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The 2 North Project | Rachel Esters | TEDxCSU


I spent most of my adult life in jail

I spent most of my adult life in jail and working in jails I retired as a

and working in jails I retired as a

and working in jails I retired as a lieutenant from the Sheriff’s Office and

lieutenant from the Sheriff’s Office and

lieutenant from the Sheriff’s Office and I have a story to tell you or a

I have a story to tell you or a

I have a story to tell you or a conversation I want to have with you

conversation I want to have with you

conversation I want to have with you about jails there’s approximately

about jails there’s approximately

about jails there’s approximately 700,000 people at any given time in

700,000 people at any given time in

700,000 people at any given time in American jails and there’s more than

American jails and there’s more than

American jails and there’s more than 3,000 jails in America and there’s two

3,000 jails in America and there’s two

3,000 jails in America and there’s two things that I want you to remember when

things that I want you to remember when

things that I want you to remember when we have this conversation one is that

we have this conversation one is that

we have this conversation one is that the condition of environment is not the

the condition of environment is not the

the condition of environment is not the punishment meaning just being in jail if

punishment meaning just being in jail if

punishment meaning just being in jail if you’re convicted of a crime that’s the

you’re convicted of a crime that’s the

you’re convicted of a crime that’s the punishment you’re you’re separated from

punishment you’re you’re separated from

punishment you’re you’re separated from your community you’re separated from

your community you’re separated from

your community you’re separated from your family your friends from

your family your friends from

your family your friends from participating in in life that’s the

participating in in life that’s the

participating in in life that’s the punishment the punishment is not harsh

punishment the punishment is not harsh

punishment the punishment is not harsh conditions the other thing I want you to

conditions the other thing I want you to

conditions the other thing I want you to remember is that when we the way we

remember is that when we the way we

remember is that when we the way we treat people in jail really speaks more

treat people in jail really speaks more

treat people in jail really speaks more to what kind of people we are rather

to what kind of people we are rather

to what kind of people we are rather than what kind of people they are and I

than what kind of people they are and I

than what kind of people they are and I think with those two things in mind we

think with those two things in mind we

think with those two things in mind we can have this conversation so jail is a

can have this conversation so jail is a

can have this conversation so jail is a jarring experience when you go to jail

jarring experience when you go to jail

jarring experience when you go to jail you probably rode there in the back of a

you probably rode there in the back of a

you probably rode there in the back of a police car you were handcuffed you were

police car you were handcuffed you were

police car you were handcuffed you were probably searched when you’re arrested

probably searched when you’re arrested

probably searched when you’re arrested you got to the jail you’re probably

you got to the jail you’re probably

you got to the jail you’re probably searched again you might even been

searched again you might even been

searched again you might even been strip-searched in the jail you were

strip-searched in the jail you were

strip-searched in the jail you were processed you were catalogued they took

processed you were catalogued they took

processed you were catalogued they took information from me they took your

information from me they took your

information from me they took your fingerprints they took your pictures

fingerprints they took your pictures

fingerprints they took your pictures they told you when you could use a phone

they told you when you could use a phone

they told you when you could use a phone when you couldn’t use a phone where to

when you couldn’t use a phone where to

when you couldn’t use a phone where to sit where not to sit and when to go in

sit where not to sit and when to go in

