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The Low Road or the High Road? | Claire McCully | TEDxCarsonCity


do I belong in hell am i traveling down

do I belong in hell am i traveling down the low road we’re going up the high

the low road we’re going up the high

the low road we’re going up the high road in 1986 when I was 12 years old I

road in 1986 when I was 12 years old I

road in 1986 when I was 12 years old I had the opportunity to contemplate this

had the opportunity to contemplate this

had the opportunity to contemplate this question after watching an episode of

question after watching an episode of

question after watching an episode of The Twilight Zone it was a story titled

The Twilight Zone it was a story titled

The Twilight Zone it was a story titled dead run and it was about a truck driver

dead run and it was about a truck driver

dead run and it was about a truck driver who drove drove the souls of the dead to

who drove drove the souls of the dead to

who drove drove the souls of the dead to hell and the imagery of that show that

hell and the imagery of that show that

hell and the imagery of that show that still haunts me when I look back I

still haunts me when I look back I

still haunts me when I look back I realized that the imagery mirrored the

realized that the imagery mirrored the

realized that the imagery mirrored the imagery during the Holocaust and those

imagery during the Holocaust and those

imagery during the Holocaust and those pictures where they basically shoved

pictures where they basically shoved

pictures where they basically shoved people into the boxcars to send them off

people into the boxcars to send them off

people into the boxcars to send them off to the concentration camps in this case

to the concentration camps in this case

to the concentration camps in this case they were shoving these Souls into the

they were shoving these Souls into the

they were shoving these Souls into the back of cattle trucks so the driver at

back of cattle trucks so the driver at

back of cattle trucks so the driver at some point he realizes that hell is

some point he realizes that hell is

some point he realizes that hell is really overcrowded and he’s just

really overcrowded and he’s just

really overcrowded and he’s just wondering like why are there’s so many

wondering like why are there’s so many

wondering like why are there’s so many people going down here so he decides to

people going down here so he decides to

people going down here so he decides to interview the people in the back of his

interview the people in the back of his

interview the people in the back of his truck and when he goes back to ask them

truck and when he goes back to ask them

truck and when he goes back to ask them what their crimes against God are some

what their crimes against God are some

what their crimes against God are some of them admit to their evil ways but at

of them admit to their evil ways but at

of them admit to their evil ways but at least four of them are very bewildered

least four of them are very bewildered

least four of them are very bewildered about why they were there one of them is

about why they were there one of them is

about why they were there one of them is this elderly lady who confesses that she

this elderly lady who confesses that she

this elderly lady who confesses that she was a public librarian who protected

was a public librarian who protected

was a public librarian who protected some controversial books on her shelves

some controversial books on her shelves

some controversial books on her shelves another man says well I the draft I

another man says well I the draft I

another man says well I the draft I didn’t want to kill anyone

didn’t want to kill anyone

didn’t want to kill anyone and another woman says well I was a

and another woman says well I was a

and another woman says well I was a junkie and I shot myself up with all

junkie and I shot myself up with all

junkie and I shot myself up with all kinds of poison

kinds of poison

kinds of poison I was stupid but I didn’t hurt anyone

I was stupid but I didn’t hurt anyone

I was stupid but I didn’t hurt anyone else and finally they get to this young

else and finally they get to this young

else and finally they get to this young man who looks potentially more

man who looks potentially more

man who looks potentially more bewildered than anyone else he says I

bewildered than anyone else he says I

bewildered than anyone else he says I don’t I don’t know why I’m here I don’t

don’t I don’t know why I’m here I don’t

don’t I don’t know why I’m here I don’t unless no that’s crazy they wouldn’t put

unless no that’s crazy they wouldn’t put

unless no that’s crazy they wouldn’t put me here just for being gay

me here just for being gay

me here just for being gay so the truck driver in his wisdom he

so the truck driver in his wisdom he

so the truck driver in his wisdom he realizes these four are innocent and he

realizes these four are innocent and he

realizes these four are innocent and he sets them go he let

sets them go he let

sets them go he let out of the back of his truck and he lets

out of the back of his truck and he lets

out of the back of his truck and he lets them go to points them in the general

them go to points them in the general

them go to points them in the general direction of the high road and one of

direction of the high road and one of

direction of the high road and one of the other things I really remember about

the other things I really remember about

the other things I really remember about this moment in this experience was I was

