we live in the era of the post truth era is set the era of fake news of alternate
is set the era of fake news of alternate
is set the era of fake news of alternate effects and it seems that opinions are
effects and it seems that opinions are
effects and it seems that opinions are decreasing Lee based on objective facts
decreasing Lee based on objective facts
decreasing Lee based on objective facts but rather on emotions on belief and so
but rather on emotions on belief and so
but rather on emotions on belief and so on and if we look at the thousands of
on and if we look at the thousands of
on and if we look at the thousands of ways we can spread these messages
ways we can spread these messages
ways we can spread these messages through the world wide web you can get
through the world wide web you can get
through the world wide web you can get pretty pediment pessimistic actually but
pretty pediment pessimistic actually but
pretty pediment pessimistic actually but in the coming 15 minutes I’d like to
in the coming 15 minutes I’d like to
in the coming 15 minutes I’d like to show you something new a silent
show you something new a silent
show you something new a silent revolution if you wish and this is all
revolution if you wish and this is all
revolution if you wish and this is all about using online information to
about using online information to
about using online information to challenge more powerful actors in as
challenge more powerful actors in as
challenge more powerful actors in as world’s to challenge – to figure out
world’s to challenge – to figure out
world’s to challenge – to figure out what the facts are and this is called
what the facts are and this is called
what the facts are and this is called digital open source investigation and
digital open source investigation and
digital open source investigation and basically anyone with an internet
basically anyone with an internet
basically anyone with an internet connection and anyone with a laptop can
connection and anyone with a laptop can
connection and anyone with a laptop can access so much information that very
access so much information that very
access so much information that very same information that is being spread
same information that is being spread
same information that is being spread around in this post through Thera to use
around in this post through Thera to use
around in this post through Thera to use and to figure out what may be going on
and to figure out what may be going on
and to figure out what may be going on but well this is the best I can do with
but well this is the best I can do with
but well this is the best I can do with my PowerPoint animations I’d like to
my PowerPoint animations I’d like to
my PowerPoint animations I’d like to start with with basically it’s not as a
start with with basically it’s not as a
start with with basically it’s not as a game this is a facebook friend of mine
game this is a facebook friend of mine
game this is a facebook friend of mine asking a Dutch journalist and he’s
asking a Dutch journalist and he’s
asking a Dutch journalist and he’s posting pictures on his facebook profile
posting pictures on his facebook profile
posting pictures on his facebook profile asking Nara VAR benek or guess where am
asking Nara VAR benek or guess where am
asking Nara VAR benek or guess where am I now this is a nice game right because
I now this is a nice game right because
I now this is a nice game right because he posts a photo and in this initial
he posts a photo and in this initial
he posts a photo and in this initial case I recognized the skyline because I
case I recognized the skyline because I
case I recognized the skyline because I used the hitchhike a lot and I’ve been
used the hitchhike a lot and I’ve been
used the hitchhike a lot and I’ve been to the city several times and I
to the city several times and I
to the city several times and I recognized the skyline of the capital of
recognized the skyline of the capital of
recognized the skyline of the capital of Poland Warsaw so I thought okay wait a
Poland Warsaw so I thought okay wait a
Poland Warsaw so I thought okay wait a second I can actually figure out where
second I can actually figure out where
second I can actually figure out where he took the photo from so I went to
he took the photo from so I went to
he took the photo from so I went to Google Earth and you have 3d in Google
Google Earth and you have 3d in Google
Google Earth and you have 3d in Google Earth and I figured out the exact
Earth and I figured out the exact
Earth and I figured out the exact location when he took the photo from as
location when he took the photo from as
location when he took the photo from as you can see you can see the exact
you can see you can see the exact
you can see you can see the exact building which he for example see here
building which he for example see here
building which he for example see here we can see here and so forth the skyline
we can see here and so forth the skyline
we can see here and so forth the skyline so I commented under his folder like
so I commented under his folder like
so I commented under his folder like well I think you’re in the logos Hotel
well I think you’re in the logos Hotel
well I think you’re in the logos Hotel in Warsaw I guess around the fifth or
in Warsaw I guess around the fifth or
in Warsaw I guess around the fifth or sixth floor and he reacted fourth floor
sixth floor and he reacted fourth floor
sixth floor and he reacted fourth floor but there is a kind of floor in between
but there is a kind of floor in between
but there is a kind of floor in between so I was kind of right
so I was kind of right
so I was kind of right so this became a more of a nice game to
so this became a more of a nice game to
so this became a more of a nice game to play he posted a photo I sometimes
play he posted a photo I sometimes
play he posted a photo I sometimes really easy I mean I think all of you
really easy I mean I think all of you
really easy I mean I think all of you know what is this right exactly London I
know what is this right exactly London I
know what is this right exactly London I mean the bus is Oxford Street and London
mean the bus is Oxford Street and London
mean the bus is Oxford Street and London to be exact and again I can use Google
to be exact and again I can use Google
to be exact and again I can use Google Street View for example to stand at the
Street View for example to stand at the
