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imagine for a moment that you are

imagine for a moment that you are approaching a building this building has

approaching a building this building has

approaching a building this building has Corinthian columns rising 15 meters into

Corinthian columns rising 15 meters into

Corinthian columns rising 15 meters into the sky each of these columns is topped

the sky each of these columns is topped

the sky each of these columns is topped by winding ornate acanthus leaves

by winding ornate acanthus leaves

by winding ornate acanthus leaves unusually you approach the entrance on a

unusually you approach the entrance on a

unusually you approach the entrance on a long side of this rectangular building

long side of this rectangular building

long side of this rectangular building you see that the strong Desert Sun has

you see that the strong Desert Sun has

you see that the strong Desert Sun has turned the formerly white limestone into

turned the formerly white limestone into

turned the formerly white limestone into a rich golden yellow color to your right

a rich golden yellow color to your right

a rich golden yellow color to your right and to your left there’s an altar you

and to your left there’s an altar you

and to your left there’s an altar you look closely and you see some carved

look closely and you see some carved

look closely and you see some carved artwork it’s Arab an origin but

artwork it’s Arab an origin but

artwork it’s Arab an origin but greco-roman in an Egyptian as well in

greco-roman in an Egyptian as well in

greco-roman in an Egyptian as well in influence standing in front of this

influence standing in front of this

influence standing in front of this temple in 1902 Gertrude Bell a renowned

temple in 1902 Gertrude Bell a renowned

temple in 1902 Gertrude Bell a renowned traveler and poetry translator said that

traveler and poetry translator said that

traveler and poetry translator said that with the exception of Petra this was the

with the exception of Petra this was the

with the exception of Petra this was the most beautiful place she had ever been

most beautiful place she had ever been

most beautiful place she had ever been this as she’d photographed it in 1902 is

this as she’d photographed it in 1902 is

this as she’d photographed it in 1902 is the temple of bel in Palmyra Syria it

the temple of bel in Palmyra Syria it

the temple of bel in Palmyra Syria it stood since 32 ad if you want to visit

stood since 32 ad if you want to visit

stood since 32 ad if you want to visit it I’m afraid that’s no longer possible

it I’m afraid that’s no longer possible

it I’m afraid that’s no longer possible it was razed to the ground in August

it was razed to the ground in August

it was razed to the ground in August 2015

2015

2015 by Isis I have long wanted to visit long

by Isis I have long wanted to visit long

by Isis I have long wanted to visit long before I became a historian long before

before I became a historian long before

before I became a historian long before I took an art history course which

I took an art history course which

I took an art history course which introduced me to another way to tell

introduced me to another way to tell

introduced me to another way to tell time

time

time in fact my fascination with historical

in fact my fascination with historical

in fact my fascination with historical monuments and historical architecture

monuments and historical architecture

monuments and historical architecture goes back far longer than that I still

goes back far longer than that I still

goes back far longer than that I still work all being a child being glued to

work all being a child being glued to

work all being a child being glued to the television watching documentary

the television watching documentary

the television watching documentary films that looked at Egyptian pyramids

films that looked at Egyptian pyramids

films that looked at Egyptian pyramids that still held secrets or Sumerian

that still held secrets or Sumerian

that still held secrets or Sumerian tombs that were still sealed shut and

tombs that were still sealed shut and

tombs that were still sealed shut and the technologies that we were developing

the technologies that we were developing

the technologies that we were developing to gather more and more insights about

to gather more and more insights about

to gather more and more insights about how people lived in the past to me the

how people lived in the past to me the

how people lived in the past to me the idea that these ancient monuments that

idea that these ancient monuments that

idea that these ancient monuments that these artifacts continued to exist that

these artifacts continued to exist that

these artifacts continued to exist that they were out there for us to see was

they were out there for us to see was

they were out there for us to see was nothing short of a miracle away in fact

nothing short of a miracle away in fact

nothing short of a miracle away in fact to time travel

to time travel

to time travel during times of upheaval during times of

during times of upheaval during times of

during times of upheaval during times of revolution particular groups have made a