this moment in this experience was I was

this moment in this experience was I was watching it with someone else in my

watching it with someone else in my

watching it with someone else in my family and this person who liked the

family and this person who liked the

family and this person who liked the rest of my family didn’t really buy into

rest of my family didn’t really buy into

rest of my family didn’t really buy into the salvation being sold at our local

the salvation being sold at our local

the salvation being sold at our local small town churches and wasn’t fond of

small town churches and wasn’t fond of

small town churches and wasn’t fond of Hellfire and brimstone

Hellfire and brimstone

Hellfire and brimstone she didn’t object to three of the people

she didn’t object to three of the people

she didn’t object to three of the people being set go the the librarian the

being set go the the librarian the

being set go the the librarian the draft-dodger and even the junkie but she

draft-dodger and even the junkie but she

draft-dodger and even the junkie but she complained that last one that last one

complained that last one that last one

complained that last one that last one was a mistake

was a mistake

was a mistake gays belong in hell this gave me pause

gays belong in hell this gave me pause

gays belong in hell this gave me pause this is about like 10 years before Ellen

this is about like 10 years before Ellen

this is about like 10 years before Ellen Ellen DeGeneres came out of the closet

Ellen DeGeneres came out of the closet

Ellen DeGeneres came out of the closet it was you know about a decade before

it was you know about a decade before

it was you know about a decade before the word transgender was being used and

the word transgender was being used and

the word transgender was being used and I didn’t really know what I was I just

I didn’t really know what I was I just

I didn’t really know what I was I just knew like looking at myself and kind of

knew like looking at myself and kind of

knew like looking at myself and kind of trying to figure myself out I was

trying to figure myself out I was

trying to figure myself out I was different than my four brothers and you

different than my four brothers and you

different than my four brothers and you know I any sense of what a gay man was

know I any sense of what a gay man was

know I any sense of what a gay man was like was from in the 1980s the

like was from in the 1980s the

like was from in the 1980s the television shows

television shows

television shows they offered pretty stereotypical

they offered pretty stereotypical

they offered pretty stereotypical portrayals of gay men and they just

portrayals of gay men and they just

portrayals of gay men and they just seemed more like women you know they

seemed more like women you know they

seemed more like women you know they were more flamboyant so I thought well

were more flamboyant so I thought well

were more flamboyant so I thought well maybe that’s me and I worried you know

maybe that’s me and I worried you know

maybe that’s me and I worried you know do I just like a commentary that I had

do I just like a commentary that I had

do I just like a commentary that I had belong in hell and in any moment you

belong in hell and in any moment you

belong in hell and in any moment you know when I had a chance when I was by

know when I had a chance when I was by

know when I had a chance when I was by myself you know I would I would dress up

myself you know I would I would dress up

myself you know I would I would dress up and and I would dream of being a girl

and and I would dream of being a girl

and and I would dream of being a girl but I knew that this wasn’t acceptable

but I knew that this wasn’t acceptable

but I knew that this wasn’t acceptable and I didn’t you know really worried not

and I didn’t you know really worried not

and I didn’t you know really worried not only just about my eternal salvation but

