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The Dark Side of Cybercrime | Larry Snyder | TEDxSpringfield


so over the next three years the

so over the next three years the cybersecurity industry is going to spend

cybersecurity industry is going to spend

cybersecurity industry is going to spend about a half a trillion dollars John to

about a half a trillion dollars John to

about a half a trillion dollars John to tools and technology

tools and technology

tools and technology protect your data and your information

protect your data and your information

protect your data and your information from hackers and data breaches and

from hackers and data breaches and

from hackers and data breaches and identity theft but unfortunately not one

identity theft but unfortunately not one

identity theft but unfortunately not one dime is going to go to protect Alicia or

dime is going to go to protect Alicia or

dime is going to go to protect Alicia or the twenty thousand kids that go missing

the twenty thousand kids that go missing

the twenty thousand kids that go missing in the United States of America every

in the United States of America every

in the United States of America every day from being exploited or from online

day from being exploited or from online

day from being exploited or from online predators

predators

predators Alicia is just like most other kids that

Alicia is just like most other kids that

Alicia is just like most other kids that we see in the United States she’s a

we see in the United States she’s a

we see in the United States she’s a fourteen year old child who had had come

fourteen year old child who had had come

fourteen year old child who had had come from a living loving family she lived in

from a living loving family she lived in

from a living loving family she lived in Pittsburgh with her mother and her

Pittsburgh with her mother and her

Pittsburgh with her mother and her father and she really was a young

father and she really was a young

father and she really was a young precarious young lady who was enthralled

precarious young lady who was enthralled

precarious young lady who was enthralled with the Internet and now in 2002 when

with the Internet and now in 2002 when

with the Internet and now in 2002 when she was 14 most of us were not fully

she was 14 most of us were not fully

she was 14 most of us were not fully aware of the dangers and they and and

aware of the dangers and they and and

aware of the dangers and they and and some of the things that we needed to be

some of the things that we needed to be

some of the things that we needed to be concerned about with the Internet so you

concerned about with the Internet so you

concerned about with the Internet so you know her parents they went out and

know her parents they went out and

know her parents they went out and bought a computer and they put it home

bought a computer and they put it home

bought a computer and they put it home in a common area of their home where

in a common area of their home where

in a common area of their home where where they knew that it needed to be

where they knew that it needed to be

where they knew that it needed to be because that was what the common ideal

because that was what the common ideal

because that was what the common ideal was at the time if you’re gonna buy a

was at the time if you’re gonna buy a

was at the time if you’re gonna buy a computer go ahead and buy it and and put

computer go ahead and buy it and and put

computer go ahead and buy it and and put it where your kids can use it but that

it where your kids can use it but that

it where your kids can use it but that you can watch to make sure that they’re

you can watch to make sure that they’re

you can watch to make sure that they’re gonna be safe and Alicia she loved it

gonna be safe and Alicia she loved it

gonna be safe and Alicia she loved it she went out on the Internet she found

she went out on the Internet she found

she went out on the Internet she found lots of friends some of her friends from

lots of friends some of her friends from

lots of friends some of her friends from school were online and they spent hours

school were online and they spent hours

school were online and they spent hours upon hours chatting and discussing about

upon hours chatting and discussing about

upon hours chatting and discussing about things that they couldn’t do in the real

things that they couldn’t do in the real

things that they couldn’t do in the real world and like many kids at the time and

world and like many kids at the time and

world and like many kids at the time and adults really she met some people that

adults really she met some people that

adults really she met some people that are online that she had never known

are online that she had never known

are online that she had never known before and some of them she became quite

before and some of them she became quite

before and some of them she became quite close with one in particular she became

close with one in particular she became

close with one in particular she became really close with and wanted to actually

really close with and wanted to actually

really close with and wanted to actually meet in the real world and they schemed

meet in the real world and they schemed

meet in the real world and they schemed and they they kind of came up with a

and they they kind of came up with a

and they they kind of came up with a plan that on New Year’s Eve in 2003 they

plan that on New Year’s Eve in 2003 they

plan that on New Year’s Eve in 2003 they were gonna they were gonna meet the girl

