welcome back to segment two of show 13 so if I didn’t piss off everyone and or
so if I didn’t piss off everyone and or
so if I didn’t piss off everyone and or at least all the female audience in
at least all the female audience in
at least all the female audience in segment 1 i’m now going to piss off
segment 1 i’m now going to piss off
segment 1 i’m now going to piss off everybody for playing devil’s advocate
everybody for playing devil’s advocate
everybody for playing devil’s advocate in this segment we’re going to talk
in this segment we’re going to talk
in this segment we’re going to talk about the e parasite and the protect IP
about the e parasite and the protect IP
about the e parasite and the protect IP bills that basically are trying to
bills that basically are trying to
bills that basically are trying to unravel whatever the DMCA you know sort
unravel whatever the DMCA you know sort
unravel whatever the DMCA you know sort of brought onto the internet and
of brought onto the internet and
of brought onto the internet and ninety-eight what is the DMCA that the
ninety-eight what is the DMCA that the
ninety-eight what is the DMCA that the DMCA is the Digital Millennium Copyright
DMCA is the Digital Millennium Copyright
DMCA is the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and basically what that did when
Act and basically what that did when
Act and basically what that did when Congress passed it in 1998 is it updated
Congress passed it in 1998 is it updated
Congress passed it in 1998 is it updated copyright laws and it basically gave for
copyright laws and it basically gave for
copyright laws and it basically gave for safe harbors I’m not going to bore you
safe harbors I’m not going to bore you
safe harbors I’m not going to bore you with what they are because frankly to a
with what they are because frankly to a
with what they are because frankly to a non-techie they all sound the same but
non-techie they all sound the same but
non-techie they all sound the same but you can you know you could go find out
you can you know you could go find out
you can you know you could go find out what they are the bottom line is that it
what they are the bottom line is that it
what they are the bottom line is that it basically allowed user-generated sites
basically allowed user-generated sites
basically allowed user-generated sites to operate and put the onus on
to operate and put the onus on
to operate and put the onus on traditional media companies to issue a
traditional media companies to issue a
traditional media companies to issue a takedown notice to do individual users
takedown notice to do individual users
takedown notice to do individual users well not just individual users but also
well not just individual users but also
well not just individual users but also to like the youtubes of the world so if
to like the youtubes of the world so if
to like the youtubes of the world so if YouTube for example if somebody uploads
YouTube for example if somebody uploads
YouTube for example if somebody uploads a video of lazy Sunday which was the SNL
a video of lazy Sunday which was the SNL
a video of lazy Sunday which was the SNL skit to YouTube then NBC basically just
skit to YouTube then NBC basically just
skit to YouTube then NBC basically just uploads a takedown notice like issues to
uploads a takedown notice like issues to
uploads a takedown notice like issues to takedown notice and so long as YouTube
takedown notice and so long as YouTube
takedown notice and so long as YouTube takes down that infringing video then
takes down that infringing video then
takes down that infringing video then YouTube is not get shut down what this
YouTube is not get shut down what this
YouTube is not get shut down what this what these two bills bills are setting
what these two bills bills are setting
what these two bills bills are setting out to do basically are removing the
out to do basically are removing the
out to do basically are removing the onus from the the traditional media
onus from the the traditional media
onus from the the traditional media companies and they basically allow the
companies and they basically allow the
companies and they basically allow the traditional media companies to simply
traditional media companies to simply
traditional media companies to simply say ok youtube is infringing so we’re
say ok youtube is infringing so we’re
say ok youtube is infringing so we’re going to do what happened to WikiLeaks
going to do what happened to WikiLeaks
going to do what happened to WikiLeaks which is cut off their source of funding
which is cut off their source of funding
which is cut off their source of funding they can’t collect money etc etc which
they can’t collect money etc etc which
they can’t collect money etc etc which means the death of ugc sites obviously
means the death of ugc sites obviously
means the death of ugc sites obviously the tech community as well as the
the tech community as well as the
the tech community as well as the venture capitalists who are funding all
venture capitalists who are funding all
venture capitalists who are funding all these companies they’re a bit upset so
these companies they’re a bit upset so
these companies they’re a bit upset so what is your take first about the
what is your take first about the
