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The Importance of Forming Relationships With People Whom You Disagree With | Josh Voigt | TEDxUWCSA


so what I’m going to talk to you guys

so what I’m going to talk to you guys about is how I got to a situation where

about is how I got to a situation where

about is how I got to a situation where I am today where I have a political or

I am today where I have a political or

I am today where I have a political or non-political but a very personal belief

non-political but a very personal belief

non-political but a very personal belief of how we can get society and the whole

of how we can get society and the whole

of how we can get society and the whole world to root for so my story starts in

world to root for so my story starts in

world to root for so my story starts in 2008 where from 2008 to 2011 I went to

2008 where from 2008 to 2011 I went to

2008 where from 2008 to 2011 I went to all-boys schools inside Razumikhin

all-boys schools inside Razumikhin

all-boys schools inside Razumikhin imagine being an all-boys school in

imagine being an all-boys school in

imagine being an all-boys school in South Africa being a sports person was a

South Africa being a sports person was a

South Africa being a sports person was a very big part of the people who were

very big part of the people who were

very big part of the people who were sportsmen were held in the highest

sportsmen were held in the highest

sportsmen were held in the highest regard now as a toy you can see I’m not

regard now as a toy you can see I’m not

regard now as a toy you can see I’m not exactly a small person so being a

exactly a small person so being a

exactly a small person so being a sportsman was able to do

sportsman was able to do

sportsman was able to do I was always fairly good at the sports

I was always fairly good at the sports

I was always fairly good at the sports that I did and as a result I became the

that I did and as a result I became the

that I did and as a result I became the person I was I was making friends with

person I was I was making friends with

person I was I was making friends with all different kinds of people not only

all different kinds of people not only

all different kinds of people not only this isn’t a problem but in my

this isn’t a problem but in my

this isn’t a problem but in my particular circumstances it wasn’t

particular circumstances it wasn’t

particular circumstances it wasn’t because I attended a school that had

because I attended a school that had

because I attended a school that had over 300 points of my yogurt but we

over 300 points of my yogurt but we

over 300 points of my yogurt but we didn’t interact the difference types of

didn’t interact the difference types of

didn’t interact the difference types of people didn’t interact it was a lot of

people didn’t interact it was a lot of

people didn’t interact it was a lot of different diversity there were people

different diversity there were people

different diversity there were people from different religions people

from different religions people

from different religions people different races different cultures all

different races different cultures all

different races different cultures all sorts different things but we didn’t

sorts different things but we didn’t

sorts different things but we didn’t interact because the cultures that we

interact because the cultures that we

interact because the cultures that we had growing up were all consistent what

had growing up were all consistent what

had growing up were all consistent what does uniform the primary school that I

does uniform the primary school that I

does uniform the primary school that I went to at 96 voice minor but overnight

went to at 96 voice minor but overnight

went to at 96 voice minor but overnight of us were always a little class so we

of us were always a little class so we

of us were always a little class so we had a very narrow view of the world so

had a very narrow view of the world so

had a very narrow view of the world so they lost four little segregated groups

they lost four little segregated groups

they lost four little segregated groups we didn’t interact and as a result no

we didn’t interact and as a result no

we didn’t interact and as a result no one knew how to form relationships with

one knew how to form relationships with

one knew how to form relationships with the people who disagree with us always

the people who disagree with us always

the people who disagree with us always people who with different jobs so when

people who with different jobs so when

