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The resurgence of non-commodity agriculture in single malt whiskey | Matt Hofmann | TEDxEastsidePrep


my name is Matt Hoffman I’m the master

my name is Matt Hoffman I’m the master distiller and one of the cofounders of

distiller and one of the cofounders of

distiller and one of the cofounders of Westland distillery make single malt

Westland distillery make single malt

Westland distillery make single malt whiskey here in Seattle master distiller

whiskey here in Seattle master distiller

whiskey here in Seattle master distiller is a funny thing because I very rarely

is a funny thing because I very rarely

is a funny thing because I very rarely distill these days I do a lot of

distill these days I do a lot of

distill these days I do a lot of spreadsheets send a lot of emails but I

spreadsheets send a lot of emails but I

spreadsheets send a lot of emails but I also get to talk to people about kind of

also get to talk to people about kind of

also get to talk to people about kind of the exciting things that we do here one

the exciting things that we do here one

the exciting things that we do here one of the interesting things again we’re

of the interesting things again we’re

of the interesting things again we’re kind of talking about dinner last night

kind of talking about dinner last night

kind of talking about dinner last night we all got together one of the things

we all got together one of the things

we all got together one of the things that kind of echoes both the talk that

that kind of echoes both the talk that

that kind of echoes both the talk that we just saw and then the things we

we just saw and then the things we

we just saw and then the things we talked about at dinner is the idea of

talked about at dinner is the idea of

talked about at dinner is the idea of mastering something I think is false it

mastering something I think is false it

mastering something I think is false it is something we can constantly strive

is something we can constantly strive

is something we can constantly strive towards we’re trying to always get to

towards we’re trying to always get to

towards we’re trying to always get to perfection and we’re talking about the

perfection and we’re talking about the

perfection and we’re talking about the excellence thing but we’ll never get

excellence thing but we’ll never get

excellence thing but we’ll never get there and to think that you will get

there and to think that you will get

there and to think that you will get there to think that you will ever be the

there to think that you will ever be the

there to think that you will ever be the master of something is as arrogant in my

master of something is as arrogant in my

master of something is as arrogant in my opinion so when we say master distiller

opinion so when we say master distiller

opinion so when we say master distiller functionally what that means is is kind

functionally what that means is is kind

functionally what that means is is kind of in charge of the process start to

of in charge of the process start to

of in charge of the process start to finish does not mean that I have

finish does not mean that I have

finish does not mean that I have mastered distilling in any way I don’t

mastered distilling in any way I don’t

mastered distilling in any way I don’t believe that that is possible so single

believe that that is possible so single

believe that that is possible so single malt whisky is the original style of

malt whisky is the original style of

malt whisky is the original style of whisky that has been produced at least

whisky that has been produced at least

whisky that has been produced at least as far as recorded history goes for

as far as recorded history goes for

as far as recorded history goes for about 600 years the origin of it is

about 600 years the origin of it is

about 600 years the origin of it is probably Ireland unless you’re asking

probably Ireland unless you’re asking

probably Ireland unless you’re asking the Scottish people in which case it’s

the Scottish people in which case it’s

the Scottish people in which case it’s Scotland but this it’s the origin of all

Scotland but this it’s the origin of all

Scotland but this it’s the origin of all other styles of whiskey so basically

other styles of whiskey so basically

other styles of whiskey so basically Scottish Irish immigrants move to other

Scottish Irish immigrants move to other

Scottish Irish immigrants move to other parts of the world especially the u.s.

parts of the world especially the u.s.