what is your take first about the protect IP and the e parasite law okay I
protect IP and the e parasite law okay I
protect IP and the e parasite law okay I I get why big media and mainstream media
I get why big media and mainstream media
I get why big media and mainstream media is doing this I think it’s a huge huge
is doing this I think it’s a huge huge
is doing this I think it’s a huge huge effing mistake so basically there I
effing mistake so basically there I
effing mistake so basically there I think they’re trying to buy themselves
think they’re trying to buy themselves
think they’re trying to buy themselves I’m until they’re ready to adapt to the
I’m until they’re ready to adapt to the
I’m until they’re ready to adapt to the technology at which point they can
technology at which point they can
technology at which point they can choose who how and when to litigate at
choose who how and when to litigate at
choose who how and when to litigate at their discretion when what they should
their discretion when what they should
their discretion when what they should be doing is taking their investors money
be doing is taking their investors money
be doing is taking their investors money in fact they should have done this five
in fact they should have done this five
in fact they should have done this five years ago but they should start doing it
years ago but they should start doing it
years ago but they should start doing it now instead of spending it on lobbyists
now instead of spending it on lobbyists
now instead of spending it on lobbyists and lawyers they should be taking their
and lawyers they should be taking their
and lawyers they should be taking their investors money and finding ways to
investors money and finding ways to
investors money and finding ways to embrace different technology and really
embrace different technology and really
embrace different technology and really embracing and adapting to like the
embracing and adapting to like the
embracing and adapting to like the really lowered costs the content
really lowered costs the content
really lowered costs the content production and just focus on producing
production and just focus on producing
production and just focus on producing awesome content because really what what
awesome content because really what what
awesome content because really what what are the youtubes of the world their
are the youtubes of the world their
are the youtubes of the world their distribution channels it’s I don’t know
distribution channels it’s I don’t know
distribution channels it’s I don’t know it’s it’s almost this is a really bad
it’s it’s almost this is a really bad
it’s it’s almost this is a really bad analogy but it’s almost like an old
analogy but it’s almost like an old
analogy but it’s almost like an old school newspaper suing kimberly-clark
school newspaper suing kimberly-clark
school newspaper suing kimberly-clark because their paper was used to reprint
because their paper was used to reprint
because their paper was used to reprint something that was a copyright
something that was a copyright
something that was a copyright infringement okay so I’m going to first
infringement okay so I’m going to first
infringement okay so I’m going to first agree with one thing you said if you
agree with one thing you said if you
agree with one thing you said if you take a location point of Hulu where the
take a location point of Hulu where the
take a location point of Hulu where the traditional media companies got together
traditional media companies got together
traditional media companies got together and said we’re going to be proactive and
and said we’re going to be proactive and
and said we’re going to be proactive and we’re going to build something then
we’re going to build something then
we’re going to build something then great but here’s the reality news flash
great but here’s the reality news flash
great but here’s the reality news flash the faster traditional media companies
the faster traditional media companies
the faster traditional media companies embrace the web the faster they kill
embrace the web the faster they kill
embrace the web the faster they kill themselves because the reality is that
themselves because the reality is that
themselves because the reality is that the web shrinks traditional businesses
the web shrinks traditional businesses
the web shrinks traditional businesses the web removes all of the
the web removes all of the
the web removes all of the inefficiencies of traditional industries
inefficiencies of traditional industries
inefficiencies of traditional industries and businesses including media but also
and businesses including media but also
and businesses including media but also travel you’re just saying the market has
travel you’re just saying the market has
travel you’re just saying the market has changed the forces of supply and demand
changed the forces of supply and demand
changed the forces of supply and demand have shifted based on new realities
have shifted based on new realities
have shifted based on new realities there is no longer a market for the kind
there is no longer a market for the kind
there is no longer a market for the kind of product that their packaging and
of product that their packaging and
of product that their packaging and producing and they’re just wasting their