sit where not to sit and when to go in the cell so they could lock the door and

the cell so they could lock the door and

the cell so they could lock the door and we call that locking down you have no

we call that locking down you have no

we call that locking down you have no control over your environment this

control over your environment this

control over your environment this environment that you’re living in in

environment that you’re living in in

environment that you’re living in in jail now it’s jarring but there’s

jail now it’s jarring but there’s

jail now it’s jarring but there’s something else happening when you go to

something else happening when you go to

something else happening when you go to jail jail is an emotional experience as

jail jail is an emotional experience as

jail jail is an emotional experience as well because when you go to jail you

well because when you go to jail you

well because when you go to jail you take a step out from society what’s

take a step out from society what’s

take a step out from society what’s gonna happen to my family am I gonna see

gonna happen to my family am I gonna see

gonna happen to my family am I gonna see my family again am I going to lose my

my family again am I going to lose my

my family again am I going to lose my job am I gonna be able to work in the

job am I gonna be able to work in the

job am I gonna be able to work in the morning

morning

morning what’s going to happen to me and these

what’s going to happen to me and these

what’s going to happen to me and these charges that they’ve leveled against me

charges that they’ve leveled against me

charges that they’ve leveled against me are these charges gonna mean that I’m

are these charges gonna mean that I’m

are these charges gonna mean that I’m gonna stay in jail for a longer period

gonna stay in jail for a longer period

gonna stay in jail for a longer period of time or maybe even go to prison for

of time or maybe even go to prison for

of time or maybe even go to prison for the rest of my life how is this gonna

the rest of my life how is this gonna

the rest of my life how is this gonna affect me how are people in the

affect me how are people in the

affect me how are people in the community gonna see me after me going to

community gonna see me after me going to

community gonna see me after me going to jail it’s an emotional experience jails

jail it’s an emotional experience jails

jail it’s an emotional experience jails are like small communities they’re

are like small communities they’re

are like small communities they’re little cities and they have all the

little cities and they have all the

little cities and they have all the services that you have in your community

services that you have in your community

services that you have in your community and the people in jail the populations

and the people in jail the populations

and the people in jail the populations in jail are divided into smaller groups

in jail are divided into smaller groups

in jail are divided into smaller groups to manage and care for their custody the

to manage and care for their custody the

to manage and care for their custody the largest group is general population so

largest group is general population so

largest group is general population so general population is like dorm living

general population is like dorm living

general population is like dorm living for the most part you can come out you

for the most part you can come out you

for the most part you can come out you can talk to other people you can watch

can talk to other people you can watch

can talk to other people you can watch TV play board games you might be able to

TV play board games you might be able to

TV play board games you might be able to go to programs it could be parenting

go to programs it could be parenting

go to programs it could be parenting programs educational programs it might

programs educational programs it might

programs educational programs it might be physical programs so that type of

be physical programs so that type of

be physical programs so that type of thing you have some time out with other

thing you have some time out with other

thing you have some time out with other people at night you’re probably going to

people at night you’re probably going to

people at night you’re probably going to lockdown in a Cell either by yourself or

lockdown in a Cell either by yourself or

lockdown in a Cell either by yourself or with somebody else but for the most part