revolution particular groups have made a

revolution particular groups have made a point sometimes protracted point of

point sometimes protracted point of

point sometimes protracted point of deliberately destroying these particular

deliberately destroying these particular

deliberately destroying these particular cultural artifacts and these particular

cultural artifacts and these particular

cultural artifacts and these particular historical monuments so I’m not speaking

historical monuments so I’m not speaking

historical monuments so I’m not speaking of collateral damage in this case I’m

of collateral damage in this case I’m

of collateral damage in this case I’m speaking of the systemic deliberate and

speaking of the systemic deliberate and

speaking of the systemic deliberate and targeted destruction of these particular

targeted destruction of these particular

targeted destruction of these particular artifacts in this kind of destruction

artifacts in this kind of destruction

artifacts in this kind of destruction what we’re really seeing is the breaking

what we’re really seeing is the breaking

what we’re really seeing is the breaking of that tactile experience shell link

of that tactile experience shell link

of that tactile experience shell link that we can have with the past our

that we can have with the past our

that we can have with the past our ability to see it to come close to it to

ability to see it to come close to it to

ability to see it to come close to it to potentially touch it and for some of us

potentially touch it and for some of us

potentially touch it and for some of us to interpret it this kind of destruction

to interpret it this kind of destruction

to interpret it this kind of destruction I believe has a parallel disruption

I believe has a parallel disruption

I believe has a parallel disruption which is more insidious the destruction

which is more insidious the destruction

which is more insidious the destruction of cultural memory and thereby of

of cultural memory and thereby of

of cultural memory and thereby of cultural identity why does this matter

cultural identity why does this matter

cultural identity why does this matter it matters because when these historical

it matters because when these historical

it matters because when these historical objects are destroyed it makes it harder

objects are destroyed it makes it harder

objects are destroyed it makes it harder to assess and reassess history it makes

to assess and reassess history it makes

to assess and reassess history it makes it harder for us to be able to

it harder for us to be able to

it harder for us to be able to understand the place of these monuments

understand the place of these monuments

understand the place of these monuments for us to experience them directly what

for us to experience them directly what

for us to experience them directly what can we do about this I think in the

can we do about this I think in the

can we do about this I think in the first instance it’s really important for

first instance it’s really important for

first instance it’s really important for us to develop a stronger case for why we

