that’s good I hope you’re well I hope you don’t mind listening to some more
you don’t mind listening to some more
you don’t mind listening to some more English as well as a little bit more
English as well as a little bit more
English as well as a little bit more physics but I won’t get too much into
physics but I won’t get too much into
physics but I won’t get too much into the physics for you so in July of 2012
the physics for you so in July of 2012
the physics for you so in July of 2012 this 70 year old man sat in the main
this 70 year old man sat in the main
this 70 year old man sat in the main auditorium at CERN which is the European
auditorium at CERN which is the European
auditorium at CERN which is the European high energy physics laboratory located
high energy physics laboratory located
high energy physics laboratory located in Geneva Switzerland he was listening
in Geneva Switzerland he was listening
in Geneva Switzerland he was listening to a presentation by the soon-to-be
to a presentation by the soon-to-be
to a presentation by the soon-to-be director-general who was unveiling some
director-general who was unveiling some
director-general who was unveiling some of the newest physics results and at the
of the newest physics results and at the
of the newest physics results and at the end of the presentation the whole room
end of the presentation the whole room
end of the presentation the whole room erupted in applause people stood up and
erupted in applause people stood up and
erupted in applause people stood up and all eyes were on him because after 50
all eyes were on him because after 50
all eyes were on him because after 50 years of waiting CERN had announced the
years of waiting CERN had announced the
years of waiting CERN had announced the discovery of a new particle this
discovery of a new particle this
discovery of a new particle this particle was named after this gentleman
particle was named after this gentleman
particle was named after this gentleman mr. Peter Higgs and I was there actually
mr. Peter Higgs and I was there actually
mr. Peter Higgs and I was there actually filming the event with several other
filming the event with several other
filming the event with several other camera operators and everybody was
camera operators and everybody was
camera operators and everybody was really obsessed about how monumental and
really obsessed about how monumental and
really obsessed about how monumental and historic this discovery was but what we
historic this discovery was but what we
historic this discovery was but what we noticed filming was something that most
noticed filming was something that most
noticed filming was something that most the audience didn’t see and that was
the audience didn’t see and that was
the audience didn’t see and that was when mr. Higgs gently took off his
when mr. Higgs gently took off his
when mr. Higgs gently took off his glasses and wiped away one single little
glasses and wiped away one single little
glasses and wiped away one single little tear of joy because he didn’t know if he
tear of joy because he didn’t know if he
tear of joy because he didn’t know if he was ever going to see this moment in his
was ever going to see this moment in his
was ever going to see this moment in his lifetime imagine waiting five decades
lifetime imagine waiting five decades
lifetime imagine waiting five decades for something to happen luckily we got
for something to happen luckily we got
for something to happen luckily we got this moment this emotional human moment
this moment this emotional human moment
this moment this emotional human moment of a discovery on film or on camera and
of a discovery on film or on camera and
of a discovery on film or on camera and this was actually used in a documentary
this was actually used in a documentary
this was actually used in a documentary film named particle fever which was made
film named particle fever which was made
film named particle fever which was made by physicist turned filmmaker Mark
by physicist turned filmmaker Mark
by physicist turned filmmaker Mark Levinson and I was working with mark on
Levinson and I was working with mark on
Levinson and I was working with mark on the film Mark had come to CERN in 2008
the film Mark had come to CERN in 2008
the film Mark had come to CERN in 2008 to start filming for particle fever and
to start filming for particle fever and
to start filming for particle fever and we met because we had similar interests
we met because we had similar interests
we met because we had similar interests I’ve been working at CERN as an engineer
I’ve been working at CERN as an engineer
I’ve been working at CERN as an engineer but i did some filmmaking from time to
but i did some filmmaking from time to
but i did some filmmaking from time to time and people
time and people
time and people hey you’ve got to meet this guy and Mark
hey you’ve got to meet this guy and Mark
hey you’ve got to meet this guy and Mark told me he was going to make a film
told me he was going to make a film
told me he was going to make a film about the art behind the science about
about the art behind the science about
about the art behind the science about the human endeavor the drama the story
the human endeavor the drama the story
the human endeavor the drama the story of making not only this enormous machine
of making not only this enormous machine
of making not only this enormous machine which I’ll show you but also actually
which I’ll show you but also actually
which I’ll show you but also actually making the discoveries and I thought wow
making the discoveries and I thought wow
making the discoveries and I thought wow this is great finally somebody’s going
this is great finally somebody’s going
this is great finally somebody’s going to capture what we do as people it’s not
to capture what we do as people it’s not
to capture what we do as people it’s not just about the numbers it’s also about