only just about my eternal salvation but

only just about my eternal salvation but also just about my family’s acceptance

also just about my family’s acceptance

also just about my family’s acceptance of me and so when I went into high

of me and so when I went into high

of me and so when I went into high school you know I did my best to really

school you know I did my best to really

school you know I did my best to really pass as a boy I really you know I got

pass as a boy I really you know I got

pass as a boy I really you know I got into fistfights I dated girls and I I

into fistfights I dated girls and I I

into fistfights I dated girls and I I you know did everything I could to sort

you know did everything I could to sort

you know did everything I could to sort of prove to myself my emerging manhood

of prove to myself my emerging manhood

of prove to myself my emerging manhood and I even went started going to church

and I even went started going to church

and I even went started going to church in my parents neighborhood and kind of

in my parents neighborhood and kind of

in my parents neighborhood and kind of felt the presence of God for the first

felt the presence of God for the first

felt the presence of God for the first time when I went to college I had I had

time when I went to college I had I had

time when I went to college I had I had been telling myself for so long you know

been telling myself for so long you know

been telling myself for so long you know when you grow up this will just go away

when you grow up this will just go away

when you grow up this will just go away you know you can get rid of this so I’m

you know you can get rid of this so I’m

you know you can get rid of this so I’m going to conquer this

going to conquer this

going to conquer this and I would hear people talk about you

and I would hear people talk about you

and I would hear people talk about you know gays in particular and they’d be

know gays in particular and they’d be

know gays in particular and they’d be like oh they can’t change that about

like oh they can’t change that about

like oh they can’t change that about themselves thought that’s a bunch of

themselves thought that’s a bunch of

themselves thought that’s a bunch of liberal nonsense but by the time I got

liberal nonsense but by the time I got

liberal nonsense but by the time I got to college in 1992 I was pretty aware

to college in 1992 I was pretty aware

to college in 1992 I was pretty aware this isn’t going away I’m kind of an

this isn’t going away I’m kind of an

this isn’t going away I’m kind of an adult now and I actually came out to my

adult now and I actually came out to my

adult now and I actually came out to my college friends at the end of when I

college friends at the end of when I

college friends at the end of when I finished my bachelor’s degree and came

finished my bachelor’s degree and came

finished my bachelor’s degree and came out as transgender and my interestingly

out as transgender and my interestingly

out as transgender and my interestingly enough my faith in God started to

enough my faith in God started to

enough my faith in God started to strengthen at this time not so much

strengthen at this time not so much

strengthen at this time not so much about that with that fear of Hell but I

about that with that fear of Hell but I

about that with that fear of Hell but I was more concerned logically that I

was more concerned logically that I

was more concerned logically that I couldn’t value other people if I didn’t

couldn’t value other people if I didn’t

couldn’t value other people if I didn’t value the universe in which we existed

value the universe in which we existed

value the universe in which we existed in thought well it’s not logical to care

in thought well it’s not logical to care

in thought well it’s not logical to care about something inside of something else

about something inside of something else

about something inside of something else that has no value and I didn’t want love

that has no value and I didn’t want love

that has no value and I didn’t want love to be this sort of self-serving illusion

to be this sort of self-serving illusion

to be this sort of self-serving illusion this mere byproduct of survival and

this mere byproduct of survival and

this mere byproduct of survival and evolution so by the time I’m getting

evolution so by the time I’m getting

evolution so by the time I’m getting ready to go to grad school I go back to

ready to go to grad school I go back to

ready to go to grad school I go back to my parents house for the summer this is

my parents house for the summer this is

my parents house for the summer this is 1997 and I’m thinking all I have kind of

1997 and I’m thinking all I have kind of

1997 and I’m thinking all I have kind of maybe the low road or the high road

maybe the low road or the high road

maybe the low road or the high road question again do I go down to grad

question again do I go down to grad

question again do I go down to grad school and present as a trans woman do I

school and present as a trans woman do I

school and present as a trans woman do I do I enter this sort of new life as

do I enter this sort of new life as

do I enter this sort of new life as myself and it tore me up inside it was

myself and it tore me up inside it was

myself and it tore me up inside it was like a tug of war on the inside and I

like a tug of war on the inside and I

like a tug of war on the inside and I you know the biggest thing I still

you know the biggest thing I still

you know the biggest thing I still didn’t want to let down my family and I

didn’t want to let down my family and I

didn’t want to let down my family and I had four brothers a sister two parents

had four brothers a sister two parents

had four brothers a sister two parents and I also I just didn’t want to be

and I also I just didn’t want to be

and I also I just didn’t want to be rejected or causing any unnecessary pain

rejected or causing any unnecessary pain

rejected or causing any unnecessary pain and so one night when I’m home from work