people who with different jobs so when we did interact more often in my own

we did interact more often in my own

we did interact more often in my own fortune

fortune

fortune to fight off some so now this was

to fight off some so now this was

to fight off some so now this was changed drastically when I moved from

changed drastically when I moved from

changed drastically when I moved from South Africa just wasn’t them to come to

South Africa just wasn’t them to come to

South Africa just wasn’t them to come to the WC because when I arrived I changed

the WC because when I arrived I changed

the WC because when I arrived I changed from being a setting when everyone in my

from being a setting when everyone in my

from being a setting when everyone in my social group and in my community was

social group and in my community was

social group and in my community was like me to being in a situation where

like me to being in a situation where

like me to being in a situation where there was not a single person at the

there was not a single person at the

there was not a single person at the school so the adjustment I had to make

school so the adjustment I had to make

school so the adjustment I had to make was unthinkable to persecute and they

was unthinkable to persecute and they

was unthinkable to persecute and they would think that this would be difficult

would think that this would be difficult

would think that this would be difficult if the thing would be a very difficult

if the thing would be a very difficult

if the thing would be a very difficult thing for me to do but surprisingly

thing for me to do but surprisingly

thing for me to do but surprisingly impossible because rather than getting

impossible because rather than getting

impossible because rather than getting here and sharing opinions and points of

here and sharing opinions and points of

here and sharing opinions and points of view that I disagree with

view that I disagree with

view that I disagree with I got ya and it was exclusively carrying

I got ya and it was exclusively carrying

I got ya and it was exclusively carrying points of view that I’ve never heard

points of view that I’ve never heard

points of view that I’ve never heard before so the whole time I had one when

before so the whole time I had one when

before so the whole time I had one when I was drastically learning about new

I was drastically learning about new

I was drastically learning about new cultures new religions new languages new

cultures new religions new languages new

cultures new religions new languages new places in the world also and as a result

places in the world also and as a result

places in the world also and as a result when the foyers young ones that were

when the foyers young ones that were

when the foyers young ones that were done I had grown in the trivalent I had

done I had grown in the trivalent I had

done I had grown in the trivalent I had become an entirely different person and

become an entirely different person and

become an entirely different person and then once again like my time in South

then once again like my time in South

then once again like my time in South Africa my times was that kids are there

Africa my times was that kids are there

Africa my times was that kids are there and I moved to the United States Berger

and I moved to the United States Berger

and I moved to the United States Berger college was when I arrived was almost

college was when I arrived was almost

college was when I arrived was almost like I was back in South Africa because

like I was back in South Africa because

like I was back in South Africa because from the looks of things everyone was

from the looks of things everyone was

from the looks of things everyone was the same again now the school that I go

the same again now the school that I go

the same again now the school that I go to has people from I think it’s 65

to has people from I think it’s 65

to has people from I think it’s 65 different countries represent this is

different countries represent this is

different countries represent this is quite a lot but we’ve failed another the

quite a lot but we’ve failed another the

quite a lot but we’ve failed another the people from around the world

people from around the world

people from around the world international students and diversity

international students and diversity

international students and diversity have nothing in terms of numbers when it

have nothing in terms of numbers when it

have nothing in terms of numbers when it comes to people who overall Midwinter so