just about the numbers it’s also about
just about the numbers it’s also about what we’re actually doing as humans and
what we’re actually doing as humans and
what we’re actually doing as humans and so this was really really critical and I
so this was really really critical and I
so this was really really critical and I said okay great I’m on board I’m gonna
said okay great I’m on board I’m gonna
said okay great I’m on board I’m gonna help you film this and over the next
help you film this and over the next
help you film this and over the next five years who worked on this film but
five years who worked on this film but
five years who worked on this film but people were quite skeptical they were
people were quite skeptical they were
people were quite skeptical they were actually not at all sure that people
actually not at all sure that people
actually not at all sure that people would react well to a film about the
would react well to a film about the
would react well to a film about the people the human side of science in fact
people the human side of science in fact
people the human side of science in fact we had plenty of quote experienced film
we had plenty of quote experienced film
we had plenty of quote experienced film directors while producers really tell us
directors while producers really tell us
directors while producers really tell us you know you guys don’t know you don’t
you know you guys don’t know you don’t
you know you guys don’t know you don’t make science films this isn’t how people
make science films this isn’t how people
make science films this isn’t how people watch science they’re not going to care
watch science they’re not going to care
watch science they’re not going to care they’re going to be bored and in fact
they’re going to be bored and in fact
they’re going to be bored and in fact for me it was quite interesting because
for me it was quite interesting because
for me it was quite interesting because I had been working at CERN at that point
I had been working at CERN at that point
I had been working at CERN at that point for about 10 years and I knew a lot of
for about 10 years and I knew a lot of
for about 10 years and I knew a lot of people I interacted with them on a daily
people I interacted with them on a daily
people I interacted with them on a daily basis but as soon as I picked up that
basis but as soon as I picked up that
basis but as soon as I picked up that camera and had that in front of me I was
camera and had that in front of me I was
camera and had that in front of me I was seeing an emotional side to people I was
seeing an emotional side to people I was
seeing an emotional side to people I was seeing a lot of hopes and fears that I
seeing a lot of hopes and fears that I
seeing a lot of hopes and fears that I didn’t get to see day-to-day in
didn’t get to see day-to-day in
didn’t get to see day-to-day in engineering meetings and things like
engineering meetings and things like
engineering meetings and things like that so it really gave me a different
that so it really gave me a different
that so it really gave me a different perspective on the film are on the on
perspective on the film are on the on
perspective on the film are on the on the pursuit and this was obviously
the pursuit and this was obviously
the pursuit and this was obviously reflected in the film and so when the
reflected in the film and so when the
reflected in the film and so when the film came out it was actually against
film came out it was actually against
film came out it was actually against maybe all odds an immediate success and
maybe all odds an immediate success and
maybe all odds an immediate success and I premiered in several film festivals at
I premiered in several film festivals at
I premiered in several film festivals at won several awards and the public was
won several awards and the public was
won several awards and the public was generally extremely warm and
generally extremely warm and
generally extremely warm and enthusiastic but they were also a little
enthusiastic but they were also a little
enthusiastic but they were also a little bit confused they were thinking why am i
bit confused they were thinking why am i
bit confused they were thinking why am i reacting so emotionally to something
reacting so emotionally to something
reacting so emotionally to something that’s supposed to be boring supposed to
that’s supposed to be boring supposed to
that’s supposed to be boring supposed to be uninteresting
be uninteresting
be uninteresting and in fact this was really really well
and in fact this was really really well
and in fact this was really really well summed up by a review in the magazine
summed up by a review in the magazine
summed up by a review in the magazine Scientific American the viewer said
Scientific American the viewer said
Scientific American the viewer said quote full disclosure I cried at a movie
quote full disclosure I cried at a movie
quote full disclosure I cried at a movie about particle physics and I wasn’t
about particle physics and I wasn’t
about particle physics and I wasn’t alone I’ve been to screenings of this
alone I’ve been to screenings of this
alone I’ve been to screenings of this film where half the room is crying you
film where half the room is crying you
film where half the room is crying you know and this is kind of kind of
know and this is kind of kind of
know and this is kind of kind of remarkable actually because we do have
remarkable actually because we do have
remarkable actually because we do have this idea that science is dry it’s
this idea that science is dry it’s
this idea that science is dry it’s uncreated its analytical on the other
uncreated its analytical on the other
uncreated its analytical on the other hand we have an expectation that art
hand we have an expectation that art
hand we have an expectation that art will be the opposite right art is
will be the opposite right art is