and so one night when I’m home from work

and so one night when I’m home from work during the summer time in my parents

during the summer time in my parents

during the summer time in my parents house they’re in bed I’m just trying to

house they’re in bed I’m just trying to

house they’re in bed I’m just trying to distract myself from this whole question

distract myself from this whole question

distract myself from this whole question I’m just trying to watch television and

I’m just trying to watch television and

I’m just trying to watch television and flip through channels and I end up in

flip through channels and I end up in

flip through channels and I end up in tears just with desperation like not

tears just with desperation like not

tears just with desperation like not sure what to do and I get to this

sure what to do and I get to this

sure what to do and I get to this televangelist and he’s saying come to

televangelist and he’s saying come to

televangelist and he’s saying come to the TV screen say this prayer with me

the TV screen say this prayer with me

the TV screen say this prayer with me put your hands up to mine and accept the

put your hands up to mine and accept the

put your hands up to mine and accept the love of Jesus in your heart accept him

love of Jesus in your heart accept him

love of Jesus in your heart accept him as a saviour and despite my love of

as a saviour and despite my love of

as a saviour and despite my love of logic and reason inexplicably I found

logic and reason inexplicably I found

logic and reason inexplicably I found myself doing just that so when I went to

myself doing just that so when I went to

myself doing just that so when I went to grad school I

grad school I

grad school I as this confident sort of born-again

as this confident sort of born-again

as this confident sort of born-again Christian who thought I could really

Christian who thought I could really

Christian who thought I could really defeat my gender identity and I met a

defeat my gender identity and I met a

defeat my gender identity and I met a girl and I fell in love with her at

girl and I fell in love with her at

girl and I fell in love with her at first sight and we dated and I told her

first sight and we dated and I told her

first sight and we dated and I told her well this is what I struggle with but I

well this is what I struggle with but I

well this is what I struggle with but I think God he wants me to be a normal man

think God he wants me to be a normal man

think God he wants me to be a normal man and so we were married for 17 years we

and so we were married for 17 years we

and so we were married for 17 years we had six kids four adopted kids two

had six kids four adopted kids two

had six kids four adopted kids two biological kids still have them and

biological kids still have them and

biological kids still have them and during that time we you know I kept

during that time we you know I kept

during that time we you know I kept going to church on Sunday I kept reading

going to church on Sunday I kept reading

going to church on Sunday I kept reading the Bible maybe not habitually but

the Bible maybe not habitually but

the Bible maybe not habitually but pretty regularly and I kept praying to

pretty regularly and I kept praying to

pretty regularly and I kept praying to God to take this away from me because it

God to take this away from me because it

God to take this away from me because it didn’t go away I was sure if I was with

didn’t go away I was sure if I was with

didn’t go away I was sure if I was with that beautiful woman I was sure that

that beautiful woman I was sure that

that beautiful woman I was sure that would fix me I mean how could I not feel

would fix me I mean how could I not feel

would fix me I mean how could I not feel like a man with this beautiful woman

like a man with this beautiful woman

like a man with this beautiful woman next to me as my wife it didn’t go away

next to me as my wife it didn’t go away

next to me as my wife it didn’t go away and it kept causing issues in our

and it kept causing issues in our

and it kept causing issues in our marriage and still you know I went to

marriage and still you know I went to

marriage and still you know I went to men’s group every week I opened up to

men’s group every week I opened up to

men’s group every week I opened up to pastors I opened up to the men in my

pastors I opened up to the men in my

pastors I opened up to the men in my men’s group and I did two marathons and

men’s group and I did two marathons and

men’s group and I did two marathons and you know kind of close to the end of our

you know kind of close to the end of our

you know kind of close to the end of our marriage when things were really getting

marriage when things were really getting

marriage when things were really getting bad I was like I’ll just be really

bad I was like I’ll just be really

bad I was like I’ll just be really masculine and I went got in shape did

masculine and I went got in shape did

masculine and I went got in shape did marathons I did two tough mudders

marathons I did two tough mudders

marathons I did two tough mudders you’ve got electrocuted and did all

you’ve got electrocuted and did all

you’ve got electrocuted and did all kinds of manly stuff and I felt kind of

kinds of manly stuff and I felt kind of

kinds of manly stuff and I felt kind of manly but it still didn’t get rid of

manly but it still didn’t get rid of

manly but it still didn’t get rid of that inner sense that I wasn’t a man

that inner sense that I wasn’t a man

that inner sense that I wasn’t a man and so in 2015 my wife decided to

and so in 2015 my wife decided to

and so in 2015 my wife decided to divorce and I don’t blame her because

divorce and I don’t blame her because

divorce and I don’t blame her because she was a heterosexual woman and I think

she was a heterosexual woman and I think

she was a heterosexual woman and I think she kind of realized it’s like okay this

