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The Neglected Curiosity | Richard Berman | TEDxDenisonU


I’m going to start with a story from my

I’m going to start with a story from my own background that took place in 1995

own background that took place in 1995

own background that took place in 1995 my closest faculty friend at the first

my closest faculty friend at the first

my closest faculty friend at the first college I served in such a role that I

college I served in such a role that I

college I served in such a role that I do here now

do here now

do here now was Larry bright board it’s a professor

was Larry bright board it’s a professor

was Larry bright board it’s a professor and chair of anthropology and he had

and chair of anthropology and he had

and chair of anthropology and he had after 20 years or so secured an

after 20 years or so secured an

after 20 years or so secured an opportunity to become the chief academic

opportunity to become the chief academic

opportunity to become the chief academic officer at a college a little south of

officer at a college a little south of

officer at a college a little south of where we were in Wisconsin Knox College

where we were in Wisconsin Knox College

where we were in Wisconsin Knox College and kales burg Illinois Larry had been

and kales burg Illinois Larry had been

and kales burg Illinois Larry had been invited in 1995 prior to his departure

invited in 1995 prior to his departure

invited in 1995 prior to his departure to deliver what was perhaps a precursor

to deliver what was perhaps a precursor

to deliver what was perhaps a precursor to tedxtalks

to tedxtalks

to tedxtalks this was common on college and

this was common on college and

this was common on college and university campuses and it was called

university campuses and it was called

university campuses and it was called the last lecture series the premise was

the last lecture series the premise was

the last lecture series the premise was an esteemed faculty member or staff

an esteemed faculty member or staff

an esteemed faculty member or staff member from a college was invited by the

member from a college was invited by the

member from a college was invited by the community to deliver a lecture under the

community to deliver a lecture under the

community to deliver a lecture under the premise that it would be the last one

premise that it would be the last one

premise that it would be the last one that they would ever deliver so in Larry

that they would ever deliver so in Larry

that they would ever deliver so in Larry bright board’s case it was indeed his

bright board’s case it was indeed his

bright board’s case it was indeed his last lecture at Beloit College and what

last lecture at Beloit College and what

last lecture at Beloit College and what he spoke of was to his students mainly

he spoke of was to his students mainly

he spoke of was to his students mainly that he had it that he was still

that he had it that he was still

that he had it that he was still changing that he was still growing that

changing that he was still growing that

changing that he was still growing that he wasn’t done yet he wasn’t finished

he wasn’t done yet he wasn’t finished

he wasn’t done yet he wasn’t finished yet that he was a work in progress

yet that he was a work in progress

yet that he was a work in progress and I’ve always remembered that and so

and I’ve always remembered that and so

and I’ve always remembered that and so when I was invited to deliver a TEDx

when I was invited to deliver a TEDx

when I was invited to deliver a TEDx talk here given what dr. Kennedy

talk here given what dr. Kennedy

talk here given what dr. Kennedy mentioned that I’m retiring in three

mentioned that I’m retiring in three

mentioned that I’m retiring in three months almost exactly and that I am 64

months almost exactly and that I am 64

months almost exactly and that I am 64 and 19 twentieths years old so in about

and 19 twentieths years old so in about

and 19 twentieths years old so in about 18 days I’ll turn 65 and it made me

18 days I’ll turn 65 and it made me

18 days I’ll turn 65 and it made me reflect myself on what unites

reflect myself on what unites

reflect myself on what unites what do I have to offer well you need to

what do I have to offer well you need to

what do I have to offer well you need to know that professionally is was

know that professionally is was

know that professionally is was mentioned I’m a career counselor and

mentioned I’m a career counselor and

mentioned I’m a career counselor and I’ve been doing that for 35 years and so

I’ve been doing that for 35 years and so

I’ve been doing that for 35 years and so I tried to narrow it down to one point

I tried to narrow it down to one point

I tried to narrow it down to one point that I could offer and thank you for

that I could offer and thank you for

that I could offer and thank you for letting me be a little self-indulgent to

letting me be a little self-indulgent to

letting me be a little self-indulgent to describe a little bit of my personal

describe a little bit of my personal

describe a little bit of my personal story and I just want to do a little

story and I just want to do a little

story and I just want to do a little more of that

more of that

more of that so 1995 was 22 years ago and Here I am

so 1995 was 22 years ago and Here I am

so 1995 was 22 years ago and Here I am about to retire it’s pretty surreal and

about to retire it’s pretty surreal and

about to retire it’s pretty surreal and you come to grips with that and you kind

you come to grips with that and you kind

you come to grips with that and you kind of rock back and forth between I’m ready