Street View for example to stand at the exact location where he took the photo
exact location where he took the photo
exact location where he took the photo from now sometimes it can get more
from now sometimes it can get more
from now sometimes it can get more tricky so you start looking for visual
tricky so you start looking for visual
tricky so you start looking for visual clues like for example there’s no
clues like for example there’s no
clues like for example there’s no landmark here and so on so you have to
landmark here and so on so you have to
landmark here and so on so you have to look for for maybe sign somewhere okay
look for for maybe sign somewhere okay
look for for maybe sign somewhere okay this may be in the Netherlands and so
this may be in the Netherlands and so
this may be in the Netherlands and so forth and we try finding he has exact
forth and we try finding he has exact
forth and we try finding he has exact location again now sometimes there isn’t
location again now sometimes there isn’t
location again now sometimes there isn’t even buildings or science it’s just a
even buildings or science it’s just a
even buildings or science it’s just a landscape for example here now you may
landscape for example here now you may
landscape for example here now you may think how on earth can you ever find
think how on earth can you ever find
think how on earth can you ever find this but I was originally born in in
this but I was originally born in in
this but I was originally born in in Levada and never would travel to
Levada and never would travel to
Levada and never would travel to Schiphol for example anyone who has ever
Schiphol for example anyone who has ever
Schiphol for example anyone who has ever traveled with a train from
traveled with a train from
traveled with a train from almera to a laylee stop knows what a
almera to a laylee stop knows what a
almera to a laylee stop knows what a kind of depressing area this between
kind of depressing area this between
kind of depressing area this between those two cities so I was like this
those two cities so I was like this
those two cities so I was like this counter should be one area under
counter should be one area under
counter should be one area under Netherlands right this must be between
Netherlands right this must be between
Netherlands right this must be between those cities and then it’s just looking
those cities and then it’s just looking
those cities and then it’s just looking for the river on satellite imagery and
for the river on satellite imagery and
for the river on satellite imagery and the train tracks and indeed I could
the train tracks and indeed I could
the train tracks and indeed I could figure out the exact location even the
figure out the exact location even the
figure out the exact location even the bend in the river the tree trees and
bend in the river the tree trees and
bend in the river the tree trees and even the the white spots here of sand
even the the white spots here of sand
even the the white spots here of sand this is a game but this is using online
this is a game but this is using online
this is a game but this is using online up information which is openly available
up information which is openly available
up information which is openly available to anyone with an internet connection to
to anyone with an internet connection to
to anyone with an internet connection to figure out an answer to those questions
figure out an answer to those questions
figure out an answer to those questions it’s a puzzle
it’s a puzzle
it’s a puzzle and three years ago a group was found a
and three years ago a group was found a
and three years ago a group was found a collective called Belen cats to bring
collective called Belen cats to bring
collective called Belen cats to bring those people that are doing this
those people that are doing this
those people that are doing this together and to work together on more
together and to work together on more
together and to work together on more let’s perhaps a important questions not
let’s perhaps a important questions not
let’s perhaps a important questions not the game with a Facebook friends but
the game with a Facebook friends but
the game with a Facebook friends but figuring out what’s happening in a
figuring out what’s happening in a
figuring out what’s happening in a conflict zone what is happening between
conflict zone what is happening between
conflict zone what is happening between well in in in in more and belen cat stem
well in in in in more and belen cat stem
well in in in in more and belen cat stem from the English idiom the cat or in
from the English idiom the cat or in
from the English idiom the cat or in Dutch as we say the cotton bellum in
Dutch as we say the cotton bellum in
Dutch as we say the cotton bellum in them and it’s from a Greek fable of a
them and it’s from a Greek fable of a
them and it’s from a Greek fable of a group of mice that is very afraid of his
group of mice that is very afraid of his
group of mice that is very afraid of his large and dangerous cat and they’re
large and dangerous cat and they’re
large and dangerous cat and they’re wondering how can we be aware when the
wondering how can we be aware when the
wondering how can we be aware when the cat is coming close and we are being
cat is coming close and we are being
cat is coming close and we are being well we are in on the truth and one idea
well we are in on the truth and one idea
well we are in on the truth and one idea one Mouse has an idea and he says we
one Mouse has an idea and he says we
one Mouse has an idea and he says we should put a bell around the neck of the
should put a bell around the neck of the
should put a bell around the neck of the cat because then each time it comes
cat because then each time it comes
cat because then each time it comes close
close
close you won’t oh good idea but how could
you won’t oh good idea but how could
you won’t oh good idea but how could they ever do that because my system eyes
they ever do that because my system eyes
they ever do that because my system eyes are all so small and the cut is so large
are all so small and the cut is so large
are all so small and the cut is so large oh they say we should cooperate together
oh they say we should cooperate together
oh they say we should cooperate together because only then we can bail the cat
because only then we can bail the cat