she kind of realized it’s like okay this

she kind of realized it’s like okay this this guy’s having to struggle to be the

this guy’s having to struggle to be the

this guy’s having to struggle to be the man that I was attracted to so you know

man that I was attracted to so you know

man that I was attracted to so you know about two months after that divorce I

about two months after that divorce I

about two months after that divorce I ended up contemplating that question

ended up contemplating that question

ended up contemplating that question again the high road or the low road

again the high road or the low road

again the high road or the low road which one is it and I prayed to God I

which one is it and I prayed to God I

which one is it and I prayed to God I said which what do you want me to do now

said which what do you want me to do now

said which what do you want me to do now God and I got this really interesting

God and I got this really interesting

God and I got this really interesting answer that the greatest sin that I had

answer that the greatest sin that I had

answer that the greatest sin that I had committed was not being able to be

committed was not being able to be

committed was not being able to be authentic not being able to be honest

authentic not being able to be honest

authentic not being able to be honest with myself and so about you know two

with myself and so about you know two

with myself and so about you know two months ago after the divorce I decided

months ago after the divorce I decided

months ago after the divorce I decided to accept myself for who I was and

this was pretty difficult I I had

this was pretty difficult I I had previously rejected a lot of the

previously rejected a lot of the

previously rejected a lot of the religious dogma and legalism that said

religious dogma and legalism that said

religious dogma and legalism that said LGBT people are sinners are bad just for

LGBT people are sinners are bad just for

LGBT people are sinners are bad just for being themselves

being themselves

being themselves partly because those verses that the

partly because those verses that the

partly because those verses that the pastors and the counselors would point

pastors and the counselors would point

pastors and the counselors would point to when they were telling me to fix

to when they were telling me to fix

to when they were telling me to fix myself when they were telling me this

myself when they were telling me this

myself when they were telling me this was a sin when they were telling me this

was a sin when they were telling me this

was a sin when they were telling me this was something I needed to cure or they

was something I needed to cure or they

was something I needed to cure or they were comparing me to other sinners they

were comparing me to other sinners they

were comparing me to other sinners they would point to these verses in the Bible

would point to these verses in the Bible

would point to these verses in the Bible and the ones they pointed to who were

and the ones they pointed to who were

and the ones they pointed to who were from the Old Testament and from Paul

from the Old Testament and from Paul

from the Old Testament and from Paul from the writings of Paul and they were

from the writings of Paul and they were

from the writings of Paul and they were next to passages that denied women the

next to passages that denied women the

next to passages that denied women the right to teach the right to go outside

right to teach the right to go outside

right to teach the right to go outside with their heads uncovered they were

with their heads uncovered they were

with their heads uncovered they were right next to passages that were used to

right next to passages that were used to

right next to passages that were used to justify slavery and they were next to

justify slavery and they were next to

justify slavery and they were next to passages that even instructed parents to

passages that even instructed parents to

passages that even instructed parents to stone their disobedient children to

stone their disobedient children to

stone their disobedient children to death and when I looked at the Gospel

death and when I looked at the Gospel

death and when I looked at the Gospel accounts of Jesus and his teaching his

accounts of Jesus and his teaching his

accounts of Jesus and his teaching his example and his words I saw no common

example and his words I saw no common

example and his words I saw no common condemnation for people like me so after

condemnation for people like me so after

condemnation for people like me so after a little bit I chose this this tough

a little bit I chose this this tough

a little bit I chose this this tough road and my children who I love and I

road and my children who I love and I

road and my children who I love and I chose to stick around and be honest and

chose to stick around and be honest and

chose to stick around and be honest and for them it was hard they as they turn

for them it was hard they as they turn

for them it was hard they as they turn their backs on me to some degree before

their backs on me to some degree before

their backs on me to some degree before you know basically blaming me for all

you know basically blaming me for all

you know basically blaming me for all the changes in their life the divorce

the changes in their life the divorce

the changes in their life the divorce and everything I just prayed to keep my

and everything I just prayed to keep my

and everything I just prayed to keep my heart open to them and to love them no

heart open to them and to love them no

heart open to them and to love them no matter what and so I I basically came

matter what and so I I basically came

matter what and so I I basically came out a second time in 2016 and what I

out a second time in 2016 and what I

out a second time in 2016 and what I knew would be a very difficult road and

knew would be a very difficult road and

knew would be a very difficult road and the people in my church some of them

the people in my church some of them

the people in my church some of them showed me the genuine love of Christ

showed me the genuine love of Christ

showed me the genuine love of Christ some of them showed me more of what I

some of them showed me more of what I

some of them showed me more of what I expected that rejection I so much feared

expected that rejection I so much feared

expected that rejection I so much feared people are motivated by fear and hate by

people are motivated by fear and hate by

people are motivated by fear and hate by things they don’t understand and I had

things they don’t understand and I had

things they don’t understand and I had friends that I had been friends with for

friends that I had been friends with for

friends that I had been friends with for the better part of a decade who I didn’t