producing and they’re just wasting their
producing and they’re just wasting their money trying to force that down
money trying to force that down
money trying to force that down everyone’s throat I would even say this
everyone’s throat I would even say this
everyone’s throat I would even say this border is like on antitrust okay
border is like on antitrust okay
border is like on antitrust okay inclusion for the record I’m against
inclusion for the record I’m against
inclusion for the record I’m against these bills I’m just playing devil’s
these bills I’m just playing devil’s
these bills I’m just playing devil’s advocate I don’t want to get hate mail
advocate I don’t want to get hate mail
advocate I don’t want to get hate mail and I don’t want to be a hypocrite but I
and I don’t want to be a hypocrite but I
and I don’t want to be a hypocrite but I do think it’s important before word and
do think it’s important before word and
do think it’s important before word and pavement no but I do think it’s
pavement no but I do think it’s
pavement no but I do think it’s important for the critics of these laws
important for the critics of these laws
important for the critics of these laws and those who question the traditional
and those who question the traditional
and those who question the traditional media companies to put themselves in the
media companies to put themselves in the
media companies to put themselves in the shoes of the other side just for a
shoes of the other side just for a
shoes of the other side just for a second to come up with a better argument
second to come up with a better argument
second to come up with a better argument and this is my point it’s it’s not that
and this is my point it’s it’s not that
and this is my point it’s it’s not that different you know there’s a saying it’s
different you know there’s a saying it’s
different you know there’s a saying it’s easier to ask for forgiveness than it is
easier to ask for forgiveness than it is
easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission so at the very
to ask for permission so at the very
to ask for permission so at the very like I know I’m comparing apples and
like I know I’m comparing apples and
like I know I’m comparing apples and oranges but one of vc goes out there and
oranges but one of vc goes out there and
oranges but one of vc goes out there and they fund youtube or Napster both sites
they fund youtube or Napster both sites
they fund youtube or Napster both sites i love as a consumer I think they don’t
i love as a consumer I think they don’t
i love as a consumer I think they don’t go out there and ask permission of the
go out there and ask permission of the
go out there and ask permission of the traditional media companies saying you
traditional media companies saying you
traditional media companies saying you know there’s a chance that basically
know there’s a chance that basically
know there’s a chance that basically these tools are going to disrupt your
these tools are going to disrupt your
these tools are going to disrupt your industry
industry
industry you so we’re going to play with your IP
you so we’re going to play with your IP
you so we’re going to play with your IP but we’re not going to ask you how you
but we’re not going to ask you how you
but we’re not going to ask you how you feel about it because clearly you don’t
feel about it because clearly you don’t
feel about it because clearly you don’t like this so we’re going to disrupt you
like this so we’re going to disrupt you
like this so we’re going to disrupt you we’re not going to ask your permission
we’re not going to ask your permission
we’re not going to ask your permission but after the fact if you if you object
but after the fact if you if you object
but after the fact if you if you object to an infringing piece of document then
to an infringing piece of document then
to an infringing piece of document then you could issue a takedown and after the
you could issue a takedown and after the
you could issue a takedown and after the fact you’re welcome to use these tools
fact you’re welcome to use these tools
fact you’re welcome to use these tools even though they destroy your value over
even though they destroy your value over
even though they destroy your value over time which I agree it’s survival of the
time which I agree it’s survival of the
time which I agree it’s survival of the fittest its Darwinism too bad but I’m
fittest its Darwinism too bad but I’m
fittest its Darwinism too bad but I’m just saying how different is it now for
just saying how different is it now for
just saying how different is it now for the traditional media companies to say
the traditional media companies to say
the traditional media companies to say you know tech companies we’re not going
you know tech companies we’re not going
you know tech companies we’re not going to sit down and invite you to the table
to sit down and invite you to the table
to sit down and invite you to the table and talk about how you feel about this
and talk about how you feel about this
and talk about how you feel about this bills we’re going to do exactly what you
bills we’re going to do exactly what you
bills we’re going to do exactly what you did we’re going to preempt we’re going
did we’re going to preempt we’re going
did we’re going to preempt we’re going to go out there and get so draconian