comes to people who overall Midwinter so

comes to people who overall Midwinter so when I arrived in for the whole first

when I arrived in for the whole first

when I arrived in for the whole first week or so it seemed like I was back in

week or so it seemed like I was back in

week or so it seemed like I was back in South Africa because everyone dressed

South Africa because everyone dressed

South Africa because everyone dressed the same everyone spoke the same if I

the same everyone spoke the same if I

the same everyone spoke the same if I did the same things everyone was

did the same things everyone was

did the same things everyone was interesting

interesting

interesting the same things it was really with to be

the same things it was really with to be

the same things it was really with to be back in the situation like this but

back in the situation like this but

back in the situation like this but being a socialite I started to make

being a socialite I started to make

being a socialite I started to make friends from all the propensity Brigade

friends from all the propensity Brigade

friends from all the propensity Brigade ranging from football players to choir

ranging from football players to choir

ranging from football players to choir singers to the guy down the hall from me

singers to the guy down the hall from me

singers to the guy down the hall from me across states same t07 and it starts

across states same t07 and it starts

across states same t07 and it starts realize that the water small differences

realize that the water small differences

realize that the water small differences between you but the biggest difference

between you but the biggest difference

between you but the biggest difference between people was there the beats now

between people was there the beats now

between people was there the beats now it was the closing stages of the

it was the closing stages of the

it was the closing stages of the presidential election between Donald

presidential election between Donald

presidential election between Donald Trump and illusions and what I came to

Trump and illusions and what I came to

Trump and illusions and what I came to good was you were either on one side or

good was you were either on one side or

good was you were either on one side or you wanna there wasn’t no between people

you wanna there wasn’t no between people

you wanna there wasn’t no between people weren’t having conversations about the

weren’t having conversations about the

weren’t having conversations about the best way to prove this decide support

best way to prove this decide support

best way to prove this decide support people weren’t having conversations

people weren’t having conversations

people weren’t having conversations about the best form of government that

about the best form of government that

about the best form of government that they could have and this surprised me

they could have and this surprised me

they could have and this surprised me because coming from one of them this is

because coming from one of them this is

because coming from one of them this is what we do these are the conversations

what we do these are the conversations

what we do these are the conversations that we have we have this conversation

that we have we have this conversation

that we have we have this conversation four people are different to us but over

four people are different to us but over

four people are different to us but over there that wasn’t happy and when they

there that wasn’t happy and when they

there that wasn’t happy and when they work political discussions happen they

work political discussions happen they

work political discussions happen they were happening in closed groups of

were happening in closed groups of

were happening in closed groups of people who did agree and to me this was

people who did agree and to me this was

people who did agree and to me this was weird and what happened was that

weird and what happened was that

weird and what happened was that separates people completely because they

separates people completely because they

separates people completely because they don’t understand where I was coming now

don’t understand where I was coming now

don’t understand where I was coming now after the election things so much worse

after the election things so much worse

after the election things so much worse because one side was blatantly parading

because one side was blatantly parading

because one side was blatantly parading her pride our problem the other side was

her pride our problem the other side was

her pride our problem the other side was dreaming but the way it worked was you

dreaming but the way it worked was you

dreaming but the way it worked was you weren’t doing it for the sake of being

weren’t doing it for the sake of being

weren’t doing it for the sake of being proud of yourself or for looking for

proud of yourself or for looking for

proud of yourself or for looking for self-confident people were doing it for

self-confident people were doing it for

self-confident people were doing it for the sake of trying to do

the sake of trying to do

the sake of trying to do sigh so admit for a time I also was with

sigh so admit for a time I also was with

sigh so admit for a time I also was with the people who were creamy I was a bit

the people who were creamy I was a bit

the people who were creamy I was a bit upset wails and it made it difficult to

upset wails and it made it difficult to

upset wails and it made it difficult to interact with the people from the other

interact with the people from the other

interact with the people from the other side but then one day I realized that

side but then one day I realized that

side but then one day I realized that this was entirely unnecessary and I

this was entirely unnecessary and I

this was entirely unnecessary and I realize this because my host family has

realize this because my host family has

realize this because my host family has beliefs which are completely different

beliefs which are completely different

beliefs which are completely different they only complete opposite side we

they only complete opposite side we

they only complete opposite side we disagree on basically everything when it

disagree on basically everything when it

disagree on basically everything when it comes to politics yet I got along better