the better part of a decade who I didn’t

the better part of a decade who I didn’t hear from anymore

hear from anymore

hear from anymore years still don’t and if I run into them

years still don’t and if I run into them

years still don’t and if I run into them you know I can see the looks of

you know I can see the looks of

you know I can see the looks of condemnation the looks of judgment

condemnation the looks of judgment

condemnation the looks of judgment sometimes the looks of even disgust and

sometimes the looks of even disgust and

sometimes the looks of even disgust and when I asked my pastor if I could

when I asked my pastor if I could

when I asked my pastor if I could continue going to my church he said you

continue going to my church he said you

continue going to my church he said you will be a distraction I had a friend

will be a distraction I had a friend

will be a distraction I had a friend from grade school who wrote a letter to

from grade school who wrote a letter to

from grade school who wrote a letter to me and he says you have cut been cut

me and he says you have cut been cut

me and he says you have cut been cut down by the enemy and he even expressed

down by the enemy and he even expressed

down by the enemy and he even expressed the desire to cause physical harm to me

the desire to cause physical harm to me

the desire to cause physical harm to me for transitioning and I you know I just

for transitioning and I you know I just

for transitioning and I you know I just look at that and and also the messages

look at that and and also the messages

look at that and and also the messages and culture that I hear about Who I am

and culture that I hear about Who I am

and culture that I hear about Who I am that I’m an affront to traditional

that I’m an affront to traditional

that I’m an affront to traditional values that I’m you know something

values that I’m you know something

values that I’m you know something that’s against the sanctity of marriage

that’s against the sanctity of marriage

that’s against the sanctity of marriage and then I’m you know of course a threat

and then I’m you know of course a threat

and then I’m you know of course a threat to people in women’s bathrooms James

to people in women’s bathrooms James

to people in women’s bathrooms James Dobson who is a fundamentalist writer

Dobson who is a fundamentalist writer

Dobson who is a fundamentalist writer and founder of Focus on the Family he

and founder of Focus on the Family he

and founder of Focus on the Family he recently made comments that’s implied

recently made comments that’s implied

recently made comments that’s implied that real men should shoot transgender

that real men should shoot transgender

that real men should shoot transgender women to protect their wives and their

women to protect their wives and their

women to protect their wives and their children is it any wonder that

children is it any wonder that

children is it any wonder that transgender people have a hard time

transgender people have a hard time

transgender people have a hard time feeling loved feeling accepted or even

feeling loved feeling accepted or even

feeling loved feeling accepted or even feeling like they can survive let me be

feeling like they can survive let me be

feeling like they can survive let me be clear gays lesbians transgender people

clear gays lesbians transgender people

clear gays lesbians transgender people they’re just people and based on

they’re just people and based on

they’re just people and based on everything we know now scientifically

everything we know now scientifically

everything we know now scientifically they were most likely born that way even

they were most likely born that way even

they were most likely born that way even some of those Christian counselors they

some of those Christian counselors they

some of those Christian counselors they even accepted that they even admitted

even accepted that they even admitted

even accepted that they even admitted that they just said this is a thorn in

that they just said this is a thorn in

that they just said this is a thorn in your flesh you’re gonna have to fight

your flesh you’re gonna have to fight

your flesh you’re gonna have to fight for the rest of your life and just not

for the rest of your life and just not

for the rest of your life and just not do it but God you know just for the

do it but God you know just for the

do it but God you know just for the consideration of those of you who are

consideration of those of you who are

consideration of those of you who are stuck on that binary between Adam and

stuck on that binary between Adam and

stuck on that binary between Adam and Eve God has created there are 1 in 2,000

Eve God has created there are 1 in 2,000

Eve God has created there are 1 in 2,000 births that are intersexed babies that

births that are intersexed babies that

births that are intersexed babies that are born blessed with the mixture of

are born blessed with the mixture of

are born blessed with the mixture of male and female anatomy so God in His

male and female anatomy so God in His

male and female anatomy so God in His wisdom has created a lot of diversity

wisdom has created a lot of diversity

wisdom has created a lot of diversity with us and when gay and lesbian and

with us and when gay and lesbian and

with us and when gay and lesbian and transgender people accept themselves for

transgender people accept themselves for

transgender people accept themselves for who they are they’re not choosing a

who they are they’re not choosing a

who they are they’re not choosing a sinful lifestyle rather

sinful lifestyle rather

sinful lifestyle rather they’re choosing to survive they’re

they’re choosing to survive they’re

they’re choosing to survive they’re choosing to have the opportunity to love

choosing to have the opportunity to love

choosing to have the opportunity to love and be loved

and be loved

and be loved truly in return and this love thing

truly in return and this love thing

truly in return and this love thing that’s the real high road Christ when he

that’s the real high road Christ when he

that’s the real high road Christ when he was asked by the Pharisees what is the

was asked by the Pharisees what is the

was asked by the Pharisees what is the greatest commandment they thought there

greatest commandment they thought there

greatest commandment they thought there have been really tricky like we have all

have been really tricky like we have all

have been really tricky like we have all these rules and laws you know like skate

these rules and laws you know like skate

these rules and laws you know like skate you to tell us the best one he said

you to tell us the best one he said

you to tell us the best one he said here’s the greatest commandment love the

here’s the greatest commandment love the

here’s the greatest commandment love the Lord God with all your heart out of your

