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[Music] in the last few years a new technology

in the last few years a new technology

in the last few years a new technology has developed in Africa and you’ve

has developed in Africa and you’ve

has developed in Africa and you’ve probably never had access to it but that

probably never had access to it but that

probably never had access to it but that technology might just change the way we

technology might just change the way we

technology might just change the way we think about health care I’d like to tell

think about health care I’d like to tell

think about health care I’d like to tell you about flow home flour salt soap for

you about flow home flour salt soap for

you about flow home flour salt soap for a living he was 16 when a truck crashed

a living he was 16 when a truck crashed

a living he was 16 when a truck crashed into his shopping store by the road his

into his shopping store by the road his

into his shopping store by the road his brothers rushed him to the nearest

brothers rushed him to the nearest

brothers rushed him to the nearest hospital

hospital

hospital in a blanket tied to a stick floor had

in a blanket tied to a stick floor had

in a blanket tied to a stick floor had lost consciousness when they arrived in

lost consciousness when they arrived in

lost consciousness when they arrived in the emergency room the blanket was

the emergency room the blanket was

the emergency room the blanket was soaked in blood and his right arm and

soaked in blood and his right arm and

soaked in blood and his right arm and leg were twisted in an unnatural way he

leg were twisted in an unnatural way he

leg were twisted in an unnatural way he needed immediate surgery to survive I

was at this hospital in Cameroon that

was at this hospital in Cameroon that night the surgeon and I we scrubbed

night the surgeon and I we scrubbed

night the surgeon and I we scrubbed rushed to the operating room and waited

rushed to the operating room and waited

rushed to the operating room and waited for the patient to be brought in but

for the patient to be brought in but

for the patient to be brought in but Flor didn’t come after a while we went

Flor didn’t come after a while we went

Flor didn’t come after a while we went back to the emergency room the IV line

back to the emergency room the IV line

back to the emergency room the IV line was still dangling from the drip stand

was still dangling from the drip stand

was still dangling from the drip stand but flora was gone and so was his family

but flora was gone and so was his family

but flora was gone and so was his family what had happened we asked the nurses as