comes to politics yet I got along better

comes to politics yet I got along better with them that I did with anyone else

with them that I did with anyone else

with them that I did with anyone else and so quiet citizen why is it that I’m

and so quiet citizen why is it that I’m

and so quiet citizen why is it that I’m pushing away people who have the same

pushing away people who have the same

pushing away people who have the same beliefs as people I get a lot better

beliefs as people I get a lot better

beliefs as people I get a lot better just because they have different beliefs

just because they have different beliefs

just because they have different beliefs that doesn’t mean that I have to push

that doesn’t mean that I have to push

that doesn’t mean that I have to push them aside that I have to not attract

them aside that I have to not attract

them aside that I have to not attract them so I started interacting with me

them so I started interacting with me

them so I started interacting with me I started making friendly people’s

I started making friendly people’s

I started making friendly people’s beliefs with different Manatee and I

beliefs with different Manatee and I

beliefs with different Manatee and I realized that not everybody could do

realized that not everybody could do

realized that not everybody could do this for some people this was a really

this for some people this was a really

this for some people this was a really difficult thing to do and I realized

difficult thing to do and I realized

difficult thing to do and I realized this when I was having a conversation

this when I was having a conversation

this when I was having a conversation with one of my friends

with one of my friends

with one of my friends relatedly the transporter and I had

relatedly the transporter and I had

relatedly the transporter and I had someone who was blatantly antitrump walk

someone who was blatantly antitrump walk

someone who was blatantly antitrump walk past and read about a very same greeting

past and read about a very same greeting

past and read about a very same greeting and they didn’t even acknowledge that

and they didn’t even acknowledge that

and they didn’t even acknowledge that there was another human being standing

there was another human being standing

there was another human being standing in front of me having a conversation

in front of me having a conversation

in front of me having a conversation because that’s how much they disagreed

because that’s how much they disagreed

because that’s how much they disagreed so what started to happen

so what started to happen

so what started to happen there’s people are forgetting that those

there’s people are forgetting that those

there’s people are forgetting that those who disagree are still people okay so to

who disagree are still people okay so to

who disagree are still people okay so to try to hope you understand by Framing if

try to hope you understand by Framing if

try to hope you understand by Framing if I had stood up yesterday wearing the

I had stood up yesterday wearing the

I had stood up yesterday wearing the make America great again kappa how many

make America great again kappa how many

make America great again kappa how many people did this one it would have

people did this one it would have

people did this one it would have instantly assumed something about my

instantly assumed something about my

instantly assumed something about my personality visible okay sounds likely

personality visible okay sounds likely

personality visible okay sounds likely that you would have assumed things like

that you would have assumed things like

that you would have assumed things like on the side of the stick there’s nothing

on the side of the stick there’s nothing

on the side of the stick there’s nothing perfect

perfect

perfect you know lots of terrible things lots of

you know lots of terrible things lots of

you know lots of terrible things lots of really bad ways to describe you she

really bad ways to describe you she

really bad ways to describe you she would be your also problem student my

would be your also problem student my

would be your also problem student my religion but diet Aldous come to the

religion but diet Aldous come to the

religion but diet Aldous come to the point when we hang people based on out

point when we hang people based on out

point when we hang people based on out of the protocol okay so this is a

of the protocol okay so this is a

of the protocol okay so this is a problem to me this is a big problem and

problem to me this is a big problem and

problem to me this is a big problem and like I mentioned is because people

like I mentioned is because people

like I mentioned is because people forget that this is a person they focus

forget that this is a person they focus

forget that this is a person they focus on differences rather than the fact that

on differences rather than the fact that

on differences rather than the fact that this is a person so how do we fix this

this is a person so how do we fix this

this is a person so how do we fix this problem

problem

problem well we need to be able to form

well we need to be able to form

well we need to be able to form relationships with the people that we

relationships with the people that we

relationships with the people that we disagree with okay this is vitally

disagree with okay this is vitally

disagree with okay this is vitally important and the main reason for this

important and the main reason for this

important and the main reason for this is like I said if you look back at the

is like I said if you look back at the

is like I said if you look back at the color at the politics there was no

color at the politics there was no

color at the politics there was no discussion happening in the middle there

discussion happening in the middle there

discussion happening in the middle there was no driver to find the best solution

was no driver to find the best solution

was no driver to find the best solution so I understand that forming a

so I understand that forming a

so I understand that forming a relationship with someone who has

relationship with someone who has

relationship with someone who has believes that are a tiny difference

believes that are a tiny difference

believes that are a tiny difference yours is difficult but there’s an easier

yours is difficult but there’s an easier

yours is difficult but there’s an easier way to do because if you focus on

way to do because if you focus on

way to do because if you focus on something that you have in common

something that you have in common

something that you have in common then it gives you a capsule start

then it gives you a capsule start

then it gives you a capsule start relationship okay so I found someone who

relationship okay so I found someone who

relationship okay so I found someone who I knew was entirely different to be

I knew was entirely different to be

I knew was entirely different to be there but as a Scotsman I also knew that

there but as a Scotsman I also knew that

there but as a Scotsman I also knew that this person participating the sport that

