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Why sustainability is central to business education | Tiiram Sunderland | TEDxLondonBusinessSchool


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so as you’ve heard I’m a student at

so as you’ve heard I’m a student at London Business School but maybe not

London Business School but maybe not

London Business School but maybe not your typical student

your typical student

your typical student you see before I came to London Business

you see before I came to London Business

you see before I came to London Business School I was a bit suspicious of this

School I was a bit suspicious of this

School I was a bit suspicious of this thing called business and as a young

thing called business and as a young

thing called business and as a young climate policymaker in Australia I’d

climate policymaker in Australia I’d

climate policymaker in Australia I’d encountered my fair share of corporate

encountered my fair share of corporate

encountered my fair share of corporate push back as weas tried to make progress

push back as weas tried to make progress

push back as weas tried to make progress on climate action and yet over time my

on climate action and yet over time my

on climate action and yet over time my views have evolved and the more I’ve

views have evolved and the more I’ve

views have evolved and the more I’ve worked on the climate challenge the more

worked on the climate challenge the more

worked on the climate challenge the more have become convinced that in addition

have become convinced that in addition

have become convinced that in addition to government and civil society business

to government and civil society business

to government and civil society business will be an absolutely critical player

will be an absolutely critical player

will be an absolutely critical player when it comes to addressing the climate

when it comes to addressing the climate

when it comes to addressing the climate issue and so two years ago

issue and so two years ago

issue and so two years ago I packed up my comfortable public

I packed up my comfortable public

I packed up my comfortable public servant life and head off for Business

servant life and head off for Business

servant life and head off for Business School in London and it’s important to

School in London and it’s important to

School in London and it’s important to say here that on the whole my experience

say here that on the whole my experience

say here that on the whole my experience has been fantastic I’ve learned an

has been fantastic I’ve learned an

has been fantastic I’ve learned an incredible amount and met amazing

incredible amount and met amazing

incredible amount and met amazing students staff and teachers along the

students staff and teachers along the

students staff and teachers along the way and yet despite these many positive

way and yet despite these many positive

way and yet despite these many positive experiences there’s just one small

experiences there’s just one small

experiences there’s just one small question that I can’t shake is Business

question that I can’t shake is Business

question that I can’t shake is Business School failing my generation as you’re

School failing my generation as you’re

School failing my generation as you’re probably imagining this question relates

probably imagining this question relates

probably imagining this question relates to the subject of climate change but

to the subject of climate change but

to the subject of climate change but maybe not in the way you’re thinking and

maybe not in the way you’re thinking and

maybe not in the way you’re thinking and so for the remainder of this talk I want

so for the remainder of this talk I want

so for the remainder of this talk I want us to put aside any thoughts of natural

us to put aside any thoughts of natural

us to put aside any thoughts of natural disasters or polar bears and coral reefs

disasters or polar bears and coral reefs

disasters or polar bears and coral reefs in fact the first thing I want you all

in fact the first thing I want you all

in fact the first thing I want you all to do is to join me in a little exercise

to do is to join me in a little exercise

to do is to join me in a little exercise I want you to close your eyes for a

I want you to close your eyes for a

I want you to close your eyes for a moment and look inside of yourself and I

moment and look inside of yourself and I

moment and look inside of yourself and I want you to find your own personal moral

want you to find your own personal moral

want you to find your own personal moral compass you got it okay great now I want

