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so just imagine you have shoes you don’t

so just imagine you have shoes you don’t like and you just eat them and even more

like and you just eat them and even more

like and you just eat them and even more imagination you take the same material

imagination you take the same material

imagination you take the same material used to make the shoe off and you repair

used to make the shoe off and you repair

used to make the shoe off and you repair your heart after a heart attack that

your heart after a heart attack that

your heart after a heart attack that sounds like superhero powers doesn’t it

sounds like superhero powers doesn’t it

sounds like superhero powers doesn’t it well if we have a clear look what we use

well if we have a clear look what we use

well if we have a clear look what we use nowadays in materials like shoes in maps

nowadays in materials like shoes in maps

nowadays in materials like shoes in maps tech applications in our cars in our

tech applications in our cars in our

tech applications in our cars in our everyday life we use a lot of plastics

everyday life we use a lot of plastics

everyday life we use a lot of plastics wouldn’t it be cool like spider-man

wouldn’t it be cool like spider-man

wouldn’t it be cool like spider-man energy just shoot out the web with one

energy just shoot out the web with one

energy just shoot out the web with one shot out of your forearm and since you

shot out of your forearm and since you

shot out of your forearm and since you know to hold up a full speed train and

know to hold up a full speed train and

know to hold up a full speed train and save lives it’s fascinating and actually

save lives it’s fascinating and actually

save lives it’s fascinating and actually the material is fascinating the shooting