with somebody else but for the most part

with somebody else but for the most part you’re gonna be out with other people

you’re gonna be out with other people

you’re gonna be out with other people male and female inmates aren’t housed

male and female inmates aren’t housed

male and female inmates aren’t housed together they’re housed in separate

together they’re housed in separate

together they’re housed in separate parts of the jail we have inmate workers

parts of the jail we have inmate workers

parts of the jail we have inmate workers in the jail and inmate workers are

in the jail and inmate workers are

in the jail and inmate workers are people who do the work in the jail they

people who do the work in the jail they

people who do the work in the jail they do the cleaning and they do the

do the cleaning and they do the

do the cleaning and they do the preparation of meals and the serving of

preparation of meals and the serving of

preparation of meals and the serving of meals and they do this in exchange for

meals and they do this in exchange for

meals and they do this in exchange for what’s called good time and that means

what’s called good time and that means

what’s called good time and that means that they get to leave jail hopefully a

that they get to leave jail hopefully a

that they get to leave jail hopefully a little earlier before their sentence is

little earlier before their sentence is

little earlier before their sentence is over and there’s another positive to

over and there’s another positive to

over and there’s another positive to doing this they have a distraction

doing this they have a distraction

doing this they have a distraction because remember we talked about the

because remember we talked about the

because remember we talked about the physical environment of being in jail

physical environment of being in jail

physical environment of being in jail and that’s a stress and then the

and that’s a stress and then the

and that’s a stress and then the emotional environment being in jail so

emotional environment being in jail so

emotional environment being in jail so all the emotional things that you’re

all the emotional things that you’re

all the emotional things that you’re dealing with that’s that’s another

dealing with that’s that’s another

dealing with that’s that’s another stressor and having something positive

stressor and having something positive

stressor and having something positive to do or to take your mind off of these

to do or to take your mind off of these

to do or to take your mind off of these things while you’re in jail is a good

things while you’re in jail is a good

things while you’re in jail is a good thing we have another group that is

thing we have another group that is

thing we have another group that is high-security admin segregation inmates

high-security admin segregation inmates

high-security admin segregation inmates and high-security admin segregation

and high-security admin segregation

and high-security admin segregation inmates these are people that are in

inmates these are people that are in

inmates these are people that are in jail within Jail

jail within Jail

jail within Jail generally high-security inmates are

generally high-security inmates are

generally high-security inmates are inmates that come to jail with a history

inmates that come to jail with a history

inmates that come to jail with a history of violent

of violent

of violent history of escape attempt or or perhaps

history of escape attempt or or perhaps

history of escape attempt or or perhaps when they came to jail they were

when they came to jail they were

when they came to jail they were threatening to be violent admin

threatening to be violent admin

threatening to be violent admin segregation inmates are inmates who have

segregation inmates are inmates who have

segregation inmates are inmates who have a hard time following the rules and

a hard time following the rules and

a hard time following the rules and there’s like a billion rules in jail you

there’s like a billion rules in jail you

there’s like a billion rules in jail you have to wear your shirt your clothes

have to wear your shirt your clothes

have to wear your shirt your clothes correctly you have to clean your room

correctly you have to clean your room

correctly you have to clean your room you have to follow directions you have

you have to follow directions you have

you have to follow directions you have to not backtalk there’s a bunch of rules

to not backtalk there’s a bunch of rules

to not backtalk there’s a bunch of rules that you have to follow in jail and it’s

that you have to follow in jail and it’s

that you have to follow in jail and it’s difficult it’s hard and some people just

difficult it’s hard and some people just

difficult it’s hard and some people just can’t do that they just can’t follow all

can’t do that they just can’t follow all

can’t do that they just can’t follow all these rules that are in this jail so

these rules that are in this jail so

these rules that are in this jail so they find themselves move to the

they find themselves move to the

they find themselves move to the high-security area to jail with in jail

high-security area to jail with in jail

high-security area to jail with in jail and they’re there with the high-security

and they’re there with the high-security

and they’re there with the high-security inmates and let’s talk about what this

inmates and let’s talk about what this

inmates and let’s talk about what this area looks like a lot of steel a lot of

area looks like a lot of steel a lot of

area looks like a lot of steel a lot of concrete the doors are called sliders

concrete the doors are called sliders

concrete the doors are called sliders that means that they’re mechanical doors

that means that they’re mechanical doors

that means that they’re mechanical doors are operated by staff who are sitting

are operated by staff who are sitting

are operated by staff who are sitting remotely behind Plexiglas there’s not a

remotely behind Plexiglas there’s not a

remotely behind Plexiglas there’s not a lot of entertainment in these areas

lot of entertainment in these areas

lot of entertainment in these areas there’s not a lot to do people are

there’s not a lot to do people are

there’s not a lot to do people are generally on lockdown up to 23 hours a

generally on lockdown up to 23 hours a

generally on lockdown up to 23 hours a day so if you want to know what that’s

day so if you want to know what that’s

day so if you want to know what that’s like when you go home today go in your

like when you go home today go in your

like when you go home today go in your bathroom shut the door first remove

bathroom shut the door first remove

bathroom shut the door first remove everything out of your bathroom shut the

everything out of your bathroom shut the

everything out of your bathroom shut the door and sit there for the next 24 hours