will be the opposite right art is supposed to move us if we go to the
supposed to move us if we go to the
supposed to move us if we go to the movies and we’re not emotionally moved
movies and we’re not emotionally moved
movies and we’re not emotionally moved we don’t cry we don’t not driven to you
we don’t cry we don’t not driven to you
we don’t cry we don’t not driven to you know despair then we feel like it’s been
know despair then we feel like it’s been
know despair then we feel like it’s been a failure actually and in fact we’ll go
a failure actually and in fact we’ll go
a failure actually and in fact we’ll go wait hours in line to see a painting
wait hours in line to see a painting
wait hours in line to see a painting like the Mona Lisa with a bunch of other
like the Mona Lisa with a bunch of other
like the Mona Lisa with a bunch of other people holding up their stupid phones
people holding up their stupid phones
people holding up their stupid phones you know and why it’s because we’re
you know and why it’s because we’re
you know and why it’s because we’re immensely touched by art but at the same
immensely touched by art but at the same
immensely touched by art but at the same time we tend to actually think that art
time we tend to actually think that art
time we tend to actually think that art is maybe not essential to our lives that
is maybe not essential to our lives that
is maybe not essential to our lives that is maybe entertainment right it’s not
is maybe entertainment right it’s not
is maybe entertainment right it’s not serious I mean kids when they say i want
serious I mean kids when they say i want
serious I mean kids when they say i want to i want to be a painter mom they say
to i want to be a painter mom they say
to i want to be a painter mom they say no you’ve got to do something useful you
no you’ve got to do something useful you
no you’ve got to do something useful you know so a thing about all this is that
know so a thing about all this is that
know so a thing about all this is that the division this perceived division
the division this perceived division
the division this perceived division between science and art it was not
between science and art it was not
between science and art it was not always there which I think most of us at
always there which I think most of us at
always there which I think most of us at some level kind of know in fact in the
some level kind of know in fact in the
some level kind of know in fact in the Renaissance art and science were
Renaissance art and science were
Renaissance art and science were intrinsically linked artists were
intrinsically linked artists were
intrinsically linked artists were extremely interested to use developments
extremely interested to use developments
extremely interested to use developments in science and knowledge to take the
in science and knowledge to take the
in science and knowledge to take the invention or discovery rather of
invention or discovery rather of
invention or discovery rather of perspective advances in anatomy and to
perspective advances in anatomy and to
perspective advances in anatomy and to use those in their paintings in order to
use those in their paintings in order to
use those in their paintings in order to make them more realistic to make them
make them more realistic to make them
make them more realistic to make them connect more with the people the public
connect more with the people the public
connect more with the people the public and this in turn spread more
and this in turn spread more
and this in turn spread more investigation because it was a sinner
investigation because it was a sinner
investigation because it was a sinner istic arrangement where they both
istic arrangement where they both
istic arrangement where they both benefited each other so there wasn’t a
benefited each other so there wasn’t a
benefited each other so there wasn’t a big obsession about whether it was
big obsession about whether it was
big obsession about whether it was science or art and in fact we still have
science or art and in fact we still have
science or art and in fact we still have colleges at universities that are called
colleges at universities that are called
colleges at universities that are called the college of arts and sciences right
the college of arts and sciences right
the college of arts and sciences right the College of Engineering might be over
the College of Engineering might be over
the College of Engineering might be over here but the College of Arts and
here but the College of Arts and
here but the College of Arts and Sciences is one thing so during the last
Sciences is one thing so during the last
Sciences is one thing so during the last several centuries technological
several centuries technological
several centuries technological developments have been linked to
developments have been linked to
developments have been linked to artistic developments very often the
artistic developments very often the
artistic developments very often the technological or scientific development
technological or scientific development
technological or scientific development has actually come first this right here
has actually come first this right here
has actually come first this right here is a picture of eadweard muybridge ‘as
is a picture of eadweard muybridge ‘as
is a picture of eadweard muybridge ‘as early photos he developed a multi camera
early photos he developed a multi camera
early photos he developed a multi camera motion capture system this is
motion capture system this is
motion capture system this is essentially some of the earliest moving
essentially some of the earliest moving
essentially some of the earliest moving images if you want to think of it that
images if you want to think of it that
images if you want to think of it that way and this actually was developed to
way and this actually was developed to
way and this actually was developed to answer the question it was actually a