of rock back and forth between I’m ready

of rock back and forth between I’m ready and I’m not done yet

and I’m not done yet

and I’m not done yet at least with that word so I was on an

at least with that word so I was on an

at least with that word so I was on an airline a couple of years ago and I had

airline a couple of years ago and I had

airline a couple of years ago and I had a seat in the back and as I went to the

a seat in the back and as I went to the

a seat in the back and as I went to the back

back

back I used my person observation skills by

I used my person observation skills by

I used my person observation skills by the time I got to you know 33 a I had

the time I got to you know 33 a I had

the time I got to you know 33 a I had noticed all the folks and I said you

noticed all the folks and I said you

noticed all the folks and I said you know there aren’t any old folks on this

know there aren’t any old folks on this

know there aren’t any old folks on this plane and then I realized I’m the old

plane and then I realized I’m the old

plane and then I realized I’m the old folks and this was just a couple of

folks and this was just a couple of

folks and this was just a couple of years ago so there’s that I would

years ago so there’s that I would

years ago so there’s that I would contend that at age 64 in 1920s I have

contend that at age 64 in 1920s I have

contend that at age 64 in 1920s I have felt like an adult maybe four or five

felt like an adult maybe four or five

felt like an adult maybe four or five times and so I have to grapple with that

times and so I have to grapple with that

times and so I have to grapple with that as I look at the next chapter of my

as I look at the next chapter of my

as I look at the next chapter of my experience so here’s the topic I’ve

experience so here’s the topic I’ve

experience so here’s the topic I’ve chosen and I’m as laurel mentioned I’ve

chosen and I’m as laurel mentioned I’ve

chosen and I’m as laurel mentioned I’ve been curious about curiosity and this is

been curious about curiosity and this is

been curious about curiosity and this is framed by the work I do with

framed by the work I do with

framed by the work I do with undergraduates as they try and imagine

undergraduates as they try and imagine

undergraduates as they try and imagine their next chapter or their next summer

their next chapter or their next summer

their next chapter or their next summer and it comes to bear and that’ll I’ll

and it comes to bear and that’ll I’ll

and it comes to bear and that’ll I’ll shed some light on that in a little bit

shed some light on that in a little bit

shed some light on that in a little bit but where it all begins is I started

but where it all begins is I started

but where it all begins is I started with some definitions I looked up kiri

with some definitions I looked up kiri

with some definitions I looked up kiri in any number of dictionaries and other

in any number of dictionaries and other

in any number of dictionaries and other sources and I couldn’t find the

sources and I couldn’t find the

sources and I couldn’t find the definition I had hoped to see every

definition I had hoped to see every

definition I had hoped to see every definition of curiosity intellectual

definition of curiosity intellectual

definition of curiosity intellectual curiosity historical curiosity you name

curiosity historical curiosity you name

curiosity historical curiosity you name it

it

it focused on F being curious external of

focused on F being curious external of

focused on F being curious external of ourselves and I was looking for a

ourselves and I was looking for a

ourselves and I was looking for a definition that looked at curiosity

definition that looked at curiosity

definition that looked at curiosity within of what we have inside ourselves

within of what we have inside ourselves

within of what we have inside ourselves and how we use that and how we become

and how we use that and how we become

and how we use that and how we become curious about who we are and what we

curious about who we are and what we

curious about who we are and what we have and what our potential is I then

have and what our potential is I then

have and what our potential is I then looked at other words I lived up

looked at other words I lived up

looked at other words I lived up motivation I looked at purpose

motivation I looked at purpose

motivation I looked at purpose I looked up Drive and a number of other

I looked up Drive and a number of other

I looked up Drive and a number of other terms and I still didn’t find that

terms and I still didn’t find that

terms and I still didn’t find that internal focus on curiosity I reflected

internal focus on curiosity I reflected

internal focus on curiosity I reflected in my graduate studies in my counseling

in my graduate studies in my counseling

in my graduate studies in my counseling psychology cognate and I remember

psychology cognate and I remember

psychology cognate and I remember Maslow’s hierarchy of needs

Maslow’s hierarchy of needs

Maslow’s hierarchy of needs now I’ve as you can probably tell I have

now I’ve as you can probably tell I have

now I’ve as you can probably tell I have eliminated the descriptions with the

eliminated the descriptions with the

eliminated the descriptions with the first four levels of need they’re rather

first four levels of need they’re rather

first four levels of need they’re rather basic so that we can focus on

basic so that we can focus on

basic so that we can focus on self-actualization and descriptions

self-actualization and descriptions

self-actualization and descriptions there are more morality creativity

there are more morality creativity