parts of the world especially the u.s. find that barley doesn’t grow very well

find that barley doesn’t grow very well

find that barley doesn’t grow very well in the eastern US they plan try instead

in the eastern US they plan try instead

in the eastern US they plan try instead I take the ride that the German

I take the ride that the German

I take the ride that the German immigrants have they use that to make

immigrants have they use that to make

immigrants have they use that to make their whiskey then they all get kicked

their whiskey then they all get kicked

their whiskey then they all get kicked out of there it’s something called the

out of there it’s something called the

out of there it’s something called the Whiskey Rebellion which is a very

Whiskey Rebellion which is a very

Whiskey Rebellion which is a very fantastic story we don’t have time for

fantastic story we don’t have time for

fantastic story we don’t have time for today and they have to move down to

today and they have to move down to

today and they have to move down to Kentucky where they find corn is a lot

Kentucky where they find corn is a lot

Kentucky where they find corn is a lot better and that’s where bourbon comes

better and that’s where bourbon comes

better and that’s where bourbon comes from singable whiskey is a hundred

from singable whiskey is a hundred

from singable whiskey is a hundred percent malted barley what malted barley

percent malted barley what malted barley

percent malted barley what malted barley is is basically sprouted barley so

is is basically sprouted barley so

is is basically sprouted barley so barley grows as has been growing for for

barley grows as has been growing for for

barley grows as has been growing for for thousands of years and its really kind

thousands of years and its really kind

thousands of years and its really kind of reached

of reached

of reached its pinnacle expression in these kind of

its pinnacle expression in these kind of

its pinnacle expression in these kind of cooler climates we have a cooler spring

cooler climates we have a cooler spring

cooler climates we have a cooler spring kind of like the UK and also like the

kind of like the UK and also like the

kind of like the UK and also like the Pacific Northwest as it turns out so one

Pacific Northwest as it turns out so one

Pacific Northwest as it turns out so one hundred percent malted barley so what

hundred percent malted barley so what

hundred percent malted barley so what they’re going to do is going to take

they’re going to do is going to take

they’re going to do is going to take that raw barley they’re going to soak it

that raw barley they’re going to soak it

that raw barley they’re going to soak it in water for a few days then the barley

in water for a few days then the barley

in water for a few days then the barley grain goes hey it just rained so take

grain goes hey it just rained so take

grain goes hey it just rained so take this water in and I’ll begin to sprout

this water in and I’ll begin to sprout

this water in and I’ll begin to sprout so it goes along and it develops a root

so it goes along and it develops a root

so it goes along and it develops a root lid and some shoots and then there’s all

lid and some shoots and then there’s all

lid and some shoots and then there’s all sorts of things happening inside of the

sorts of things happening inside of the

sorts of things happening inside of the grain basically developing enzymes in

grain basically developing enzymes in

grain basically developing enzymes in the grain that help convert starch into

the grain that help convert starch into

the grain that help convert starch into sugar all this is very important when it

sugar all this is very important when it

sugar all this is very important when it comes to processing the whiskey but we

comes to processing the whiskey but we

comes to processing the whiskey but we need to stop it so it doesn’t go into

need to stop it so it doesn’t go into

need to stop it so it doesn’t go into full barley plant because that would be

full barley plant because that would be

full barley plant because that would be disastrous so they stop it by drying it

disastrous so they stop it by drying it

disastrous so they stop it by drying it out and that is what we call malted

out and that is what we call malted

out and that is what we call malted barley so that’s used in beer as well as

barley so that’s used in beer as well as

barley so that’s used in beer as well as single malt whiskey so the single part

single malt whiskey so the single part

single malt whiskey so the single part means produced at one distillery and

means produced at one distillery and

means produced at one distillery and this again is most of the time you’re

this again is most of the time you’re

this again is most of the time you’re seeing this come out of Scotland so

seeing this come out of Scotland so

seeing this come out of Scotland so that’s kind of that’s what we do here

that’s kind of that’s what we do here

that’s kind of that’s what we do here the Pacific Northwest is the best barley

the Pacific Northwest is the best barley

the Pacific Northwest is the best barley growing climate in the United States it

growing climate in the United States it

growing climate in the United States it is one of the best barley growing

is one of the best barley growing

is one of the best barley growing climates in the world outside of the UK

climates in the world outside of the UK

climates in the world outside of the UK Pacific Northwest are the two best ones

Pacific Northwest are the two best ones

Pacific Northwest are the two best ones in the northern hemisphere so a lot of

in the northern hemisphere so a lot of

in the northern hemisphere so a lot of people say oh you guys are Americans why

people say oh you guys are Americans why

people say oh you guys are Americans why aren’t you making bourbon well actually

aren’t you making bourbon well actually

aren’t you making bourbon well actually it’s more authentic for us to be making

it’s more authentic for us to be making

it’s more authentic for us to be making single malt whiskey here because barley

single malt whiskey here because barley

single malt whiskey here because barley is what grows here and not corn corn is

is what grows here and not corn corn is

is what grows here and not corn corn is used for bourbon so this is barley

used for bourbon so this is barley

used for bourbon so this is barley everybody say hello barley everything

everybody say hello barley everything

everybody say hello barley everything that’s used in the world of single malt

that’s used in the world of single malt

that’s used in the world of single malt whisky is commodity barley doesn’t

whisky is commodity barley doesn’t

whisky is commodity barley doesn’t actually matter and it’s true not just

actually matter and it’s true not just

actually matter and it’s true not just for whiskey but it’s also true for beer

for whiskey but it’s also true for beer

for whiskey but it’s also true for beer and any kind of baking products that use

and any kind of baking products that use

and any kind of baking products that use barley it’s all commodity barley so what