answer the question it was actually a
answer the question it was actually a bet as the story goes with leland
bet as the story goes with leland
bet as the story goes with leland stanford the founder of stanford
stanford the founder of stanford
stanford the founder of stanford university the bet was whether or not a
university the bet was whether or not a
university the bet was whether or not a horse had all four legs off the ground
horse had all four legs off the ground
horse had all four legs off the ground when it was galloping so this was a fact
when it was galloping so this was a fact
when it was galloping so this was a fact it was either true or not true but you
it was either true or not true but you
it was either true or not true but you couldn’t know we didn’t have you know
couldn’t know we didn’t have you know
couldn’t know we didn’t have you know 120 frame per second slow motion on our
120 frame per second slow motion on our
120 frame per second slow motion on our iphones at the time so this was a
iphones at the time so this was a
iphones at the time so this was a mystery they could not be unveiled it
mystery they could not be unveiled it
mystery they could not be unveiled it was an invisible mystery of the universe
was an invisible mystery of the universe
was an invisible mystery of the universe and so he invented a machine okay or a
and so he invented a machine okay or a
and so he invented a machine okay or a series of machines may be in order to
series of machines may be in order to
series of machines may be in order to answer this question and look at the
answer this question and look at the
answer this question and look at the pictures you can see it’s quite clear
pictures you can see it’s quite clear
pictures you can see it’s quite clear right now you you know something so this
right now you you know something so this
right now you you know something so this technique it contributed to the
technique it contributed to the
technique it contributed to the knowledge that was available at the time
knowledge that was available at the time
knowledge that was available at the time and obviously this is the precursor to
and obviously this is the precursor to
and obviously this is the precursor to the moving image which as we know
the moving image which as we know
the moving image which as we know developed very very very quickly into
developed very very very quickly into
developed very very very quickly into cinema which is probably the predominant
cinema which is probably the predominant
cinema which is probably the predominant art form of our times at least the audio
art form of our times at least the audio
art form of our times at least the audio visual art form if you will so at CERN
visual art form if you will so at CERN
visual art form if you will so at CERN we’re trying to bring back reforge the
we’re trying to bring back reforge the
we’re trying to bring back reforge the links between art and science I think
links between art and science I think
links between art and science I think that they might have been lost during
that they might have been lost during
that they might have been lost during the industrial revolution
the industrial revolution
the industrial revolution to some extent because that was the time
to some extent because that was the time
to some extent because that was the time when technology really came into being
when technology really came into being
when technology really came into being and when we said production is important
and when we said production is important
and when we said production is important we quantify things there were people
we quantify things there were people
we quantify things there were people that went to factories and wrote down
that went to factories and wrote down
that went to factories and wrote down exactly how long it took to do every
exactly how long it took to do every
exactly how long it took to do every step to try to squeeze out as much
step to try to squeeze out as much
step to try to squeeze out as much productivity as possible and so at that
productivity as possible and so at that
productivity as possible and so at that time it was maybe hard to see the link
time it was maybe hard to see the link
time it was maybe hard to see the link between creativity between art and
between creativity between art and
between creativity between art and between production in a big factory with
between production in a big factory with
between production in a big factory with people working long long shifts every
people working long long shifts every
people working long long shifts every day but so at CERN we’ve developed an
day but so at CERN we’ve developed an
day but so at CERN we’ve developed an artist in residency program and we’ve
artist in residency program and we’ve
artist in residency program and we’ve invited artists to come to CERN to try
invited artists to come to CERN to try
invited artists to come to CERN to try to reestablish these links between
to reestablish these links between
to reestablish these links between science and art and we’ve had over a
science and art and we’ve had over a
science and art and we’ve had over a hundred artists i believe over five
hundred artists i believe over five
hundred artists i believe over five years and they’ve come and they’ve
years and they’ve come and they’ve
years and they’ve come and they’ve interacted with us and we’ve taught them
interacted with us and we’ve taught them
interacted with us and we’ve taught them some things and i think that we’ve
some things and i think that we’ve
some things and i think that we’ve learned some things too so this is yan
learned some things too so this is yan
learned some things too so this is yan Peters with the super 8 camera who’s
Peters with the super 8 camera who’s
Peters with the super 8 camera who’s filming us working on our project and he
filming us working on our project and he