to go out there and get so draconian
to go out there and get so draconian with these first strike tactics that
with these first strike tactics that
with these first strike tactics that then you’re gonna have to come back and
then you’re gonna have to come back and
then you’re gonna have to come back and you’re going to say no no but let’s have
you’re going to say no no but let’s have
you’re going to say no no but let’s have a discussion and I’m gonna end it this
a discussion and I’m gonna end it this
a discussion and I’m gonna end it this kind of big corporate influence over
kind of big corporate influence over
kind of big corporate influence over legislation I think is is precisely with
legislation I think is is precisely with
legislation I think is is precisely with the Occupy movement is about right now
the Occupy movement is about right now
the Occupy movement is about right now but I want to draw a parallel and I
but I want to draw a parallel and I
but I want to draw a parallel and I don’t know if it’s a factual parallel
don’t know if it’s a factual parallel
don’t know if it’s a factual parallel but we’ve all heard the conspiracy
but we’ve all heard the conspiracy
but we’ve all heard the conspiracy theory the big oil bought the electric
theory the big oil bought the electric
theory the big oil bought the electric car or the hydrogen car or the water car
car or the hydrogen car or the water car
car or the hydrogen car or the water car or the cold fusion car and they put it
or the cold fusion car and they put it
or the cold fusion car and they put it in a safe and they own the patents and
in a safe and they own the patents and
in a safe and they own the patents and they’ll never let it get produced
they’ll never let it get produced
they’ll never let it get produced because it’ll eat into their market
because it’ll eat into their market
because it’ll eat into their market share if that is true if that makes them
share if that is true if that makes them
share if that is true if that makes them really evil because it’s hurting the
really evil because it’s hurting the
really evil because it’s hurting the rest of us and I think this is the same
rest of us and I think this is the same
rest of us and I think this is the same kind of I don’t know the same kind of
kind of I don’t know the same kind of
kind of I don’t know the same kind of ethos behind this move I think that it’s
ethos behind this move I think that it’s
ethos behind this move I think that it’s slowing down progress that benefits
slowing down progress that benefits
slowing down progress that benefits citizens consumers and your users just
citizens consumers and your users just
citizens consumers and your users just to keep a bunch of rich people who made
to keep a bunch of rich people who made
to keep a bunch of rich people who made some bad decisions when the internet
some bad decisions when the internet
some bad decisions when the internet started gaining ground it keeps them
started gaining ground it keeps them
started gaining ground it keeps them rich and it screws everyone else I think
rich and it screws everyone else I think
rich and it screws everyone else I think it’s bad yeah I just I just my point is
it’s bad yeah I just I just my point is
it’s bad yeah I just I just my point is it’s it’s unfair for people to be like
it’s it’s unfair for people to be like
it’s it’s unfair for people to be like the traditional media companies are
the traditional media companies are
the traditional media companies are crazy it’s not in their economic
crazy it’s not in their economic
crazy it’s not in their economic incentive to be for the status quo so
incentive to be for the status quo so
incentive to be for the status quo so you know you know you said you shouldn’t
you know you know you said you shouldn’t
you know you know you said you shouldn’t blame them I think you know the reality
blame them I think you know the reality
blame them I think you know the reality is like no I can blame them for not be
is like no I can blame them for not be
is like no I can blame them for not be having been smarter about addressing
having been smarter about addressing
having been smarter about addressing technology as it evolved but they were
technology as it evolved but they were
technology as it evolved but they were too interested the sooner they go out of
too interested the sooner they go out of
too interested the sooner they go out of business bullshit know if they just have
business bullshit know if they just have
business bullshit know if they just have to change their business model is that
to change their business model is that
to change their business model is that they should focus more on content
they should focus more on content
they should focus more on content production and worry less about the
production and worry less about the
production and worry less about the actual distribution great i don’t have
actual distribution great i don’t have
actual distribution great i don’t have to maintain a network anymore how easy
to maintain a network anymore how easy
to maintain a network anymore how easy is that ok do you think these bills will
is that ok do you think these bills will
is that ok do you think these bills will actually pass and become law or do you
actually pass and become law or do you