Lord God with all your heart out of your

Lord God with all your heart out of your mind and all your soul and second love

mind and all your soul and second love

mind and all your soul and second love your neighbor as you would love yourself

your neighbor as you would love yourself

your neighbor as you would love yourself and all the law and the prophets hang

and all the law and the prophets hang

and all the law and the prophets hang upon these two Commandments

upon these two Commandments

upon these two Commandments so gays and lesbians and transgender

so gays and lesbians and transgender

so gays and lesbians and transgender people in order to follow Christ’s

people in order to follow Christ’s

people in order to follow Christ’s teaching they need to be accepted into

teaching they need to be accepted into

teaching they need to be accepted into the church welcomed and affirmed and

the church welcomed and affirmed and

the church welcomed and affirmed and allowed to love God and they need to be

allowed to love God and they need to be

allowed to love God and they need to be allowed to love themselves if they’re

allowed to love themselves if they’re

allowed to love themselves if they’re gonna follow the commandment that Christ

gonna follow the commandment that Christ

gonna follow the commandment that Christ said is more important and what do I say

said is more important and what do I say

said is more important and what do I say to those people those Christians who

to those people those Christians who

to those people those Christians who recently drafted the nashville statement

recently drafted the nashville statement

recently drafted the nashville statement this is a statement that basically

this is a statement that basically

this is a statement that basically invalidates transgender gay people it

invalidates transgender gay people it

invalidates transgender gay people it says they’re unholy and beyond

says they’re unholy and beyond

says they’re unholy and beyond redemption what do I say to these people

redemption what do I say to these people

redemption what do I say to these people look very closely at Matthew 25 because

look very closely at Matthew 25 because

look very closely at Matthew 25 because this is where Jesus says who was

this is where Jesus says who was

this is where Jesus says who was traveling the low road makes it pretty

traveling the low road makes it pretty

traveling the low road makes it pretty clear he’s talking to two groups of

clear he’s talking to two groups of

clear he’s talking to two groups of people and he says there’s this one

people and he says there’s this one

people and he says there’s this one group that’s like the least so it’s the

group that’s like the least so it’s the

group that’s like the least so it’s the kind of the the lower members of society

kind of the the lower members of society

kind of the the lower members of society and then this other group or these

and then this other group or these

and then this other group or these self-righteous really assured people and

self-righteous really assured people and

self-righteous really assured people and he shocks these self-righteous people he

he shocks these self-righteous people he

he shocks these self-righteous people he looks at them he says be gone for me you

looks at them he says be gone for me you

looks at them he says be gone for me you who are cursed to the fire that was

who are cursed to the fire that was

who are cursed to the fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels he

prepared for the devil and his angels he

prepared for the devil and his angels he didn’t say this to him because there are