compass you got it okay great now I want

compass you got it okay great now I want you to take your hand grab hold of it

you to take your hand grab hold of it

you to take your hand grab hold of it and yank it outside of you for some of

and yank it outside of you for some of

and yank it outside of you for some of that might that might mean using two

that might that might mean using two

that might that might mean using two hands if you’re particularly stubborn

hands if you’re particularly stubborn

hands if you’re particularly stubborn for others it might come out rather

for others it might come out rather

for others it might come out rather easily and maybe there’s something to

easily and maybe there’s something to

easily and maybe there’s something to worry about there

worry about there

worry about there so take it out and put it aside maybe in

so take it out and put it aside maybe in

so take it out and put it aside maybe in your bag or somewhere you know where it

your bag or somewhere you know where it

your bag or somewhere you know where it is

is

is in case you want to put it back at the

in case you want to put it back at the

in case you want to put it back at the end of this talk now this is important

end of this talk now this is important

end of this talk now this is important because for the rest of my talk I’m

because for the rest of my talk I’m

because for the rest of my talk I’m convinced that we don’t have any need

convinced that we don’t have any need

convinced that we don’t have any need for morality and this is because what I

for morality and this is because what I

for morality and this is because what I want to talk about today is not how

want to talk about today is not how

want to talk about today is not how business can affect climate change or

business can affect climate change or

business can affect climate change or the environment what I want to talk

the environment what I want to talk

the environment what I want to talk about is how climate change or more

about is how climate change or more

about is how climate change or more specifically action to address climate

specifically action to address climate

specifically action to address climate change will affect business and why I

change will affect business and why I

change will affect business and why I believe that this is something that

believe that this is something that

believe that this is something that every business school student should be

every business school student should be

every business school student should be aware of so what do I mean when I say

aware of so what do I mean when I say

aware of so what do I mean when I say how climate change or climate action

how climate change or climate action

how climate change or climate action will affect business as many of you may

will affect business as many of you may

will affect business as many of you may know in December 2015

know in December 2015

know in December 2015 leaders and representatives of 195

leaders and representatives of 195

leaders and representatives of 195 governments got together and agreed on a

governments got together and agreed on a

governments got together and agreed on a plan to decarbonize the economy to keep

plan to decarbonize the economy to keep

plan to decarbonize the economy to keep warming below two degrees now there is

warming below two degrees now there is

warming below two degrees now there is legitimate debate to be had as to

legitimate debate to be had as to

legitimate debate to be had as to whether we have any chance or any will

whether we have any chance or any will

whether we have any chance or any will to deliver on this Paris agreement but

to deliver on this Paris agreement but

to deliver on this Paris agreement but for today I want you to all join me in

for today I want you to all join me in

for today I want you to all join me in imagining that we will and if we do what

imagining that we will and if we do what

imagining that we will and if we do what does this mean for business well at the

does this mean for business well at the

does this mean for business well at the heart of the Paris agreement is what we

heart of the Paris agreement is what we

heart of the Paris agreement is what we call our carbon budget in order to have

call our carbon budget in order to have

call our carbon budget in order to have an 80% chance of meeting our two degree

an 80% chance of meeting our two degree

an 80% chance of meeting our two degree dahl goal the world can emit a

dahl goal the world can emit a

dahl goal the world can emit a cumulative total of 1845 Giga tons of

cumulative total of 1845 Giga tons of

cumulative total of 1845 Giga tons of carbon dioxide equivalent so how we’re

carbon dioxide equivalent so how we’re

carbon dioxide equivalent so how we’re going with that well in the hundred and

going with that well in the hundred and

going with that well in the hundred and fifty years between 1850 and 1999 we

fifty years between 1850 and 1999 we

fifty years between 1850 and 1999 we emitted 1010 Giga tons of co2 equivalent

emitted 1010 Giga tons of co2 equivalent

emitted 1010 Giga tons of co2 equivalent then in the 15 years between 2000 and

then in the 15 years between 2000 and

then in the 15 years between 2000 and 2015 we emitted another 500 gigatons

2015 we emitted another 500 gigatons

2015 we emitted another 500 gigatons unfortunately I’ve been to business

unfortunately I’ve been to business

unfortunately I’ve been to business school and I’ve learned a few things

school and I’ve learned a few things

school and I’ve learned a few things about addition and subtraction and what

about addition and subtraction and what

about addition and subtraction and what I’ve and you’ll notice is that counting

I’ve and you’ll notice is that counting

I’ve and you’ll notice is that counting all the emissions we’ve made so far what

all the emissions we’ve made so far what

all the emissions we’ve made so far what we have left is just 335 Giga tons of

we have left is just 335 Giga tons of

we have left is just 335 Giga tons of co2 to emit in the next 33 years if

co2 to emit in the next 33 years if