what had happened we asked the nurses as

what had happened we asked the nurses as was their usual routine they had asked

was their usual routine they had asked

was their usual routine they had asked his family to go to the pharmacy to buy

his family to go to the pharmacy to buy

his family to go to the pharmacy to buy drugs IV fluids sutures even the gloves

drugs IV fluids sutures even the gloves

drugs IV fluids sutures even the gloves for the operation the family did the

for the operation the family did the

for the operation the family did the math they were willing to pay but they

math they were willing to pay but they

math they were willing to pay but they just didn’t have the cash with them or

just didn’t have the cash with them or

just didn’t have the cash with them or any other means to pay right there and

any other means to pay right there and

any other means to pay right there and then and this is why they were asked to

then and this is why they were asked to

then and this is why they were asked to leave

upon hearing this the surgeon I was

upon hearing this the surgeon I was working with just lost it

working with just lost it

working with just lost it he made the nurses go out into the night

he made the nurses go out into the night

he made the nurses go out into the night and search for flaw he even offered to

and search for flaw he even offered to

and search for flaw he even offered to pay for the drugs himself but flan did

pay for the drugs himself but flan did

pay for the drugs himself but flan did not return and the next day I learned

not return and the next day I learned

not return and the next day I learned that he had died that night just steps

that he had died that night just steps

that he had died that night just steps away from the hospital gate the surgeon

away from the hospital gate the surgeon

away from the hospital gate the surgeon I got to know that night was dr. Elson a

I got to know that night was dr. Elson a

I got to know that night was dr. Elson a visiting surgeon from madagascar there

visiting surgeon from madagascar there

visiting surgeon from madagascar there was something special about Elson he had

was something special about Elson he had

was something special about Elson he had worked in rural Africa for years and in

worked in rural Africa for years and in

worked in rural Africa for years and in a context where there’s almost no health

a context where there’s almost no health

a context where there’s almost no health insurance and no comprehensive

insurance and no comprehensive

insurance and no comprehensive state-funded health care patients being

state-funded health care patients being

state-funded health care patients being turned away by a hospital sadly is a

turned away by a hospital sadly is a

turned away by a hospital sadly is a common reality and in fact stories like

common reality and in fact stories like

common reality and in fact stories like florence happen so many times every day

florence happen so many times every day

florence happen so many times every day in Africa but Elson was a man who would

in Africa but Elson was a man who would

in Africa but Elson was a man who would not accept a single patient going

not accept a single patient going

not accept a single patient going without the care they needed well since

without the care they needed well since

without the care they needed well since vision was to return to Madagascar and

vision was to return to Madagascar and

vision was to return to Madagascar and open a hospital for the poor where no

open a hospital for the poor where no

open a hospital for the poor where no one would be turned away now you might

one would be turned away now you might

one would be turned away now you might think of Madagascar as you know

think of Madagascar as you know

think of Madagascar as you know animation movies or amazing wildlife but

animation movies or amazing wildlife but

animation movies or amazing wildlife but there is another side to Madagascar and

there is another side to Madagascar and

there is another side to Madagascar and that is that 93% of the population lives

that is that 93% of the population lives

that is that 93% of the population lives below the poverty line in the remote

below the poverty line in the remote

below the poverty line in the remote south of the island Elson and his wife

south of the island Elson and his wife

south of the island Elson and his wife converted an old rice mill into a

converted an old rice mill into a

converted an old rice mill into a hospital children would fetch water from

hospital children would fetch water from

hospital children would fetch water from outside the village and sell it to the

outside the village and sell it to the

outside the village and sell it to the hospital and electricity would come from

hospital and electricity would come from

hospital and electricity would come from a small generator that would regularly

a small generator that would regularly

a small generator that would regularly break this was the only surgical

break this was the only surgical

break this was the only surgical hospital within 150 kilometers

hospital within 150 kilometers

hospital within 150 kilometers area for roughly 1 million people

area for roughly 1 million people

area for roughly 1 million people referrals were out of the question

referrals were out of the question

referrals were out of the question because of the distances and during the

because of the distances and during the

because of the distances and during the rainy season the hospital would be cut

rainy season the hospital would be cut

rainy season the hospital would be cut off for weeks at a time when roads would

off for weeks at a time when roads would

off for weeks at a time when roads would turn into streams and mud holes would

turn into streams and mud holes would

turn into streams and mud holes would become insurmountable obstacles but

become insurmountable obstacles but

become insurmountable obstacles but patients came soon the hospital was

patients came soon the hospital was

patients came soon the hospital was working at its capacity and patients

working at its capacity and patients

working at its capacity and patients would be sleeping everywhere outside on

would be sleeping everywhere outside on

would be sleeping everywhere outside on the hospital grounds every hour of every

the hospital grounds every hour of every

the hospital grounds every hour of every day

day

day Elson was uncalled for emergencies his

Elson was uncalled for emergencies his

Elson was uncalled for emergencies his wife standing next to him holding a

wife standing next to him holding a

wife standing next to him holding a torch for him to see when I started to

torch for him to see when I started to

torch for him to see when I started to work as a doctor I spend all my holidays

work as a doctor I spend all my holidays

work as a doctor I spend all my holidays at this hospital I was absolutely amazed

at this hospital I was absolutely amazed

at this hospital I was absolutely amazed to see it grow at first I asked friends

to see it grow at first I asked friends

to see it grow at first I asked friends and family for help and I did later we

and family for help and I did later we

and family for help and I did later we registered as an NGO soon we had enough

registered as an NGO soon we had enough

registered as an NGO soon we had enough money together to build a proper

money together to build a proper

money together to build a proper hospital

hospital

hospital it opened in 2015 it has 40 beds a staff

it opened in 2015 it has 40 beds a staff

it opened in 2015 it has 40 beds a staff of 22 fully equipped operating rooms but

of 22 fully equipped operating rooms but

of 22 fully equipped operating rooms but most importantly from the first day this