were gonna they were gonna meet the girl

were gonna they were gonna meet the girl that she met online was gonna have her

that she met online was gonna have her

that she met online was gonna have her father driver to Alicia’s town in

father driver to Alicia’s town in

father driver to Alicia’s town in Pittsburgh her neighborhood and they

Pittsburgh her neighborhood and they

Pittsburgh her neighborhood and they were just gonna meet and talk and and

were just gonna meet and talk and and

were just gonna meet and talk and and that was the plan now now New Year’s Eve

that was the plan now now New Year’s Eve

that was the plan now now New Year’s Eve for Alicia’s family was really really

for Alicia’s family was really really

for Alicia’s family was really really special she would they would have a big

special she would they would have a big

special she would they would have a big dinner and her entire family would come

dinner and her entire family would come

dinner and her entire family would come over and they would spend the evening

over and they would spend the evening

over and they would spend the evening together and sometime between dinner and

together and sometime between dinner and

together and sometime between dinner and dessert Alicia told her mom that she

dessert Alicia told her mom that she

dessert Alicia told her mom that she wasn’t feeling well and asked if she

wasn’t feeling well and asked if she

wasn’t feeling well and asked if she could go upstairs to her room and of

could go upstairs to her room and of

could go upstairs to her room and of course your mother said that’s fine what

course your mother said that’s fine what

course your mother said that’s fine what and but instead of going upstairs

and but instead of going upstairs

and but instead of going upstairs Alicia’s she slipped out the front door

Alicia’s she slipped out the front door

Alicia’s she slipped out the front door and went down the driveway

and went down the driveway

and went down the driveway and slid off the end of the driveway and

and slid off the end of the driveway and

and slid off the end of the driveway and took a right and started walking away

took a right and started walking away

took a right and started walking away from her home now it was late it was

from her home now it was late it was

from her home now it was late it was probably 7 o’clock and it Spitsbergen it

probably 7 o’clock and it Spitsbergen it

probably 7 o’clock and it Spitsbergen it was obviously it was December 31st so it