door and sit there for the next 24 hours

door and sit there for the next 24 hours and you’ll have an idea what that feels

and you’ll have an idea what that feels

and you’ll have an idea what that feels like

like

like maybe it’s it’s a harsh place to be it’s

maybe it’s it’s a harsh place to be it’s

maybe it’s it’s a harsh place to be it’s a harsh place to live the inmates are

a harsh place to live the inmates are

a harsh place to live the inmates are not able to interact with other inmates

not able to interact with other inmates

not able to interact with other inmates and they’re not interacting with other

and they’re not interacting with other

and they’re not interacting with other human beings there comes a point when

human beings there comes a point when

human beings there comes a point when people have all this stress on them

people have all this stress on them

people have all this stress on them they’re living in this high-security

they’re living in this high-security

they’re living in this high-security area they’re in jail and they’re dealing

area they’re in jail and they’re dealing

area they’re in jail and they’re dealing with just a predicament the emotional

with just a predicament the emotional

with just a predicament the emotional predicament of being in jail and they

predicament of being in jail and they

predicament of being in jail and they don’t have any control of their lives

don’t have any control of their lives

don’t have any control of their lives and they want to exhibit some control

and they want to exhibit some control

and they want to exhibit some control over their lives so way they do it is

over their lives so way they do it is

over their lives so way they do it is they might tell staff I’m not gonna do

they might tell staff I’m not gonna do

they might tell staff I’m not gonna do what you asked me to do the deputy may

what you asked me to do the deputy may

what you asked me to do the deputy may say I need you to lock down and usually

say I need you to lock down and usually

say I need you to lock down and usually go in your room and close the door not

go in your room and close the door not

go in your room and close the door not today I’m not gonna lock down I’m not

today I’m not gonna lock down I’m not

today I’m not gonna lock down I’m not gonna do what you say I know that I’m

gonna do what you say I know that I’m

gonna do what you say I know that I’m not gonna have a positive outcome but

not gonna have a positive outcome but

not gonna have a positive outcome but for the next few minutes I’m in control

for the next few minutes I’m in control

for the next few minutes I’m in control of my world

of my world

of my world in control of my life and they say no

in control of my life and they say no

in control of my life and they say no not today and how do we respond in law

not today and how do we respond in law

not today and how do we respond in law enforcement we respond with force we get

enforcement we respond with force we get

enforcement we respond with force we get a team together they’re dressed in black

a team together they’re dressed in black

a team together they’re dressed in black they have equipment they have helmets on

they have equipment they have helmets on

they have equipment they have helmets on they have shields and they go up the

they have shields and they go up the

they have shields and they go up the stairs our high security and our jail

stairs our high security and our jail

stairs our high security and our jail was called to north north side of the

was called to north north side of the

was called to north north side of the building second floor they take the

building second floor they take the

building second floor they take the stairs up they enter the pod they

stairs up they enter the pod they

stairs up they enter the pod they confront the end mate five deputies

confront the end mate five deputies

confront the end mate five deputies looking at the end mate they’re giving

looking at the end mate they’re giving

looking at the end mate they’re giving me a me instructions going that room and

me a me instructions going that room and

me a me instructions going that room and lockdown and they follow it up by one

lockdown and they follow it up by one

lockdown and they follow it up by one sentence they say if you don’t force

sentence they say if you don’t force

sentence they say if you don’t force will be used against you and maybe on

will be used against you and maybe on

will be used against you and maybe on this day the inmates just had enough and

this day the inmates just had enough and

this day the inmates just had enough and he says do your worst

he says do your worst

he says do your worst and you have 500 pounds of deputy

and you have 500 pounds of deputy

and you have 500 pounds of deputy slamming into this inmate pinning him to

slamming into this inmate pinning him to

slamming into this inmate pinning him to the wall paying him to the ground

the wall paying him to the ground

the wall paying him to the ground putting him in restraints taking him out

putting him in restraints taking him out

putting him in restraints taking him out to another part of the jail or maybe

to another part of the jail or maybe

to another part of the jail or maybe even putting him in a restraints here

even putting him in a restraints here

even putting him in a restraints here and I can remember after one of these

and I can remember after one of these

and I can remember after one of these situations talking to an inmate and

situations talking to an inmate and

situations talking to an inmate and booking who’d been removed extracted

booking who’d been removed extracted

booking who’d been removed extracted from this pod and he looked at me he

from this pod and he looked at me he

from this pod and he looked at me he said I my life is just over I just don’t

said I my life is just over I just don’t

said I my life is just over I just don’t my life is over I got nothing because to

my life is over I got nothing because to

my life is over I got nothing because to him

him

him all his trips to jail the the

all his trips to jail the the

all his trips to jail the the environmental conditions of living in

environmental conditions of living in

environmental conditions of living in this high-security pod and emotional

this high-security pod and emotional

this high-security pod and emotional things that he was going through by

things that he was going through by

things that he was going through by being in jail it was just too much and

being in jail it was just too much and

being in jail it was just too much and he couldn’t see a light at the end of

he couldn’t see a light at the end of

he couldn’t see a light at the end of the tunnel

our area our high-security area is

our area our high-security area is called – North as I said and we were

called – North as I said and we were

called – North as I said and we were having problems in this area and when we

having problems in this area and when we

having problems in this area and when we as we had problems and the problems look