most importantly from the first day this

most importantly from the first day this was entirely managed by a Madagascan

was entirely managed by a Madagascan

was entirely managed by a Madagascan partners and it’s been running

partners and it’s been running

partners and it’s been running successfully since and one of the

successfully since and one of the

successfully since and one of the poorest regions on earth to keep itself

poorest regions on earth to keep itself

poorest regions on earth to keep itself sustainable and self-reliant the

sustainable and self-reliant the

sustainable and self-reliant the hospital does charge for care but one

hospital does charge for care but one

hospital does charge for care but one thing was clear the story of flora must

thing was clear the story of flora must

thing was clear the story of flora must not repeat itself so in an emergency the

not repeat itself so in an emergency the

not repeat itself so in an emergency the hospital treats first and sorts payment

hospital treats first and sorts payment

hospital treats first and sorts payment later but this part problems of its own

later but this part problems of its own

later but this part problems of its own sometimes the hospital had to keep

sometimes the hospital had to keep

sometimes the hospital had to keep patients for weeks of extra time until

patients for weeks of extra time until

patients for weeks of extra time until the bills were paid for example ina a

the bills were paid for example ina a

the bills were paid for example ina a young mother who had given birth to

young mother who had given birth to

young mother who had given birth to twins she had to spend an extra three

twins she had to spend an extra three

twins she had to spend an extra three weeks on the hospital compound for her

weeks on the hospital compound for her

weeks on the hospital compound for her bill to be paid

bill to be paid

bill to be paid have family during that time sold some

have family during that time sold some

have family during that time sold some of the kettle her brother took the money

of the kettle her brother took the money

of the kettle her brother took the money in cash to the hospital he paid the bill