actually pass and become law or do you think that they’re basically you know
think that they’re basically you know
think that they’re basically you know brass knuckle tactics to get the tech
brass knuckle tactics to get the tech
brass knuckle tactics to get the tech companies to agree to more because the
companies to agree to more because the
companies to agree to more because the see here’s why the DNC I think pisses
see here’s why the DNC I think pisses
see here’s why the DNC I think pisses off law these media companies the onus
off law these media companies the onus
off law these media companies the onus like look at look at viacom and YouTube
like look at look at viacom and YouTube
like look at look at viacom and YouTube for the record and a fortune on lawyers
for the record and a fortune on lawyers
for the record and a fortune on lawyers and send down one takedown know exactly
and send down one takedown know exactly
and send down one takedown know exactly and even after that they just reappear
and even after that they just reappear
and even after that they just reappear so I’m just saying like you know the
so I’m just saying like you know the
so I’m just saying like you know the media companies are just trying to give
media companies are just trying to give
media companies are just trying to give a taste of the medicine back to the tech
a taste of the medicine back to the tech
a taste of the medicine back to the tech firms I you know I Fred Wilson early
firms I you know I Fred Wilson early
firms I you know I Fred Wilson early you’re going to shut down YouTube
you’re going to shut down YouTube
you’re going to shut down YouTube because of one SNL skit that was
because of one SNL skit that was
because of one SNL skit that was uploaded but it’s not one SNL skit I
uploaded but it’s not one SNL skit I
uploaded but it’s not one SNL skit I think if you take a look at the nets in
think if you take a look at the nets in
think if you take a look at the nets in that landscape and what Napster did to
that landscape and what Napster did to
that landscape and what Napster did to the record labels what what you know how
the record labels what what you know how
the record labels what what you know how needle YouTube’s impact on Hollywood I
needle YouTube’s impact on Hollywood I
needle YouTube’s impact on Hollywood I think I think Viacom is misguided for
think I think Viacom is misguided for
think I think Viacom is misguided for not using youtube today okay I side with
not using youtube today okay I side with
not using youtube today okay I side with YouTube and yes I’m biased as a new
YouTube and yes I’m biased as a new
YouTube and yes I’m biased as a new media entrepreneur let me not come
media entrepreneur let me not come
media entrepreneur let me not come across as a hit my bias as a user no I
across as a hit my bias as a user no I
across as a hit my bias as a user no I don’t know but as a user it’s not as a
don’t know but as a user it’s not as a
don’t know but as a user it’s not as a user I’m fully on the side of the
user I’m fully on the side of the
user I’m fully on the side of the YouTube in the nap sirs but I’m just
YouTube in the nap sirs but I’m just
YouTube in the nap sirs but I’m just saying I try not to be a hypocrite I try
saying I try not to be a hypocrite I try
saying I try not to be a hypocrite I try to see both sides of the argument my
to see both sides of the argument my
to see both sides of the argument my point is I I’m not siding with the
point is I I’m not siding with the
point is I I’m not siding with the traditional media companies even though
traditional media companies even though
traditional media companies even though like I have a vested interest to not
like I have a vested interest to not
like I have a vested interest to not piss off the media companies who are
piss off the media companies who are
piss off the media companies who are partners but I would just sort of speak
partners but I would just sort of speak
partners but I would just sort of speak to them and say you guys you know I
to them and say you guys you know I
to them and say you guys you know I understand their approach it’s very very
understand their approach it’s very very
understand their approach it’s very very draconian it’s like the first strike you
draconian it’s like the first strike you
draconian it’s like the first strike you know philosophy but my point is the VCS
know philosophy but my point is the VCS
know philosophy but my point is the VCS who are against this need to understand
who are against this need to understand
who are against this need to understand why the media companies are doing this
why the media companies are doing this
why the media companies are doing this because they’re basically doing exactly
because they’re basically doing exactly
because they’re basically doing exactly what the tech firms did which is they
what the tech firms did which is they
what the tech firms did which is they said we’re gonna unleash all these
said we’re gonna unleash all these
said we’re gonna unleash all these disruptive tools out there and we don’t
disruptive tools out there and we don’t
disruptive tools out there and we don’t care what okay you know what disruptive
care what okay you know what disruptive
care what okay you know what disruptive Tebow’s disrupted because with tebow i
