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as sous EDD I am an infrared astronomer

as sous EDD I am an infrared astronomer by occupation so you might think that I

by occupation so you might think that I

by occupation so you might think that I would be talking about flips and

would be talking about flips and

would be talking about flips and astronomy for example something like

astronomy for example something like

astronomy for example something like Galileo who found that the Sun was at

Galileo who found that the Sun was at

Galileo who found that the Sun was at the center of our solar system unlike

the center of our solar system unlike

the center of our solar system unlike but the belief at the time or perhaps

but the belief at the time or perhaps

but the belief at the time or perhaps something like what Vera Rubin

something like what Vera Rubin

something like what Vera Rubin discovered she found that the stars and

discovered she found that the stars and

discovered she found that the stars and the galaxies in our universe were

the galaxies in our universe were

the galaxies in our universe were unfolded in the gravitational grip of

unfolded in the gravitational grip of

unfolded in the gravitational grip of dark matter matter that is not luminous

dark matter matter that is not luminous

dark matter matter that is not luminous like the ordinary matter we know in fact

like the ordinary matter we know in fact

like the ordinary matter we know in fact we now know today that the universe is

we now know today that the universe is

we now know today that the universe is comprised of only five percent of

comprised of only five percent of

comprised of only five percent of ordinary matter the other ninety five

ordinary matter the other ninety five

ordinary matter the other ninety five percent is partially the dark matter

percent is partially the dark matter

percent is partially the dark matter that Vera found but also something even

that Vera found but also something even

that Vera found but also something even more mysterious called dark energy this

more mysterious called dark energy this

more mysterious called dark energy this was a rather substantial change no I’m

was a rather substantial change no I’m

was a rather substantial change no I’m not going to talk about things like that

not going to talk about things like that

not going to talk about things like that even though I just did what I’m going to

even though I just did what I’m going to

even though I just did what I’m going to talk about instead our flips and

talk about instead our flips and

talk about instead our flips and definitions that have defined young

definitions that have defined young

definitions that have defined young women as they pursue careers in science

women as they pursue careers in science

women as they pursue careers in science Vera received her PhD in 1954 that was a

Vera received her PhD in 1954 that was a

Vera received her PhD in 1954 that was a time when most women did not in fact

time when most women did not in fact

time when most women did not in fact have PhDs in astronomy consequently she

have PhDs in astronomy consequently she

have PhDs in astronomy consequently she spent a lot of her time mentoring young

spent a lot of her time mentoring young

spent a lot of her time mentoring young women trying to convince them to move

women trying to convince them to move

women trying to convince them to move forward to work in astronomy or some

forward to work in astronomy or some

forward to work in astronomy or some other scientific career she was fairly

other scientific career she was fairly

other scientific career she was fairly successful except that even today a very

successful except that even today a very

successful except that even today a very small percentage of the faculty at

small percentage of the faculty at

small percentage of the faculty at universities around the u.s. are women

universities around the u.s. are women

universities around the u.s. are women let me give a personal example when I

let me give a personal example when I

let me give a personal example when I first went to the University of

first went to the University of

first went to the University of Rochester in 1971 I was the only women

Rochester in 1971 I was the only women

Rochester in 1971 I was the only women woman out of 30 in the department today

woman out of 30 in the department today

woman out of 30 in the department today % of the faculty or women an improvement

varus as I say spent a lot of time

varus as I say spent a lot of time mentoring young women and in fact there

mentoring young women and in fact there

mentoring young women and in fact there were several things she had to say about

were several things she had to say about

were several things she had to say about it one of them was worldwide half of the