didn’t say this to him because there are

didn’t say this to him because there are old librarians or junkies or draft

old librarians or junkies or draft

old librarians or junkies or draft dodgers or even gay he said you when I

dodgers or even gay he said you when I

dodgers or even gay he said you when I was hungry you didn’t feed me when I was

was hungry you didn’t feed me when I was

was hungry you didn’t feed me when I was thirsty you didn’t give me drink when I

thirsty you didn’t give me drink when I

thirsty you didn’t give me drink when I when I need a shelter you didn’t open

when I need a shelter you didn’t open

when I need a shelter you didn’t open your door to me when I was in prison and

your door to me when I was in prison and

your door to me when I was in prison and sick you didn’t show up you didn’t show

sick you didn’t show up you didn’t show

sick you didn’t show up you didn’t show up to come for me didn’t help me they’re

up to come for me didn’t help me they’re

up to come for me didn’t help me they’re like oh you know Lord why wait when did

like oh you know Lord why wait when did

like oh you know Lord why wait when did we not help you and he said whenever you

we not help you and he said whenever you

we not help you and he said whenever you didn’t help the least of these any of

didn’t help the least of these any of

didn’t help the least of these any of these bless her people over here you did

these bless her people over here you did

these bless her people over here you did not do that for me

so when you think about now as I stand

so when you think about now as I stand before you who are those who need help

before you who are those who need help

before you who are those who need help who are the needy who are the least of

who are the needy who are the least of

who are the needy who are the least of these today transgender people like

these today transgender people like

these today transgender people like myself 60 over 60 about 65 percent of us

myself 60 over 60 about 65 percent of us

myself 60 over 60 about 65 percent of us we report being physically abused being

we report being physically abused being

we report being physically abused being the victims of violence over 40 percent

the victims of violence over 40 percent

the victims of violence over 40 percent of us attempt suicide

of us attempt suicide

of us attempt suicide so transgender people are in desperate

so transgender people are in desperate

so transgender people are in desperate need of love and desperate need of

need of love and desperate need of

need of love and desperate need of support in society and when Christ talks

support in society and when Christ talks

support in society and when Christ talks about that low road you know who’s going

about that low road you know who’s going

about that low road you know who’s going to be traveling it it’s those people who

to be traveling it it’s those people who

to be traveling it it’s those people who mistook finger-pointing for holiness who

mistook finger-pointing for holiness who

mistook finger-pointing for holiness who should have been opening their hearts

should have been opening their hearts

should have been opening their hearts and their doors instead of slamming

and their doors instead of slamming

and their doors instead of slamming doors in people’s faces and when I think

doors in people’s faces and when I think

doors in people’s faces and when I think about the imagery of the cattle trucks

about the imagery of the cattle trucks

about the imagery of the cattle trucks and that Twilight Zone episode and

and that Twilight Zone episode and

and that Twilight Zone episode and people being packed into these cars I

people being packed into these cars I

people being packed into these cars I think about you know that early awful

think about you know that early awful

think about you know that early awful time period in the 20th century when we

time period in the 20th century when we

time period in the 20th century when we took those undesirables and we buried

took those undesirables and we buried

took those undesirables and we buried them in mass graves and we leveled

them in mass graves and we leveled

them in mass graves and we leveled cities with two nuclear bombs and wiped

cities with two nuclear bombs and wiped

cities with two nuclear bombs and wiped out people and we invalidated entire

out people and we invalidated entire

out people and we invalidated entire groups of people because we saw them as

groups of people because we saw them as

groups of people because we saw them as different than ourselves a total

different than ourselves a total

different than ourselves a total catastrophe in loving each other so

catastrophe in loving each other so

catastrophe in loving each other so today I think we got to be careful our

today I think we got to be careful our

today I think we got to be careful our focus on Hell doesn’t get in a way of

focus on Hell doesn’t get in a way of

focus on Hell doesn’t get in a way of preventing the hell that can exist for

preventing the hell that can exist for

preventing the hell that can exist for people right now in this life and for me

people right now in this life and for me

people right now in this life and for me thankfully in this life there’s also joy

thankfully in this life there’s also joy

thankfully in this life there’s also joy so when I go home and I go to school

so when I go home and I go to school

so when I go home and I go to school after work and I pick up my two boys my

after work and I pick up my two boys my

after work and I pick up my two boys my 9 year old and my five year old my five

9 year old and my five year old my five

9 year old and my five year old my five year old comes running up to me

year old comes running up to me

year old comes running up to me routinely

routinely

routinely embraces me in the biggest hug he can

embraces me in the biggest hug he can

embraces me in the biggest hug he can give me Annie says I have missed you

give me Annie says I have missed you

give me Annie says I have missed you daddy

daddy

daddy at night when I tucked my 9 year old

at night when I tucked my 9 year old

at night when I tucked my 9 year old into bed and I read him a story he looks

into bed and I read him a story he looks

into bed and I read him a story he looks at me and he says I love you daddy

at me and he says I love you daddy

at me and he says I love you daddy you’re a good dad and when we pray at

you’re a good dad and when we pray at

you’re a good dad and when we pray at dinner and we pray for our whole family

dinner and we pray for our whole family

dinner and we pray for our whole family we pray for those who aren’t at my table

we pray for those who aren’t at my table

we pray for those who aren’t at my table anymore

anymore

anymore but are still in my heart and my faith

but are still in my heart and my faith

but are still in my heart and my faith is so strong very strong that love is

is so strong very strong that love is

is so strong very strong that love is more than a mere illusion it’s a

more than a mere illusion it’s a

more than a mere illusion it’s a commodity that we need to share with

commodity that we need to share with

commodity that we need to share with each other it’s a necessary commodity to

each other it’s a necessary commodity to

each other it’s a necessary commodity to all of our survival thank you

all of our survival thank you

all of our survival thank you [Applause]

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