the material is fascinating the shooting

the material is fascinating the shooting well it can be bet on that because that

well it can be bet on that because that

well it can be bet on that because that doesn’t work scientifically but the

doesn’t work scientifically but the

doesn’t work scientifically but the material is cool so the question is can

material is cool so the question is can

material is cool so the question is can we use that type of material can we use

we use that type of material can we use

we use that type of material can we use Spiderman technology to actually replace

Spiderman technology to actually replace

Spiderman technology to actually replace fibers made of plastics other type of

fibers made of plastics other type of

fibers made of plastics other type of materials made of plastics and have this

materials made of plastics and have this

materials made of plastics and have this vision or is this nonsense well why is

vision or is this nonsense well why is

vision or is this nonsense well why is this maybe not a so bad question well if

this maybe not a so bad question well if

this maybe not a so bad question well if we just continue producing plastics as

we just continue producing plastics as

we just continue producing plastics as we do now a day and this is taken from

we do now a day and this is taken from

we do now a day and this is taken from the Mackenzies for world economy forum

the Mackenzies for world economy forum

the Mackenzies for world economy forum this year we will triple the amount of

this year we will triple the amount of

this year we will triple the amount of plastic production by the year of 2050

plastic production by the year of 2050

plastic production by the year of 2050 and by that we of course increase the

and by that we of course increase the

and by that we of course increase the waste of plastics and you probably aware

waste of plastics and you probably aware

waste of plastics and you probably aware of that the waste ends up in the oceans

of that the waste ends up in the oceans

of that the waste ends up in the oceans and just look at the chart what you will

and just look at the chart what you will

and just look at the chart what you will see is that by 2050 we will have more

see is that by 2050 we will have more

see is that by 2050 we will have more plastics in the ocean than fish and I

plastics in the ocean than fish and I

plastics in the ocean than fish and I think this is really

think this is really

think this is really one thing to think about can we actually

one thing to think about can we actually

one thing to think about can we actually reduce that amount of material by

reduce that amount of material by

reduce that amount of material by something that is fully degradable

something that is fully degradable

something that is fully degradable something that you can eat can I drink

something that you can eat can I drink

something that you can eat can I drink out of a bottle that I wear tomorrow as

out of a bottle that I wear tomorrow as

out of a bottle that I wear tomorrow as a shirt and maybe next day I eat the

a shirt and maybe next day I eat the

a shirt and maybe next day I eat the shirt that would be cool wouldn’t be so

shirt that would be cool wouldn’t be so

shirt that would be cool wouldn’t be so we need obviously new materials and if

we need obviously new materials and if

we need obviously new materials and if we just look back what happened in the

we just look back what happened in the

we just look back what happened in the last one or two centuries well there was

last one or two centuries well there was

last one or two centuries well there was a lot of innovation concerning fibrous

a lot of innovation concerning fibrous

a lot of innovation concerning fibrous materials in the 19th century where we

materials in the 19th century where we

materials in the 19th century where we get denim where we get at the cool stuff

get denim where we get at the cool stuff

get denim where we get at the cool stuff which is based on natural ground

which is based on natural ground

which is based on natural ground materials but then there was a big gap

materials but then there was a big gap

materials but then there was a big gap of innovation and it restarted in the

of innovation and it restarted in the

of innovation and it restarted in the 1930s with chemistry arising and we got

1930s with chemistry arising and we got

1930s with chemistry arising and we got a lot of new chemical fibers starting

a lot of new chemical fibers starting

a lot of new chemical fibers starting with nylon and many people here in this

with nylon and many people here in this

with nylon and many people here in this room will have nylon based textiles and

room will have nylon based textiles and

room will have nylon based textiles and it even continued so they found new

it even continued so they found new

it even continued so they found new better fibers and there was the

better fibers and there was the

better fibers and there was the development of Kevlar a high performance

development of Kevlar a high performance

development of Kevlar a high performance fiber you can use for instance for

fiber you can use for instance for

fiber you can use for instance for bulletproof and vests but this is

bulletproof and vests but this is

bulletproof and vests but this is already more than 40 years ago

already more than 40 years ago

already more than 40 years ago since then we really have no new

since then we really have no new

since then we really have no new innovative fiber and the big point there

innovative fiber and the big point there

innovative fiber and the big point there is that we really need this kind of new

is that we really need this kind of new

is that we really need this kind of new super type materials that at the same

super type materials that at the same

super type materials that at the same time are fully biocompatible and

time are fully biocompatible and

time are fully biocompatible and biodegradable so how about just taking a

biodegradable so how about just taking a

biodegradable so how about just taking a spider’s web and it’s as simple as that

spider’s web and it’s as simple as that

spider’s web and it’s as simple as that you take a record and you wrap it around

you take a record and you wrap it around

you take a record and you wrap it around one or two webs and you get a really

one or two webs and you get a really

one or two webs and you get a really strong thing to play with so don’t be

strong thing to play with so don’t be

strong thing to play with so don’t be afraid it works

you see it’s a tiny little bump here it

you see it’s a tiny little bump here it will be gone by the end of this talk

will be gone by the end of this talk

will be gone by the end of this talk because this material has shape memory

because this material has shape memory

because this material has shape memory it can actually get back to its original

it can actually get back to its original

it can actually get back to its original state it’s mechanically strong I can

state it’s mechanically strong I can

state it’s mechanically strong I can clash it with my hand I mean it has to

clash it with my hand I mean it has to

clash it with my hand I mean it has to withstand the impact of an in flying

withstand the impact of an in flying

withstand the impact of an in flying so despite that it makes this kind of

so despite that it makes this kind of

so despite that it makes this kind of web it even can catch birds in full

web it even can catch birds in full

web it even can catch birds in full flight without damaging the web that’s

flight without damaging the web that’s

flight without damaging the web that’s the cool thing another cool thing is if

the cool thing another cool thing is if

the cool thing another cool thing is if you have a close look at the fibers even

you have a close look at the fibers even

you have a close look at the fibers even if I touch it you will not find bacteria

if I touch it you will not find bacteria

if I touch it you will not find bacteria fan charlie terms its sterile so

fan charlie terms its sterile so

fan charlie terms its sterile so obviously we have here material that you

obviously we have here material that you

obviously we have here material that you could use for its mechanical purposes

could use for its mechanical purposes

could use for its mechanical purposes but also for its medical purposes it’s a

but also for its medical purposes it’s a

but also for its medical purposes it’s a super material put it in the shoes

super material put it in the shoes

super material put it in the shoes repair your heart this was the idea this

repair your heart this was the idea this

repair your heart this was the idea this way why I get fascinated about this type