us to develop a stronger case for why we

us to develop a stronger case for why we should preserve these monuments I think

should preserve these monuments I think

should preserve these monuments I think intuitively you know we think we like to

intuitively you know we think we like to

intuitively you know we think we like to have these objects around to me this is

have these objects around to me this is

have these objects around to me this is fundamental we do don’t we we

fundamental we do don’t we we

fundamental we do don’t we we intuitively think would be nice to keep

intuitively think would be nice to keep

intuitively think would be nice to keep these objects round it would be nice to

these objects round it would be nice to

these objects round it would be nice to have museums but I think that we should

have museums but I think that we should

have museums but I think that we should make a case a stronger case for

make a case a stronger case for

make a case a stronger case for defending and preserving these historic

defending and preserving these historic

defending and preserving these historic monuments and we should be very aware at

monuments and we should be very aware at

monuments and we should be very aware at attempts at destroying things in

attempts at destroying things in

attempts at destroying things in parallel to the destruction of buildings

parallel to the destruction of buildings

parallel to the destruction of buildings themselves because ultimately what’s

themselves because ultimately what’s

themselves because ultimately what’s being destroyed it’s not just buildings

being destroyed it’s not just buildings

being destroyed it’s not just buildings it’s collective memory it’s a

it’s collective memory it’s a

it’s collective memory it’s a multiplicity of approaches it’s the

multiplicity of approaches it’s the

multiplicity of approaches it’s the right of access to objects and the

right of access to objects and the

right of access to objects and the identities that it unlocks that it

identities that it unlocks that it

identities that it unlocks that it validates that it explains

in August of 1992 during the siege of

in August of 1992 during the siege of Sarajevo the National Library was bombed

Sarajevo the National Library was bombed

Sarajevo the National Library was bombed this library had held rare manuscripts

this library had held rare manuscripts

this library had held rare manuscripts rare volumes that detailed the

rare volumes that detailed the

rare volumes that detailed the flourishing of a multicultural life of

flourishing of a multicultural life of

flourishing of a multicultural life of the region under the ottoman and

the region under the ottoman and

the region under the ottoman and austro-hungarian empires foreign

austro-hungarian empires foreign

austro-hungarian empires foreign journalists who were watching this

journalists who were watching this

journalists who were watching this destruction happen in front of them had

destruction happen in front of them had

destruction happen in front of them had reported that the library’s main Reading

reported that the library’s main Reading

reported that the library’s main Reading Room had these thin moorish columns

Room had these thin moorish columns

Room had these thin moorish columns which could not take the intense heat

which could not take the intense heat

which could not take the intense heat and exploded and that sections of the

and exploded and that sections of the

and exploded and that sections of the roof fell through the ceiling three

roof fell through the ceiling three

roof fell through the ceiling three months prior to this bombing Sarajevo’s

months prior to this bombing Sarajevo’s

months prior to this bombing Sarajevo’s Oriental Institute which held the

Oriental Institute which held the

Oriental Institute which held the country’s largest collection of Islamic

country’s largest collection of Islamic

country’s largest collection of Islamic and Ottoman texts likewise had been

and Ottoman texts likewise had been

and Ottoman texts likewise had been targeted for destruction in both of

targeted for destruction in both of

targeted for destruction in both of these instances and in several more

these instances and in several more

these instances and in several more across Bosnia around this time the

across Bosnia around this time the

across Bosnia around this time the targeting was deliberate the buildings

targeting was deliberate the buildings

targeting was deliberate the buildings on either side were untouched

on either side were untouched

on either side were untouched so in this destruction of of archives of

so in this destruction of of archives of

so in this destruction of of archives of libraries of cultural institutions and

libraries of cultural institutions and

libraries of cultural institutions and therefore all of these documents it

therefore all of these documents it

therefore all of these documents it seemed to be about breaking that

seemed to be about breaking that

seemed to be about breaking that material link that we have that

material link that we have that

material link that we have that experience all link of looking at

experience all link of looking at

experience all link of looking at documents of looking at books of looking

documents of looking at books of looking

documents of looking at books of looking at works of art that can show a future

at works of art that can show a future

at works of art that can show a future generation that in fact people of

generation that in fact people of

generation that in fact people of different ethnic backgrounds people of

different ethnic backgrounds people of

different ethnic backgrounds people of different religious traditions had once

different religious traditions had once

different religious traditions had once shared a common ancestry in this

shared a common ancestry in this

shared a common ancestry in this particular region people had volunteered

particular region people had volunteered

particular region people had volunteered along with the librarians to form a

along with the librarians to form a

along with the librarians to form a human chain while the library was

human chain while the library was

human chain while the library was burning to get some of these manuscripts

burning to get some of these manuscripts

burning to get some of these manuscripts to safety when one of the when one of

to safety when one of the when one of

to safety when one of the when one of the volunteers was asked why he was

the volunteers was asked why he was

the volunteers was asked why he was risking his life he said pointing to the

risking his life he said pointing to the

risking his life he said pointing to the library or heritage our national

library or heritage our national

library or heritage our national identity is there when the chief fire

identity is there when the chief fire

identity is there when the chief fire brigade was asked why he was risking his

brigade was asked why he was risking his

brigade was asked why he was risking his life he said because I was born here and

life he said because I was born here and

life he said because I was born here and now they are burning a part of me

now they are burning a part of me

now they are burning a part of me in 2002 in a report to UNESCO the

in 2002 in a report to UNESCO the

in 2002 in a report to UNESCO the library director took pains to explain

library director took pains to explain

library director took pains to explain that the reconstruction of this building

that the reconstruction of this building

that the reconstruction of this building was at the same time the reconstruction

was at the same time the reconstruction

was at the same time the reconstruction of memory from April of 2012 to

of memory from April of 2012 to

of memory from April of 2012 to September of 2013

September of 2013

September of 2013 members of Ansar Dean destroyed most of

members of Ansar Dean destroyed most of

members of Ansar Dean destroyed most of Molly’s mausoleums and shrines in a

Molly’s mausoleums and shrines in a

Molly’s mausoleums and shrines in a landmark ruling the International

landmark ruling the International

landmark ruling the International Criminal Court found formal several

Criminal Court found formal several

Criminal Court found formal several servant Ahmadi guilty of warm of war

servant Ahmadi guilty of warm of war

servant Ahmadi guilty of warm of war crimes in a case that was solely focused

crimes in a case that was solely focused

crimes in a case that was solely focused on cultural destruction in recorded

on cultural destruction in recorded

on cultural destruction in recorded videos Almaty had said we must remove

videos Almaty had said we must remove

videos Almaty had said we must remove from the landscape everything which does

from the landscape everything which does

from the landscape everything which does not belong but to answer dean members it