barley it’s all commodity barley so what

barley it’s all commodity barley so what does that mean so commodity barley or

does that mean so commodity barley or

does that mean so commodity barley or any commodity grain is bred for high

any commodity grain is bred for high

any commodity grain is bred for high yield in the field high yield in the

yield in the field high yield in the

yield in the field high yield in the plant in our case in the distillery it’s

plant in our case in the distillery it’s

plant in our case in the distillery it’s bred for disease resistance and it’s

bred for disease resistance and it’s

bred for disease resistance and it’s also bred for what it’s my last thing

also bred for what it’s my last thing

also bred for what it’s my last thing that it spread to be dependable it

that it spread to be dependable it

that it spread to be dependable it spread that you can count on every time

spread that you can count on every time

spread that you can count on every time when you go to make whiskey like when we

when you go to make whiskey like when we

when you go to make whiskey like when we do but also the farmers know what

do but also the farmers know what

do but also the farmers know what they’re going to get then you get these

they’re going to get then you get these

they’re going to get then you get these varieties certified by various

varieties certified by various

varieties certified by various organizations in the u.s. it’s called

organizations in the u.s. it’s called

organizations in the u.s. it’s called the ambulance American malted barley

the ambulance American malted barley

the ambulance American malted barley Association all of these things are

Association all of these things are

Association all of these things are admirable the ability to do

admirable the ability to do

admirable the ability to do high yields and and disease resistance

high yields and and disease resistance

high yields and and disease resistance makes things grow and you know what

makes things grow and you know what

makes things grow and you know what you’re going to get but there are also

you’re going to get but there are also

you’re going to get but there are also some downsides to that and those aren’t

some downsides to that and those aren’t

some downsides to that and those aren’t commonly talked about this barley

commonly talked about this barley

commonly talked about this barley varietal that you see here this is

varietal that you see here this is

varietal that you see here this is called full pint this is a new barley

called full pint this is a new barley

called full pint this is a new barley varietal bred by Oregon State University

varietal bred by Oregon State University

varietal bred by Oregon State University keep this in mind as we look through the

keep this in mind as we look through the

keep this in mind as we look through the rest of these slides here this is what

rest of these slides here this is what

rest of these slides here this is what when if you ask a Scottish person what

when if you ask a Scottish person what

when if you ask a Scottish person what barley looks like they’re gonna say

barley looks like they’re gonna say

barley looks like they’re gonna say looks exactly like this and varley’s

looks exactly like this and varley’s

looks exactly like this and varley’s only ever looked exactly like this so

only ever looked exactly like this so

only ever looked exactly like this so here’s the thing about commodities if

here’s the thing about commodities if

here’s the thing about commodities if you’re running commodities you’re

you’re running commodities you’re

you’re running commodities you’re probably doing monoculture so that means

probably doing monoculture so that means

probably doing monoculture so that means you’re planting the same crop year after

you’re planting the same crop year after

you’re planting the same crop year after year after year after year the US has

year after year after year the US has

year after year after year the US has mastered this in a really really

mastered this in a really really

mastered this in a really really depressing way I mean the middle of the

depressing way I mean the middle of the

depressing way I mean the middle of the country is corn corn corn corn corn each

country is corn corn corn corn corn each

country is corn corn corn corn corn each year that corn is depleting the soil it

year that corn is depleting the soil it

year that corn is depleting the soil it is the taking things out of the soil

is the taking things out of the soil

is the taking things out of the soil they can dump things back in before they

they can dump things back in before they

they can dump things back in before they learned how to dump things back and they