because only then we can bail the cat and that’s what we’re trying to do a
and that’s what we’re trying to do a
and that’s what we’re trying to do a ballon cat and I’d like to show you two
ballon cat and I’d like to show you two
ballon cat and I’d like to show you two examples how this collective of mice
examples how this collective of mice
examples how this collective of mice basically because this is all what I’m
basically because this is all what I’m
basically because this is all what I’m presenting is all the teamwork of all of
presenting is all the teamwork of all of
presenting is all the teamwork of all of us has done this so the first case I’ll
us has done this so the first case I’ll
us has done this so the first case I’ll be presenting is something obviously
be presenting is something obviously
be presenting is something obviously very familiar in the Netherlands mh17
very familiar in the Netherlands mh17
very familiar in the Netherlands mh17 and the second case is the bombing of a
and the second case is the bombing of a
and the second case is the bombing of a mosque in Syria now MH seen mh17 was
mosque in Syria now MH seen mh17 was
mosque in Syria now MH seen mh17 was departing us far from here from Schiphol
departing us far from here from Schiphol
departing us far from here from Schiphol Airport at this time for Malaysia Kuala
Airport at this time for Malaysia Kuala
Airport at this time for Malaysia Kuala Lumpur when it disappeared from the
Lumpur when it disappeared from the
Lumpur when it disappeared from the radar above eastern Ukraine and
radar above eastern Ukraine and
radar above eastern Ukraine and immediately after that happened there
immediately after that happened there
immediately after that happened there were a lot of theories what may have
were a lot of theories what may have
were a lot of theories what may have happened to the plane and some said it
happened to the plane and some said it
happened to the plane and some said it was shot down by Ukraine some said it
was shot down by Ukraine some said it
was shot down by Ukraine some said it was shut down by Russia or they said it
was shut down by Russia or they said it
was shut down by Russia or they said it was shot down by separatists fighting in
was shot down by separatists fighting in
was shot down by separatists fighting in eastern Ukraine some even went that far
eastern Ukraine some even went that far
eastern Ukraine some even went that far to say that bombs were planted on board
to say that bombs were planted on board
to say that bombs were planted on board at Schiphol so people online started to
at Schiphol so people online started to
at Schiphol so people online started to wondering okay who can we still trust
wondering okay who can we still trust
wondering okay who can we still trust with the claims is it the Dutch
with the claims is it the Dutch
with the claims is it the Dutch government is it the Russian government
government is it the Russian government
government is it the Russian government this is the US Oh what can we find out
this is the US Oh what can we find out
this is the US Oh what can we find out online this was a really important
online this was a really important
online this was a really important picture in that investigation because
picture in that investigation because
picture in that investigation because people said we’re saying this was a
people said we’re saying this was a
people said we’re saying this was a showing something very interesting over
showing something very interesting over
showing something very interesting over here a Bach missile launcher which is a
here a Bach missile launcher which is a
here a Bach missile launcher which is a anti-aircraft missile system and oh
anti-aircraft missile system and oh
anti-aircraft missile system and oh sorry and we were wondering can we
sorry and we were wondering can we
sorry and we were wondering can we figure out the exact location where this
figure out the exact location where this
figure out the exact location where this photo was taken because if this was
photo was taken because if this was
photo was taken because if this was indeed in the territory it’s obviously a
indeed in the territory it’s obviously a
indeed in the territory it’s obviously a very interesting photo now here is
very interesting photo now here is
very interesting photo now here is actually this photo is asking us guess
actually this photo is asking us guess
actually this photo is asking us guess where am I so we start looking for this
where am I so we start looking for this
where am I so we start looking for this visual clues and the visual clue here is
visual clues and the visual clue here is
visual clues and the visual clue here is the name of a shop because we can just
the name of a shop because we can just
the name of a shop because we can just type the name of the shop into Google
type the name of the shop into Google
type the name of the shop into Google and we find someone has been so kind to
and we find someone has been so kind to
and we find someone has been so kind to list a wiki page of shops in towns in
list a wiki page of shops in towns in
list a wiki page of shops in towns in eastern Ukraine the store s and it’s
eastern Ukraine the store s and it’s
eastern Ukraine the store s and it’s magazines Troy de ok we have a name
magazines Troy de ok we have a name
magazines Troy de ok we have a name which corresponds to what we saw on the
which corresponds to what we saw on the
which corresponds to what we saw on the image then we start googling further and
image then we start googling further and
image then we start googling further and we see that there is a court document
we see that there is a court document
we see that there is a court document related to this shop because there was
related to this shop because there was
related to this shop because there was once a fight not relevant for an
once a fight not relevant for an
once a fight not relevant for an investigation but this is open the
investigation but this is open the
investigation but this is open the available information and it lists an
available information and it lists an
available information and it lists an address so we can type the address into
address so we can type the address into
address so we can type the address into Google Earth and we’ll just fly to the
Google Earth and we’ll just fly to the
Google Earth and we’ll just fly to the exact location
exact location