in cash to the hospital he paid the bill

in cash to the hospital he paid the bill ina could go home but to achieve this

ina could go home but to achieve this

ina could go home but to achieve this the hospital had to waste energy and

the hospital had to waste energy and

the hospital had to waste energy and time to keep her as a medical hostage

time to keep her as a medical hostage

time to keep her as a medical hostage and again this is so common in Africa

and again this is so common in Africa

and again this is so common in Africa most hospitals in a similar setting they

most hospitals in a similar setting they

most hospitals in a similar setting they have a dedicated room or a dedicated

have a dedicated room or a dedicated

have a dedicated room or a dedicated building where they keep patients until

building where they keep patients until

building where they keep patients until the bills are paid another more tragic

the bills are paid another more tragic

the bills are paid another more tragic story is that of Malala a young woman

story is that of Malala a young woman

story is that of Malala a young woman with a life-threatening bleeding after

with a life-threatening bleeding after

with a life-threatening bleeding after delivery our ambulance had arrived in

delivery our ambulance had arrived in

delivery our ambulance had arrived in her village and wanted to take her to

her village and wanted to take her to

her village and wanted to take her to the hospital but her father stepped in a

the hospital but her father stepped in a

the hospital but her father stepped in a way refusing to let her go why well the

way refusing to let her go why well the

way refusing to let her go why well the last time someone from his family had

last time someone from his family had

last time someone from his family had been to hospital he was shocked by the

been to hospital he was shocked by the

been to hospital he was shocked by the bill all sorts of unexpected fees and

bill all sorts of unexpected fees and

bill all sorts of unexpected fees and side payments he didn’t understand he

side payments he didn’t understand he

side payments he didn’t understand he felt cheated by the hospital and that

felt cheated by the hospital and that

felt cheated by the hospital and that brought his family close to ruin so

brought his family close to ruin so

brought his family close to ruin so maybe this time they could have averted

maybe this time they could have averted

maybe this time they could have averted the treatment but they weren’t willing

the treatment but they weren’t willing

the treatment but they weren’t willing to take the risk

so when hospitals have the power to set

so when hospitals have the power to set prices or deny treatment then patients

prices or deny treatment then patients

prices or deny treatment then patients are the weakest link in the chain we

are the weakest link in the chain we

are the weakest link in the chain we never knew what happened to Malala but

never knew what happened to Malala but

never knew what happened to Malala but whether it rattling with seed source of

whether it rattling with seed source of

whether it rattling with seed source of problems a huge change was creeping up

problems a huge change was creeping up

problems a huge change was creeping up on us all right and I need your

on us all right and I need your

on us all right and I need your participation now I would love to know

participation now I would love to know

participation now I would love to know who of you in this room does not have a

who of you in this room does not have a

who of you in this room does not have a bank account can you raise your arm

bank account can you raise your arm

bank account can you raise your arm please so not have a bank account

please so not have a bank account

please so not have a bank account no one Wow so to put this in perspective

no one Wow so to put this in perspective

no one Wow so to put this in perspective 99%

99%

99% of Germans have a bank account all of

of Germans have a bank account all of

of Germans have a bank account all of you seem to have one so I would like you

you seem to have one so I would like you

you seem to have one so I would like you to think for a minute how life would be

to think for a minute how life would be

to think for a minute how life would be like without one

like without one

like without one how would you receive your salary how

how would you receive your salary how

how would you receive your salary how would you pay your electricity bill

would you pay your electricity bill

would you pay your electricity bill how would you save well not having a

how would you save well not having a

how would you save well not having a bank account is normal for most Africans

bank account is normal for most Africans

bank account is normal for most Africans fewer than 5% of Madagascar’s have a

fewer than 5% of Madagascar’s have a

fewer than 5% of Madagascar’s have a bank account and that’s because the

bank account and that’s because the

bank account and that’s because the small savings of the poor are just not

small savings of the poor are just not

small savings of the poor are just not worth the bank’s effort to offer them

worth the bank’s effort to offer them

worth the bank’s effort to offer them accounts all for health insurance to

accounts all for health insurance to

accounts all for health insurance to offer them policies so when we started

offer them policies so when we started

offer them policies so when we started working seven years ago this is what a

working seven years ago this is what a

working seven years ago this is what a bank transferred looked like in

bank transferred looked like in

bank transferred looked like in Madagascar the hospital had to hire an

Madagascar the hospital had to hire an

Madagascar the hospital had to hire an armed guard who would take a bag full of

armed guard who would take a bag full of

armed guard who would take a bag full of cash

cash

cash go into the car and drive for 200

go into the car and drive for 200

go into the car and drive for 200 kilometres to paid into the bank account

but since then something absolutely

but since then something absolutely dramatic has happened every town and

dramatic has happened every town and

dramatic has happened every town and every village in Madagascar and that’s

every village in Madagascar and that’s

every village in Madagascar and that’s placed is so remote you can have a hard

placed is so remote you can have a hard

placed is so remote you can have a hard time finding even a single plastic bag

time finding even a single plastic bag

time finding even a single plastic bag there now connected to the outside world

there now connected to the outside world

there now connected to the outside world with a mobile phone tower more than half

with a mobile phone tower more than half

with a mobile phone tower more than half of Madagascar’s have a phone and there’s

of Madagascar’s have a phone and there’s

of Madagascar’s have a phone and there’s a million new users each year and in the

a million new users each year and in the

a million new users each year and in the footsteps of this revolution has

footsteps of this revolution has

footsteps of this revolution has followed mobile money now mobile money

followed mobile money now mobile money

followed mobile money now mobile money allows you to send money from one phone

allows you to send money from one phone

allows you to send money from one phone to the other without the need for a bank

to the other without the need for a bank

to the other without the need for a bank account you can deposit money the same

account you can deposit money the same

account you can deposit money the same way that you charge up with phone credit

way that you charge up with phone credit

way that you charge up with phone credit so with a simple scratch card it’s safe

so with a simple scratch card it’s safe

so with a simple scratch card it’s safe it’s easy transferring money it takes

it’s easy transferring money it takes

it’s easy transferring money it takes just some seconds and millions of

just some seconds and millions of

just some seconds and millions of ordinary Africans use it every day

ordinary Africans use it every day

ordinary Africans use it every day to receive the salary to send money to

to receive the salary to send money to

to receive the salary to send money to loved ones I actually have it in my

loved ones I actually have it in my

loved ones I actually have it in my pocket how it goes on okay

pocket how it goes on okay

pocket how it goes on okay it’s not a text it’s not a text it’s not

it’s not a text it’s not a text it’s not

it’s not a text it’s not a text it’s not it’s something different it’s something

it’s something different it’s something

it’s something different it’s something different it’s it’s the real thing this

different it’s it’s the real thing this

different it’s it’s the real thing this is the real thing

is the real thing

is the real thing so the Mobile Money thing is so easy you

so the Mobile Money thing is so easy you

so the Mobile Money thing is so easy you don’t need internet to do that it’s like