filming us working on our project and he was really integrated in our team he was
was really integrated in our team he was
was really integrated in our team he was the first photographer and filmmaker in
the first photographer and filmmaker in
the first photographer and filmmaker in residence at CERN and I was his
residence at CERN and I was his
residence at CERN and I was his inspirational scientific partner it’s
inspirational scientific partner it’s
inspirational scientific partner it’s kind of a funny thing to say but there
kind of a funny thing to say but there
kind of a funny thing to say but there you have it and yan spent about a year
you have it and yan spent about a year
you have it and yan spent about a year with us actually underground sometimes
with us actually underground sometimes
with us actually underground sometimes in the lab hanging out trawling through
in the lab hanging out trawling through
in the lab hanging out trawling through the trenches handing us tools when we
the trenches handing us tools when we
the trenches handing us tools when we needed them he was really part of the
needed them he was really part of the
needed them he was really part of the group but he also taught us a lot
group but he also taught us a lot
group but he also taught us a lot actually on the one hand he showed us
actually on the one hand he showed us
actually on the one hand he showed us how people look at our experiment and
how people look at our experiment and
how people look at our experiment and this immense machine that we’ve created
this immense machine that we’ve created
this immense machine that we’ve created and also the endeavour just the the way
and also the endeavour just the the way
and also the endeavour just the the way that we work he showed us what it looks
that we work he showed us what it looks
that we work he showed us what it looks like from the outside and so we started
like from the outside and so we started
like from the outside and so we started to get an idea of how our family members
to get an idea of how our family members
to get an idea of how our family members or our friends who could never visit us
or our friends who could never visit us
or our friends who could never visit us in these restricted areas how they might
in these restricted areas how they might
in these restricted areas how they might see our work and what they might think
see our work and what they might think
see our work and what they might think about it and he also made us think about
about it and he also made us think about
about it and he also made us think about our actual designs he showed us where
our actual designs he showed us where
our actual designs he showed us where there’s sometimes beauty and symmetry he
there’s sometimes beauty and symmetry he
there’s sometimes beauty and symmetry he showed us where their simplicity and
showed us where their simplicity and
showed us where their simplicity and elegance but he also showed us some
elegance but he also showed us some
elegance but he also showed us some times where there perhaps is
times where there perhaps is
times where there perhaps is and not everything is well done and not
and not everything is well done and not
and not everything is well done and not everything is beautiful but it just so
everything is beautiful but it just so
everything is beautiful but it just so happens that not only is art an
happens that not only is art an
happens that not only is art an excellent way for us to communicate
excellent way for us to communicate
excellent way for us to communicate science that’s not all that it is our
science that’s not all that it is our
science that’s not all that it is our interactions with people like young with
interactions with people like young with
interactions with people like young with artists in residence at CERN it teaches
artists in residence at CERN it teaches
artists in residence at CERN it teaches us something about what we do because it
us something about what we do because it
us something about what we do because it just so happens that when you make a
just so happens that when you make a
just so happens that when you make a design that works a design that’s good
design that works a design that’s good
design that works a design that’s good technical and simple it’s very often
technical and simple it’s very often
technical and simple it’s very often much more attractive maybe even
much more attractive maybe even
much more attractive maybe even beautiful compared to the wrong answer
beautiful compared to the wrong answer
beautiful compared to the wrong answer and so we use this to assess a lot of
and so we use this to assess a lot of
and so we use this to assess a lot of what we were doing you can’t say that
what we were doing you can’t say that
what we were doing you can’t say that you made this choice here or this choice
you made this choice here or this choice
you made this choice here or this choice here because an artist came in and asked
here because an artist came in and asked
here because an artist came in and asked you about it that would be a simplistic
you about it that would be a simplistic
you about it that would be a simplistic way of doing things or visualizing the
way of doing things or visualizing the
way of doing things or visualizing the situation but as a whole it changed our
situation but as a whole it changed our
situation but as a whole it changed our perspective and that’s a very important
perspective and that’s a very important
perspective and that’s a very important thing when you’re trying to pursue
thing when you’re trying to pursue
thing when you’re trying to pursue excellence and you’re trying to always
excellence and you’re trying to always
excellence and you’re trying to always do a better job and actually we thought
do a better job and actually we thought
do a better job and actually we thought a lot about what it means to be
a lot about what it means to be