as we had problems and the problems look

as we had problems and the problems look like

like

like disturbances inmates would flood their

disturbances inmates would flood their

disturbances inmates would flood their rooms or they’d bang on the door they

rooms or they’d bang on the door they

rooms or they’d bang on the door they refused to lock down and the problems

refused to lock down and the problems

refused to lock down and the problems were getting worse and worse and this

were getting worse and worse and this

were getting worse and worse and this was in 2012 and I was called in one day

was in 2012 and I was called in one day

was in 2012 and I was called in one day at at one day one night at two o’clock

at at one day one night at two o’clock

at at one day one night at two o’clock in the morning as a operations

in the morning as a operations

in the morning as a operations lieutenant to deal with the disturbance

lieutenant to deal with the disturbance

lieutenant to deal with the disturbance and I get to the pod and there’s two

and I get to the pod and there’s two

and I get to the pod and there’s two inches of water in the pod there are

inches of water in the pod there are

inches of water in the pod there are things that I can’t identify floating

things that I can’t identify floating

things that I can’t identify floating around in the water there are inmates

around in the water there are inmates

around in the water there are inmates yelling and screaming it

yelling and screaming it

yelling and screaming it just feels out of control and I just

just feels out of control and I just

just feels out of control and I just think to myself we just can’t live like

think to myself we just can’t live like

think to myself we just can’t live like this

this

this we just can’t continue like this because

we just can’t continue like this because

we just can’t continue like this because in the past all we did in response to

in the past all we did in response to

in the past all we did in response to this is we just were more strict we’ve

this is we just were more strict we’ve

this is we just were more strict we’ve we got bigger sticks no more time out of

we got bigger sticks no more time out of

we got bigger sticks no more time out of your room no more this no more that

your room no more this no more that

your room no more this no more that that’s how we responded to right so we

that’s how we responded to right so we

that’s how we responded to right so we just can’t do that anymore

just can’t do that anymore

just can’t do that anymore when I was asked what we’re going to do

when I was asked what we’re going to do

when I was asked what we’re going to do I remember what my father always when he

I remember what my father always when he

I remember what my father always when he said rather than why rather than curse

said rather than why rather than curse

said rather than why rather than curse the darkness light a candle so I started

the darkness light a candle so I started

the darkness light a candle so I started looking at the plot differently I went

looking at the plot differently I went

looking at the plot differently I went into the pod one of my staffs brought up

into the pod one of my staffs brought up

into the pod one of my staffs brought up to me said you know the TVs are too

to me said you know the TVs are too

to me said you know the TVs are too small there there’s 60 inch TVs and

small there there’s 60 inch TVs and

small there there’s 60 inch TVs and they’re they’re covered in plexiglass

they’re they’re covered in plexiglass

they’re they’re covered in plexiglass and they’re hard to see and they’re hard

and they’re hard to see and they’re hard

and they’re hard to see and they’re hard to see it’s something you would see in

to see it’s something you would see in

to see it’s something you would see in like a 1980s prison movie it’s just

like a 1980s prison movie it’s just

like a 1980s prison movie it’s just really in the the screen would roll it

really in the the screen would roll it

really in the the screen would roll it was ridiculous I said we’re gonna get

was ridiculous I said we’re gonna get

was ridiculous I said we’re gonna get widescreen TVs flat-screen TVs and my

widescreen TVs flat-screen TVs and my

widescreen TVs flat-screen TVs and my staff thought I lost my mind you know

staff thought I lost my mind you know

staff thought I lost my mind you know you’re you’re coddling inmates you can’t

you’re you’re coddling inmates you can’t

you’re you’re coddling inmates you can’t give them flatscreen no flat-screen TVs

give them flatscreen no flat-screen TVs

give them flatscreen no flat-screen TVs it’s in the Constitution well here’s a

it’s in the Constitution well here’s a

it’s in the Constitution well here’s a newsflash go find the 60-inch box TV

newsflash go find the 60-inch box TV

newsflash go find the 60-inch box TV okay good luck so we got flat-screen TVs

okay good luck so we got flat-screen TVs

okay good luck so we got flat-screen TVs that they could actually see we put

that they could actually see we put

that they could actually see we put those in the pods and then we got ear

those in the pods and then we got ear

those in the pods and then we got ear but and I gave him radium’s