not belong but to answer dean members it

not belong but to answer dean members it was not merely the the ancient

was not merely the the ancient

was not merely the the ancient mausoleums and shrines which did not

mausoleums and shrines which did not

mausoleums and shrines which did not belong which they found idolatrous it

belong which they found idolatrous it

belong which they found idolatrous it was the activities that took place

was the activities that took place

was the activities that took place alongside them for prior to their

alongside them for prior to their

alongside them for prior to their destruction these sites had been used by

destruction these sites had been used by

destruction these sites had been used by members of the community for a number of

members of the community for a number of

members of the community for a number of diverse religious and diverse cultural

diverse religious and diverse cultural

diverse religious and diverse cultural ceremonies so for instance they held

ceremonies so for instance they held

ceremonies so for instance they held music festivals there they’re held oral

music festivals there they’re held oral

music festivals there they’re held oral literature festivals but they were also

literature festivals but they were also

literature festivals but they were also the sites of community conflict

the sites of community conflict

the sites of community conflict resolution in community building these

resolution in community building these

resolution in community building these shrines were built in the 15th and 16th

shrines were built in the 15th and 16th

shrines were built in the 15th and 16th century when Timbuktu was in fact the

century when Timbuktu was in fact the

century when Timbuktu was in fact the the center of this particular region it

the center of this particular region it

the center of this particular region it was the center economically of the

was the center economically of the

was the center economically of the center intellectually and it was the

center intellectually and it was the

center intellectually and it was the center spiritually in current day

center spiritually in current day

center spiritually in current day molly’s diversity you know comes from

molly’s diversity you know comes from

molly’s diversity you know comes from this culmination of years of

this culmination of years of

this culmination of years of interweaving of different groups in that

interweaving of different groups in that

interweaving of different groups in that area in August 2015

area in August 2015

area in August 2015 Isis completed the destruction of the

Isis completed the destruction of the

Isis completed the destruction of the temple of bel which they had started two

temple of bel which they had started two

temple of bel which they had started two years prior until its destruction it was