exact location and in that way we can compare what we
and in that way we can compare what we
and in that way we can compare what we see on the ground image with what we see
see on the ground image with what we see
see on the ground image with what we see on the satellites
on the satellites
on the satellites that’s confirming a location what is
that’s confirming a location what is
that’s confirming a location what is even more important so we could tend
even more important so we could tend
even more important so we could tend locals for example local reporters to
locals for example local reporters to
locals for example local reporters to the exact same scene to take a picture
the exact same scene to take a picture
the exact same scene to take a picture from we thought it was taken here and
from we thought it was taken here and
from we thought it was taken here and I’m not sure what’s going wrong so
I’m not sure what’s going wrong so
I’m not sure what’s going wrong so basically we try to compare that
basically we try to compare that
basically we try to compare that location if you look at this image
location if you look at this image
location if you look at this image somebody took a picture at the exact
somebody took a picture at the exact
somebody took a picture at the exact same site of where the photo was taken
same site of where the photo was taken
same site of where the photo was taken if you make an overlay as you can see
if you make an overlay as you can see
if you make an overlay as you can see you can see where the book was standing
you can see where the book was standing
you can see where the book was standing so we could confirm the location but
so we could confirm the location but
so we could confirm the location but we’re also very interested in was
we’re also very interested in was
we’re also very interested in was determining a rough estimate of time
determining a rough estimate of time
determining a rough estimate of time when was the picture taken so since very
when was the picture taken so since very
when was the picture taken so since very long time ago we have those sundials
long time ago we have those sundials
long time ago we have those sundials right not a sundial but like we
right not a sundial but like we
right not a sundial but like we basically use the shadow to determine
basically use the shadow to determine
basically use the shadow to determine well to give an impression of time
well to give an impression of time
well to give an impression of time because the shadow changes when the sun
because the shadow changes when the sun
because the shadow changes when the sun is shining obviously so nowadays there
is shining obviously so nowadays there
is shining obviously so nowadays there is a tool called Sun Kok and it allows
is a tool called Sun Kok and it allows
is a tool called Sun Kok and it allows you if you know the exact location to
you if you know the exact location to
you if you know the exact location to see how shadow changes during the day so
see how shadow changes during the day so
see how shadow changes during the day so we were able to determine the time of
we were able to determine the time of
we were able to determine the time of the day as well when the photo was taken
the day as well when the photo was taken
the day as well when the photo was taken now this is a small piece puzzle piece
now this is a small piece puzzle piece
now this is a small piece puzzle piece but you have to imagine in the 21st
but you have to imagine in the 21st
but you have to imagine in the 21st century there’s so many people with
century there’s so many people with
century there’s so many people with mobile phones and especially if there’s
mobile phones and especially if there’s
mobile phones and especially if there’s military equipment driving by people are
military equipment driving by people are
military equipment driving by people are taking photos of it people are taking
taking photos of it people are taking
taking photos of it people are taking videos of it and they’re uploading it to
videos of it and they’re uploading it to
videos of it and they’re uploading it to social media to YouTube to Facebook to
social media to YouTube to Facebook to
social media to YouTube to Facebook to VIP contact them so this is an example
VIP contact them so this is an example
VIP contact them so this is an example of one of such awesome pieces but there
of one of such awesome pieces but there
of one of such awesome pieces but there was way more like for example this video
was way more like for example this video
was way more like for example this video where we can see a similar convoy
where we can see a similar convoy
where we can see a similar convoy perhaps even the same driving and this
perhaps even the same driving and this
perhaps even the same driving and this way we’re able to map where this book
way we’re able to map where this book
way we’re able to map where this book anti-aircraft missile system was
anti-aircraft missile system was
anti-aircraft missile system was traveling through separatist health
traveling through separatist health
traveling through separatist health eastern Ukraine before mh17 was shot
eastern Ukraine before mh17 was shot
eastern Ukraine before mh17 was shot down so we had a clear indication ok
down so we had a clear indication ok
down so we had a clear indication ok this may have been something to do it
this may have been something to do it
this may have been something to do it was one of the theories why am i take
was one of the theories why am i take
was one of the theories why am i take over by what mh17 was shot down at the
over by what mh17 was shot down at the
over by what mh17 was shot down at the same time there is this information war
same time there is this information war
same time there is this information war going on and this is a satellite image
going on and this is a satellite image
going on and this is a satellite image presented by the Russian Ministry of
presented by the Russian Ministry of
presented by the Russian Ministry of Defence four days after mh17 was shot
Defence four days after mh17 was shot
Defence four days after mh17 was shot down and I would like to pull this like
down and I would like to pull this like
down and I would like to pull this like a kind of Poland Power moment of Russia
a kind of Poland Power moment of Russia
a kind of Poland Power moment of Russia remember
remember
remember for the Iraq war they presented