this person participating the sport that

this person participating the sport that I knew nothing about so I started

I knew nothing about so I started

I knew nothing about so I started talking to them about the sport started

talking to them about the sport started

talking to them about the sport started getting to know the sport I start

getting to know the sport I start

getting to know the sport I start arguments what I did that they need only

arguments what I did that they need only

arguments what I did that they need only run and inform the friendship and we’ve

run and inform the friendship and we’ve

run and inform the friendship and we’ve been good friends ever since despite the

been good friends ever since despite the

been good friends ever since despite the fact that we disagree on everything

fact that we disagree on everything

fact that we disagree on everything believe everything now it’s the making

believe everything now it’s the making

believe everything now it’s the making forming a relationship is the most

forming a relationship is the most

forming a relationship is the most important part of this process because

important part of this process because

important part of this process because of a psychological phenomenon known as

of a psychological phenomenon known as

of a psychological phenomenon known as cognitive dissonance okay now what

cognitive dissonance okay now what

cognitive dissonance okay now what cognitive dissonance is basically

cognitive dissonance is basically

cognitive dissonance is basically speaking it explains that regardless of

speaking it explains that regardless of

speaking it explains that regardless of how well you formulate on it regardless

how well you formulate on it regardless

how well you formulate on it regardless of how much evidence you put forth to

of how much evidence you put forth to

of how much evidence you put forth to support your view if you do it too

support your view if you do it too

support your view if you do it too quickly

quickly

quickly who disagrees with you they will put

who disagrees with you they will put

who disagrees with you they will put aside all logic and reasoning for the

aside all logic and reasoning for the

aside all logic and reasoning for the sake of definitive news okay now we are

sake of definitive news okay now we are

sake of definitive news okay now we are trying to get someone to understand your

trying to get someone to understand your

trying to get someone to understand your point of view and to understand that

point of view and to understand that

point of view and to understand that because you disagree with them doesn’t

because you disagree with them doesn’t

because you disagree with them doesn’t mean you are against them it’s important

mean you are against them it’s important

mean you are against them it’s important that you form this relationship and get

that you form this relationship and get

that you form this relationship and get them to trust it’s important that your

them to trust it’s important that your

them to trust it’s important that your love and opportunity to remember that

love and opportunity to remember that

love and opportunity to remember that your person before you start discussing

your person before you start discussing

your person before you start discussing these beliefs but it’s also important to

these beliefs but it’s also important to

these beliefs but it’s also important to remember that as much as you’re trying

remember that as much as you’re trying

remember that as much as you’re trying to get them to accept your point of view

to get them to accept your point of view

to get them to accept your point of view you have to accept that you have to be

you have to accept that you have to be

you have to accept that you have to be as open-minded as you will expect them

as open-minded as you will expect them

as open-minded as you will expect them to now once you come to forming this

to now once you come to forming this

to now once you come to forming this relationship you get to know the person

relationship you get to know the person

relationship you get to know the person they get to know you you get to trust

they get to know you you get to trust

they get to know you you get to trust them then it’s trust you then you can

them then it’s trust you then you can

them then it’s trust you then you can start talking about your differences

start talking about your differences

start talking about your differences then you can start discussing why you

then you can start discussing why you

then you can start discussing why you disagree on things why you have a

disagree on things why you have a

disagree on things why you have a particular point of view from may you

particular point of view from may you

particular point of view from may you move from there you start to grow

move from there you start to grow

move from there you start to grow because I understand that it’s difficult

because I understand that it’s difficult

because I understand that it’s difficult to have someone sit down in front of you