it one of them was worldwide half of the

it one of them was worldwide half of the brains are in women not surprising but

brains are in women not surprising but

brains are in women not surprising but she not to be outdone a chain and

she not to be outdone a chain and

she not to be outdone a chain and ancient Chinese person said women hold

ancient Chinese person said women hold

ancient Chinese person said women hold up half the sky so I also spend time

up half the sky so I also spend time

up half the sky so I also spend time mentoring young women in our department

mentoring young women in our department

mentoring young women in our department not surprisingly and I tell them that

not surprisingly and I tell them that

not surprisingly and I tell them that it’s not unfeminine to be an astronomer

it’s not unfeminine to be an astronomer

it’s not unfeminine to be an astronomer when I after I said things like that I

when I after I said things like that I

when I after I said things like that I started thinking about what is the

started thinking about what is the

started thinking about what is the definition of to be feminine well

definition of to be feminine well

definition of to be feminine well femininity is define as the trait of

femininity is define as the trait of

femininity is define as the trait of behaving in a way that is typical of

behaving in a way that is typical of

behaving in a way that is typical of women there is so much room for

women there is so much room for

women there is so much room for interpretation and that particular

interpretation and that particular

interpretation and that particular definition I mean for example how about

definition I mean for example how about

definition I mean for example how about meet dependent submissive on assertive

meet dependent submissive on assertive

meet dependent submissive on assertive all of those things I don’t however

all of those things I don’t however

all of those things I don’t however believe that that is a reasonable way to

believe that that is a reasonable way to

believe that that is a reasonable way to look at femininity in fact I’ve always

look at femininity in fact I’ve always

look at femininity in fact I’ve always felt that women have to be assertive to

felt that women have to be assertive to

felt that women have to be assertive to get ahead in science otherwise you

get ahead in science otherwise you

get ahead in science otherwise you cannot succeed and so it’s it’s a

cannot succeed and so it’s it’s a

cannot succeed and so it’s it’s a definition that needs flipping

definition that needs flipping

definition that needs flipping definitely needs slipping now another

definitely needs slipping now another

definitely needs slipping now another thing that I started thinking of when we

thing that I started thinking of when we

thing that I started thinking of when we started talking or considering vera and

started talking or considering vera and

started talking or considering vera and her mentoring is what does how his

her mentoring is what does how his

her mentoring is what does how his mentor defined well interestingly enough

mentor defined well interestingly enough

mentor defined well interestingly enough a mentor is defined as a person who is

a mentor is defined as a person who is

a mentor is defined as a person who is experienced and trusted as an advisor

experienced and trusted as an advisor

experienced and trusted as an advisor now that’s fine that would be a

now that’s fine that would be a

now that’s fine that would be a perfectly good definition if you left it

perfectly good definition if you left it

perfectly good definition if you left it there however the example given is he

there however the example given is he

there however the example given is he was her trusted advisor until his death

was her trusted advisor until his death

was her trusted advisor until his death the implication being of course that

the implication being of course that

the implication being of course that mentors could only be male and then

mentors could only be male and then

mentors could only be male and then looking at the verb to mentor to advise

looking at the verb to mentor to advise

looking at the verb to mentor to advise or train someone especially a younger

or train someone especially a younger

or train someone especially a younger colleague well that too is open to

colleague well that too is open to

colleague well that too is open to interpretation and the rest of the time

interpretation and the rest of the time

interpretation and the rest of the time my time here I’ll be talking about how

my time here I’ll be talking about how

my time here I’ll be talking about how younger is not necessary in a mentor

younger is not necessary in a mentor

younger is not necessary in a mentor even though in this picture we have a

even though in this picture we have a

even though in this picture we have a male an older male and some younger

male an older male and some younger

male an older male and some younger folks in the image when I was a high

folks in the image when I was a high

folks in the image when I was a high school student STEM subjects were not

school student STEM subjects were not

school student STEM subjects were not very popular with my peers in fact it

very popular with my peers in fact it

very popular with my peers in fact it turned out that my boyfriend at the time

turned out that my boyfriend at the time

turned out that my boyfriend at the time who was on the football team was advised

who was on the football team was advised

who was on the football team was advised by his colleagues not to date me because