learned how to dump things back and they

learned how to dump things back and they simply moved away this is the origin of

simply moved away this is the origin of

simply moved away this is the origin of the Dust Bowl this is people moved out

the Dust Bowl this is people moved out

the Dust Bowl this is people moved out kind of into the plain States planted a

kind of into the plain States planted a

kind of into the plain States planted a bunch of stuff then kind of forgot to

bunch of stuff then kind of forgot to

bunch of stuff then kind of forgot to take care of it all and then destroyed

take care of it all and then destroyed

take care of it all and then destroyed it and then they kept moving but now

it and then they kept moving but now

it and then they kept moving but now these days people are able to dump

these days people are able to dump

these days people are able to dump synthetic stuff back into the soil over

synthetic stuff back into the soil over

synthetic stuff back into the soil over and over and over again it’s not good

and over and over again it’s not good

and over and over again it’s not good for the soil though it’s not good for

for the soil though it’s not good for

for the soil though it’s not good for the environment you talk about all this

the environment you talk about all this

the environment you talk about all this extra stuff that you have to put into

extra stuff that you have to put into

extra stuff that you have to put into the system this also includes diseases

the system this also includes diseases

the system this also includes diseases if you break up the crops if you plant

if you break up the crops if you plant

if you break up the crops if you plant this and then do a different crop

this and then do a different crop

this and then do a different crop different crop different crop then the

different crop different crop then the

different crop different crop then the disease has time to go away otherwise it

disease has time to go away otherwise it

disease has time to go away otherwise it just builds and builds and builds and

just builds and builds and builds and

just builds and builds and builds and builds year after year the other big

builds year after year the other big

builds year after year the other big thing is that commodity grains are price

thing is that commodity grains are price

thing is that commodity grains are price fixed it’s a race to the bottom I just

fixed it’s a race to the bottom I just

fixed it’s a race to the bottom I just finished reading a great book at highly

finished reading a great book at highly

finished reading a great book at highly recommend it’s called gaining ground

recommend it’s called gaining ground

recommend it’s called gaining ground it’s about a farmer out in Virginia I

it’s about a farmer out in Virginia I

it’s about a farmer out in Virginia I believe and he inherited he was probably

believe and he inherited he was probably

believe and he inherited he was probably my age he’s in his 20s and he inherited

my age he’s in his 20s and he inherited

my age he’s in his 20s and he inherited so I am in my 20s it’s true actually

so I am in my 20s it’s true actually

so I am in my 20s it’s true actually so anyways he inherited a he inherited a

so anyways he inherited a he inherited a

so anyways he inherited a he inherited a farm from his grandparents and he got

farm from his grandparents and he got

farm from his grandparents and he got really really into the idea of planting

really really into the idea of planting

really really into the idea of planting grains and so we planted corn and soy

grains and so we planted corn and soy

grains and so we planted corn and soy and he made it through the first first

and he made it through the first first

and he made it through the first first season the first harvest and he got all

season the first harvest and he got all

season the first harvest and he got all the way to the end there was a little

the way to the end there was a little

the way to the end there was a little bit of drought and some things that were

bit of drought and some things that were

bit of drought and some things that were going on there and he he sold all of it

going on there and he he sold all of it

going on there and he he sold all of it you have 300 acres of this stuff and

you have 300 acres of this stuff and

you have 300 acres of this stuff and sold all of it tallied everything up at

sold all of it tallied everything up at

sold all of it tallied everything up at the end of the year and he realized he

the end of the year and he realized he

the end of the year and he realized he made exactly eighteen dollars and that’s

made exactly eighteen dollars and that’s

made exactly eighteen dollars and that’s because the price is fixed it’s a race

because the price is fixed it’s a race

because the price is fixed it’s a race to the bottom no matter what you can’t

to the bottom no matter what you can’t

to the bottom no matter what you can’t add value to a commodity crop because

add value to a commodity crop because

add value to a commodity crop because that’s against the definition and the

that’s against the definition and the

that’s against the definition and the other big thing is it’s always bred for

other big thing is it’s always bred for

other big thing is it’s always bred for yield the idea of flavor does not come

yield the idea of flavor does not come

yield the idea of flavor does not come into consideration ever which is really

into consideration ever which is really

into consideration ever which is really really remarkable actually so again

really remarkable actually so again

really remarkable actually so again there’s some admirable things about

there’s some admirable things about

there’s some admirable things about commodities but there’s a lot of

commodities but there’s a lot of

commodities but there’s a lot of negatives so what do we do to try to fix

negatives so what do we do to try to fix

negatives so what do we do to try to fix this this is the resurgence that we’re

this this is the resurgence that we’re

this this is the resurgence that we’re talking about here a return to original

talking about here a return to original

talking about here a return to original styles of farming to rotation crops so

styles of farming to rotation crops so

styles of farming to rotation crops so you’re going to get things that are

you’re going to get things that are

you’re going to get things that are going to help the soil going to help

going to help the soil going to help

going to help the soil going to help each other out there’s a lot of examples

each other out there’s a lot of examples

each other out there’s a lot of examples of this throughout the world the rest of