was obviously it was December 31st so it

was obviously it was December 31st so it was dark and Alisha she’s not dumb you

was dark and Alisha she’s not dumb you

was dark and Alisha she’s not dumb you know she knew in her that sound in her

know she knew in her that sound in her

know she knew in her that sound in her voice does that sound in her head those

voice does that sound in her head those

voice does that sound in her head those little voices started to say well he

little voices started to say well he

little voices started to say well he said this is probably not a good idea

said this is probably not a good idea

said this is probably not a good idea and you should go home so she stood in

and you should go home so she stood in

and you should go home so she stood in waited the streets were deserted at that

waited the streets were deserted at that

waited the streets were deserted at that time she stood and waited and she’s

time she stood and waited and she’s

time she stood and waited and she’s thought maybe I will go home and she

thought maybe I will go home and she

thought maybe I will go home and she turned around to leave and she took a

turned around to leave and she took a

turned around to leave and she took a couple of steps and then she heard her

couple of steps and then she heard her

couple of steps and then she heard her name call she turned around and and this

name call she turned around and and this

name call she turned around and and this is where things get a little fuzzy for

is where things get a little fuzzy for

is where things get a little fuzzy for Alisha she wasn’t sure exactly how it

Alisha she wasn’t sure exactly how it

Alisha she wasn’t sure exactly how it happened but she next thing she

happened but she next thing she

happened but she next thing she remembers she’s laying on the floor of

remembers she’s laying on the floor of

remembers she’s laying on the floor of the car which is speeding out of her

the car which is speeding out of her

the car which is speeding out of her neighborhood and and she’s being shoved

neighborhood and and she’s being shoved

neighborhood and and she’s being shoved down on the floor by somebody that she

down on the floor by somebody that she

down on the floor by somebody that she didn’t really recognize and she didn’t

didn’t really recognize and she didn’t

didn’t really recognize and she didn’t know who it was well the person that she

know who it was well the person that she

know who it was well the person that she had been gotten into the car with was a

had been gotten into the car with was a

had been gotten into the car with was a guy by the name of Scott he was a 40

guy by the name of Scott he was a 40

guy by the name of Scott he was a 40 year old programmer from Reston Virginia

year old programmer from Reston Virginia

year old programmer from Reston Virginia who had come to Pittsburgh to kidnap her

who had come to Pittsburgh to kidnap her

who had come to Pittsburgh to kidnap her and take her back to Virginia with him

and take her back to Virginia with him

and take her back to Virginia with him so while she was on the floor she was

so while she was on the floor she was

so while she was on the floor she was able to actually maneuver herself so

able to actually maneuver herself so

able to actually maneuver herself so that she could see out the window of the

that she could see out the window of the

that she could see out the window of the car and she saw road signs flying by

car and she saw road signs flying by

car and she saw road signs flying by that she she recognized the names of and

that she she recognized the names of and

that she she recognized the names of and she she understood where she was and she