years prior until its destruction it was

years prior until its destruction it was one of the most complete structures to

one of the most complete structures to

one of the most complete structures to have survived from this time the temple

have survived from this time the temple

have survived from this time the temple was consecrated in 32 AD and it was a

was consecrated in 32 AD and it was a

was consecrated in 32 AD and it was a long a major trade route

long a major trade route

long a major trade route and as a result of this the area grew

and as a result of this the area grew

and as a result of this the area grew prosperous and it was also heavily

prosperous and it was also heavily

prosperous and it was also heavily influenced by the cultures east and west

influenced by the cultures east and west

influenced by the cultures east and west of it in the architectural heritage in

of it in the architectural heritage in

of it in the architectural heritage in the temple of bow we have evidence of

the temple of bow we have evidence of

the temple of bow we have evidence of cultures coming together creatively

cultures coming together creatively

cultures coming together creatively through the passage of time with the the

through the passage of time with the the

through the passage of time with the the rise of Christianity the temple became

rise of Christianity the temple became

rise of Christianity the temple became converted to a Byzantine church and then

converted to a Byzantine church and then

converted to a Byzantine church and then with the coming of Islam it became a

with the coming of Islam it became a

with the coming of Islam it became a mosque in the early 1900’s the the site

mosque in the early 1900’s the the site

mosque in the early 1900’s the the site of ancient Palmyra had long been in

of ancient Palmyra had long been in

of ancient Palmyra had long been in ruins but in fact it was still being

ruins but in fact it was still being

ruins but in fact it was still being used it was still being inhabited in

used it was still being inhabited in

used it was still being inhabited in parts so the the surrounding areas were

parts so the the surrounding areas were

parts so the the surrounding areas were used as shelter by nomads and herders

used as shelter by nomads and herders

used as shelter by nomads and herders and the temple itself had a little

and the temple itself had a little

and the temple itself had a little thriving village in it a microcosm a

thriving village in it a microcosm a

thriving village in it a microcosm a tribute in fact to the different groups

tribute in fact to the different groups

tribute in fact to the different groups that had traded together that I’d live

that had traded together that I’d live

that had traded together that I’d live together harmoniously for large periods

together harmoniously for large periods

together harmoniously for large periods of time prior a number of social

of time prior a number of social

of time prior a number of social psychologists now argue that identities

psychologists now argue that identities

psychologists now argue that identities are not composed of narratives and

are not composed of narratives and

are not composed of narratives and stories but in fact identities are

stories but in fact identities are

stories but in fact identities are narratives and stories so where do these

narratives and stories so where do these

narratives and stories so where do these stories come from how do we believe the

stories come from how do we believe the

stories come from how do we believe the things we believe about ourselves and

things we believe about ourselves and

things we believe about ourselves and our past so this is a complicated

our past so this is a complicated

our past so this is a complicated question but at least part of the answer

question but at least part of the answer

question but at least part of the answer is found in first-hand experiences so

is found in first-hand experiences so

is found in first-hand experiences so educational psychologists will tell you

educational psychologists will tell you

educational psychologists will tell you that first-hand experience is better

that first-hand experience is better

that first-hand experience is better than second because that experiential

than second because that experiential

than second because that experiential learning can fundamentally shift your

learning can fundamentally shift your

learning can fundamentally shift your mindset so what happens then in the

mindset so what happens then in the

mindset so what happens then in the absence of these first-hand experiences

absence of these first-hand experiences

absence of these first-hand experiences or the absence of what historians call

or the absence of what historians call

or the absence of what historians call primary sources that the base material

primary sources that the base material

primary sources that the base material for which we’ve we understand in

for which we’ve we understand in

for which we’ve we understand in interpret history we all know that

interpret history we all know that

interpret history we all know that there’s a distance between what we are

there’s a distance between what we are

there’s a distance between what we are told and what we believe but in fact you

told and what we believe but in fact you

told and what we believe but in fact you can shorten this distance you can even

can shorten this distance you can even

can shorten this distance you can even overcome this distance with well-crafted

overcome this distance with well-crafted

overcome this distance with well-crafted well-constructed even if

well-constructed even if

well-constructed even if not necessarily always well-meaning

not necessarily always well-meaning

not necessarily always well-meaning narratives researchers at the University

narratives researchers at the University

narratives researchers at the University of Waterloo found that narratives were

of Waterloo found that narratives were

of Waterloo found that narratives were particularly effective at overcoming

particularly effective at overcoming

particularly effective at overcoming strong resistance to persuasion and that

strong resistance to persuasion and that

strong resistance to persuasion and that a couple of reasons that they found for

a couple of reasons that they found for

a couple of reasons that they found for that one of these reasons was that

that one of these reasons was that

that one of these reasons was that people don’t expect narratives to shift

people don’t expect narratives to shift

people don’t expect narratives to shift their beliefs they don’t expect

their beliefs they don’t expect

their beliefs they don’t expect narratives to challenge the things that

narratives to challenge the things that

narratives to challenge the things that they believe and their attitudes and so

they believe and their attitudes and so

they believe and their attitudes and so therefore their resistance to what a

therefore their resistance to what a

therefore their resistance to what a narrative brought to them was lower

narrative brought to them was lower

narrative brought to them was lower secondly narratives inspired a kind of

secondly narratives inspired a kind of

secondly narratives inspired a kind of close attention to detail in listening