there are more morality creativity spontaneity problem-solving lack of

spontaneity problem-solving lack of

spontaneity problem-solving lack of prejudice acceptance of facts and

prejudice acceptance of facts and

prejudice acceptance of facts and there’s more and Maslow used another

there’s more and Maslow used another

there’s more and Maslow used another phrase as I recall that went to

phrase as I recall that went to

phrase as I recall that went to exceptional moments of performance so I

exceptional moments of performance so I

exceptional moments of performance so I thought about that and I’m going to

thought about that and I’m going to

thought about that and I’m going to invoke because it’s March Madness a

invoke because it’s March Madness a

invoke because it’s March Madness a sports a series of sports metaphors so

sports a series of sports metaphors so

sports a series of sports metaphors so I’ve imagined the distance runner in a

I’ve imagined the distance runner in a

I’ve imagined the distance runner in a marathon at Mile 20 two hits what is

marathon at Mile 20 two hits what is

marathon at Mile 20 two hits what is called the wall pushes through it finds

called the wall pushes through it finds

called the wall pushes through it finds a different level of oven within

a different level of oven within

a different level of oven within themselves and makes it to the finish

themselves and makes it to the finish

themselves and makes it to the finish line

think of a diver

think of a diver who shoots for that perfectly clean

who shoots for that perfectly clean

who shoots for that perfectly clean entry the gymnast who sticks our landing

entry the gymnast who sticks our landing

entry the gymnast who sticks our landing and because it’s March the hoops folks

and because it’s March the hoops folks

and because it’s March the hoops folks who dig within themselves rise to the

who dig within themselves rise to the

who dig within themselves rise to the occasion and find their weights in a

occasion and find their weights in a

occasion and find their weights in a next level of performance so it sounds

next level of performance so it sounds

next level of performance so it sounds pretty good so far well it’s not easy

pretty good so far well it’s not easy

pretty good so far well it’s not easy you have to overcome fear you have to

you have to overcome fear you have to

you have to overcome fear you have to start somewhere and you have to take

start somewhere and you have to take

start somewhere and you have to take risks so I want to talk now and kind of

risks so I want to talk now and kind of

risks so I want to talk now and kind of bring it to to the end in terms of

bring it to to the end in terms of

bring it to to the end in terms of looking at our capacity my capacity your

looking at our capacity my capacity your

looking at our capacity my capacity your capacity what if you applied those same

capacity what if you applied those same

capacity what if you applied those same concepts because again I’m a career

concepts because again I’m a career

concepts because again I’m a career counselor by training in nature and

counselor by training in nature and

counselor by training in nature and passion what if you applied those same

passion what if you applied those same

passion what if you applied those same concepts of extreme peak performance in

concepts of extreme peak performance in

concepts of extreme peak performance in looking at your own capacity and through

looking at your own capacity and through

looking at your own capacity and through my lens what if you looked at your next

my lens what if you looked at your next

my lens what if you looked at your next chapters of that next internship of that

chapters of that next internship of that

chapters of that next internship of that next job search of applying to graduate

next job search of applying to graduate

next job search of applying to graduate or professional school of seeking a

or professional school of seeking a

or professional school of seeking a fellowship and went to that concept of

fellowship and went to that concept of

fellowship and went to that concept of looking within ourselves aren’t you

looking within ourselves aren’t you

looking within ourselves aren’t you curious to know what you have inside you

curious to know what you have inside you

curious to know what you have inside you of what your next level is and it can be

of what your next level is and it can be

of what your next level is and it can be it won’t be something that’s sustainable

it won’t be something that’s sustainable

it won’t be something that’s sustainable over time like many other aspects and

over time like many other aspects and

over time like many other aspects and facets of life it comes and goes

facets of life it comes and goes

facets of life it comes and goes happiness comes and goes is another

happiness comes and goes is another

happiness comes and goes is another example of fleeting and ebbing and

example of fleeting and ebbing and

example of fleeting and ebbing and flowing but what if you push your

flowing but what if you push your

flowing but what if you push your capacity in terms of your next chapter

capacity in terms of your next chapter

capacity in terms of your next chapter in life so here’s where I want to

in life so here’s where I want to

in life so here’s where I want to conclude with this and that is I see so

conclude with this and that is I see so

conclude with this and that is I see so many of the students I’ve worked with

many of the students I’ve worked with

many of the students I’ve worked with over the years and decades going through

over the years and decades going through

over the years and decades going through a computer looking at all the jobs or in