of this throughout the world the rest of

of this throughout the world the rest of the world knows this a lot of cuisines

the world knows this a lot of cuisines

the world knows this a lot of cuisines are based on this idea of rotation crops

are based on this idea of rotation crops

are based on this idea of rotation crops but in America we sadly have no real

but in America we sadly have no real

but in America we sadly have no real concept of it because we’ve always kind

concept of it because we’ve always kind

concept of it because we’ve always kind of been able to either take more land or

of been able to either take more land or

of been able to either take more land or develop chemicals to get around it

develop chemicals to get around it

develop chemicals to get around it getting value out of these products not

getting value out of these products not

getting value out of these products not just breeding them for a commodity

just breeding them for a commodity

just breeding them for a commodity system where you you put into a giant

system where you you put into a giant

system where you you put into a giant truck that goes to a giant train car and

truck that goes to a giant train car and

truck that goes to a giant train car and it goes to a giant commodity market

it goes to a giant commodity market

it goes to a giant commodity market you’re done with it let’s add value to

you’re done with it let’s add value to

you’re done with it let’s add value to these products you can do that if you

these products you can do that if you

these products you can do that if you take control but then also flavor and

take control but then also flavor and

take control but then also flavor and this is a big that I kind of get into

this is a big that I kind of get into

this is a big that I kind of get into this in a little bit but let’s actually

this in a little bit but let’s actually

this in a little bit but let’s actually think about flavor as we develop new

think about flavor as we develop new

think about flavor as we develop new grains so this is the Skagit value can

grains so this is the Skagit value can

grains so this is the Skagit value can see that there in Washington State the

see that there in Washington State the

see that there in Washington State the barley regions are kind of split into

barley regions are kind of split into

barley regions are kind of split into two places you’ve got Eastern Washington

two places you’ve got Eastern Washington

two places you’ve got Eastern Washington which is big that’s big AG country that

which is big that’s big AG country that

which is big that’s big AG country that is there’s we get a lot of barley from

is there’s we get a lot of barley from

is there’s we get a lot of barley from eastern Washington but the system there

eastern Washington but the system there

eastern Washington but the system there is very much commodity system there’s

is very much commodity system there’s

is very much commodity system there’s two varietals of barley that are grown

two varietals of barley that are grown

two varietals of barley that are grown out there amongst the thousands that

out there amongst the thousands that

out there amongst the thousands that exist and if they grow effectively but

exist and if they grow effectively but

exist and if they grow effectively but that will come in and and the farmers

that will come in and and the farmers

that will come in and and the farmers you don’t you never meet them

you don’t you never meet them

you don’t you never meet them but Western Washington is a little bit

but Western Washington is a little bit

but Western Washington is a little bit different they’ve rejected the commodity

different they’ve rejected the commodity

different they’ve rejected the commodity system for a lot of very simple reason

system for a lot of very simple reason

system for a lot of very simple reason so the Skagit Valley there those are

so the Skagit Valley there those are

so the Skagit Valley there those are tulips a lot of people here will know

tulips a lot of people here will know

tulips a lot of people here will know that the Skagit Valley is famous for its

that the Skagit Valley is famous for its

that the Skagit Valley is famous for its tulip festival what they probably don’t

tulip festival what they probably don’t

tulip festival what they probably don’t know is that those tulips basically just

know is that those tulips basically just

know is that those tulips basically just destroy this soil not totally but they

destroy this soil not totally but they

destroy this soil not totally but they can’t do the tulips in the same place

can’t do the tulips in the same place

can’t do the tulips in the same place generally speaking year after year

generally speaking year after year

generally speaking year after year because it takes so much material to

because it takes so much material to

because it takes so much material to make those tulips work so what these

make those tulips work so what these

make those tulips work so what these farmers have been doing for a hundred

farmers have been doing for a hundred

farmers have been doing for a hundred years is they’ve been planting barley

years is they’ve been planting barley

years is they’ve been planting barley after the tulips to help put carbon back

after the tulips to help put carbon back

after the tulips to help put carbon back into the soil barley is actually a

into the soil barley is actually a

into the soil barley is actually a carbon fixing it sucks carbon out of the

carbon fixing it sucks carbon out of the

carbon fixing it sucks carbon out of the atmosphere puts it back into the soil

atmosphere puts it back into the soil

atmosphere puts it back into the soil breaks disease cycles then they’ll plant

breaks disease cycles then they’ll plant

breaks disease cycles then they’ll plant something like beans they would put

something like beans they would put

something like beans they would put nitrogen back into the soil and away

nitrogen back into the soil and away

nitrogen back into the soil and away they go then the complaint tulips again

they go then the complaint tulips again

they go then the complaint tulips again they don’t have to dump a bunch of extra

they don’t have to dump a bunch of extra

they don’t have to dump a bunch of extra stuff in there and that’s a natural crop

stuff in there and that’s a natural crop

stuff in there and that’s a natural crop rotation cycle this is how a lot of

rotation cycle this is how a lot of

rotation cycle this is how a lot of agricultural communities have existed

agricultural communities have existed

agricultural communities have existed for a long time the problem is is that

for a long time the problem is is that

for a long time the problem is is that they had nobody to sell that grain to

they had nobody to sell that grain to

they had nobody to sell that grain to they were outside of the commodity

they were outside of the commodity

they were outside of the commodity system even if you were farming in

system even if you were farming in

system even if you were farming in western Washington is a lot more

western Washington is a lot more

western Washington is a lot more expensive that it is in eastern

expensive that it is in eastern

expensive that it is in eastern Washington if you manage to get perfect

Washington if you manage to get perfect

Washington if you manage to get perfect grain out of this barley you might break

grain out of this barley you might break

grain out of this barley you might break even if it made what’s called moulton

even if it made what’s called moulton

even if it made what’s called moulton great so be high grade barley but on the

great so be high grade barley but on the

great so be high grade barley but on the commodity system if not you would get

commodity system if not you would get

commodity system if not you would get feed grade barley which goes to cattle

feed grade barley which goes to cattle

feed grade barley which goes to cattle and that you lose money planting that

and that you lose money planting that

and that you lose money planting that but they have to do it because it’s good

but they have to do it because it’s good

but they have to do it because it’s good for their soil this barley here so you

for their soil this barley here so you

for their soil this barley here so you remember the barley is just showing you

remember the barley is just showing you

remember the barley is just showing you a little bit ago this barley is called

a little bit ago this barley is called

a little bit ago this barley is called purple obsidia I’m going to come up with

purple obsidia I’m going to come up with

purple obsidia I’m going to come up with there’s there’s a lot of names here that