for the Iraq war they presented
for the Iraq war they presented satellite imagery at the UN you look
satellite imagery at the UN you look
satellite imagery at the UN you look Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
Saddam has weapons of mass destruction yeah what you gonna do if you see this
yeah what you gonna do if you see this
yeah what you gonna do if you see this satellite image this is like yeah must
satellite image this is like yeah must
satellite image this is like yeah must be true because how can we check what’s
be true because how can we check what’s
be true because how can we check what’s on the satellite image well nowadays
on the satellite image well nowadays
on the satellite image well nowadays everybody can check it and that’s what
everybody can check it and that’s what
everybody can check it and that’s what we try to do here as well because what
we try to do here as well because what
we try to do here as well because what did the Russian units of Defense say
did the Russian units of Defense say
did the Russian units of Defense say this is 14th of July 2014 three days
this is 14th of July 2014 three days
this is 14th of July 2014 three days before I met 17 was shot down and I say
before I met 17 was shot down and I say
before I met 17 was shot down and I say look this is a Ukrainian military base
look this is a Ukrainian military base
look this is a Ukrainian military base and there’s a buk missile launcher
and there’s a buk missile launcher
and there’s a buk missile launcher standing there now we have a satellite
standing there now we have a satellite
standing there now we have a satellite imagery of the 17th of July the day that
imagery of the 17th of July the day that
imagery of the 17th of July the day that I met 17 was shot down it’s not that
I met 17 was shot down it’s not that
I met 17 was shot down it’s not that well obviously there’s very interesting
well obviously there’s very interesting
well obviously there’s very interesting information we don’t care what the
information we don’t care what the
information we don’t care what the outcome is
outcome is
outcome is we just want to fact-check stuff maybe
we just want to fact-check stuff maybe
we just want to fact-check stuff maybe they’re right maybe this this is the one
they’re right maybe this this is the one
they’re right maybe this this is the one we’ve been tracking right but then we
we’ve been tracking right but then we
we’ve been tracking right but then we started ok can we date those images so
started ok can we date those images so
started ok can we date those images so we start looking on open source
we start looking on open source
we start looking on open source satellite imagery for example available
satellite imagery for example available
satellite imagery for example available through Google Earth and we compare them
through Google Earth and we compare them
through Google Earth and we compare them with the dates and what we see here in
with the dates and what we see here in
with the dates and what we see here in the top corner is this stretch of trees
the top corner is this stretch of trees
the top corner is this stretch of trees right this is 14th of July if we go to
right this is 14th of July if we go to
right this is 14th of July if we go to open source imagery of the 17th of July
open source imagery of the 17th of July
open source imagery of the 17th of July we can see there no trees there ok it
we can see there no trees there ok it
we can see there no trees there ok it could be that in 3 days that they cut
could be that in 3 days that they cut
could be that in 3 days that they cut down all the trees could be but if we
down all the trees could be but if we
down all the trees could be but if we start listing all the open source
start listing all the open source
start listing all the open source satellite image of that location we can
satellite image of that location we can
satellite image of that location we can see that on the second 17 and 21st there
see that on the second 17 and 21st there
see that on the second 17 and 21st there were no trees standing at that location
were no trees standing at that location
were no trees standing at that location so how on earth is is possible that on
so how on earth is is possible that on
so how on earth is is possible that on the Russian Minister of Defense imagery
the Russian Minister of Defense imagery
the Russian Minister of Defense imagery on the 14th of July there’s suddenly
on the 14th of July there’s suddenly
on the 14th of July there’s suddenly three standing there and this was one
three standing there and this was one
three standing there and this was one indication that they presented during
indication that they presented during
indication that they presented during this press conference four days after
this press conference four days after
this press conference four days after the aircraft was shot down misstated
the aircraft was shot down misstated
the aircraft was shot down misstated satellite imagery this has nothing to do
satellite imagery this has nothing to do
satellite imagery this has nothing to do with those days this was from way before
with those days this was from way before
with those days this was from way before those images so this only created more
those images so this only created more
those images so this only created more interested investigating okay can we
interested investigating okay can we
interested investigating okay can we track where this baktun came from
track where this baktun came from
track where this baktun came from because of his aquiline came from this
because of his aquiline came from this
because of his aquiline came from this base but there was one problem look at
base but there was one problem look at
base but there was one problem look at this video look how many similar
this video look how many similar
this video look how many similar vehicles are on deep load is here on the
vehicles are on deep load is here on the
vehicles are on deep load is here on the back of trucks how could we be sure that
back of trucks how could we be sure that
back of trucks how could we be sure that we’re tracing the right vehicle in the
we’re tracing the right vehicle in the
we’re tracing the right vehicle in the area so my colleague at Belen CAD came
area so my colleague at Belen CAD came
area so my colleague at Belen CAD came up with an idea with the side-skirts
up with an idea with the side-skirts