but and I gave him radium’s

but and I gave him radium’s so that they had something to listen to

so that they had something to listen to

so that they had something to listen to they could listen to music and when they

they could listen to music and when they

they could listen to music and when they were in their rooms locked down they

were in their rooms locked down they

were in their rooms locked down they could listen to the TV on this radio

could listen to the TV on this radio

could listen to the TV on this radio they had a distraction not a big deal

they had a distraction not a big deal

they had a distraction not a big deal but it was a distraction from what their

but it was a distraction from what their

but it was a distraction from what their world was their emotional world was in

world was their emotional world was in

world was their emotional world was in their physical world was and then I

their physical world was and then I

their physical world was and then I asked my staff I said I want you to

asked my staff I said I want you to

asked my staff I said I want you to start having conversations with the

start having conversations with the

start having conversations with the inmates and this is what a conversation

inmates and this is what a conversation

inmates and this is what a conversation looks like at the end of your shift I

looks like at the end of your shift I

looks like at the end of your shift I want you to give each of these inmates a

want you to give each of these inmates a

want you to give each of these inmates a report card I want you to tell them you

report card I want you to tell them you

report card I want you to tell them you had a good day and why because we don’t

had a good day and why because we don’t

had a good day and why because we don’t tell people they had a good day in jail

tell people they had a good day in jail

tell people they had a good day in jail we never go up say you had a great day

we never go up say you had a great day

we never go up say you had a great day in jail

in jail

in jail but I want you to tell him they had a

but I want you to tell him they had a

but I want you to tell him they had a good day and this is why or if they had

good day and this is why or if they had

good day and this is why or if they had a bad day I want you to tell them to

a bad day I want you to tell them to

a bad day I want you to tell them to their face you had a bad day in jail and

their face you had a bad day in jail and

their face you had a bad day in jail and this is why you had a bad day because in

this is why you had a bad day because in

this is why you had a bad day because in the past what we did when they asked how

the past what we did when they asked how

the past what we did when they asked how to get out of their predicament how to

to get out of their predicament how to

to get out of their predicament how to change their stairs how to get out of

change their stairs how to get out of

change their stairs how to get out of the area as we did this song and dance

the area as we did this song and dance

the area as we did this song and dance in front of their door we said we’re

in front of their door we said we’re

in front of their door we said we’re gonna write down some information on

gonna write down some information on

gonna write down some information on your behavior and we’re gonna pass this

your behavior and we’re gonna pass this

your behavior and we’re gonna pass this on to the classification board and

on to the classification board and

on to the classification board and they’re gonna look at it and they’re

they’re gonna look at it and they’re

they’re gonna look at it and they’re gonna run it through some matrix and

gonna run it through some matrix and

gonna run it through some matrix and they’re gonna make a decision then we

they’re gonna make a decision then we

they’re gonna make a decision then we weren’t telling them anything we were

weren’t telling them anything we were

weren’t telling them anything we were just doing this stupid song and dance in

just doing this stupid song and dance in

just doing this stupid song and dance in front of their doors and they were

front of their doors and they were

front of their doors and they were frustrated and they should have been

frustrated and they should have been

frustrated and they should have been frustrated but now they knew if they had

frustrated but now they knew if they had

frustrated but now they knew if they had three bad days or more there says wasn’t

three bad days or more there says wasn’t

three bad days or more there says wasn’t gonna change everyone knew that they

gonna change everyone knew that they

gonna change everyone knew that they knew that we knew that everyone you did

knew that we knew that everyone you did

knew that we knew that everyone you did they had lesson that their status was

they had lesson that their status was

they had lesson that their status was gonna change it was transparent we had a

gonna change it was transparent we had a

gonna change it was transparent we had a rule that said only two inmates could be

rule that said only two inmates could be

rule that said only two inmates could be out at one time and this was in response