she she understood where she was and she

she she understood where she was and she saw signs for the for the Pennsylvania

saw signs for the for the Pennsylvania

saw signs for the for the Pennsylvania Turnpike and she thought that there

Turnpike and she thought that there

Turnpike and she thought that there would be an opportunity here where she

would be an opportunity here where she

would be an opportunity here where she would be able to get free because

would be able to get free because

would be able to get free because certainly they had to stop at the

certainly they had to stop at the

certainly they had to stop at the turnpike booth in and pick up the card

turnpike booth in and pick up the card

turnpike booth in and pick up the card and the toll booth operator would

and the toll booth operator would

and the toll booth operator would recognize that there was something wrong

recognize that there was something wrong

recognize that there was something wrong and called the police but that didn’t

and called the police but that didn’t

and called the police but that didn’t happen

happen

happen straight through the toll booth they

straight through the toll booth they

straight through the toll booth they went and for six hours she laid on that

went and for six hours she laid on that

went and for six hours she laid on that floor not knowing where she was going

floor not knowing where she was going

floor not knowing where she was going and not knowing what was going to happen

and not knowing what was going to happen

and not knowing what was going to happen to her well Scott drove all the way to

to her well Scott drove all the way to

to her well Scott drove all the way to his home in Reston Virginia and he

his home in Reston Virginia and he

his home in Reston Virginia and he parked his car in front his house and

parked his car in front his house and

parked his car in front his house and grabbed her out of the out of the

grabbed her out of the out of the

grabbed her out of the out of the passenger seat floor and dragged her

passenger seat floor and dragged her

passenger seat floor and dragged her inside down to the basement where he had

inside down to the basement where he had

inside down to the basement where he had built a dungeon for just this occasion

built a dungeon for just this occasion

built a dungeon for just this occasion this is what he had planned to do he was

this is what he had planned to do he was

this is what he had planned to do he was an online predator okay

an online predator okay

an online predator okay so once he got her down to the basement

so once he got her down to the basement

so once he got her down to the basement he put a dog collar on her neck and a

he put a dog collar on her neck and a

he put a dog collar on her neck and a chain attached to it so they could take

chain attached to it so they could take

chain attached to it so they could take her up to his bedroom and chained her to

her up to his bedroom and chained her to

her up to his bedroom and chained her to the floor and then that first day that

the floor and then that first day that

the floor and then that first day that she was there he

she was there he

she was there he used her both tortured her and

used her both tortured her and

used her both tortured her and physically abused her and videotaped it

physically abused her and videotaped it

physically abused her and videotaped it and then put that video it out onto the

and then put that video it out onto the

and then put that video it out onto the Internet in the networks that Scott

Internet in the networks that Scott

Internet in the networks that Scott traveled on the dark web that many of us

traveled on the dark web that many of us

traveled on the dark web that many of us hear about but we don’t exactly know

hear about but we don’t exactly know

hear about but we don’t exactly know what it is and on the dark web Scott’s

what it is and on the dark web Scott’s

what it is and on the dark web Scott’s network of compatriots were able to view

network of compatriots were able to view

network of compatriots were able to view these this video and and do whatever

these this video and and do whatever

these this video and and do whatever they may with it as distribute it which

they may with it as distribute it which

they may with it as distribute it which is what one of the things that the

is what one of the things that the

is what one of the things that the internet did for child pornography in

internet did for child pornography in

internet did for child pornography in case you’re wondering what we’re talking

case you’re wondering what we’re talking

case you’re wondering what we’re talking about is it allowed it to be easily

about is it allowed it to be easily

about is it allowed it to be easily distributed unlike prior to the Internet

distributed unlike prior to the Internet

distributed unlike prior to the Internet where it was more or less moved around

where it was more or less moved around

where it was more or less moved around by hand so for three days three more

by hand so for three days three more

by hand so for three days three more days Scott kept Alicia in his home and

days Scott kept Alicia in his home and

days Scott kept Alicia in his home and he didn’t feed her tortured her abused

he didn’t feed her tortured her abused

he didn’t feed her tortured her abused her and on the fourth day in the morning

her and on the fourth day in the morning

her and on the fourth day in the morning he said Alicia I like you too much

he said Alicia I like you too much

he said Alicia I like you too much tonight when we get home from when I get

tonight when we get home from when I get

tonight when we get home from when I get home from work we’re gonna go for a ride