by his colleagues not to date me because

by his colleagues not to date me because they said she’s a brain now now I’m not

they said she’s a brain now now I’m not

they said she’s a brain now now I’m not sure whether they meant that was because

sure whether they meant that was because

sure whether they meant that was because I was studying STEM subjects or whether

I was studying STEM subjects or whether

I was studying STEM subjects or whether it was because I was a girl who was

it was because I was a girl who was

it was because I was a girl who was studying STEM subjects fortunately my

studying STEM subjects fortunately my

studying STEM subjects fortunately my mentor at the time my mother told me to

mentor at the time my mother told me to

mentor at the time my mother told me to ignore them they’re ignorant and that

ignore them they’re ignorant and that

ignore them they’re ignorant and that was fine when I went on to university I

was fine when I went on to university I

was fine when I went on to university I was lucky enough in my third year to

was lucky enough in my third year to

was lucky enough in my third year to work for a wonderful woman Helen Sawyer

work for a wonderful woman Helen Sawyer

work for a wonderful woman Helen Sawyer hog there’s a picture of Helen she was a

hog there’s a picture of Helen she was a

hog there’s a picture of Helen she was a wonderful astronomer a noted educator

wonderful astronomer a noted educator

wonderful astronomer a noted educator and she taught to us by example not by

and she taught to us by example not by

and she taught to us by example not by words nobody used the words self-esteem

words nobody used the words self-esteem

words nobody used the words self-esteem in those days it was just by by

in those days it was just by by

in those days it was just by by observing how things went and so I

observing how things went and so I

observing how things went and so I learned a lot and I learned that you

learned a lot and I learned that you

learned a lot and I learned that you should that you should not worry about

should that you should not worry about

should that you should not worry about such things as whether you can pursue a

such things as whether you can pursue a

such things as whether you can pursue a career in science and get married this

career in science and get married this

career in science and get married this is the sort of thing that was the

is the sort of thing that was the

is the sort of thing that was the concern of my colleagues when I was

concern of my colleagues when I was

concern of my colleagues when I was young it sounds ridiculous today but at

young it sounds ridiculous today but at

young it sounds ridiculous today but at that time that was that was the truth

that time that was that was the truth

that time that was that was the truth however we still we still have women

however we still we still have women

however we still we still have women young women who are concerned about

young women who are concerned about

young women who are concerned about their role in life they think of

their role in life they think of

their role in life they think of astronomy as a male-dominated field

astronomy as a male-dominated field

astronomy as a male-dominated field which it is and they they wondered

which it is and they they wondered

which it is and they they wondered whether they are going to be able to

whether they are going to be able to

whether they are going to be able to succeed my my experience is that we have

succeed my my experience is that we have

succeed my my experience is that we have a lot to learn from a variety of our

a lot to learn from a variety of our

a lot to learn from a variety of our mentors brought both women and the young

mentors brought both women and the young

mentors brought both women and the young and I wanted to tell you about my

and I wanted to tell you about my

and I wanted to tell you about my experience next when I went to the

experience next when I went to the

experience next when I went to the University of Rochester it turns out

University of Rochester it turns out

University of Rochester it turns out that computers started to become a very

that computers started to become a very

that computers started to become a very important part of our life in astronomy

important part of our life in astronomy

important part of our life in astronomy and today of course they dominate it but

and today of course they dominate it but

and today of course they dominate it but at the time in nineteen fifty two or

at the time in nineteen fifty two or

at the time in nineteen fifty two or three women were computers here’s an

three women were computers here’s an

three women were computers here’s an example of the women at JPL you may have

example of the women at JPL you may have

example of the women at JPL you may have seen for example the the current movie a