a lot about what it means to be scientists and engineers and what it
scientists and engineers and what it
scientists and engineers and what it means to be in the discipline of physics
means to be in the discipline of physics
means to be in the discipline of physics because Young was a photographer and a
because Young was a photographer and a
because Young was a photographer and a filmmaker and so we were thinking about
filmmaker and so we were thinking about
filmmaker and so we were thinking about photography photography and filmmaking
photography photography and filmmaking
photography photography and filmmaking and in fact physics has a really long
and in fact physics has a really long
and in fact physics has a really long tradition a really long history with the
tradition a really long history with the
tradition a really long history with the imaging process photography is a basic
imaging process photography is a basic
imaging process photography is a basic pursuit of capturing a moment in time
pursuit of capturing a moment in time
pursuit of capturing a moment in time and unveiling something about the world
and unveiling something about the world
and unveiling something about the world through light and energy and in fact
through light and energy and in fact
through light and energy and in fact physics is almost exactly the same thing
physics is almost exactly the same thing
physics is almost exactly the same thing this is a bubble chamber photo bubble
this is a bubble chamber photo bubble
this is a bubble chamber photo bubble chamber is a very early type of physics
chamber is a very early type of physics
chamber is a very early type of physics detector analog actually so the
detector analog actually so the
detector analog actually so the particles are etched onto a piece of
particles are etched onto a piece of
particles are etched onto a piece of photographic emulsion here and this
photographic emulsion here and this
photographic emulsion here and this photographic emulsion is then projected
photographic emulsion is then projected
photographic emulsion is then projected and analyzed under a magnifying glass by
and analyzed under a magnifying glass by
and analyzed under a magnifying glass by hand this is in the 60s okay obviously
hand this is in the 60s okay obviously
hand this is in the 60s okay obviously we’ve gotten a little bit more
we’ve gotten a little bit more
we’ve gotten a little bit more technically developed since then
technically developed since then
technically developed since then this is Atlas this is my experiment my
this is Atlas this is my experiment my
this is Atlas this is my experiment my experiment I don’t own it but this is
experiment I don’t own it but this is
experiment I don’t own it but this is the experiment that I work on and you
the experiment that I work on and you
the experiment that I work on and you can see it’s a it’s a beast it’s 44
can see it’s a it’s a beast it’s 44
can see it’s a it’s a beast it’s 44 meters long 25 meters in diameter that’s
meters long 25 meters in diameter that’s
meters long 25 meters in diameter that’s something like six seven stories tall
something like six seven stories tall
something like six seven stories tall and it’s 80 meters underground and this
and it’s 80 meters underground and this
and it’s 80 meters underground and this is our big digital camera essentially so
is our big digital camera essentially so
is our big digital camera essentially so out of this immense machine there’s
out of this immense machine there’s
out of this immense machine there’s actually a section in the middle which
actually a section in the middle which
actually a section in the middle which we call the inner tracker and this is
we call the inner tracker and this is
we call the inner tracker and this is our digital camera it’s an 80 megapixel
our digital camera it’s an 80 megapixel
our digital camera it’s an 80 megapixel camera okay which is already pretty
camera okay which is already pretty
camera okay which is already pretty pretty astounding but more than that it
pretty astounding but more than that it
pretty astounding but more than that it takes 40 million images every second now
takes 40 million images every second now
takes 40 million images every second now like in your digital camera there’s some
like in your digital camera there’s some
like in your digital camera there’s some compression going on there because
compression going on there because
compression going on there because otherwise we couldn’t store it all and
otherwise we couldn’t store it all and
otherwise we couldn’t store it all and we don’t use you know SD cards but this
we don’t use you know SD cards but this
we don’t use you know SD cards but this is fundamentally what we’re doing and we
is fundamentally what we’re doing and we
is fundamentally what we’re doing and we do that actually in this very center
do that actually in this very center
do that actually in this very center region it’s this little section which is
region it’s this little section which is
region it’s this little section which is actually a detector only about the size
actually a detector only about the size
actually a detector only about the size of really like an IMAX camera which are
of really like an IMAX camera which are
of really like an IMAX camera which are pretty big but nonetheless that’s pretty
pretty big but nonetheless that’s pretty
pretty big but nonetheless that’s pretty small for the overall size of this
small for the overall size of this
small for the overall size of this enormous cavern this is composed of more
enormous cavern this is composed of more
enormous cavern this is composed of more than 1,700 pixel modules these modules
than 1,700 pixel modules these modules
than 1,700 pixel modules these modules are essentially like digital camera
are essentially like digital camera
are essentially like digital camera sensors not quite the same technology
sensors not quite the same technology