close attention to detail in listening

close attention to detail in listening for how the story proceeds

for how the story proceeds

for how the story proceeds that’s not inspired by say rhetoric or

that’s not inspired by say rhetoric or

that’s not inspired by say rhetoric or direct targeted messages which we tend

direct targeted messages which we tend

direct targeted messages which we tend to ignore if it doesn’t line up with our

to ignore if it doesn’t line up with our

to ignore if it doesn’t line up with our previously held attitudes or previous

previously held attitudes or previous

previously held attitudes or previous experiences but the researchers

experiences but the researchers

experiences but the researchers concluded that these narratives were

concluded that these narratives were

concluded that these narratives were particularly good at conveying

particularly good at conveying

particularly good at conveying under-the-radar

under-the-radar

under-the-radar certain messages so for instance you can

certain messages so for instance you can

certain messages so for instance you can think of any number of advertising and

think of any number of advertising and

think of any number of advertising and marketing campaigns now that use a

marketing campaigns now that use a

marketing campaigns now that use a social media story to envelop you so

social media story to envelop you so

social media story to envelop you so further to this psychologists Alice idli

further to this psychologists Alice idli

further to this psychologists Alice idli and Shelley chagan also demonstrated

and Shelley chagan also demonstrated

and Shelley chagan also demonstrated that the timing and the delivery of a

that the timing and the delivery of a

that the timing and the delivery of a message is particularly crucial to how

message is particularly crucial to how

message is particularly crucial to how we accept it and to whether or not we

we accept it and to whether or not we

we accept it and to whether or not we believe it they discovered that when the

believe it they discovered that when the

believe it they discovered that when the timing in the delivery of a message is

timing in the delivery of a message is

timing in the delivery of a message is forced that you’re more likely to be

forced that you’re more likely to be

forced that you’re more likely to be persuaded by it then if you have a

persuaded by it then if you have a

persuaded by it then if you have a message which are exposed to in a

message which are exposed to in a

message which are exposed to in a self-paced way that is to say if you

self-paced way that is to say if you

self-paced way that is to say if you have time to think about the message if

have time to think about the message if

have time to think about the message if you have time to reflect on it and have

you have time to reflect on it and have

you have time to reflect on it and have that space for critical thinking in

that space for critical thinking in

that space for critical thinking in relation to what you’re what you’re

relation to what you’re what you’re

relation to what you’re what you’re actually listening to or being exposed

actually listening to or being exposed

actually listening to or being exposed to so what is the purpose of history in

to so what is the purpose of history in

to so what is the purpose of history in light of all of this a rich and complex

light of all of this a rich and complex

light of all of this a rich and complex history is a bulwark and a threat to

history is a bulwark and a threat to

history is a bulwark and a threat to simple one-dimensional particularly

simple one-dimensional particularly

simple one-dimensional particularly motivated but potentially nevertheless

motivated but potentially nevertheless

motivated but potentially nevertheless convincing narratives about the path

convincing narratives about the path

convincing narratives about the path a few years ago I was at a history

a few years ago I was at a history

a few years ago I was at a history conference and I heard historian and

conference and I heard historian and

conference and I heard historian and journalist Timothy Garton ash make the

journalist Timothy Garton ash make the

journalist Timothy Garton ash make the case that historians and non historians

case that historians and non historians

case that historians and non historians alike ought to defend the frontier of

alike ought to defend the frontier of

alike ought to defend the frontier of fact despite the inherent complexity and

fact despite the inherent complexity and

fact despite the inherent complexity and subjectivity of studying identity and

subjectivity of studying identity and

subjectivity of studying identity and memory we must still be clear about what

memory we must still be clear about what

memory we must still be clear about what the base facts the primary sources the

the base facts the primary sources the

the base facts the primary sources the raw material on which we build these

raw material on which we build these

raw material on which we build these stories and narratives are it seems to

stories and narratives are it seems to

stories and narratives are it seems to me it’s precisely because of this

me it’s precisely because of this

me it’s precisely because of this complex interweaving of memory of

complex interweaving of memory of

complex interweaving of memory of identity of history of

identity of history of

identity of history of self-identification that we must defend

self-identification that we must defend

self-identification that we must defend the right of the past to speak to us and

the right of the past to speak to us and

the right of the past to speak to us and to future generations directly our

to future generations directly our

to future generations directly our resultant interpretations may not always

resultant interpretations may not always

resultant interpretations may not always be equally valid or equally compelling

be equally valid or equally compelling

be equally valid or equally compelling but we must guard against the erasure of

but we must guard against the erasure of

but we must guard against the erasure of these objects when in doing so that

these objects when in doing so that

these objects when in doing so that erasure might attempt to limit us to one

erasure might attempt to limit us to one

erasure might attempt to limit us to one or a few interpretations so in defense

or a few interpretations so in defense

or a few interpretations so in defense in defending historical objects we are

in defending historical objects we are

in defending historical objects we are allowing a multiplicity of

allowing a multiplicity of

allowing a multiplicity of interpretations a multiplicity of

interpretations a multiplicity of

interpretations a multiplicity of meanings even ones that we don’t like or

meanings even ones that we don’t like or

meanings even ones that we don’t like or that we don’t agree with to flourish in

that we don’t agree with to flourish in

that we don’t agree with to flourish in ensuring that the objects of inquiry

ensuring that the objects of inquiry

ensuring that the objects of inquiry themselves remain thank you

themselves remain thank you

themselves remain thank you [Applause]

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