way why I get fascinated about this type

way why I get fascinated about this type of material it’s just one drawback if

of material it’s just one drawback if

of material it’s just one drawback if you try to take that from nature if you

you try to take that from nature if you

you try to take that from nature if you try to use spiders as a producing our

try to use spiders as a producing our

try to use spiders as a producing our hosts you have the problem that spiders

hosts you have the problem that spiders

hosts you have the problem that spiders are cannibalistic so if you put them two

are cannibalistic so if you put them two

are cannibalistic so if you put them two of them together in a box next day you

of them together in a box next day you

of them together in a box next day you have one survival that’s not good for a

have one survival that’s not good for a

have one survival that’s not good for a scale-up process

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[Music] well actually you have to take this get

well actually you have to take this get

well actually you have to take this get the inspiration how Spyder produces the

the inspiration how Spyder produces the

the inspiration how Spyder produces the material and then you have to adopt it

material and then you have to adopt it

material and then you have to adopt it to your technical process and this is

to your technical process and this is

to your technical process and this is what we call the Spider Man technology

what we call the Spider Man technology

what we call the Spider Man technology but it’s not like spider-man does it

but it’s not like spider-man does it

but it’s not like spider-man does it it’s not shooting out something of your

it’s not shooting out something of your

it’s not shooting out something of your forearm so what we have to do is we have

forearm so what we have to do is we have

forearm so what we have to do is we have to produce the raw material and the raw

to produce the raw material and the raw

to produce the raw material and the raw material is a protein it’s a silk

material is a protein it’s a silk

material is a protein it’s a silk protein that you literally can eat the

protein that you literally can eat the

protein that you literally can eat the spider eats the webs when it’s no longer

spider eats the webs when it’s no longer

spider eats the webs when it’s no longer of use so they can actually recycle the

of use so they can actually recycle the

of use so they can actually recycle the material and reuse the amino acids that

material and reuse the amino acids that

material and reuse the amino acids that they have been put into the into the

they have been put into the into the

they have been put into the into the sweat so it’s fully degradable in

sweat so it’s fully degradable in

sweat so it’s fully degradable in comparison to plastics material and it

comparison to plastics material and it

comparison to plastics material and it has all these really nice properties so

has all these really nice properties so

has all these really nice properties so we actually manufacture now these self

we actually manufacture now these self

we actually manufacture now these self proteins by bacteria but then we have to

proteins by bacteria but then we have to

proteins by bacteria but then we have to find a technological technological

find a technological technological

find a technological technological solution to make fibers and we call

solution to make fibers and we call

solution to make fibers and we call these fibers BIOS steel here you find a

these fibers BIOS steel here you find a

these fibers BIOS steel here you find a roll of them so this is the processed

roll of them so this is the processed

roll of them so this is the processed fiber and the properties are pretty much

fiber and the properties are pretty much

fiber and the properties are pretty much identical to what we find in nature so

identical to what we find in nature so

identical to what we find in nature so how can we do that that’s the big

how can we do that that’s the big

how can we do that that’s the big question

question

question now think about spider-man how that does

now think about spider-man how that does

now think about spider-man how that does spider-man gets this superpower he’s

spider-man gets this superpower he’s

spider-man gets this superpower he’s bitten by a spider well in reality that

bitten by a spider well in reality that

bitten by a spider well in reality that won’t do much it hurts a bit if you’re

won’t do much it hurts a bit if you’re

won’t do much it hurts a bit if you’re allergic you might get some reactions

allergic you might get some reactions

allergic you might get some reactions but you will not transfer the power of

but you will not transfer the power of

but you will not transfer the power of the spider but what you can do is you

the spider but what you can do is you

the spider but what you can do is you can advantage

can advantage

can advantage by the blueprint the genetic information

by the blueprint the genetic information

by the blueprint the genetic information for the silk molecules and if you know

for the silk molecules and if you know

for the silk molecules and if you know that if you identify these genes you can

that if you identify these genes you can

that if you identify these genes you can transform these genes you put them on

transform these genes you put them on

transform these genes you put them on the transporter on a vehicle and then

the transporter on a vehicle and then

the transporter on a vehicle and then put them in another host and we have

put them in another host and we have

put them in another host and we have chosen bacteria asher ehyeh coli we have

