welcome to show 13 of hip mojo on your host ash can cover solution and I’m CT
host ash can cover solution and I’m CT
host ash can cover solution and I’m CT more and this week we’re going to be
more and this week we’re going to be
more and this week we’re going to be talking about a whole bunch of things
talking about a whole bunch of things
talking about a whole bunch of things women in tech or the lack thereof the
women in tech or the lack thereof the
women in tech or the lack thereof the lack thereof some new laws pertaining to
lack thereof some new laws pertaining to
lack thereof some new laws pertaining to content and distribution online let’s
content and distribution online let’s
content and distribution online let’s get started all right so uh last week we
get started all right so uh last week we
get started all right so uh last week we did this thing we were talking about you
did this thing we were talking about you
did this thing we were talking about you know the the talismans attack who might
know the the talismans attack who might
know the the talismans attack who might replace steve jobs as the people that as
replace steve jobs as the people that as
replace steve jobs as the people that as the person that everyone looks to for
the person that everyone looks to for
the person that everyone looks to for envisioning the future you got a little
envisioning the future you got a little
envisioning the future you got a little bit of feedback around it specifically
bit of feedback around it specifically
bit of feedback around it specifically why weren’t there any women on the list
why weren’t there any women on the list
why weren’t there any women on the list so so tell us what happened well
so so tell us what happened well
so so tell us what happened well basically i think that the reason the
basically i think that the reason the
basically i think that the reason the article wasn’t so much like you know
article wasn’t so much like you know
article wasn’t so much like you know great woman a great people in tech or
great woman a great people in tech or
great woman a great people in tech or insightful people in tech it was really
insightful people in tech it was really
insightful people in tech it was really who the media is going to look to as the
who the media is going to look to as the
who the media is going to look to as the next sort of leader or voice the guiding
next sort of leader or voice the guiding
next sort of leader or voice the guiding light and i actually think that you know
light and i actually think that you know
light and i actually think that you know let’s not kid ourselves society is both
let’s not kid ourselves society is both
let’s not kid ourselves society is both racist and sexist and the media captures
racist and sexist and the media captures
racist and sexist and the media captures that actually quite well i think there’s
that actually quite well i think there’s
that actually quite well i think there’s a double standard both for and against
a double standard both for and against
a double standard both for and against women sometimes a conference planner or
women sometimes a conference planner or
women sometimes a conference planner or a magazine publisher will put a woman on
a magazine publisher will put a woman on
a magazine publisher will put a woman on the cover even if it’s like a business
the cover even if it’s like a business
the cover even if it’s like a business publishing company just because it suits
publishing company just because it suits
publishing company just because it suits their interest and then other times you
their interest and then other times you
their interest and then other times you know if a woman does something she will
know if a woman does something she will
know if a woman does something she will never be forgiven whereas a man will
never be forgiven whereas a man will
never be forgiven whereas a man will just be given the carte blanche to go on
just be given the carte blanche to go on
just be given the carte blanche to go on and you know there’s plenty of examples
and you know there’s plenty of examples
and you know there’s plenty of examples carol bartz unfairly vilified Carly
carol bartz unfairly vilified Carly
carol bartz unfairly vilified Carly Fiorina Meg Whitman I’m not saying these
Fiorina Meg Whitman I’m not saying these
Fiorina Meg Whitman I’m not saying these people have not made mistakes but the
people have not made mistakes but the
people have not made mistakes but the kind of mistakes they did if they were a
kind of mistakes they did if they were a
kind of mistakes they did if they were a man it would be like forgotten but
man it would be like forgotten but
man it would be like forgotten but because they’re woman it’s like oh my
because they’re woman it’s like oh my
because they’re woman it’s like oh my god this crazy-ass person should never
god this crazy-ass person should never
god this crazy-ass person should never you know be given the keys to a board
you know be given the keys to a board
you know be given the keys to a board room again and I think that that there’s
room again and I think that that there’s