there’s there’s a lot of names here that

there’s there’s a lot of names here that they are going to see it’s we’re not

they are going to see it’s we’re not

they are going to see it’s we’re not involved with marijuana at all purple

involved with marijuana at all purple

involved with marijuana at all purple obsidian Tibetan purple you know there’s

obsidian Tibetan purple you know there’s

obsidian Tibetan purple you know there’s all sorts of you know no so so anyways

all sorts of you know no so so anyways

all sorts of you know no so so anyways this is a varietal of barley that comes

this is a varietal of barley that comes

this is a varietal of barley that comes from Egypt it’s 2,000 years old there’s

from Egypt it’s 2,000 years old there’s

from Egypt it’s 2,000 years old there’s an almost unbelievable back story

an almost unbelievable back story

an almost unbelievable back story involving some camel trading routes in

involving some camel trading routes in

involving some camel trading routes in eastern Washington it’s very bizarre but

eastern Washington it’s very bizarre but

eastern Washington it’s very bizarre but this is not an approved varietal for

this is not an approved varietal for

this is not an approved varietal for planting for multi barley in Washington

planting for multi barley in Washington

planting for multi barley in Washington State why not well there’s all sorts of

State why not well there’s all sorts of

State why not well there’s all sorts of reasons but one of them

reasons but one of them

reasons but one of them is it melts in four days instead of

is it melts in four days instead of

is it melts in four days instead of seven so actually if you’re thinking

seven so actually if you’re thinking

seven so actually if you’re thinking about this it melts faster than what the

about this it melts faster than what the

about this it melts faster than what the standard is but just because it moves

standard is but just because it moves

standard is but just because it moves away from what the standard is it makes

away from what the standard is it makes

away from what the standard is it makes it totally reject abul so one of the

it totally reject abul so one of the

it totally reject abul so one of the things that we move to do and we’re

things that we move to do and we’re

things that we move to do and we’re working we have to work with other

working we have to work with other

working we have to work with other companies to do is we’re working with a

companies to do is we’re working with a

companies to do is we’re working with a company called Skagit Valley malting to

company called Skagit Valley malting to

company called Skagit Valley malting to accomplish this is basically changing

accomplish this is basically changing

accomplish this is basically changing the system to suit the grain to suit the

the system to suit the grain to suit the

the system to suit the grain to suit the agriculture and not changing your

agriculture and not changing your

agriculture and not changing your agriculture to suit your system this is

agriculture to suit your system this is

agriculture to suit your system this is only really possible now with technology

only really possible now with technology

only really possible now with technology so you can change each different batch

so you can change each different batch

so you can change each different batch you have to be more patient it costs

you have to be more patient it costs

you have to be more patient it costs more money yes but the flavor that you

more money yes but the flavor that you

more money yes but the flavor that you get from something like this is is

get from something like this is is

get from something like this is is unbelievable people have never tasted it

unbelievable people have never tasted it

unbelievable people have never tasted it there’s I mean how many of you have

there’s I mean how many of you have

there’s I mean how many of you have tasted just an unbelievable piece of

tasted just an unbelievable piece of

tasted just an unbelievable piece of whole wheat bread that totally changed

whole wheat bread that totally changed

whole wheat bread that totally changed your mind there’s not enough of you this

your mind there’s not enough of you this

your mind there’s not enough of you this is the problem but

is the problem but

is the problem but but that’s out there when you taste it

but that’s out there when you taste it

but that’s out there when you taste it in it totally just you have no concept

in it totally just you have no concept

in it totally just you have no concept of this if you’re just raised on Wonder

of this if you’re just raised on Wonder

of this if you’re just raised on Wonder Bread and all this other stuff that we

Bread and all this other stuff that we

Bread and all this other stuff that we are as Americans and so this is a very

are as Americans and so this is a very

are as Americans and so this is a very very important thing you can take the

very important thing you can take the

very important thing you can take the varietals that are not just for multi

varietals that are not just for multi

varietals that are not just for multi but a feed varietal that full pint back

but a feed varietal that full pint back

but a feed varietal that full pint back there two slides ago that was a feed

there two slides ago that was a feed

there two slides ago that was a feed varietal that’s also not approved for

varietal that’s also not approved for

varietal that’s also not approved for malting under the approved list and yet

malting under the approved list and yet

malting under the approved list and yet you can multi and you get incredible

you can multi and you get incredible

you can multi and you get incredible flavor out of it so that’s a really

flavor out of it so that’s a really

flavor out of it so that’s a really really that’s a really important thing

really that’s a really important thing

really that’s a really important thing to think about when you think about

to think about when you think about

to think about when you think about flavor first just try to get the thing

flavor first just try to get the thing

flavor first just try to get the thing that tastes best and then work backwards

that tastes best and then work backwards

that tastes best and then work backwards from there to make it work in order for

from there to make it work in order for

from there to make it work in order for this to work you need grain breeder so

this to work you need grain breeder so