chosen bacteria asher ehyeh coli we have

chosen bacteria asher ehyeh coli we have them in our intestine a lot of them and

them in our intestine a lot of them and

them in our intestine a lot of them and you can actually train them so to say to

you can actually train them so to say to

you can actually train them so to say to produce spider silk but no fibers just

produce spider silk but no fibers just

produce spider silk but no fibers just the raw material and then you actually

the raw material and then you actually

the raw material and then you actually have to have a close look how the spider

have to have a close look how the spider

have to have a close look how the spider makes a fiber out of this material it’s

makes a fiber out of this material it’s

makes a fiber out of this material it’s not shooting like spider-man it’s

not shooting like spider-man it’s

not shooting like spider-man it’s drawing and if you understand all these

drawing and if you understand all these

drawing and if you understand all these natural phenomenon then you actually can

natural phenomenon then you actually can

natural phenomenon then you actually can develop a process that allows you to

develop a process that allows you to

develop a process that allows you to make such fibers but can you make shoes

make such fibers but can you make shoes

make such fibers but can you make shoes that you can eat well that was a big

that you can eat well that was a big

that you can eat well that was a big question that we had in the last year’s

question that we had in the last year’s

question that we had in the last year’s can we make really a product out of that

can we make really a product out of that

can we make really a product out of that and the product would have the advances

and the product would have the advances

and the product would have the advances that it is lightweight like silk it

that it is lightweight like silk it

that it is lightweight like silk it actually has a micro climate control it

actually has a micro climate control it

actually has a micro climate control it is a veteran because we produce it not

is a veteran because we produce it not

is a veteran because we produce it not with animals anymore we produce it with

with animals anymore we produce it with

with animals anymore we produce it with bacteria and actually it’s not smelly so

bacteria and actually it’s not smelly so

bacteria and actually it’s not smelly so if you sweat in your shoes they are not

if you sweat in your shoes they are not

if you sweat in your shoes they are not stinky because bacteria cannot stick to

stinky because bacteria cannot stick to

stinky because bacteria cannot stick to the surface remember and so you also

the surface remember and so you also

the surface remember and so you also have some moisture management because

have some moisture management because

have some moisture management because silk actually can very easily uptake and

silk actually can very easily uptake and

silk actually can very easily uptake and release water and therefore we like silk

release water and therefore we like silk

release water and therefore we like silk clothes so so much so the question is

clothes so so much so the question is

clothes so so much so the question is can we make shoes out of that yes we can

can we make shoes out of that yes we can

can we make shoes out of that yes we can these are shoes you literally can eat it

these are shoes you literally can eat it

these are shoes you literally can eat it you need good teeth because the fibers

you need good teeth because the fibers

you need good teeth because the fibers are strong right but you can eat them

are strong right but you can eat them

are strong right but you can eat them beside the sole so far the soul is still

beside the sole so far the soul is still

beside the sole so far the soul is still made of plastics I’m sorry about that

made of plastics I’m sorry about that

made of plastics I’m sorry about that but we work on that either so now that

but we work on that either so now that

but we work on that either so now that we have this technology are there more

we have this technology are there more

we have this technology are there more ideas can we actually supplement a lot

ideas can we actually supplement a lot

ideas can we actually supplement a lot of other plastics that we have in

of other plastics that we have in

of other plastics that we have in everydays life

everydays life

everydays life and all these plastics that we have

and all these plastics that we have

and all these plastics that we have especially in cosmetics in skin care

especially in cosmetics in skin care

especially in cosmetics in skin care hair care products they will all go to

hair care products they will all go to

hair care products they will all go to our classic systems so it would be very

our classic systems so it would be very

our classic systems so it would be very nice idea to use the technology to put

nice idea to use the technology to put

nice idea to use the technology to put that into cosmetic products and that

that into cosmetic products and that

that into cosmetic products and that already happened so you can have

already happened so you can have

already happened so you can have cosmetics skin care products hair care

cosmetics skin care products hair care

cosmetics skin care products hair care products even product for for other

products even product for for other

products even product for for other parts of your body that contain spider

parts of your body that contain spider

parts of your body that contain spider silk and there’s a cool thing about that

silk and there’s a cool thing about that

silk and there’s a cool thing about that because if you take that green put it on