room again and I think that that there’s a double standard I was actually very
a double standard I was actually very
a double standard I was actually very open about that and the point of my
open about that and the point of my
open about that and the point of my article was let’s be candid it’s like
article was let’s be candid it’s like
article was let’s be candid it’s like the affirmative action thing either you
the affirmative action thing either you
the affirmative action thing either you know we should realize that woman’s
know we should realize that woman’s
know we should realize that woman’s accomplishments should be amplified
accomplishments should be amplified
accomplishments should be amplified tenfold to account for that sexism which
tenfold to account for that sexism which
tenfold to account for that sexism which i think is wrong or we should measure
i think is wrong or we should measure
i think is wrong or we should measure everyone’s accomplishments evenly and
everyone’s accomplishments evenly and
everyone’s accomplishments evenly and you know not give preferential treatment
you know not give preferential treatment
you know not give preferential treatment so the point was I don’t think that any
so the point was I don’t think that any
so the point was I don’t think that any member
member
member the media is going to really think that
the media is going to really think that
the media is going to really think that a woman would be the next talisman
a woman would be the next talisman
a woman would be the next talisman because there might be a woman number
because there might be a woman number
because there might be a woman number you know 50s to but there would be
you know 50s to but there would be
you know 50s to but there would be probably 50 ml before her which I know
probably 50 ml before her which I know
probably 50 ml before her which I know it’s not what you want to hear but but
it’s not what you want to hear but but
it’s not what you want to hear but but it’s the truth right so so you were just
it’s the truth right so so you were just
it’s the truth right so so you were just simply you know highlighting the fact
simply you know highlighting the fact
simply you know highlighting the fact that them you don’t think it’s likely
that them you don’t think it’s likely
that them you don’t think it’s likely that a media would grab on to any woman
that a media would grab on to any woman
that a media would grab on to any woman because you can’t think of one in a role
because you can’t think of one in a role
because you can’t think of one in a role that the media would find sexy unless
that the media would find sexy unless
that the media would find sexy unless they wanted to say look yours a woman
they wanted to say look yours a woman
they wanted to say look yours a woman Marissa Meyer at Google Sheryl Sandberg
Marissa Meyer at Google Sheryl Sandberg
Marissa Meyer at Google Sheryl Sandberg at Facebook these are all great smart
at Facebook these are all great smart
at Facebook these are all great smart accomplished people but it’s like
accomplished people but it’s like
accomplished people but it’s like somebody said well why is in Sheryl
somebody said well why is in Sheryl
somebody said well why is in Sheryl Sandberg on the list I said well Eric
Sandberg on the list I said well Eric
Sandberg on the list I said well Eric Schmidt is so Sheryl Sandberg coo of
Schmidt is so Sheryl Sandberg coo of
Schmidt is so Sheryl Sandberg coo of facebook former VP at Google I said well
facebook former VP at Google I said well
facebook former VP at Google I said well Eric Schmidt isn’t on the list like are
Eric Schmidt isn’t on the list like are
Eric Schmidt isn’t on the list like are you going to tell me that Cheryl is more
you going to tell me that Cheryl is more
you going to tell me that Cheryl is more deserving than Eric unless you want to
deserving than Eric unless you want to
deserving than Eric unless you want to put a woman and that’s the objective
put a woman and that’s the objective
put a woman and that’s the objective which and goes back to your point in
which and goes back to your point in
which and goes back to your point in which case the media is like yeah
which case the media is like yeah
which case the media is like yeah reverse sexism yeah reverses um you know
reverse sexism yeah reverses um you know
reverse sexism yeah reverses um you know it’s weird though when you when you see
it’s weird though when you when you see
it’s weird though when you when you see all these startups come along that are
all these startups come along that are
all these startups come along that are supposed to disrupt that space or
supposed to disrupt that space or
supposed to disrupt that space or disrupt whatever space and granted most
disrupt whatever space and granted most
disrupt whatever space and granted most of them like fall out of the limelight
of them like fall out of the limelight
of them like fall out of the limelight after a year the the funny thing is is
after a year the the funny thing is is
after a year the the funny thing is is all the founders at the head of these