up with an idea with the side-skirts fingerprint it’s basically comparing
fingerprint it’s basically comparing
fingerprint it’s basically comparing above the the the wheels there is this
above the the the wheels there is this
above the the the wheels there is this side skirt and it damages along the way
side skirt and it damages along the way
side skirt and it damages along the way it’s being driven along the way it’s
it’s being driven along the way it’s
it’s being driven along the way it’s being used so we build a database of all
being used so we build a database of all
being used so we build a database of all the BOK anti-aircraft missiles that were
the BOK anti-aircraft missiles that were
the BOK anti-aircraft missiles that were being spotted on social media images in
being spotted on social media images in
being spotted on social media images in the area just to be sure were tracing
the area just to be sure were tracing
the area just to be sure were tracing the right vehicle and in that way we
the right vehicle and in that way we
the right vehicle and in that way we were able to trace the vehicle also
were able to trace the vehicle also
were able to trace the vehicle also across the border going back in time so
across the border going back in time so
across the border going back in time so these are digital footsteps of a
these are digital footsteps of a
these are digital footsteps of a anti-aircraft missile June 25 June 24
anti-aircraft missile June 25 June 24
anti-aircraft missile June 25 June 24 and it ended at June 23 around the city
and it ended at June 23 around the city
and it ended at June 23 around the city called Kursk so we thought okay maybe
called Kursk so we thought okay maybe
called Kursk so we thought okay maybe maybe there is a anti-aircraft Brigade
maybe there is a anti-aircraft Brigade
maybe there is a anti-aircraft Brigade stationed there and there was you could
stationed there and there was you could
stationed there and there was you could tap it into Google and there is and
tap it into Google and there is and
tap it into Google and there is and surprise surprise they’re active on
surprise surprise they’re active on
surprise surprise they’re active on social media they have a social media
social media they have a social media
social media they have a social media page and there were so kind to post a
page and there were so kind to post a
page and there were so kind to post a list of attendances of people that are
list of attendances of people that are
list of attendances of people that are in certain units so we just typed those
in certain units so we just typed those
in certain units so we just typed those two names into social media you find the
two names into social media you find the
two names into social media you find the social media profiles now this is not
social media profiles now this is not
social media profiles now this is not interesting photo but I also post
interesting photo but I also post
interesting photo but I also post pictures of the military convoys giving
pictures of the military convoys giving
pictures of the military convoys giving more open source information and
more open source information and
more open source information and sometimes we didn’t even have to
sometimes we didn’t even have to
sometimes we didn’t even have to geolocate it because they would post in
geolocate it because they would post in
geolocate it because they would post in front of the pictures where they’re
front of the pictures where they’re
front of the pictures where they’re traveling through this is so much open
traveling through this is so much open
traveling through this is so much open source information that we could make a
source information that we could make a
source information that we could make a solid case that mh17 was shot down by
solid case that mh17 was shot down by
solid case that mh17 was shot down by this buk missile launcher which was
this buk missile launcher which was
this buk missile launcher which was supplied by Russia to separatists this
supplied by Russia to separatists this
supplied by Russia to separatists this is not to say it’s not a smoking gun we
is not to say it’s not a smoking gun we
is not to say it’s not a smoking gun we don’t know what happened inside the
don’t know what happened inside the
don’t know what happened inside the vehicle we don’t know who traveled
vehicle we don’t know who traveled
vehicle we don’t know who traveled inside but we have been able to identify
inside but we have been able to identify
inside but we have been able to identify the people that were responsible for
the people that were responsible for
the people that were responsible for this unit and even for this specific
this unit and even for this specific
this unit and even for this specific vehicle now obviously all those names
vehicle now obviously all those names
vehicle now obviously all those names are here anonymized but this information
are here anonymized but this information
are here anonymized but this information we have been we gave to the joint
we have been we gave to the joint
we have been we gave to the joint investigative team which is led by the
investigative team which is led by the
investigative team which is led by the dutch authorities about the dutch police
dutch authorities about the dutch police
dutch authorities about the dutch police and obviously well everybody who’s been
and obviously well everybody who’s been
and obviously well everybody who’s been following this has seen that this is
following this has seen that this is
following this has seen that this is indeed has been confirmed the things we
indeed has been confirmed the things we
indeed has been confirmed the things we found by the enjoyed investigative team
found by the enjoyed investigative team
found by the enjoyed investigative team this really shows the strength of what
this really shows the strength of what
this really shows the strength of what you can do from behind your laptop due
you can do from behind your laptop due
you can do from behind your laptop due to figuring out what the facts are but i
to figuring out what the facts are but i
to figuring out what the facts are but i want to show you another example and
want to show you another example and
want to show you another example and that’s the example how sometimes an
that’s the example how sometimes an
that’s the example how sometimes an investigation just starts we have a