because if you take that green put it on

because if you take that green put it on your skin it immediately builds a film

your skin it immediately builds a film

your skin it immediately builds a film so we no longer have fibers now we

so we no longer have fibers now we

so we no longer have fibers now we actually make a protecting film of silk

actually make a protecting film of silk

actually make a protecting film of silk and this has pretty much the same

and this has pretty much the same

and this has pretty much the same properties as the fibers it protects

properties as the fibers it protects

properties as the fibers it protects your skin from getting attacked by

your skin from getting attacked by

your skin from getting attacked by bacteria by pollution by dirt and it

bacteria by pollution by dirt and it

bacteria by pollution by dirt and it moisturizes your skin that’s the cool

moisturizes your skin that’s the cool

moisturizes your skin that’s the cool thing and once we found that out that we

thing and once we found that out that we

thing and once we found that out that we have this protecting function we had the

have this protecting function we had the

have this protecting function we had the next idea what happens to stuff that we

next idea what happens to stuff that we

next idea what happens to stuff that we put inside our body what happens with

put inside our body what happens with

put inside our body what happens with implants a lot of implants cause some

implants a lot of implants cause some

implants a lot of implants cause some side reactions so our body doesn’t like

side reactions so our body doesn’t like

side reactions so our body doesn’t like to have other stuff stuck into it right

to have other stuff stuck into it right

to have other stuff stuck into it right so it tries to get rid of it and if it

so it tries to get rid of it and if it

so it tries to get rid of it and if it cannot degrade it it tries to

cannot degrade it it tries to

cannot degrade it it tries to encapsulate that and that was one of the

encapsulate that and that was one of the

encapsulate that and that was one of the biggest problems that some surgeons had

biggest problems that some surgeons had

biggest problems that some surgeons had they worked with Mama carcinoma patients

they worked with Mama carcinoma patients

they worked with Mama carcinoma patients so breast cancer patients and the point

so breast cancer patients and the point

so breast cancer patients and the point is that if you lose your breast

is that if you lose your breast

is that if you lose your breast completely and you have to remodel that

completely and you have to remodel that

completely and you have to remodel that plastically they typically use silicone

plastically they typically use silicone

plastically they typically use silicone breast implants and the side effect of

breast implants and the side effect of

breast implants and the side effect of breast implants is severe because in 1/4

breast implants is severe because in 1/4

breast implants is severe because in 1/4 of the patients they actually develop a

of the patients they actually develop a

of the patients they actually develop a fibrosis which is very harmful it hurts

fibrosis which is very harmful it hurts

fibrosis which is very harmful it hurts and it can be actually deadly so you

and it can be actually deadly so you

and it can be actually deadly so you have to remove the implant so what

have to remove the implant so what

have to remove the implant so what happens if you just coat now the surface

happens if you just coat now the surface

happens if you just coat now the surface of the silicon implant with spider silk

of the silicon implant with spider silk

of the silicon implant with spider silk well actually it’s like in the stealth

well actually it’s like in the stealth

well actually it’s like in the stealth mode the body does not recognize this

mode the body does not recognize this

mode the body does not recognize this implant any longer

implant any longer

implant any longer a foreign it likes the silk surface so

a foreign it likes the silk surface so

a foreign it likes the silk surface so therefore we don’t get this fibrosis we

therefore we don’t get this fibrosis we

therefore we don’t get this fibrosis we don’t get the side-effects and right now

don’t get the side-effects and right now

don’t get the side-effects and right now this is in human beings and we hope to

this is in human beings and we hope to

this is in human beings and we hope to get through the regulations so that we

get through the regulations so that we

get through the regulations so that we can actually sell the product next year

can actually sell the product next year

can actually sell the product next year so that’s a pretty cool thing but

so that’s a pretty cool thing but