to have someone sit down in front of you

to have someone sit down in front of you and tell you why they think your views

and tell you why they think your views

and tell you why they think your views either run or there’s something

either run or there’s something

either run or there’s something incorrect about them or has problems

incorrect about them or has problems

incorrect about them or has problems because of this citizeness I understand

because of this citizeness I understand

because of this citizeness I understand that that’s wrong it’s not easy but

that that’s wrong it’s not easy but

that that’s wrong it’s not easy but think of it like this in the scientific

think of it like this in the scientific

think of it like this in the scientific community when someone does research

community when someone does research

community when someone does research that research gets presented for

that research gets presented for

that research gets presented for peer-reviewed upon completion the people

peer-reviewed upon completion the people

peer-reviewed upon completion the people who are reviewing that researcher rip it

who are reviewing that researcher rip it

who are reviewing that researcher rip it to shreds to find any single thing

to shreds to find any single thing

to shreds to find any single thing that’s wrong they will put in effort to

that’s wrong they will put in effort to

that’s wrong they will put in effort to try to prove that this thing is wrong so

try to prove that this thing is wrong so

try to prove that this thing is wrong so think of it like that if someone is

think of it like that if someone is

think of it like that if someone is coming to you and showing you you’re

coming to you and showing you you’re

coming to you and showing you you’re quiet or the faults in your argument why

quiet or the faults in your argument why

quiet or the faults in your argument why they think you’re going to view is wrong

they think you’re going to view is wrong

they think you’re going to view is wrong there are two things that can happen

there are two things that can happen

there are two things that can happen either

either

either you take that and you use it to grow

you take that and you use it to grow

you take that and you use it to grow your believe you use it to understand

your believe you use it to understand

your believe you use it to understand what you understand why those things are

what you understand why those things are

what you understand why those things are okay four years of Springs

okay four years of Springs

okay four years of Springs what you believe in all alternatively

what you believe in all alternatively

what you believe in all alternatively this person puts forth such a clear

this person puts forth such a clear

this person puts forth such a clear coherent and good argument that your

coherent and good argument that your

coherent and good argument that your beliefs changing either way you’re going

beliefs changing either way you’re going

beliefs changing either way you’re going to be growing as a person like I did

to be growing as a person like I did

to be growing as a person like I did whenever it is possible like I didn’t

whenever it is possible like I didn’t

whenever it is possible like I didn’t ever – eww

ever – eww

ever – eww so going forward you need to remember

so going forward you need to remember

so going forward you need to remember especially for those of you who are

especially for those of you who are

especially for those of you who are going to be graduating in going to the

going to be graduating in going to the

going to be graduating in going to the United States that you must first make

United States that you must first make

United States that you must first make friends with the person before

friends with the person before

friends with the person before understandable before getting Tibet or

understandable before getting Tibet or

understandable before getting Tibet or judge them identities first another

judge them identities first another

judge them identities first another person can know things because

person can know things because

person can know things because understand that as important as your

understand that as important as your

understand that as important as your beliefs are to you their beliefs as

beliefs are to you their beliefs as

beliefs are to you their beliefs as important together once you’ve got to

important together once you’ve got to

important together once you’ve got to that point then you can start making

that point then you can start making

that point then you can start making adjustments each other’s lives and

adjustments each other’s lives and

adjustments each other’s lives and become more accepting now for me if you

become more accepting now for me if you

become more accepting now for me if you are willing to put in effort to changing

are willing to put in effort to changing

are willing to put in effort to changing your society to making a society better

your society to making a society better

your society to making a society better by getting people who disagree with each

by getting people who disagree with each

by getting people who disagree with each other and to argue with each other to

other and to argue with each other to

other and to argue with each other to come together and root for as a whole

come together and root for as a whole

come together and root for as a whole then to me that’s a sign of power and to

then to me that’s a sign of power and to

then to me that’s a sign of power and to quite mature enough to change the world

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