sensors not quite the same technology but very very similar they have pixels
but very very similar they have pixels
but very very similar they have pixels in them but if you compare this to the
in them but if you compare this to the
in them but if you compare this to the imaging formats that exist in let’s say
imaging formats that exist in let’s say
imaging formats that exist in let’s say the artistic realm and you look at imax
the artistic realm and you look at imax
the artistic realm and you look at imax which is the largest one this is about
which is the largest one this is about
which is the largest one this is about the size of our detector roughly
the size of our detector roughly
the size of our detector roughly speaking but in terms of imaging area
speaking but in terms of imaging area
speaking but in terms of imaging area this I max sensor is a tiny tiny
this I max sensor is a tiny tiny
this I max sensor is a tiny tiny fraction of the imaging area of the
fraction of the imaging area of the
fraction of the imaging area of the pixel detector and we’re actually not
pixel detector and we’re actually not
pixel detector and we’re actually not working on upgrading this it’s going to
working on upgrading this it’s going to
working on upgrading this it’s going to be about 10 times larger which is kind
be about 10 times larger which is kind
be about 10 times larger which is kind of insane actually and so you can think
of insane actually and so you can think
of insane actually and so you can think of actually the particle physics
of actually the particle physics
of actually the particle physics detectors of old and of today as just an
detectors of old and of today as just an
detectors of old and of today as just an extension in the evolution of image
extension in the evolution of image
extension in the evolution of image the scientific and artistic process the
the scientific and artistic process the
the scientific and artistic process the creative process of making the invisible
creative process of making the invisible
creative process of making the invisible in our world visible it started with the
in our world visible it started with the
in our world visible it started with the camera obscura perhaps starting with the
camera obscura perhaps starting with the
camera obscura perhaps starting with the camera obscura in the period before the
camera obscura in the period before the
camera obscura in the period before the 1800s going to the zoetrope which is
1800s going to the zoetrope which is
1800s going to the zoetrope which is actually a slight precursor to eadweard
actually a slight precursor to eadweard
actually a slight precursor to eadweard muybridge ‘as galloping horses and
muybridge ‘as galloping horses and
muybridge ‘as galloping horses and people dancing and things like that this
people dancing and things like that this
people dancing and things like that this is what one of the images looks like
is what one of the images looks like
is what one of the images looks like from our detector this has obviously
from our detector this has obviously
from our detector this has obviously been interpreted in some way and we’ve
been interpreted in some way and we’ve
been interpreted in some way and we’ve animated it to show actually the
animated it to show actually the
animated it to show actually the collision and then what comes out of
collision and then what comes out of
collision and then what comes out of that collision but this is the kind of
that collision but this is the kind of
that collision but this is the kind of picture that we make now unlike the
picture that we make now unlike the
picture that we make now unlike the bubble chamber one is getting more and
bubble chamber one is getting more and
bubble chamber one is getting more and more complicated and it’s getting
more complicated and it’s getting
more complicated and it’s getting three-dimensional and we actually became
three-dimensional and we actually became
three-dimensional and we actually became so interested in this idea of recording
so interested in this idea of recording
so interested in this idea of recording what we do that we started producing a
what we do that we started producing a
what we do that we started producing a film actually the scientists and
film actually the scientists and
film actually the scientists and engineers and physicists working in the
engineers and physicists working in the
engineers and physicists working in the cavern this is where we work we took six
cavern this is where we work we took six
cavern this is where we work we took six GoPros like actually this one that you
GoPros like actually this one that you
GoPros like actually this one that you see up here in front and we had them
see up here in front and we had them
see up here in front and we had them everywhere on top of our helmets we
everywhere on top of our helmets we
everywhere on top of our helmets we taped them to every type of moving piece
taped them to every type of moving piece
taped them to every type of moving piece of apparatus in the in the underground
of apparatus in the in the underground
of apparatus in the in the underground area and we filmed for months like this
area and we filmed for months like this
area and we filmed for months like this and we’re now turning it into a
and we’re now turning it into a
and we’re now turning it into a feature-length film or a long-form film
feature-length film or a long-form film
feature-length film or a long-form film at least we also developed something
at least we also developed something
at least we also developed something called the cynic lobe Film Festival at
called the cynic lobe Film Festival at
called the cynic lobe Film Festival at CERN because we were really convinced
CERN because we were really convinced
CERN because we were really convinced that we had learned a lot from this
that we had learned a lot from this