Tebow’s disrupted because with tebow i
Tebow’s disrupted because with tebow i can capture a show and then have the
can capture a show and then have the
can capture a show and then have the file top yeah but of no one’s going over
file top yeah but of no one’s going over
file top yeah but of no one’s going over them because T was already becoming like
them because T was already becoming like
them because T was already becoming like almost passed so one of those that i
almost passed so one of those that i
almost passed so one of those that i know but like that kind of technology is
know but like that kind of technology is
know but like that kind of technology is still a disruptive tool at the end of
still a disruptive tool at the end of
still a disruptive tool at the end of the day it was the user who recorded the
the day it was the user who recorded the
the day it was the user who recorded the stuff which is a pseudo copyright
stuff which is a pseudo copyright
stuff which is a pseudo copyright infringement then they uploaded it and
infringement then they uploaded it and
infringement then they uploaded it and shared it and distribute it to other
shared it and distribute it to other
shared it and distribute it to other people like that’s that’s the user the
people like that’s that’s the user the
people like that’s that’s the user the individual user crossing the line not
individual user crossing the line not
individual user crossing the line not the youtube okay and it’s expensive as
the youtube okay and it’s expensive as
the youtube okay and it’s expensive as it is and as much as an economic
it is and as much as an economic
it is and as much as an economic incentive as they have I think this is
incentive as they have I think this is
incentive as they have I think this is goes very much beyond just misguided I
goes very much beyond just misguided I
goes very much beyond just misguided I think it’s like a grotesquely litigious
think it’s like a grotesquely litigious
think it’s like a grotesquely litigious okay I just want to finish off a few
okay I just want to finish off a few
okay I just want to finish off a few points to make sure Mike my position is
points to make sure Mike my position is
points to make sure Mike my position is secure one investor Fred Wilson who’s
secure one investor Fred Wilson who’s
secure one investor Fred Wilson who’s one of the nicest DC’s out there not
one of the nicest DC’s out there not
one of the nicest DC’s out there not like the evil vc that you hear a very
like the evil vc that you hear a very
like the evil vc that you hear a very generous with this time and I do commend
generous with this time and I do commend
generous with this time and I do commend them for basically trying to bring a
them for basically trying to bring a
them for basically trying to bring a spotlight on to this
spotlight on to this
spotlight on to this his main point and I think this is what
his main point and I think this is what
his main point and I think this is what I at least want to relay I mean it’s
I at least want to relay I mean it’s
I at least want to relay I mean it’s good to play devil’s advocate but at
good to play devil’s advocate but at
good to play devil’s advocate but at some point i’m in favor of those against
some point i’m in favor of those against
some point i’m in favor of those against these bills he does say that you know at
these bills he does say that you know at
these bills he does say that you know at the end of the day the DMCA does work I
the end of the day the DMCA does work I
the end of the day the DMCA does work I will just add that it might not be
will just add that it might not be
will just add that it might not be perfect and it’s not what the media
perfect and it’s not what the media
perfect and it’s not what the media companies work but it does work and he
companies work but it does work and he
companies work but it does work and he basically argues that look at the jobs
basically argues that look at the jobs
basically argues that look at the jobs that the tech firms have created over
that the tech firms have created over
that the tech firms have created over the last two decades and I would say
the last two decades and I would say
the last two decades and I would say yeah if you probably look at the stats
yeah if you probably look at the stats
yeah if you probably look at the stats those jobs created probably far outweigh
those jobs created probably far outweigh
those jobs created probably far outweigh the jobs lost by traditional media
the jobs lost by traditional media
the jobs lost by traditional media companies so at the end of the day the
companies so at the end of the day the
companies so at the end of the day the net impact to society because of the
net impact to society because of the
net impact to society because of the DMCA is positive so I think that’s the
DMCA is positive so I think that’s the
DMCA is positive so I think that’s the main argument here just one last thing
main argument here just one last thing
main argument here just one last thing now on this and then we can move on now
now on this and then we can move on now
now on this and then we can move on now I do think though that you know both
I do think though that you know both
I do think though that you know both sides interestingly have been driven by