co2 to emit in the next 33 years if we’re to hit our goals I raise all this

we’re to hit our goals I raise all this

we’re to hit our goals I raise all this because what it means is that if we’re

because what it means is that if we’re

because what it means is that if we’re going to achieve our goal things are

going to achieve our goal things are

going to achieve our goal things are going to have to change they’re going to

going to have to change they’re going to

going to have to change they’re going to have to change an awful lot and they’re

have to change an awful lot and they’re

have to change an awful lot and they’re going to have to change quickly because

going to have to change quickly because

going to have to change quickly because at the rate we’re on in just 10 years

at the rate we’re on in just 10 years

at the rate we’re on in just 10 years we’re set to explode and blow up this

we’re set to explode and blow up this

we’re set to explode and blow up this target in fact if we look out to the

target in fact if we look out to the

target in fact if we look out to the roadmap to 2050 depending on our goals

roadmap to 2050 depending on our goals

roadmap to 2050 depending on our goals and our appetite for risk we’re looking

and our appetite for risk we’re looking

and our appetite for risk we’re looking at the need to reduce emissions by as

at the need to reduce emissions by as

at the need to reduce emissions by as much as 95% against 2010 standards so

much as 95% against 2010 standards so

much as 95% against 2010 standards so what does this mean for business and to

what does this mean for business and to

what does this mean for business and to be honest I was tempted to maybe pull

be honest I was tempted to maybe pull

be honest I was tempted to maybe pull this talk at this point when I thought

this talk at this point when I thought

this talk at this point when I thought about it because really the only

about it because really the only

about it because really the only businesses that will be affected by this

businesses that will be affected by this

businesses that will be affected by this are those that use energy or transport I

are those that use energy or transport I

are those that use energy or transport I think you’re getting my point

think you’re getting my point

think you’re getting my point with a bit of rounding errors we’re

with a bit of rounding errors we’re

with a bit of rounding errors we’re looking at around a hundred percent of

looking at around a hundred percent of

looking at around a hundred percent of businesses now the ways in which this

businesses now the ways in which this

businesses now the ways in which this will affect any given individual

will affect any given individual

will affect any given individual business will of course vary but let’s

business will of course vary but let’s

business will of course vary but let’s take one example from the International

take one example from the International

take one example from the International Energy Agency research by the IEA

Energy Agency research by the IEA

Energy Agency research by the IEA has shown that in order to meet our 2050

has shown that in order to meet our 2050

has shown that in order to meet our 2050 goal the emissions intensity of the

goal the emissions intensity of the

goal the emissions intensity of the entire industrial sector will have to

entire industrial sector will have to

entire industrial sector will have to dropped by 80% against today’s levels

dropped by 80% against today’s levels

dropped by 80% against today’s levels this is not unlike telling a company

this is not unlike telling a company

this is not unlike telling a company that today has 100 factories to produce

that today has 100 factories to produce

that today has 100 factories to produce the same output in 2050 with just 20

the same output in 2050 with just 20

the same output in 2050 with just 20 factories and from the perspective of

factories and from the perspective of

factories and from the perspective of business the idea of a rapid and

business the idea of a rapid and

business the idea of a rapid and mandatory transition to

mandatory transition to

mandatory transition to low-carbon economy should be setting off

low-carbon economy should be setting off

low-carbon economy should be setting off risk alarm bells and with any material

risk alarm bells and with any material

risk alarm bells and with any material business risk company leaders will face

business risk company leaders will face

business risk company leaders will face increasing pressure from their

increasing pressure from their

increasing pressure from their shareholders to show they’ve got a

shareholders to show they’ve got a

shareholders to show they’ve got a strategy to respond to this risk but the

strategy to respond to this risk but the

strategy to respond to this risk but the Paris agreement and our goal for a

Paris agreement and our goal for a

Paris agreement and our goal for a low-carbon future isn’t all about risks

low-carbon future isn’t all about risks

low-carbon future isn’t all about risks and challenges it also presents

and challenges it also presents

and challenges it also presents incredible opportunities to business for

incredible opportunities to business for

incredible opportunities to business for example some research was done not long

example some research was done not long

example some research was done not long ago by professors and academics from

ago by professors and academics from

ago by professors and academics from Harvard and London Business School and

Harvard and London Business School and

Harvard and London Business School and it showed that if you took $1 and you

it showed that if you took $1 and you

it showed that if you took $1 and you invested it in a portfolio of companies

invested it in a portfolio of companies

invested it in a portfolio of companies 20 years ago that were focused

20 years ago that were focused

20 years ago that were focused exclusively on profit your $1 would have

exclusively on profit your $1 would have

exclusively on profit your $1 would have grown to 14 dollars and 46 cents this is