this to work you need grain breeder so we’re going to help you develop new

we’re going to help you develop new

we’re going to help you develop new varietals barley I don’t mean GMO I mean

varietals barley I don’t mean GMO I mean

varietals barley I don’t mean GMO I mean kind of the old fashioned way of

kind of the old fashioned way of

kind of the old fashioned way of breeding grain which is you take two

breeding grain which is you take two

breeding grain which is you take two grains and he kind of rub them together

grains and he kind of rub them together

grains and he kind of rub them together like this sin its it wouldn’t be good at

like this sin its it wouldn’t be good at

like this sin its it wouldn’t be good at this I’m not a teacher

so but it’s it’s developing grains the

so but it’s it’s developing grains the old fashioned way start to finish that

old fashioned way start to finish that

old fashioned way start to finish that process usually takes 10 years from the

process usually takes 10 years from the

process usually takes 10 years from the time you make the first cross but to the

time you make the first cross but to the

time you make the first cross but to the time that it could be approved if you

time that it could be approved if you

time that it could be approved if you start with a thousand varietals you

start with a thousand varietals you

start with a thousand varietals you might be lucky if you get one that works

might be lucky if you get one that works

might be lucky if you get one that works so there’s a guy named dr. Steve Jones

so there’s a guy named dr. Steve Jones

so there’s a guy named dr. Steve Jones he was out breeding wheat and barley at

he was out breeding wheat and barley at

he was out breeding wheat and barley at Washington State University Pullman

Washington State University Pullman

Washington State University Pullman Monsanto approached him and said will

Monsanto approached him and said will

Monsanto approached him and said will you develop a varietal of wheat for us

you develop a varietal of wheat for us

you develop a varietal of wheat for us that we can patent he said no that may

that we can patent he said no that may

that we can patent he said no that may sound obvious he said I’m a land-grant

sound obvious he said I’m a land-grant

sound obvious he said I’m a land-grant university professor you’re not supposed

university professor you’re not supposed

university professor you’re not supposed to breed for companies supposed to breed

to breed for companies supposed to breed

to breed for companies supposed to breed for the public good he’s the only one in

for the public good he’s the only one in

for the public good he’s the only one in the u.s. that said no he was banished

the u.s. that said no he was banished

the u.s. that said no he was banished from this university from Washington

from this university from Washington

from this university from Washington State University Pullman and before you

State University Pullman and before you

State University Pullman and before you think this is a political thing big AG

think this is a political thing big AG

think this is a political thing big AG reaches across both sides of the aisle

reaches across both sides of the aisle

reaches across both sides of the aisle when this happened so he was kicked up

when this happened so he was kicked up

when this happened so he was kicked up to Mount Vernon an hour to the north of

to Mount Vernon an hour to the north of

to Mount Vernon an hour to the north of us basically allowed to do whatever he

us basically allowed to do whatever he

us basically allowed to do whatever he wanted they stripped him of all of his

wanted they stripped him of all of his

wanted they stripped him of all of his funding save his salary and his

funding save his salary and his

funding save his salary and his assistant salary which continues to this

assistant salary which continues to this

assistant salary which continues to this day by the way everything that he’s done

day by the way everything that he’s done

day by the way everything that he’s done up to this point he’s only done with two

up to this point he’s only done with two

up to this point he’s only done with two people salaries and no other funding of

people salaries and no other funding of

people salaries and no other funding of any sort and basically said all right go

any sort and basically said all right go

any sort and basically said all right go nuts up there and so up there the

nuts up there and so up there the

nuts up there and so up there the farmers initially and then other

farmers initially and then other

farmers initially and then other companies westland helps fund this as

companies westland helps fund this as

companies westland helps fund this as well but also companies like cliff bar

well but also companies like cliff bar

well but also companies like cliff bar whole foods Patagonia chipotle have to

whole foods Patagonia chipotle have to

whole foods Patagonia chipotle have to fund his work in developing varietals of

fund his work in developing varietals of

fund his work in developing varietals of grain for flavor instead of just for

grain for flavor instead of just for

grain for flavor instead of just for yield that’s 15,000 varietals of barley

yield that’s 15,000 varietals of barley

yield that’s 15,000 varietals of barley that he’s got in there in Scotland they

that he’s got in there in Scotland they

that he’s got in there in Scotland they only use one varietal of barley so if

only use one varietal of barley so if

only use one varietal of barley so if you can imagine if you know like the

you can imagine if you know like the

you can imagine if you know like the world of wine merlot what if all wine

world of wine merlot what if all wine

world of wine merlot what if all wine was merlot who’s seen the movie sideways

was merlot who’s seen the movie sideways

was merlot who’s seen the movie sideways okay so whatever you think about Merlot

okay so whatever you think about Merlot

okay so whatever you think about Merlot even if it’s a if it’s an amazing Merlot

even if it’s a if it’s an amazing Merlot

even if it’s a if it’s an amazing Merlot if every wine was Merlot how boring

if every wine was Merlot how boring

if every wine was Merlot how boring would that be now I’ll caveat this by

would that be now I’ll caveat this by

would that be now I’ll caveat this by saying the world of Scottish whiskey has

saying the world of Scottish whiskey has

saying the world of Scottish whiskey has produced a lot of great stuff and that’s