investigation just starts we have a
investigation just starts we have a social media post here and it says there
social media post here and it says there
social media post here and it says there has been an airstrike happening on a
has been an airstrike happening on a
has been an airstrike happening on a mosque in syria
mosque in syria
mosque in syria okay sure we have this claim there were
okay sure we have this claim there were
okay sure we have this claim there were more people talking about it okay it was
more people talking about it okay it was
more people talking about it okay it was Russia that bombed the mosque and then
Russia that bombed the mosque and then
Russia that bombed the mosque and then you see those headlines showing up in
you see those headlines showing up in
you see those headlines showing up in international media at least 42 death in
international media at least 42 death in
international media at least 42 death in Russian raids on Aleppo mosque
Russian raids on Aleppo mosque
Russian raids on Aleppo mosque would be easy to investigate Russia
would be easy to investigate Russia
would be easy to investigate Russia again right we just saw before how
again right we just saw before how
again right we just saw before how sometimes they’re a little bit lousy
sometimes they’re a little bit lousy
sometimes they’re a little bit lousy with the social media but what we always
with the social media but what we always
with the social media but what we always do and that’s what I say and I want to
do and that’s what I say and I want to
do and that’s what I say and I want to stress again we don’t care what the
stress again we don’t care what the
stress again we don’t care what the outcome is we just won’t investigate can
outcome is we just won’t investigate can
outcome is we just won’t investigate can we confirm an airstrike took place can
we confirm an airstrike took place can
we confirm an airstrike took place can we confirm it was done by Russia and can
we confirm it was done by Russia and can
we confirm it was done by Russia and can we confirm it was a mosque well starting
we confirm it was a mosque well starting
we confirm it was a mosque well starting at looking at social media images posted
at looking at social media images posted
at looking at social media images posted from that site we also saw this image
from that site we also saw this image
from that site we also saw this image and this doesn’t look like a weapon
and this doesn’t look like a weapon
and this doesn’t look like a weapon remnant of a Russian missile because
remnant of a Russian missile because
remnant of a Russian missile because this is in Latin script and most Russian
this is in Latin script and most Russian
this is in Latin script and most Russian weapons have Cyrillic script and
weapons have Cyrillic script and
weapons have Cyrillic script and actually if we compare it to one of the
actually if we compare it to one of the
actually if we compare it to one of the most famous missiles of the US the
most famous missiles of the US the
most famous missiles of the US the Hellfire means we can see that the label
Hellfire means we can see that the label
Hellfire means we can see that the label looks very similar so this started a
looks very similar so this started a
looks very similar so this started a very long investigation and actually the
very long investigation and actually the
very long investigation and actually the US admitted they struck the mosque they
US admitted they struck the mosque they
US admitted they struck the mosque they admitted they struck the mosque or sorry
admitted they struck the mosque or sorry
admitted they struck the mosque or sorry they admitted they struck this location
they admitted they struck this location
they admitted they struck this location but they denied it was a mosque so we
but they denied it was a mosque so we
but they denied it was a mosque so we could relocate it again and so forth
could relocate it again and so forth
could relocate it again and so forth this is open source imagery but the US
this is open source imagery but the US
this is open source imagery but the US was denying that they struck a mosque
was denying that they struck a mosque
was denying that they struck a mosque they said explicitly they did instructed
they said explicitly they did instructed
they said explicitly they did instructed strike this mosque I can’t we don’t care
strike this mosque I can’t we don’t care
strike this mosque I can’t we don’t care what if it was a mosque or not would you
what if it was a mosque or not would you
what if it was a mosque or not would you want to investigate what’s the mosque or
want to investigate what’s the mosque or
want to investigate what’s the mosque or just random meeting all as they said in
just random meeting all as they said in
just random meeting all as they said in this statement released by CENTCOM from
this statement released by CENTCOM from
this statement released by CENTCOM from the Pentagon
the Pentagon
the Pentagon so we communicated with human right
so we communicated with human right
so we communicated with human right watch and forensic architecture and we
watch and forensic architecture and we
watch and forensic architecture and we all started investigations and shared
all started investigations and shared
all started investigations and shared our findings and we all the three of us
our findings and we all the three of us
our findings and we all the three of us based on open source imagery and based
based on open source imagery and based
based on open source imagery and based on human right watching testimonies we
on human right watching testimonies we
on human right watching testimonies we could only reach one conclusion and was
could only reach one conclusion and was
could only reach one conclusion and was it this building that was targeted which
it this building that was targeted which
it this building that was targeted which we see here was simply a very large
we see here was simply a very large
we see here was simply a very large mosque on the construction so what we
mosque on the construction so what we
mosque on the construction so what we did is basically get all this
did is basically get all this
did is basically get all this information together all this open
information together all this open
information together all this open source material from the site and try to
source material from the site and try to