so that’s a pretty cool thing but remember at the very beginning I told

remember at the very beginning I told

remember at the very beginning I told you wouldn’t it be even cooler if we can

you wouldn’t it be even cooler if we can

you wouldn’t it be even cooler if we can repair some damaged tissue

repair some damaged tissue

repair some damaged tissue Kellee repair a heart so this is like a

Kellee repair a heart so this is like a

Kellee repair a heart so this is like a hard looks after a heart attack so if we

hard looks after a heart attack so if we

hard looks after a heart attack so if we survive the heart attack there’s always

survive the heart attack there’s always

survive the heart attack there’s always a scar left because every heart attack

a scar left because every heart attack

a scar left because every heart attack damages our heart tissue and our heart

damages our heart tissue and our heart

damages our heart tissue and our heart is not able to regenerate this damaged

is not able to regenerate this damaged

is not able to regenerate this damaged tissue and one of the reasons is that

tissue and one of the reasons is that

tissue and one of the reasons is that heart muscle cells cannot migrate they

heart muscle cells cannot migrate they

heart muscle cells cannot migrate they cannot actually get into this damaged

cannot actually get into this damaged

cannot actually get into this damaged area and the cool thing with spider silk

area and the cool thing with spider silk

area and the cool thing with spider silk is you can print it and look at that at

is you can print it and look at that at

is you can print it and look at that at that movie this is a silk shell which

that movie this is a silk shell which

that movie this is a silk shell which actually behaves like toothpaste

actually behaves like toothpaste

actually behaves like toothpaste if you squeeze it it flows if you don’t

if you squeeze it it flows if you don’t

if you squeeze it it flows if you don’t squeeze it it stands still so you can

squeeze it it stands still so you can

squeeze it it stands still so you can fill up now any damaged area with any

fill up now any damaged area with any

fill up now any damaged area with any kind of of the silk shells and it’s even

kind of of the silk shells and it’s even

kind of of the silk shells and it’s even cooler because you can now take the

cooler because you can now take the

cooler because you can now take the patient’s heart muscle cells place them

patient’s heart muscle cells place them

patient’s heart muscle cells place them in the shell and print now a heart with

in the shell and print now a heart with

in the shell and print now a heart with the cells inside and now look what the

the cells inside and now look what the

the cells inside and now look what the cells do they like it they start to beat

cells do they like it they start to beat

cells do they like it they start to beat so these are printed heart muscle cells

so these are printed heart muscle cells

so these are printed heart muscle cells on spider silk and they synchronize they

on spider silk and they synchronize they

on spider silk and they synchronize they come together they communicate and this

come together they communicate and this

come together they communicate and this is what you need to regenerate a living

is what you need to regenerate a living

is what you need to regenerate a living tissue in heart so this is vision this

tissue in heart so this is vision this

tissue in heart so this is vision this is definitely vision but we hope to have

is definitely vision but we hope to have

is definitely vision but we hope to have that in our surgeries in the next 20

that in our surgeries in the next 20

that in our surgeries in the next 20 years that’s the idea so with that I

years that’s the idea so with that I

years that’s the idea so with that I would thank you

with that I hope I could give you some

with that I hope I could give you some idea that Spiderman technology is

idea that Spiderman technology is

idea that Spiderman technology is scientific it’s not nonsense some of it

scientific it’s not nonsense some of it

scientific it’s not nonsense some of it is but not all of it it’s some vision

is but not all of it it’s some vision

is but not all of it it’s some vision behind that and it could help us well

behind that and it could help us well

behind that and it could help us well personally concerning our health but it

personally concerning our health but it

personally concerning our health but it also could actually be good for the

also could actually be good for the

also could actually be good for the planet and with I would like to thank

planet and with I would like to thank

planet and with I would like to thank you for your attention thank you much

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