that we had learned a lot from this fusion of art and science in particular
fusion of art and science in particular
fusion of art and science in particular in the discipline of the moving image
in the discipline of the moving image
in the discipline of the moving image and we wanted to further that so we
and we wanted to further that so we
and we wanted to further that so we developed a film festival whose slogan
developed a film festival whose slogan
developed a film festival whose slogan is inspired by science and technology
is inspired by science and technology
is inspired by science and technology and we showcase films we also do things
and we showcase films we also do things
and we showcase films we also do things like installations and dome shows and
like installations and dome shows and
like installations and dome shows and even virtual reality and the idea is to
even virtual reality and the idea is to
even virtual reality and the idea is to bring in artists creators and filmmakers
bring in artists creators and filmmakers
bring in artists creators and filmmakers and have them interact with our
and have them interact with our
and have them interact with our scientists and then we invite the public
scientists and then we invite the public
scientists and then we invite the public to come and have an exchange with both
to come and have an exchange with both
to come and have an exchange with both of us and so this is our way
of us and so this is our way
of us and so this is our way of trying to reinforce these links
of trying to reinforce these links
of trying to reinforce these links between art and science and make it
between art and science and make it
between art and science and make it accessible to people we’re not trying to
accessible to people we’re not trying to
accessible to people we’re not trying to teach we’re trying to inspire so the
teach we’re trying to inspire so the
teach we’re trying to inspire so the question really is now what can we do in
question really is now what can we do in
question really is now what can we do in order to bring art and science more
order to bring art and science more
order to bring art and science more together when you think about it art and
together when you think about it art and
together when you think about it art and science are just two different ways of
science are just two different ways of
science are just two different ways of looking at the world and learning about
looking at the world and learning about
looking at the world and learning about the world and that is the most
the world and that is the most
the world and that is the most fundamental thing that we can do
fundamental thing that we can do
fundamental thing that we can do intuition inspiration synthesis and
intuition inspiration synthesis and
intuition inspiration synthesis and mastery of technique are critical for
mastery of technique are critical for
mastery of technique are critical for both art and science without all of
both art and science without all of
both art and science without all of these four elements one cannot do good
these four elements one cannot do good
these four elements one cannot do good science and one cannot do make good art
science and one cannot do make good art
science and one cannot do make good art and I have a three-year-old daughter I
did at least there we go and and she’s
did at least there we go and and she’s become obsessed with painting and
become obsessed with painting and
become obsessed with painting and drawing and things like that and also
drawing and things like that and also
drawing and things like that and also collecting snails in our garden she goes
collecting snails in our garden she goes
collecting snails in our garden she goes out looking for them all around and she
out looking for them all around and she
out looking for them all around and she collects them and puts them in these
collects them and puts them in these
collects them and puts them in these containers and stuff and I ask myself so
containers and stuff and I ask myself so
containers and stuff and I ask myself so what is she going to be is she going to
what is she going to be is she going to
what is she going to be is she going to be a little artist is she going to be a
be a little artist is she going to be a
be a little artist is she going to be a little biologist but does it actually
little biologist but does it actually
little biologist but does it actually even matter because actually that’s
even matter because actually that’s
even matter because actually that’s that’s not the most important thing why
that’s not the most important thing why
that’s not the most important thing why do we need to have two paths instead of
do we need to have two paths instead of
do we need to have two paths instead of just one so I leave you with this if
just one so I leave you with this if
just one so I leave you with this if what we’re trying to do is understand
what we’re trying to do is understand
what we’re trying to do is understand our world understand where we came from
our world understand where we came from
our world understand where we came from and where we’re going and we want to do
and where we’re going and we want to do
and where we’re going and we want to do that in a fundamentally deep and
that in a fundamentally deep and
that in a fundamentally deep and interesting way we need to combine art
interesting way we need to combine art
interesting way we need to combine art in science as much as we can because
in science as much as we can because
in science as much as we can because it’s two disciplines these two ways of
it’s two disciplines these two ways of
it’s two disciplines these two ways of looking at the universe are really what
looking at the universe are really what
looking at the universe are really what make us uniquely human thank you
make us uniquely human thank you
make us uniquely human thank you you
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