grown to 14 dollars and 46 cents this is

grown to 14 dollars and 46 cents this is a pretty good return unless you realize

a pretty good return unless you realize

a pretty good return unless you realize that if instead you taken that same

that if instead you taken that same

that if instead you taken that same dollar and twenty years ago invested in

dollar and twenty years ago invested in

dollar and twenty years ago invested in a similar portfolio of companies that

a similar portfolio of companies that

a similar portfolio of companies that focus both on profit and also on

focus both on profit and also on

focus both on profit and also on adhering to strong environmental social

adhering to strong environmental social

adhering to strong environmental social and governance standards because if you

and governance standards because if you

and governance standards because if you did your one dollar would have instead

did your one dollar would have instead

did your one dollar would have instead grown to twenty-eight dollars and 36

grown to twenty-eight dollars and 36

grown to twenty-eight dollars and 36 cents almost doubling your return now

cents almost doubling your return now

cents almost doubling your return now this is of course a correlation and not

this is of course a correlation and not

this is of course a correlation and not causation but at the very minimum it

causation but at the very minimum it

causation but at the very minimum it shows that a company’s decision to

shows that a company’s decision to

shows that a company’s decision to engage with environmental concerns and

engage with environmental concerns and

engage with environmental concerns and sustainability is not correlated with a

sustainability is not correlated with a

sustainability is not correlated with a lowering of financial performance in

lowering of financial performance in

lowering of financial performance in fact recent research by the CDP formerly

fact recent research by the CDP formerly

fact recent research by the CDP formerly the Carbon Disclosure Project has shown

the Carbon Disclosure Project has shown

the Carbon Disclosure Project has shown that companies who have invested in

that companies who have invested in

that companies who have invested in carbon reducing activities have enjoyed

carbon reducing activities have enjoyed

carbon reducing activities have enjoyed on average an internal rate of return of

on average an internal rate of return of

on average an internal rate of return of 33 percent so whether you think of it as