all the founders at the head of these
all the founders at the head of these startups they tend to be men for the
startups they tend to be men for the
startups they tend to be men for the most part why do you think that is why
most part why do you think that is why
most part why do you think that is why do you think women aren’t pushing
do you think women aren’t pushing
do you think women aren’t pushing themselves to be you know tech
themselves to be you know tech
themselves to be you know tech entrepreneurs okay well that’s a great
entrepreneurs okay well that’s a great
entrepreneurs okay well that’s a great question I think the bigger this is
question I think the bigger this is
question I think the bigger this is something that one of them you know a
something that one of them you know a
something that one of them you know a lot of people on Twitter initially a lot
lot of people on Twitter initially a lot
lot of people on Twitter initially a lot of lady readers were like what the hell
of lady readers were like what the hell
of lady readers were like what the hell you know ash is basically saying we’re
you know ash is basically saying we’re
you know ash is basically saying we’re not worthy and I said no one I explained
not worthy and I said no one I explained
not worthy and I said no one I explained them and then a lot of them came around
them and then a lot of them came around
them and then a lot of them came around they even did a follow up explaining i
they even did a follow up explaining i
they even did a follow up explaining i think most of them were like okay you
think most of them were like okay you
think most of them were like okay you know this is he’s he’s not a sexist pig
know this is he’s he’s not a sexist pig
know this is he’s he’s not a sexist pig basically but one of the critiques uh I
basically but one of the critiques uh I
basically but one of the critiques uh I think hit it hit the nail on the head
think hit it hit the nail on the head
think hit it hit the nail on the head and she said you know she actually took
and she said you know she actually took
and she said you know she actually took the time to deconstruct the initial list
the time to deconstruct the initial list
the time to deconstruct the initial list and she said most of the guys on this
and she said most of the guys on this
and she said most of the guys on this list are inventors or you know
list are inventors or you know
list are inventors or you know programmers or whatever and what she
programmers or whatever and what she
programmers or whatever and what she realized was that sorry what she
realized was that sorry what she
realized was that sorry what she realized was that there was a lack of
realized was that there was a lack of
realized was that there was a lack of women entrepreneurs there was a lack of
women entrepreneurs there was a lack of
women entrepreneurs there was a lack of women sort of founders that there’s a
women sort of founders that there’s a
women sort of founders that there’s a lot of and I understand this too
lot of and I understand this too
lot of and I understand this too sometimes you want to bring in a woman
sometimes you want to bring in a woman
sometimes you want to bring in a woman caretaker because there’s less ego
caretaker because there’s less ego
caretaker because there’s less ego involved and sometimes there’s more ego
involved and sometimes there’s more ego
involved and sometimes there’s more ego but sometimes it’s just about you know
but sometimes it’s just about you know
but sometimes it’s just about you know getting a company from point A to point
getting a company from point A to point
getting a company from point A to point B whereas there’s a lack now yesterday
B whereas there’s a lack now yesterday
B whereas there’s a lack now yesterday we heard that who was at Sheryl Sandberg
we heard that who was at Sheryl Sandberg
we heard that who was at Sheryl Sandberg as
as
as well as someone else who I’m forgetting
well as someone else who I’m forgetting
well as someone else who I’m forgetting which is a shame and i’ll mention it but
which is a shame and i’ll mention it but
which is a shame and i’ll mention it but they basically back this new sort of on
they basically back this new sort of on
they basically back this new sort of on you know this new organization that
you know this new organization that
you know this new organization that helps women become entrepreneurs i think
helps women become entrepreneurs i think
helps women become entrepreneurs i think that is the critical missing path i
that is the critical missing path i
that is the critical missing path i think that initial risk taking is very
think that initial risk taking is very
think that initial risk taking is very hard I i personally also think the
hard I i personally also think the
hard I i personally also think the generations have changed like 10 years
generations have changed like 10 years
generations have changed like 10 years ago and I got into new media you know
ago and I got into new media you know
ago and I got into new media you know what there wasn’t that many women you