home from work we’re gonna go for a ride

home from work we’re gonna go for a ride Alicia knew what that meant so do you

Alicia knew what that meant so do you

Alicia knew what that meant so do you that was the last day that Alicia was

that was the last day that Alicia was

that was the last day that Alicia was going to be on earth but fortunately

going to be on earth but fortunately

going to be on earth but fortunately somebody had seen that video online and

somebody had seen that video online and

somebody had seen that video online and the day that Alicia went missing her

the day that Alicia went missing her

the day that Alicia went missing her parents contacted the FBI and they

parents contacted the FBI and they

parents contacted the FBI and they started working with what was referred

started working with what was referred

started working with what was referred to as at the time was the Internet

to as at the time was the Internet

to as at the time was the Internet crimes against children Task Force which

crimes against children Task Force which

crimes against children Task Force which is the FBI state and local police in

is the FBI state and local police in

is the FBI state and local police in Pittsburgh which actually had one of the

Pittsburgh which actually had one of the

Pittsburgh which actually had one of the first Internet crimes against children

first Internet crimes against children

first Internet crimes against children Task Force and they started working

Task Force and they started working

Task Force and they started working their magic of Investigation to try to

their magic of Investigation to try to

their magic of Investigation to try to figure out where Alicia was based on

figure out where Alicia was based on

figure out where Alicia was based on clues in the video and some of the

clues in the video and some of the

clues in the video and some of the information that was provided by the

information that was provided by the

information that was provided by the tipster and while Scott went off to work

tipster and while Scott went off to work

tipster and while Scott went off to work they actually located Alicia in Reston

they actually located Alicia in Reston

they actually located Alicia in Reston Virginia arrested Scott saved her and in

Virginia arrested Scott saved her and in

Virginia arrested Scott saved her and in a few days she was reunited with her

a few days she was reunited with her

a few days she was reunited with her family now Alicia very very resilient

family now Alicia very very resilient

family now Alicia very very resilient young lady she actually went on to

young lady she actually went on to

young lady she actually went on to create a foundation it’s called the

create a foundation it’s called the

create a foundation it’s called the Alicia project and she spends her time

Alicia project and she spends her time

Alicia project and she spends her time traveling around the United States and

traveling around the United States and

traveling around the United States and testifying before state and federal

testifying before state and federal

testifying before state and federal government committees trying to explain

government committees trying to explain

government committees trying to explain to them the importance of actually

to them the importance of actually

to them the importance of actually educating parents and children about

educating parents and children about

educating parents and children about some of the dangers that are online now

some of the dangers that are online now

some of the dangers that are online now no one wants to believe that the

no one wants to believe that the

no one wants to believe that the Internet is a terrible place and it’s

Internet is a terrible place and it’s

Internet is a terrible place and it’s not it is an amazing place and all of us

not it is an amazing place and all of us

not it is an amazing place and all of us have had great fortune of growing up or

have had great fortune of growing up or

have had great fortune of growing up or at least living during the time when it

at least living during the time when it

at least living during the time when it went from a very small

went from a very small

went from a very small a network – one of the biggest networks

a network – one of the biggest networks

a network – one of the biggest networks that we can actually see but there’s

that we can actually see but there’s

that we can actually see but there’s some things that we have to be aware of

some things that we have to be aware of

some things that we have to be aware of as far as how we’re going to allow our

as far as how we’re going to allow our

as far as how we’re going to allow our children to to thrive in this this what

children to to thrive in this this what

children to to thrive in this this what is going to be an awesome way of life

is going to be an awesome way of life

is going to be an awesome way of life and in the next 10 to 15 years the

and in the next 10 to 15 years the

and in the next 10 to 15 years the Center for Missing Exploited Children

Center for Missing Exploited Children

Center for Missing Exploited Children put out a lot of statistics for us to

put out a lot of statistics for us to

put out a lot of statistics for us to try to digest as it relates to child

try to digest as it relates to child

try to digest as it relates to child abduction and missing children or

abduction and missing children or

abduction and missing children or children that get exploited online and

children that get exploited online and

children that get exploited online and I’m gonna bet that some of us as we

I’m gonna bet that some of us as we

I’m gonna bet that some of us as we think about this text attest Excel

think about this text attest Excel

think about this text attest Excel recognize that perhaps somebody we know

recognize that perhaps somebody we know

recognize that perhaps somebody we know might fall in here so like Alicia about

might fall in here so like Alicia about

might fall in here so like Alicia about 4% of the of the perpetrators or the the

4% of the of the perpetrators or the the

4% of the of the perpetrators or the the predators that are online will actually

predators that are online will actually

predators that are online will actually try to make contact with a child in the

try to make contact with a child in the

try to make contact with a child in the real world four percent one in twenty

real world four percent one in twenty

real world four percent one in twenty five which is which is if you think

five which is which is if you think

five which is which is if you think about it is is quite significant given

about it is is quite significant given

about it is is quite significant given the total number of people that are

the total number of people that are

the total number of people that are online three quarters three quarters of

online three quarters three quarters of

online three quarters three quarters of the people that run into predators

the people that run into predators

the people that run into predators online meet them in some sort of social

online meet them in some sort of social

online meet them in some sort of social networking site some sort of chat room

networking site some sort of chat room

networking site some sort of chat room 75 percent think Facebook think all

75 percent think Facebook think all

75 percent think Facebook think all those other applications that your kids

those other applications that your kids

those other applications that your kids are on or that young adults are on that

are on or that young adults are on that

are on or that young adults are on that had the chance of running into a

had the chance of running into a

had the chance of running into a predator half of the Predators online go

predator half of the Predators online go

predator half of the Predators online go through the grooming process and that’s

through the grooming process and that’s

through the grooming process and that’s really what it’s all about and that’s

really what it’s all about and that’s

really what it’s all about and that’s one of the things that I want to talk to

one of the things that I want to talk to

one of the things that I want to talk to you about today is this grooming process

you about today is this grooming process

you about today is this grooming process this process where the predator actually