33 percent so whether you think of it as

33 percent so whether you think of it as a risk or opportunity the business case

a risk or opportunity the business case

a risk or opportunity the business case for adapting to a low-carbon future is

for adapting to a low-carbon future is

for adapting to a low-carbon future is clear manage the risks reap the rewards

clear manage the risks reap the rewards

clear manage the risks reap the rewards and as a bonus your children get a

and as a bonus your children get a

and as a bonus your children get a habitable planet to live on so we’ve

habitable planet to live on so we’ve

habitable planet to live on so we’ve talked about these implications for

talked about these implications for

talked about these implications for business and now it’s time to go back to

business and now it’s time to go back to

business and now it’s time to go back to school

school

school back to business school after all this

back to business school after all this

back to business school after all this is where 42 percent of the CEOs of the

is where 42 percent of the CEOs of the

is where 42 percent of the CEOs of the two fortune 100 companies come from so

two fortune 100 companies come from so

two fortune 100 companies come from so let’s meet a typical Business School

let’s meet a typical Business School

let’s meet a typical Business School student today this is Mary in 2017 she’s

student today this is Mary in 2017 she’s

student today this is Mary in 2017 she’s 28 years old and she studied hard to

28 years old and she studied hard to

28 years old and she studied hard to secure her place in a leading business

secure her place in a leading business

secure her place in a leading business school

school

school now she’s if she passes all her exams

now she’s if she passes all her exams

now she’s if she passes all her exams and graduates she can look forward to

and graduates she can look forward to

and graduates she can look forward to working until she’s 65 or maybe 70 years

working until she’s 65 or maybe 70 years

working until she’s 65 or maybe 70 years old assuming she does her work in Korea

old assuming she does her work in Korea

old assuming she does her work in Korea will extend out until the year 2050 9 a

will extend out until the year 2050 9 a

will extend out until the year 2050 9 a date by which time as we’ve just

date by which time as we’ve just

date by which time as we’ve just discussed the global economy must be

discussed the global economy must be

discussed the global economy must be well on its way to becoming carbon

well on its way to becoming carbon

well on its way to becoming carbon neutral and so as we can see the career

neutral and so as we can see the career

neutral and so as we can see the career of Mary and her peers will take place

of Mary and her peers will take place

of Mary and her peers will take place against the backdrop of not just climate

against the backdrop of not just climate

against the backdrop of not just climate change but also a global economy that is

change but also a global economy that is

change but also a global economy that is radically and dramatically transitioning

radically and dramatically transitioning

radically and dramatically transitioning to a low-carbon future so the question

to a low-carbon future so the question

to a low-carbon future so the question is is Mary’s Business School giving her

is is Mary’s Business School giving her

is is Mary’s Business School giving her the education on sustainability and

the education on sustainability and

the education on sustainability and climate action that she will need if she

climate action that she will need if she

climate action that she will need if she is to succeed over the next 40 years

is to succeed over the next 40 years

is to succeed over the next 40 years well today it’s a mixed bag but it’s

well today it’s a mixed bag but it’s

well today it’s a mixed bag but it’s important to give credit where credit is

important to give credit where credit is

important to give credit where credit is due and a number of schools around the

due and a number of schools around the

due and a number of schools around the world are making making important

world are making making important

world are making making important positive moves in the right direction

positive moves in the right direction

positive moves in the right direction whether it be academics undertaking

whether it be academics undertaking

whether it be academics undertaking cutting-edge research on sustainability

cutting-edge research on sustainability

cutting-edge research on sustainability like that we discussed earlier

like that we discussed earlier

like that we discussed earlier from London and Harvard Business

from London and Harvard Business

from London and Harvard Business School’s or maybe it’s sustainability

School’s or maybe it’s sustainability

School’s or maybe it’s sustainability minded student clubs like the net impact

minded student clubs like the net impact

minded student clubs like the net impact group who have blossoming and popping up