what there wasn’t that many women you
what there wasn’t that many women you know especially in text side in
know especially in text side in
know especially in text side in marketing that’s why I go to marketing
marketing that’s why I go to marketing
marketing that’s why I go to marketing conferences or so many women it’s very
conferences or so many women it’s very
conferences or so many women it’s very varied you get different perspectives
varied you get different perspectives
varied you get different perspectives and all that but I think within the next
and all that but I think within the next
and all that but I think within the next generation it won’t even really be felt
generation it won’t even really be felt
generation it won’t even really be felt they’ll still be some lingering sexism
they’ll still be some lingering sexism
they’ll still be some lingering sexism and bias and prejudice but it’s really
and bias and prejudice but it’s really
and bias and prejudice but it’s really changing fast but my point the point of
changing fast but my point the point of
changing fast but my point the point of this critique was that that’s the last
this critique was that that’s the last
this critique was that that’s the last sort of mile that women have to address
sort of mile that women have to address
sort of mile that women have to address you do need more entrepreneurs and part
you do need more entrepreneurs and part
you do need more entrepreneurs and part of that I think is you know only in San
of that I think is you know only in San
of that I think is you know only in San Francisco is risk-taking really really
Francisco is risk-taking really really
Francisco is risk-taking really really valued and more and more in New York to
valued and more and more in New York to
valued and more and more in New York to most places people think you’re crazy to
most places people think you’re crazy to
most places people think you’re crazy to start a company and let’s face it women
start a company and let’s face it women
start a company and let’s face it women have this general personal development
have this general personal development
have this general personal development path that means that they eventually
path that means that they eventually
path that means that they eventually need to get married and have kids which
need to get married and have kids which
need to get married and have kids which I know it is whether its nature or
I know it is whether its nature or
I know it is whether its nature or nurture yeah for the most part women
nurture yeah for the most part women
nurture yeah for the most part women tend to be more risk adverse than men in
tend to be more risk adverse than men in
tend to be more risk adverse than men in Western societies also because women
Western societies also because women
Western societies also because women eventually I think are you know
eventually I think are you know
eventually I think are you know conditioned to think I have to get
conditioned to think I have to get
conditioned to think I have to get married I have to have kids and you know
married I have to have kids and you know
married I have to have kids and you know what like I started watch module six
what like I started watch module six
what like I started watch module six years ago well if three years ago my
years ago well if three years ago my
years ago well if three years ago my wife sort of start the company with me
wife sort of start the company with me
wife sort of start the company with me she had the opportunity to leave and go
she had the opportunity to leave and go
she had the opportunity to leave and go start having kids and even though she’s
start having kids and even though she’s
start having kids and even though she’s still involved and sometimes too much
still involved and sometimes too much
still involved and sometimes too much for my lucky i’m joking the company I
for my lucky i’m joking the company I
for my lucky i’m joking the company I just think yeah I just think it’s
just think yeah I just think it’s
just think yeah I just think it’s impossible for a man and a woman to have
impossible for a man and a woman to have
impossible for a man and a woman to have the same expectation and this is you
the same expectation and this is you
the same expectation and this is you know I threw in all these Gloria Steinem
know I threw in all these Gloria Steinem
know I threw in all these Gloria Steinem quotes to sort of not as a token you
quotes to sort of not as a token you
quotes to sort of not as a token you know to disarm the audience is it yeah
know to disarm the audience is it yeah
know to disarm the audience is it yeah that’s a little cheesy but I was like
that’s a little cheesy but I was like
that’s a little cheesy but I was like here you don’t like get out of jail for
here you don’t like get out of jail for
here you don’t like get out of jail for free card but the point is you don’t
free card but the point is you don’t
free card but the point is you don’t want women to start being men there’s
want women to start being men there’s
want women to start being men there’s it’s great to be different women are