this process where the predator actually

this process where the predator actually tries to befriend the individual so that

tries to befriend the individual so that

tries to befriend the individual so that they can gain their trust so half the

they can gain their trust so half the

they can gain their trust so half the time they’re offering money or gifts to

time they’re offering money or gifts to

time they’re offering money or gifts to the to the to their victim the rest of

the to the to their victim the rest of

the to the to their victim the rest of the time like an Alicia’s case they’re

the time like an Alicia’s case they’re

the time like an Alicia’s case they’re just being their friend they’re just

just being their friend they’re just

just being their friend they’re just trying to gain their confidence they’re

trying to gain their confidence they’re

trying to gain their confidence they’re trying to be their surrogate parent per

trying to be their surrogate parent per

trying to be their surrogate parent per se ninety-five percent of the time

se ninety-five percent of the time

se ninety-five percent of the time ninety-five percent of the time the

ninety-five percent of the time the

ninety-five percent of the time the predator does not try to hide their age

predator does not try to hide their age

predator does not try to hide their age from their victim in Alicia’s case they

from their victim in Alicia’s case they

from their victim in Alicia’s case they did they tried to pass themselves off as

did they tried to pass themselves off as

did they tried to pass themselves off as a younger person but ninety-five percent

a younger person but ninety-five percent

a younger person but ninety-five percent of the time which is quite startling if

of the time which is quite startling if

of the time which is quite startling if you think about it they do not try to

you think about it they do not try to

you think about it they do not try to hide how old they are

and the majority of the time the victim

and the majority of the time the victim willingly goes to meet them just like

willingly goes to meet them just like

willingly goes to meet them just like Anne Alicia’s case so you’re probably

Anne Alicia’s case so you’re probably

Anne Alicia’s case so you’re probably thinking why did I come here today to

thinking why did I come here today to

thinking why did I come here today to talk about this right I’ll tell you when

talk about this right I’ll tell you when

talk about this right I’ll tell you when I mentioned what my wife would I wanted

I mentioned what my wife would I wanted

I mentioned what my wife would I wanted to talk about she thought I was she

to talk about she thought I was she

to talk about she thought I was she thought I was crazy she said there’s no

thought I was crazy she said there’s no

thought I was crazy she said there’s no way that this is appropriate and I

way that this is appropriate and I

way that this is appropriate and I really had doubts and I asked it is this

really had doubts and I asked it is this

really had doubts and I asked it is this okay to talk about to to the TEDx folks

okay to talk about to to the TEDx folks

okay to talk about to to the TEDx folks and and it’s important message to say so

and and it’s important message to say so

and and it’s important message to say so I Drive home every day and every day in

I Drive home every day and every day in

I Drive home every day and every day in the morning when I go to work I see this

the morning when I go to work I see this

the morning when I go to work I see this sign right it says it happening here

sign right it says it happening here

sign right it says it happening here stop sexual exploitation of children or

stop sexual exploitation of children or

stop sexual exploitation of children or youth and I see it again when I go home

youth and I see it again when I go home

youth and I see it again when I go home now I live in the town it’s got about 50

now I live in the town it’s got about 50

now I live in the town it’s got about 50 people in it ten of those people in that

people in it ten of those people in that

people in it ten of those people in that town were related to me which means some