source material from the site and try to figure out okay how did this incident
figure out okay how did this incident
figure out okay how did this incident evolve in space and time and by that
evolve in space and time and by that
evolve in space and time and by that means forensic architect to build a 3d
means forensic architect to build a 3d
means forensic architect to build a 3d model of the model putting all those
model of the model putting all those
model of the model putting all those puzzle pieces on that just to get a
puzzle pieces on that just to get a
puzzle pieces on that just to get a better impression what was this building
better impression what was this building
better impression what was this building being useful so we can see here for
being useful so we can see here for
being useful so we can see here for example a very large bomb crater and we
example a very large bomb crater and we
example a very large bomb crater and we can see how this event evolved in space
can see how this event evolved in space
can see how this event evolved in space and time
so these were two large bomb craters
so these were two large bomb craters consistent with 500-pound bombs each so
consistent with 500-pound bombs each so
consistent with 500-pound bombs each so this is they evaporated the whole north
this is they evaporated the whole north
this is they evaporated the whole north part of the building but we also found
part of the building but we also found
part of the building but we also found footage from before the strike and this
footage from before the strike and this
footage from before the strike and this is very important because people were
is very important because people were
is very important because people were saying oh they just said it was a mosque
saying oh they just said it was a mosque
saying oh they just said it was a mosque after the air strike but then this image
after the air strike but then this image
after the air strike but then this image can actually see on top of the building
can actually see on top of the building
can actually see on top of the building the advance speaker for example used for
the advance speaker for example used for
the advance speaker for example used for the call to prayer what we can also see
the call to prayer what we can also see
the call to prayer what we can also see is a sign of the mosque entrance showing
is a sign of the mosque entrance showing
is a sign of the mosque entrance showing it was in the site even a better kitab
it was in the site even a better kitab
it was in the site even a better kitab mosque also a footage from inside
mosque also a footage from inside
mosque also a footage from inside showing more images that basically
showing more images that basically
showing more images that basically everything points about it being a
everything points about it being a
everything points about it being a mosque so we challenged the Pentagon and
mosque so we challenged the Pentagon and
mosque so we challenged the Pentagon and again they said no okay fair enough you
again they said no okay fair enough you
again they said no okay fair enough you didn’t investigation but it’s not a
didn’t investigation but it’s not a
didn’t investigation but it’s not a mosque you just don’t have the
mosque you just don’t have the
mosque you just don’t have the intelligence the Intel we have well it’s
intelligence the Intel we have well it’s
intelligence the Intel we have well it’s fair enough it’s right but based on
fair enough it’s right but based on
fair enough it’s right but based on these kind of images we had to stick to
these kind of images we had to stick to
these kind of images we had to stick to a conclusion is simply there’s even a
a conclusion is simply there’s even a
a conclusion is simply there’s even a measure up which shows the direction to
measure up which shows the direction to
measure up which shows the direction to Mecca why you have to pray
Mecca why you have to pray
Mecca why you have to pray well the Pentagon did start an internal
well the Pentagon did start an internal
well the Pentagon did start an internal investigation and after a few weeks they
investigation and after a few weeks they
investigation and after a few weeks they had to admit that they were wrong and
had to admit that they were wrong and
had to admit that they were wrong and they indeed struck a large mosque
they indeed struck a large mosque
they indeed struck a large mosque complex so this to me really showed the
complex so this to me really showed the
complex so this to me really showed the power of these kind of investigations
power of these kind of investigations
power of these kind of investigations you’re able to challenge one of the most
you’re able to challenge one of the most
you’re able to challenge one of the most powerful if not the most powerful
powerful if not the most powerful
powerful if not the most powerful Ministry of Defense this is just one
Ministry of Defense this is just one
Ministry of Defense this is just one example of an airstrike of thousands one
example of an airstrike of thousands one
example of an airstrike of thousands one was looking at this on a daily basis is
was looking at this on a daily basis is
was looking at this on a daily basis is Syria in Iraq and the larger the circle
Syria in Iraq and the larger the circle
Syria in Iraq and the larger the circle the more airstrikes and the more we
the more airstrikes and the more we
the more airstrikes and the more we think civilian casualties and it’s just
think civilian casualties and it’s just
think civilian casualties and it’s just too much to investigate well having that
too much to investigate well having that
too much to investigate well having that set I hope I have could have shown you a
set I hope I have could have shown you a
set I hope I have could have shown you a little bit of how the group of mice
little bit of how the group of mice
little bit of how the group of mice works together from around borders from
works together from around borders from
works together from around borders from around the world from different
around the world from different
around the world from different professions but only using a laptop and
professions but only using a laptop and
professions but only using a laptop and an internet connection thank you
an internet connection thank you
an internet connection thank you [Applause]
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