it’s great to be different women are
it’s great to be different women are different than men and and some aspects
different than men and and some aspects
different than men and and some aspects are better some aspects are worse but I
are better some aspects are worse but I
are better some aspects are worse but I just think that if women do want to have
just think that if women do want to have
just think that if women do want to have kids I Got News for You having the
kids I Got News for You having the
kids I Got News for You having the company is going to disrupt that plan is
company is going to disrupt that plan is
company is going to disrupt that plan is it sexist to say that is it realistic to
it sexist to say that is it realistic to
it sexist to say that is it realistic to say that I don’t know but if any woman
say that I don’t know but if any woman
say that I don’t know but if any woman goes out there saying I’m going to start
goes out there saying I’m going to start
goes out there saying I’m going to start a company and in two and a half years
a company and in two and a half years
a company and in two and a half years i’m going to take time off to start a
i’m going to take time off to start a
i’m going to take time off to start a family it ain’t going to happen and
family it ain’t going to happen and
family it ain’t going to happen and somebody should tell you maybe not your
somebody should tell you maybe not your
somebody should tell you maybe not your feminism teacher but i’ll tell you it’s
feminism teacher but i’ll tell you it’s
feminism teacher but i’ll tell you it’s funny you you bring
funny you you bring
funny you you bring the family aspect into it because I
the family aspect into it because I
the family aspect into it because I wonder how many male tech entrepreneurs
wonder how many male tech entrepreneurs
wonder how many male tech entrepreneurs actually have families I don’t know that
actually have families I don’t know that
actually have families I don’t know that Steve job had Steve Jobs yes Steve Jobs
Steve job had Steve Jobs yes Steve Jobs
Steve job had Steve Jobs yes Steve Jobs had a kid that he basically disowned and
had a kid that he basically disowned and
had a kid that he basically disowned and then he had a couple more kids with his
then he had a couple more kids with his
then he had a couple more kids with his you know and the last thing he wanted to
you know and the last thing he wanted to
you know and the last thing he wanted to do was actually get closer to them and
do was actually get closer to them and
do was actually get closer to them and be a better father but overall he
be a better father but overall he
be a better father but overall he actually led a pretty balanced life even
actually led a pretty balanced life even
actually led a pretty balanced life even though it was a workaholic like he
though it was a workaholic like he
though it was a workaholic like he didn’t want to become one of those
didn’t want to become one of those
didn’t want to become one of those bizarro tech billionaires you know he
bizarro tech billionaires you know he
bizarro tech billionaires you know he lived in a fairly normal nice home but
lived in a fairly normal nice home but
lived in a fairly normal nice home but fairly normal home listen at the end of
fairly normal home listen at the end of
fairly normal home listen at the end of the day there’s 24 you know hours in a
the day there’s 24 you know hours in a
the day there’s 24 you know hours in a day 7 days you do have to pick and
day 7 days you do have to pick and
day 7 days you do have to pick and choose your battles the the line i would
choose your battles the the line i would
choose your battles the the line i would like to sort of close out and then we go
like to sort of close out and then we go
like to sort of close out and then we go to next segment is a lot of people
to next segment is a lot of people
to next segment is a lot of people sacrifice their health and health
sacrifice their health and health
sacrifice their health and health includes happiness and family and
includes happiness and family and
includes happiness and family and balance for wealth and then once they
balance for wealth and then once they
balance for wealth and then once they accumulate well they spend it on trying
accumulate well they spend it on trying
accumulate well they spend it on trying to regain their exactly right so i want
to regain their exactly right so i want
to regain their exactly right so i want to say finish it on this point being an
to say finish it on this point being an
to say finish it on this point being an entrepreneur it’s not a you know 925
entrepreneur it’s not a you know 925
entrepreneur it’s not a you know 925 kind of gig it’s a full-on you know
kind of gig it’s a full-on you know
kind of gig it’s a full-on you know total war crazy thing women can do it
total war crazy thing women can do it
total war crazy thing women can do it sometimes better than men some men are
sometimes better than men some men are
sometimes better than men some men are suck at it but i have two daughters and