town were related to me which means some

town were related to me which means some of them have had this occur to them

of them have had this occur to them

of them have had this occur to them statistically it’s virtually certain

statistically it’s virtually certain

statistically it’s virtually certain that at least one of my children or

that at least one of my children or

that at least one of my children or perhaps my grandchildren when they get

perhaps my grandchildren when they get

perhaps my grandchildren when they get older will fall into this statistic

older will fall into this statistic

older will fall into this statistic which is just a little bit too much for

which is just a little bit too much for

which is just a little bit too much for me to take right so ruff Waldo Emerson

me to take right so ruff Waldo Emerson

me to take right so ruff Waldo Emerson says that you know one idea will light a

says that you know one idea will light a

says that you know one idea will light a thousand candles and I have no idea if

thousand candles and I have no idea if

thousand candles and I have no idea if today is a good idea or I’m just a

today is a good idea or I’m just a

today is a good idea or I’m just a candle but what I think we can do

candle but what I think we can do

candle but what I think we can do together as a profession to

together as a profession to

together as a profession to cybersecurity professions were spending

cybersecurity professions were spending

cybersecurity professions were spending tons of money on things nothing to do

tons of money on things nothing to do

tons of money on things nothing to do with this or us as a society or as a

with this or us as a society or as a

with this or us as a society or as a community it’s we can just start having

community it’s we can just start having

community it’s we can just start having a conversation don’t need to spend money

a conversation don’t need to spend money

a conversation don’t need to spend money we don’t need to go up buy expensive

we don’t need to go up buy expensive

we don’t need to go up buy expensive things we just need to start talking

things we just need to start talking

things we just need to start talking about it because when we start shining

about it because when we start shining

about it because when we start shining the light on it the light of the

the light on it the light of the

the light on it the light of the thousand candles then things can change

thousand candles then things can change

thousand candles then things can change it comes to the radar and as a community

it comes to the radar and as a community

it comes to the radar and as a community as a society we can begin to address

as a society we can begin to address

as a society we can begin to address some of the questions and some of the

some of the questions and some of the

some of the questions and some of the trouble that we see so as parents as

trouble that we see so as parents as

trouble that we see so as parents as educators as community members just

educators as community members just

educators as community members just start talking to your kids ask them what

start talking to your kids ask them what

start talking to your kids ask them what they’re doing online

they’re doing online

they’re doing online ask them what types of apps they’re

ask them what types of apps they’re

ask them what types of apps they’re using now I don’t expect anybody’s kids

using now I don’t expect anybody’s kids

using now I don’t expect anybody’s kids I got teenagers and I’ve got older kids

I got teenagers and I’ve got older kids

I got teenagers and I’ve got older kids if I when I had this conversation with

if I when I had this conversation with

if I when I had this conversation with them each time I was basically told that

them each time I was basically told that

them each time I was basically told that I was nuts and I’m no way I’m

I was nuts and I’m no way I’m

I was nuts and I’m no way I’m tell you exactly what I’m doing online

tell you exactly what I’m doing online

tell you exactly what I’m doing online and that’s fine but what they need to

and that’s fine but what they need to

and that’s fine but what they need to know is that I have an expressed

know is that I have an expressed

know is that I have an expressed interest in what they’re doing online

interest in what they’re doing online

interest in what they’re doing online and I hope that they understand that

and I hope that they understand that

and I hope that they understand that they can come and talk to me if they

they can come and talk to me if they

they can come and talk to me if they have questions that’s all we’re asking

have questions that’s all we’re asking

have questions that’s all we’re asking that’s all that I’m asking today so if

that’s all that I’m asking today so if

that’s all that I’m asking today so if we can take the thousand candles that we

we can take the thousand candles that we

we can take the thousand candles that we have here in this room and start having

have here in this room and start having

have here in this room and start having a real conversation about the things

a real conversation about the things

a real conversation about the things that need to be done and how to raise

that need to be done and how to raise

that need to be done and how to raise awareness then maybe just maybe we can

awareness then maybe just maybe we can

awareness then maybe just maybe we can take our collective candle watts and

take our collective candle watts and

take our collective candle watts and shine some light on this really dark

shine some light on this really dark

shine some light on this really dark area of the web this really dark

area of the web this really dark

area of the web this really dark underbelly of sus of Internet Society

underbelly of sus of Internet Society

underbelly of sus of Internet Society and hopefully in our lifetime just

and hopefully in our lifetime just

and hopefully in our lifetime just simply eliminate

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