seen for example the the current movie a

seen for example the the current movie a hidden figures where we have women

hidden figures where we have women

hidden figures where we have women computers Helen that my mentor Helen

computers Helen that my mentor Helen

computers Helen that my mentor Helen Sawyer Hagen the next image was a human

Sawyer Hagen the next image was a human

Sawyer Hagen the next image was a human computer herself in 1929 at the Harvard

computer herself in 1929 at the Harvard

computer herself in 1929 at the Harvard College Observatory but something

College Observatory but something

College Observatory but something started happening early on when we

started happening early on when we

started happening early on when we wanted to run a program we carried a box

wanted to run a program we carried a box

wanted to run a program we carried a box of punch cards over to the mainframe

of punch cards over to the mainframe

of punch cards over to the mainframe computer in order to run our programs

computer in order to run our programs

computer in order to run our programs desktops didn’t exist laptops didn’t

desktops didn’t exist laptops didn’t

desktops didn’t exist laptops didn’t exist ipad certainly didn’t exist even

exist ipad certainly didn’t exist even

exist ipad certainly didn’t exist even handheld computers did not exist but

handheld computers did not exist but

handheld computers did not exist but they started to appear and then the

they started to appear and then the

they started to appear and then the internet appeared wonderful and then the

internet appeared wonderful and then the

internet appeared wonderful and then the first browsers appeared

first browsers appeared

first browsers appeared not anything like our current browsers

not anything like our current browsers

not anything like our current browsers but wonderful nonetheless but the thing

but wonderful nonetheless but the thing

but wonderful nonetheless but the thing that transitioned me the most was that

that transitioned me the most was that

that transitioned me the most was that the young students started arriving on

the young students started arriving on

the young students started arriving on our campuses and they had grown up with

our campuses and they had grown up with

our campuses and they had grown up with computers and they were so much more

computers and they were so much more

computers and they were so much more able than I was to be able to cope with

able than I was to be able to cope with

able than I was to be able to cope with this and so the young students became my

this and so the young students became my

this and so the young students became my mentors I mean to this day I have met

mentors I mean to this day I have met

mentors I mean to this day I have met students who are my mentors in this case

students who are my mentors in this case

students who are my mentors in this case this is a picture of my current mentor

this is a picture of my current mentor

this is a picture of my current mentor Amy Meinzer 34 years my junior she

Amy Meinzer 34 years my junior she

Amy Meinzer 34 years my junior she wasn’t even born when I arrived at the

wasn’t even born when I arrived at the

wasn’t even born when I arrived at the University of Rochester she’s holding in

University of Rochester she’s holding in

University of Rochester she’s holding in her hands two cups on the left-hand side

her hands two cups on the left-hand side

her hands two cups on the left-hand side it’s a visible image you can’t tell us

it’s a visible image you can’t tell us

it’s a visible image you can’t tell us but one is hot and one is cold well it’s

but one is hot and one is cold well it’s

but one is hot and one is cold well it’s coffee one is liquid nitrogen on the

coffee one is liquid nitrogen on the

coffee one is liquid nitrogen on the right we have we have an infrared image

right we have we have an infrared image

right we have we have an infrared image of amy i am an infrared astronomer after

of amy i am an infrared astronomer after

of amy i am an infrared astronomer after all so i have to show you that you can

all so i have to show you that you can

all so i have to show you that you can see much different things in the

see much different things in the

see much different things in the infrared and the liquid nitrogen is

infrared and the liquid nitrogen is

infrared and the liquid nitrogen is black the coffee is white and Amy’s nose

black the coffee is white and Amy’s nose

black the coffee is white and Amy’s nose is cold but amy has a lot to recommend

is cold but amy has a lot to recommend

is cold but amy has a lot to recommend her she is a brilliant young woman she

her she is a brilliant young woman she

her she is a brilliant young woman she is the principal investigator of an

is the principal investigator of an

is the principal investigator of an experiment with which I am associated in

experiment with which I am associated in

experiment with which I am associated in fact our group has developed the cameras