sides interestingly have been driven by
sides interestingly have been driven by greed and fear initially I would say the
greed and fear initially I would say the
greed and fear initially I would say the tech firms and the VCS were driven by
tech firms and the VCS were driven by
tech firms and the VCS were driven by greed by unleashing these tools and
greed by unleashing these tools and
greed by unleashing these tools and saying I will worry about the result
saying I will worry about the result
saying I will worry about the result later and then the media companies were
later and then the media companies were
later and then the media companies were driven by fear like oh my god I’m gonna
driven by fear like oh my god I’m gonna
driven by fear like oh my god I’m gonna have less money to basically eat shrimp
have less money to basically eat shrimp
have less money to basically eat shrimp and cocktails and champagne and now that
and cocktails and champagne and now that
and cocktails and champagne and now that these bills have been drafted and it
these bills have been drafted and it
these bills have been drafted and it scares the living daylights out of the
scares the living daylights out of the
scares the living daylights out of the tech firms it’s almost like the opposite
tech firms it’s almost like the opposite
tech firms it’s almost like the opposite where the tech companies are now being
where the tech companies are now being
where the tech companies are now being driven by fear and the VCS are being
driven by fear and the VCS are being
driven by fear and the VCS are being driven by fear and the Tet and the
driven by fear and the Tet and the
driven by fear and the Tet and the traditional media companies all said and
traditional media companies all said and
traditional media companies all said and there are the greedy ones who are like
there are the greedy ones who are like
there are the greedy ones who are like oh my god we can destroy the internet
oh my god we can destroy the internet
oh my god we can destroy the internet and take everything back but at the end
and take everything back but at the end
and take everything back but at the end of the day I think look at all the great
of the day I think look at all the great
of the day I think look at all the great things that you know the Internet is
things that you know the Internet is
things that you know the Internet is done and the world wide web is done I
done and the world wide web is done I
done and the world wide web is done I don’t understand how anybody including
don’t understand how anybody including
don’t understand how anybody including the traditional media companies could
the traditional media companies could
the traditional media companies could actually be in favor of this I don’t
actually be in favor of this I don’t
actually be in favor of this I don’t think they expect this to pass I don’t
think they expect this to pass I don’t
think they expect this to pass I don’t even think they want this to pass but I
even think they want this to pass but I
even think they want this to pass but I think they want to use a very very hard
think they want to use a very very hard
think they want to use a very very hard tactic with the tech and VC community to
tactic with the tech and VC community to
tactic with the tech and VC community to say you guys have to play ball now I
say you guys have to play ball now I
say you guys have to play ball now I will just say this if this does become
will just say this if this does become
will just say this if this does become long and the DMCA blows up they should
long and the DMCA blows up they should
long and the DMCA blows up they should be careful because i think the
be careful because i think the
be careful because i think the uncertainty could be far greater and it
uncertainty could be far greater and it
uncertainty could be far greater and it reminds her of that expression better
reminds her of that expression better
reminds her of that expression better the devil you know than the devil you
the devil you know than the devil you
the devil you know than the devil you don’t know and i do think that if the
don’t know and i do think that if the
don’t know and i do think that if the DMCA is blown up then you’re going to
DMCA is blown up then you’re going to
DMCA is blown up then you’re going to see like when when they killed Napster
see like when when they killed Napster
see like when when they killed Napster what happened cazal came around all
what happened cazal came around all
what happened cazal came around all these things came around that were far
these things came around that were far
these things came around that were far far wilder and harder to contain the
far wilder and harder to contain the
far wilder and harder to contain the Napster ever was so I think history
Napster ever was so I think history
Napster ever was so I think history repeats itself and the traditional media
repeats itself and the traditional media
repeats itself and the traditional media companies should be careful we’re gonna
companies should be careful we’re gonna
companies should be careful we’re gonna take a short break come back for
take a short break come back for
take a short break come back for lightning round
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