produced a lot of great stuff and that’s

produced a lot of great stuff and that’s even increasing these days there’s a ton

even increasing these days there’s a ton

even increasing these days there’s a ton of great stuff out there and I have a

of great stuff out there and I have a

of great stuff out there and I have a lot of respect for what goes on in the

lot of respect for what goes on in the

lot of respect for what goes on in the Scottish whiskey industry for the most

Scottish whiskey industry for the most

Scottish whiskey industry for the most part but there

part but there

part but there there are so many new possibilities of

there are so many new possibilities of

there are so many new possibilities of getting beyond this high yielding type

getting beyond this high yielding type

getting beyond this high yielding type of barley varietal if you start thinking

of barley varietal if you start thinking

of barley varietal if you start thinking about flavor who cares if it yields ten

about flavor who cares if it yields ten

about flavor who cares if it yields ten percent less charge twenty percent more

percent less charge twenty percent more

percent less charge twenty percent more for it because people go nuts over it

for it because people go nuts over it

for it because people go nuts over it you know people love things that taste

you know people love things that taste

you know people love things that taste good it’s it’s really not actually that

good it’s it’s really not actually that

good it’s it’s really not actually that complicated so the bread lab up there is

complicated so the bread lab up there is

complicated so the bread lab up there is doing amazing things you’ll find them in

doing amazing things you’ll find them in

doing amazing things you’ll find them in documentaries again all of their funding

documentaries again all of their funding

documentaries again all of their funding is coming from from donations mostly

is coming from from donations mostly

is coming from from donations mostly from kind of progressive companies and

from kind of progressive companies and

from kind of progressive companies and and from individuals big AG has removed

and from individuals big AG has removed

and from individuals big AG has removed everything else from them so this is

everything else from them so this is

everything else from them so this is this is a big deal the end result from

this is a big deal the end result from

this is a big deal the end result from all of this what they’re trying to do is

all of this what they’re trying to do is

all of this what they’re trying to do is make sure that these varietals they’re

make sure that these varietals they’re

make sure that these varietals they’re breeding these varietals to grow well in

breeding these varietals to grow well in

breeding these varietals to grow well in the washington state climate in the

the washington state climate in the

the washington state climate in the Pacific Northwest climate so you don’t

Pacific Northwest climate so you don’t

Pacific Northwest climate so you don’t have to dump things back into the system

have to dump things back into the system

have to dump things back into the system back into the agricultural system that

back into the agricultural system that

back into the agricultural system that don’t belong there the farmers now will

don’t belong there the farmers now will

don’t belong there the farmers now will take these varietals and make a living

take these varietals and make a living

take these varietals and make a living off of them before they would just feed

off of them before they would just feed

off of them before they would just feed it to cows because they couldn’t bother

it to cows because they couldn’t bother

it to cows because they couldn’t bother to sell out on the commodity market now

to sell out on the commodity market now

to sell out on the commodity market now we can go in and say hey we will pay you

we can go in and say hey we will pay you

we can go in and say hey we will pay you not just above commodity market value

not just above commodity market value

not just above commodity market value will pay you good money for this grain

will pay you good money for this grain

will pay you good money for this grain that you’re breeding here even though

that you’re breeding here even though

that you’re breeding here even though it’s yielding maybe fifty percent less

it’s yielding maybe fifty percent less

it’s yielding maybe fifty percent less per acre even will pay you the

per acre even will pay you the

per acre even will pay you the difference and then some to make sure

difference and then some to make sure

difference and then some to make sure that you get paid a living wage and

that you get paid a living wage and

that you get paid a living wage and ultimately really the important thing

ultimately really the important thing

ultimately really the important thing that comes out of it is you make better

that comes out of it is you make better

that comes out of it is you make better product and and what’s exciting about

product and and what’s exciting about

product and and what’s exciting about this is this is applicable beyond

this is this is applicable beyond

this is this is applicable beyond whiskey this is applicable to a lot of

whiskey this is applicable to a lot of

whiskey this is applicable to a lot of things there’s a huge movement going on

things there’s a huge movement going on

things there’s a huge movement going on right now in this country and it’s just

right now in this country and it’s just

right now in this country and it’s just getting started for this style of

getting started for this style of

getting started for this style of thinking we talk about things like

thinking we talk about things like

thinking we talk about things like triple bottom line where everybody wins

triple bottom line where everybody wins

triple bottom line where everybody wins people get paid more money the

people get paid more money the

people get paid more money the environment ends up better and

environment ends up better and

environment ends up better and ultimately you develop better more

ultimately you develop better more

ultimately you develop better more compelling products with better flavor

compelling products with better flavor

compelling products with better flavor and this is something we should always

and this is something we should always

and this is something we should always be striving for it’s something we’re

be striving for it’s something we’re

be striving for it’s something we’re pushing very hard on and something we

pushing very hard on and something we

pushing very hard on and something we want the whole world to see so let’s

want the whole world to see so let’s

want the whole world to see so let’s wake up thank you very much

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