don’t need internet to do that it’s like

don’t need internet to do that it’s like sending an SMS and it’s so useful that

sending an SMS and it’s so useful that

sending an SMS and it’s so useful that it spread extraordinarily fast and this

it spread extraordinarily fast and this

it spread extraordinarily fast and this is the real thing because when I asked

is the real thing because when I asked

is the real thing because when I asked Elson if his hospital had received any

Elson if his hospital had received any

Elson if his hospital had received any funds with mobile money his answer was

funds with mobile money his answer was

funds with mobile money his answer was yes they got half their revenue in 2017

yes they got half their revenue in 2017

yes they got half their revenue in 2017 over this phone so while we were

over this phone so while we were

over this phone so while we were thinking about how we could finance

thinking about how we could finance

thinking about how we could finance healthcare by supporting hospitals this

healthcare by supporting hospitals this

healthcare by supporting hospitals this technology was developing that gave

technology was developing that gave

technology was developing that gave people unprecedented control of their

people unprecedented control of their

people unprecedented control of their finances and that shifted our thinking

finances and that shifted our thinking

finances and that shifted our thinking could we instead support patients to pay

could we instead support patients to pay

could we instead support patients to pay for their care could we help patients

for their care could we help patients

for their care could we help patients like flora ina and Malala now in a cash

like flora ina and Malala now in a cash

like flora ina and Malala now in a cash economy saving money is risky if you

economy saving money is risky if you

economy saving money is risky if you have money under your bed I can get

have money under your bed I can get

have money under your bed I can get stolen if you have a large investment

stolen if you have a large investment

stolen if you have a large investment like farmland that can only be sold in

like farmland that can only be sold in

like farmland that can only be sold in one piece so let’s imagine a health

one piece so let’s imagine a health

one piece so let’s imagine a health savings account on your phone a health

savings account on your phone a health

savings account on your phone a health wallet this works exactly like mobile

wallet this works exactly like mobile

wallet this works exactly like mobile money but with the crucial exception

money but with the crucial exception

money but with the crucial exception that money can only be spent at

that money can only be spent at

that money can only be spent at registered clinics and there is no way

registered clinics and there is no way

registered clinics and there is no way for you to take it out spend it on other

for you to take it out spend it on other

for you to take it out spend it on other things

things

things take it out in cash you know send it to

take it out in cash you know send it to

take it out in cash you know send it to your loved ones go to the pub so you

your loved ones go to the pub so you

your loved ones go to the pub so you know it’s there for when you need it

know it’s there for when you need it

know it’s there for when you need it most

let’s take it a step further a

let’s take it a step further a government an NGO or people like you or

government an NGO or people like you or

government an NGO or people like you or me or a patient’s family they can all

me or a patient’s family they can all

me or a patient’s family they can all send money to the health wallet and be

send money to the health wallet and be

send money to the health wallet and be sure it can only be used for healthcare

sure it can only be used for healthcare

sure it can only be used for healthcare money can also be restricted to specific

money can also be restricted to specific

money can also be restricted to specific procedures like checkups during

procedures like checkups during

procedures like checkups during pregnancy or HIV treatment and if there

pregnancy or HIV treatment and if there

pregnancy or HIV treatment and if there are several registered clinics in an

are several registered clinics in an

are several registered clinics in an area it’s the patients that can choose

area it’s the patients that can choose

area it’s the patients that can choose the one that gives the best care because

the one that gives the best care because

the one that gives the best care because ultimately it’s them carrying the money

funds can also be used to top-up savings

funds can also be used to top-up savings if a certain amount has been deposited

if a certain amount has been deposited

if a certain amount has been deposited so to encourage people to save for

so to encourage people to save for

so to encourage people to save for healthcare but crucially the health

healthcare but crucially the health

healthcare but crucially the health wallet helps to make payments more

wallet helps to make payments more

wallet helps to make payments more transparent and to reduce the risk for

transparent and to reduce the risk for

transparent and to reduce the risk for corruption how does that work the health

corruption how does that work the health

corruption how does that work the health wallet provider agrees on fixed prices

wallet provider agrees on fixed prices

wallet provider agrees on fixed prices with the clinics so the patient’s know

with the clinics so the patient’s know

with the clinics so the patient’s know in advance how much they need to pay and

in advance how much they need to pay and