group who have blossoming and popping up

group who have blossoming and popping up on campuses all around the world

on campuses all around the world

on campuses all around the world there’s even an entirely new MBA

there’s even an entirely new MBA

there’s even an entirely new MBA programs like the University of Exeter’s

programs like the University of Exeter’s

programs like the University of Exeter’s one planet MBA but on the whole when it

one planet MBA but on the whole when it

one planet MBA but on the whole when it comes to business curriculum and

comes to business curriculum and

comes to business curriculum and sustainability the case is more business

sustainability the case is more business

sustainability the case is more business as usual and where sustainability is

as usual and where sustainability is

as usual and where sustainability is addressed it’s done so as a optional

addressed it’s done so as a optional

addressed it’s done so as a optional elective or a side dish to the main game

elective or a side dish to the main game

elective or a side dish to the main game but as we’ve just discussed climate

but as we’ve just discussed climate

but as we’ve just discussed climate action and the business and it need to

action and the business and it need to

action and the business and it need to respond to sustainability we’ll strike

respond to sustainability we’ll strike

respond to sustainability we’ll strike at the core of business management over

at the core of business management over

at the core of business management over the coming decades and so the message I

the coming decades and so the message I

the coming decades and so the message I want to leave you with today is that

want to leave you with today is that

want to leave you with today is that sustainability is in fact central to

sustainability is in fact central to

sustainability is in fact central to business education not necessarily in

business education not necessarily in

business education not necessarily in big green font or as a standalone

big green font or as a standalone

big green font or as a standalone class in fact sustainability should be

class in fact sustainability should be

class in fact sustainability should be integrated into the foundations of a

integrated into the foundations of a

integrated into the foundations of a modern business curriculum

modern business curriculum

modern business curriculum maybe it’s in accounting classes where

maybe it’s in accounting classes where

maybe it’s in accounting classes where students should be discussing how

students should be discussing how

students should be discussing how companies will track and report on their

companies will track and report on their

companies will track and report on their environmental social and governance

environmental social and governance

environmental social and governance performance finance classes should

performance finance classes should

performance finance classes should include a mandatory lecture on the risks

include a mandatory lecture on the risks

include a mandatory lecture on the risks associated with trauma with stranded

associated with trauma with stranded

associated with trauma with stranded assets and at least one strategy

assets and at least one strategy

assets and at least one strategy assignment in business strategy classes

assignment in business strategy classes

assignment in business strategy classes should feature a scenario where carbon

should feature a scenario where carbon

should feature a scenario where carbon is priced giving students the

is priced giving students the

is priced giving students the opportunity to reflect on and practice

opportunity to reflect on and practice

opportunity to reflect on and practice how they would respond to such scenarios

how they would respond to such scenarios

how they would respond to such scenarios will be invaluable to their future

will be invaluable to their future

will be invaluable to their future careers

careers

careers so where are we and watch the verdict

so where are we and watch the verdict

so where are we and watch the verdict for business schools there’s no doubt

for business schools there’s no doubt

for business schools there’s no doubt that the trend on sustainability in

that the trend on sustainability in

that the trend on sustainability in business education is a positive one but

business education is a positive one but

business education is a positive one but I strongly believe that in less business

I strongly believe that in less business

I strongly believe that in less business schools rapidly and dramatically

schools rapidly and dramatically

schools rapidly and dramatically integrate sustainability into the core

integrate sustainability into the core

integrate sustainability into the core of their business curriculum there’s a

of their business curriculum there’s a

of their business curriculum there’s a real risk that they’ll end up failing

real risk that they’ll end up failing

real risk that they’ll end up failing not just my generation so what are we

not just my generation so what are we

not just my generation so what are we going to do about it

going to do about it

going to do about it how can we make a change well they come

how can we make a change well they come

how can we make a change well they come to the end of my MBA I don’t have all

to the end of my MBA I don’t have all

to the end of my MBA I don’t have all the answers but I for one am committed

the answers but I for one am committed

the answers but I for one am committed to pursuing a new reality and I believe

to pursuing a new reality and I believe

to pursuing a new reality and I believe we all have a role we can speak in the

we all have a role we can speak in the

we all have a role we can speak in the language of business and vote with our

language of business and vote with our

language of business and vote with our wallets if you’re a consumer a

wallets if you’re a consumer a

wallets if you’re a consumer a shareholder show business that there’s

shareholder show business that there’s

shareholder show business that there’s rewards for taking action and taking

rewards for taking action and taking

rewards for taking action and taking climate action seriously if you’re with

climate action seriously if you’re with

climate action seriously if you’re with a company or a business professional

a company or a business professional

a company or a business professional tell business schools and business

tell business schools and business

tell business schools and business school ranking organizations that you

school ranking organizations that you

school ranking organizations that you want talent that’s ready for a

want talent that’s ready for a

want talent that’s ready for a low-carbon future and if you’re a

low-carbon future and if you’re a

low-carbon future and if you’re a student or an alumnus demand more ask

student or an alumnus demand more ask

student or an alumnus demand more ask questions and get involved

questions and get involved

questions and get involved after all we’re the customer and last

after all we’re the customer and last

after all we’re the customer and last time I checked we’re paying an awful lot

time I checked we’re paying an awful lot

time I checked we’re paying an awful lot for it so there is one thing I learnt in

for it so there is one thing I learnt in

for it so there is one thing I learnt in Business School and that’s that

Business School and that’s that

Business School and that’s that organizational change takes time but I

organizational change takes time but I

organizational change takes time but I believe that together with encouragement

believe that together with encouragement

believe that together with encouragement support and pressure we can kick off a

support and pressure we can kick off a

support and pressure we can kick off a revolution in business education that

revolution in business education that

revolution in business education that will not only benefit future business

will not only benefit future business

will not only benefit future business school students like me but also

school students like me but also

school students like me but also businesses society at large and the

businesses society at large and the

businesses society at large and the planet upon which we all depend thank

planet upon which we all depend thank

planet upon which we all depend thank you

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