a computer looking at all the jobs or in

a computer looking at all the jobs or in ships that are out there and they have

ships that are out there and they have

ships that are out there and they have one of three reactions for some they see

one of three reactions for some they see

one of three reactions for some they see thank goodness they say yuck for others

thank goodness they say yuck for others

thank goodness they say yuck for others they see occasionally they’ll say

they see occasionally they’ll say

they see occasionally they’ll say something like well that’s cool the one

something like well that’s cool the one

something like well that’s cool the one I always worry about is the third and

I always worry about is the third and

I always worry about is the third and that is when you look at an opportunity

that is when you look at an opportunity

that is when you look at an opportunity and you say I guess I could that’s the

and you say I guess I could that’s the

and you say I guess I could that’s the one that freaks me out a little bit but

one that freaks me out a little bit but

one that freaks me out a little bit but what if you didn’t take that approach of

what if you didn’t take that approach of

what if you didn’t take that approach of just looking online or doing things in

just looking online or doing things in

just looking online or doing things in addition to that and that when you’re

addition to that and that when you’re

addition to that and that when you’re applying for opportunities and you get

applying for opportunities and you get

applying for opportunities and you get to the point of the interview so many

to the point of the interview so many

to the point of the interview so many people worry that the interview the

people worry that the interview the

people worry that the interview the interviewer has all the power I would

interviewer has all the power I would

interviewer has all the power I would contend that that’s not the case my

contend that that’s not the case my

contend that that’s not the case my contention is you have the power and

contention is you have the power and

contention is you have the power and that’s what the interviewers are looking

that’s what the interviewers are looking

that’s what the interviewers are looking for and hoping to see and rarely find

for and hoping to see and rarely find

for and hoping to see and rarely find ask yourself have you ever been accused

ask yourself have you ever been accused

ask yourself have you ever been accused of being arrogant and I would say the

of being arrogant and I would say the

of being arrogant and I would say the vast majority of students Dennis and

vast majority of students Dennis and

vast majority of students Dennis and their answer would be no so what’s the

their answer would be no so what’s the

their answer would be no so what’s the risk there push yourself take that risk

risk there push yourself take that risk

risk there push yourself take that risk and instead of the driver bait to figure

and instead of the driver bait to figure

and instead of the driver bait to figure out what the interviewers and employers

out what the interviewers and employers

out what the interviewers and employers and grad schools want to hear instead

and grad schools want to hear instead

and grad schools want to hear instead let your internal driver be how can I

let your internal driver be how can I

let your internal driver be how can I make sure that they understand who the

make sure that they understand who the

make sure that they understand who the hell I am and what I bring to the table

hell I am and what I bring to the table

hell I am and what I bring to the table and what I have to offer it’s through

and what I have to offer it’s through

and what I have to offer it’s through that internal power and internal

that internal power and internal

that internal power and internal strength that you can find your next

strength that you can find your next

strength that you can find your next level start now life is short goes by in

level start now life is short goes by in

level start now life is short goes by in a blink don’t wait that

a blink don’t wait that

a blink don’t wait that self-actualization frame that pinnacle

self-actualization frame that pinnacle

self-actualization frame that pinnacle of the pyramid most of us look at that

of the pyramid most of us look at that

of the pyramid most of us look at that and say well that’s way later in life no

and say well that’s way later in life no

and say well that’s way later in life no it’s now start now power up you’re

it’s now start now power up you’re

it’s now start now power up you’re needed out there

needed out there

needed out there okay so with that I just want to close

okay so with that I just want to close

okay so with that I just want to close with a couple more personal reflections

with a couple more personal reflections

with a couple more personal reflections never let anybody subjugate your

never let anybody subjugate your

never let anybody subjugate your internal strength your power your Verve

internal strength your power your Verve

internal strength your power your Verve your charisma your mojo okay and show

your charisma your mojo okay and show

your charisma your mojo okay and show them who you are so I’m done because I

them who you are so I’m done because I

them who you are so I’m done because I have to go figure out what I’m going to

have to go figure out what I’m going to

have to go figure out what I’m going to be when I grow up

be when I grow up

be when I grow up Thanks

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