in advance how much they need to pay and in order to get their money the

in order to get their money the

in order to get their money the hospitals need to register the treatment

hospitals need to register the treatment

hospitals need to register the treatment and the bill and that very much reduces

and the bill and that very much reduces

and the bill and that very much reduces the opportunity for corrupt hospital

the opportunity for corrupt hospital

the opportunity for corrupt hospital staff to extract extra charges so many

staff to extract extra charges so many

staff to extract extra charges so many of these ideas are really being

of these ideas are really being

of these ideas are really being pioneered in other African countries but

pioneered in other African countries but

pioneered in other African countries but how would that have helped our patients

how would that have helped our patients

how would that have helped our patients now Florence family they would have had

now Florence family they would have had

now Florence family they would have had an emergency savings account that’s

an emergency savings account that’s

an emergency savings account that’s excessively accessible immediately for

excessively accessible immediately for

excessively accessible immediately for ina she could have send the money in a

ina she could have send the money in a

ina she could have send the money in a matter of minutes

matter of minutes

matter of minutes saving her a three-week-long stay at the

saving her a three-week-long stay at the

saving her a three-week-long stay at the hospital

hospital

hospital and malala’s father he wouldn’t have had

and malala’s father he wouldn’t have had

and malala’s father he wouldn’t have had to be afraid of these unpredictable or

to be afraid of these unpredictable or

to be afraid of these unpredictable or illegitimate fees earlier this year we

illegitimate fees earlier this year we

illegitimate fees earlier this year we we took this idea to the Madagascan

we took this idea to the Madagascan

we took this idea to the Madagascan government Friday night we were sitting

government Friday night we were sitting

government Friday night we were sitting down with the Deputy Minister of Health

down with the Deputy Minister of Health

down with the Deputy Minister of Health at his office he was very tired leaning

at his office he was very tired leaning

at his office he was very tired leaning back in his chair but when he heard

back in his chair but when he heard

back in his chair but when he heard about the health wallet he did like this

about the health wallet he did like this

about the health wallet he did like this and then and he said I smell it I smell

and then and he said I smell it I smell

and then and he said I smell it I smell it he jumped up he opened the doors to

it he jumped up he opened the doors to

it he jumped up he opened the doors to the to his colleagues who were still

the to his colleagues who were still

the to his colleagues who were still there in a Friday at 8:00 everyone came

there in a Friday at 8:00 everyone came

there in a Friday at 8:00 everyone came in and right there and then they started

in and right there and then they started

in and right there and then they started a commission a working group that is now

a commission a working group that is now

a commission a working group that is now working with us to pilot the health

working with us to pilot the health

working with us to pilot the health wallet in Madagascar later this year and

wallet in Madagascar later this year and

wallet in Madagascar later this year and if that’s going to work the health

if that’s going to work the health

if that’s going to work the health wallet will become an integral part for

wallet will become an integral part for

wallet will become an integral part for the Madagascan health care system and

the Madagascan health care system and

the Madagascan health care system and it’s a country of twenty four million

it’s a country of twenty four million

it’s a country of twenty four million people

so our dream is that one day everyone in

so our dream is that one day everyone in Madagascar will get care when they need

Madagascar will get care when they need

Madagascar will get care when they need it and that’s regardless of their income

it and that’s regardless of their income

it and that’s regardless of their income but that might not happen in a way we

but that might not happen in a way we

but that might not happen in a way we expect Africa is not just catching up

expect Africa is not just catching up

expect Africa is not just catching up with the West Africa is using new

with the West Africa is using new

with the West Africa is using new technologies to find completely

technologies to find completely

technologies to find completely different solutions to the problems

different solutions to the problems

different solutions to the problems modern societies face if we can listen

modern societies face if we can listen

modern societies face if we can listen to the way Africa is changing and we’re

to the way Africa is changing and we’re

to the way Africa is changing and we’re prepared to change our thinking then we

prepared to change our thinking then we

prepared to change our thinking then we have a unique opportunity right now to

have a unique opportunity right now to

have a unique opportunity right now to transform healthcare in Africa and to

transform healthcare in Africa and to

transform healthcare in Africa and to make sure that cases like phones do not

make sure that cases like phones do not

make sure that cases like phones do not happen again thank you

happen again thank you

happen again thank you [Applause]

[Applause]

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