suck at it but i have two daughters and
suck at it but i have two daughters and i’m at a point where I’m like you know
i’m at a point where I’m like you know
i’m at a point where I’m like you know what I would never trade off being a
what I would never trade off being a
what I would never trade off being a father for being a better entrepreneur
father for being a better entrepreneur
father for being a better entrepreneur it sort of I have to learn to balance
it sort of I have to learn to balance
it sort of I have to learn to balance both and there’s virtues and what I do
both and there’s virtues and what I do
both and there’s virtues and what I do what I would not like to see as a father
what I would not like to see as a father
what I would not like to see as a father of two girls is for society to get to
of two girls is for society to get to
of two girls is for society to get to the point where we all all of a sudden
the point where we all all of a sudden
the point where we all all of a sudden start devaluing just having a family and
start devaluing just having a family and
start devaluing just having a family and raising kids you know and then we sort
raising kids you know and then we sort
raising kids you know and then we sort of get all these women who are crazy
of get all these women who are crazy
of get all these women who are crazy driven to be entrepreneurs and and at
driven to be entrepreneurs and and at
driven to be entrepreneurs and and at the end you know they live they live a
the end you know they live they live a
the end you know they live they live a more hollow existence so this is
more hollow existence so this is
more hollow existence so this is probably gonna sound very sexist a lot
probably gonna sound very sexist a lot
probably gonna sound very sexist a lot of feminine already did it are you did
of feminine already did it are you did
of feminine already did it are you did but I just think like there is merit and
but I just think like there is merit and
but I just think like there is merit and virtue into just having a kid and
virtue into just having a kid and
virtue into just having a kid and raising that kid and being a good parent
raising that kid and being a good parent
raising that kid and being a good parent and as much as I try to be there at home
and as much as I try to be there at home
and as much as I try to be there at home and do all that stuff you know I Got
and do all that stuff you know I Got
and do all that stuff you know I Got News for You babies they prefer their
News for You babies they prefer their
News for You babies they prefer their mother it’s just there’s our connection
mother it’s just there’s our connection
mother it’s just there’s our connection so I just think like we need to put this
so I just think like we need to put this
so I just think like we need to put this discussion of technology and startups
discussion of technology and startups
discussion of technology and startups and the sort of you know bad sense of
and the sort of you know bad sense of
and the sort of you know bad sense of objectives and moral compass we need to
objectives and moral compass we need to
objectives and moral compass we need to put this back into the greater context
put this back into the greater context
put this back into the greater context of life and family well I think it’s
of life and family well I think it’s
of life and family well I think it’s also important to say that women making
also important to say that women making
also important to say that women making these lists it’s it’s more of a symptom
these lists it’s it’s more of a symptom
these lists it’s it’s more of a symptom rather than a cause you know people are
rather than a cause you know people are
rather than a cause you know people are less likely to take women seriously p
less likely to take women seriously p
less likely to take women seriously p women for whatever reason are less
women for whatever reason are less
women for whatever reason are less likely to take the risk to become
likely to take the risk to become
likely to take the risk to become entrepreneurs and that’s why they don’t
entrepreneurs and that’s why they don’t
entrepreneurs and that’s why they don’t end up on the list
end up on the list
end up on the list as much as yeah my personal take all
as much as yeah my personal take all
as much as yeah my personal take all right so Laura the truth will set you
right so Laura the truth will set you
right so Laura the truth will set you free but it first will piss you off I
free but it first will piss you off I
free but it first will piss you off I said anything all right I’ve like a
said anything all right I’ve like a
said anything all right I’ve like a short break we’ll come back and round
short break we’ll come back and round
short break we’ll come back and round two and what we’re going to say in round
two and what we’re going to say in round
two and what we’re going to say in round 2 my piss you off even more than round
2 my piss you off even more than round
2 my piss you off even more than round one
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