fact our group has developed the cameras

fact our group has developed the cameras for this mission it’s called neo Pam

for this mission it’s called neo Pam

for this mission it’s called neo Pam here’s neo cam this is a artists

here’s neo cam this is a artists

here’s neo cam this is a artists conception of what it will be the red

conception of what it will be the red

conception of what it will be the red dots you see in the picture those are

dots you see in the picture those are

dots you see in the picture those are asteroids finding asteroids be fine

asteroids finding asteroids be fine

asteroids finding asteroids be fine before they find us neo cam the

before they find us neo cam the

before they find us neo cam the experiment that Amy is the principal on

experiment that Amy is the principal on

experiment that Amy is the principal on is looking for these Neos near-earth

is looking for these Neos near-earth

is looking for these Neos near-earth objects that have been diverted from

objects that have been diverted from

objects that have been diverted from their normal orbits between Mars and

their normal orbits between Mars and

their normal orbits between Mars and Jupiter into orbits that cross the earth

Jupiter into orbits that cross the earth

Jupiter into orbits that cross the earth orbit and that

orbit and that

orbit and that the case they might hit us that’s not a

the case they might hit us that’s not a

the case they might hit us that’s not a good thing the dinosaurs for example

good thing the dinosaurs for example

good thing the dinosaurs for example became extinct because of a very large

became extinct because of a very large

became extinct because of a very large near-earth object a long time ago neo

near-earth object a long time ago neo

near-earth object a long time ago neo chem should be able to find most of the

chem should be able to find most of the

chem should be able to find most of the meals that are a hundred and forty

meals that are a hundred and forty

meals that are a hundred and forty meters in size and larger but let me put

meters in size and larger but let me put

meters in size and larger but let me put that into perspective a hundred and

that into perspective a hundred and

that into perspective a hundred and forty meters would demolish New York

forty meters would demolish New York

forty meters would demolish New York City I mean for example and it will see

City I mean for example and it will see

City I mean for example and it will see smaller ones as well but we don’t even

smaller ones as well but we don’t even

smaller ones as well but we don’t even know about 140 meter ones today much

know about 140 meter ones today much

know about 140 meter ones today much less the smaller ones occasionally as in

less the smaller ones occasionally as in

less the smaller ones occasionally as in the next slide you’ll see the

the next slide you’ll see the

the next slide you’ll see the Chelyabinsk meter hurtling through the

Chelyabinsk meter hurtling through the

Chelyabinsk meter hurtling through the sky unexpectedly we didn’t know it was

sky unexpectedly we didn’t know it was

sky unexpectedly we didn’t know it was going to even impact it caused some

going to even impact it caused some

going to even impact it caused some destruction in the sense that it broke

destruction in the sense that it broke

destruction in the sense that it broke windows and a few people were injured

windows and a few people were injured

windows and a few people were injured but nobody died and so that was a good

but nobody died and so that was a good

but nobody died and so that was a good thing we have to be able to find these

thing we have to be able to find these

thing we have to be able to find these things so that NASA can divert them and

things so that NASA can divert them and

things so that NASA can divert them and you have to know where they are in order

you have to know where they are in order

you have to know where they are in order to be able to divert them you have to

to be able to divert them you have to

to be able to divert them you have to have good orbits for them that’s what

have good orbits for them that’s what

have good orbits for them that’s what Neil cam is all about amy has complete

Neil cam is all about amy has complete

Neil cam is all about amy has complete command of all of the details not only

command of all of the details not only

command of all of the details not only the asteroid science but also the launch

the asteroid science but also the launch

the asteroid science but also the launch vehicle the detector arrays that are in

vehicle the detector arrays that are in

vehicle the detector arrays that are in the cameras the optics everything she is

the cameras the optics everything she is

the cameras the optics everything she is a wonderful mentor to me so as you can

a wonderful mentor to me so as you can

a wonderful mentor to me so as you can tell I’m not exactly the youngest

tell I’m not exactly the youngest

tell I’m not exactly the youngest speaker today and the fact is that it

speaker today and the fact is that it

speaker today and the fact is that it might be just because my mint mentors of

might be just because my mint mentors of

might be just because my mint mentors of my youth have been dead for some years

my youth have been dead for some years

my youth have been dead for some years that I may think now that you can learn

that I may think now that you can learn

that I may think now that you can learn from the young but I don’t believe

from the young but I don’t believe

from the young but I don’t believe that’s the case I believe we all have

that’s the case I believe we all have

that’s the case I believe we all have something to learn from the young for

something to learn from the young for

something to learn from the young for example I have five granddaughters

example I have five granddaughters

example I have five granddaughters ranging in age from 19 to 32 they teach

ranging in age from 19 to 32 they teach

ranging in age from 19 to 32 they teach me a lot mainly because their life

me a lot mainly because their life

me a lot mainly because their life experiences have been so different from

experiences have been so different from

experiences have been so different from mine

mine

mine for example they teach me about changed

for example they teach me about changed

for example they teach me about changed concepts of marriage of raising children

concepts of marriage of raising children

concepts of marriage of raising children that gender need not be biological that

that gender need not be biological that

that gender need not be biological that the workforce may be virtual they have

the workforce may be virtual they have

the workforce may be virtual they have many things to teach me as my youngest

many things to teach me as my youngest

many things to teach me as my youngest my oldest granddaughter the 32 year old

my oldest granddaughter the 32 year old

my oldest granddaughter the 32 year old said to me when she read an early

said to me when she read an early

said to me when she read an early version of this talk we all benefit if

version of this talk we all benefit if

version of this talk we all benefit if we’re open to learning from whoever the

we’re open to learning from whoever the

we’re open to learning from whoever the sources and so she was thinking of

sources and so she was thinking of

sources and so she was thinking of whether you’re young or whether you’re

whether you’re young or whether you’re

whether you’re young or whether you’re old that’s entirely correct miranda is

old that’s entirely correct miranda is

old that’s entirely correct miranda is right and so I just want to leave her

right and so I just want to leave her

right and so I just want to leave her generation with the idea that femininity

generation with the idea that femininity

generation with the idea that femininity is not impaired by be pursuing your

is not impaired by be pursuing your

is not impaired by be pursuing your goals being a scientist that’s one thing

goals being a scientist that’s one thing

goals being a scientist that’s one thing the second thing is your mentors need

the second thing is your mentors need

the second thing is your mentors need not be male they need not be old they

not be male they need not be old they

not be male they need not be old they can be young and it’s my responsibility

can be young and it’s my responsibility

can be young and it’s my responsibility as a member of my generation to make

as a member of my generation to make

as a member of my generation to make sure that these outmoded definitions are

sure that these outmoded definitions are

sure that these outmoded definitions are flipped thank you

flipped thank you

flipped thank you [Applause]

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