out at one time and this was in response

out at one time and this was in response to a riot that occurred a decade before

to a riot that occurred a decade before

to a riot that occurred a decade before it was a security measure to limit the

it was a security measure to limit the

it was a security measure to limit the amount of people that were out but the

amount of people that were out but the

amount of people that were out but the problem was with only two people out at

problem was with only two people out at

problem was with only two people out at a time even if your status has changed

a time even if your status has changed

a time even if your status has changed and you had more privileges you couldn’t

and you had more privileges you couldn’t

and you had more privileges you couldn’t exercise your privileges because we you

exercise your privileges because we you

exercise your privileges because we you could only let two people I don’t want

could only let two people I don’t want

could only let two people I don’t want so I said we’re going to have four

so I said we’re going to have four

so I said we’re going to have four people out again and what have my staff

people out again and what have my staff

people out again and what have my staff said you can’t do this you’re coddling

said you can’t do this you’re coddling

said you can’t do this you’re coddling inmates this is this is wrong you can’t

inmates this is this is wrong you can’t

inmates this is this is wrong you can’t do this we’re gonna have a security

do this we’re gonna have a security

do this we’re gonna have a security incident were gonna have a disturbance

incident were gonna have a disturbance

incident were gonna have a disturbance we’re gonna have a riot

we’re gonna have a riot

we’re gonna have a riot what we had was better behavior because

what we had was better behavior because

what we had was better behavior because as corny as it sounds people really do

as corny as it sounds people really do

as corny as it sounds people really do need people they need to be around other

need people they need to be around other

need people they need to be around other people they need to talk to other people

people they need to talk to other people

people they need to talk to other people they need to interact with other people

they need to interact with other people

they need to interact with other people you can’t live in a box you can’t live

you can’t live in a box you can’t live

you can’t live in a box you can’t live in a box so in a year’s time we went

in a box so in a year’s time we went

in a box so in a year’s time we went from running up and down those stairs

from running up and down those stairs

from running up and down those stairs with a response team 15 times to the

with a response team 15 times to the

with a response team 15 times to the following year and five times

following year and five times

following year and five times we went from spending $50,000 a year in

we went from spending $50,000 a year in

we went from spending $50,000 a year in in money for response teams and

in money for response teams and

in money for response teams and equipments and bigger steps and workers

equipments and bigger steps and workers

equipments and bigger steps and workers compensation injuries than in damage to

compensation injuries than in damage to

compensation injuries than in damage to spending $5,000 a year did we change the

spending $5,000 a year did we change the

spending $5,000 a year did we change the way we manage inmates yeah we did I

way we manage inmates yeah we did I

way we manage inmates yeah we did I think we really did change the way that

think we really did change the way that

think we really did change the way that we manage inmates it did we change the

we manage inmates it did we change the

we manage inmates it did we change the inmates behavior well certainly in the

inmates behavior well certainly in the

inmates behavior well certainly in the short term we did change the inmates

short term we did change the inmates

short term we did change the inmates behavior because we got better behavior

behavior because we got better behavior

behavior because we got better behavior people had previously been in this area

people had previously been in this area

people had previously been in this area for 60 and 70 80 and a hundred days were

for 60 and 70 80 and a hundred days were

for 60 and 70 80 and a hundred days were out in 20 days or 25 days since those

out in 20 days or 25 days since those

out in 20 days or 25 days since those long periods of time but the most

long periods of time but the most

long periods of time but the most important takeaway for us at least for

important takeaway for us at least for

important takeaway for us at least for me was the change was in us we changed

me was the change was in us we changed

me was the change was in us we changed the way that we dealt with other human

the way that we dealt with other human

the way that we dealt with other human beings we changed the way that we

beings we changed the way that we

beings we changed the way that we interacted with other human beings we

interacted with other human beings we

interacted with other human beings we did something that was not an industry

did something that was not an industry

did something that was not an industry standard we went the other direction 180

standard we went the other direction 180

standard we went the other direction 180 degrees and these little change in this

degrees and these little change in this

degrees and these little change in this communication with these other human

communication with these other human

communication with these other human beings we were able to see huge effects

beings we were able to see huge effects

beings we were able to see huge effects in this area deputies who normally

in this area deputies who normally

in this area deputies who normally didn’t want to work in this area all of

didn’t want to work in this area all of

didn’t want to work in this area all of a sudden they wanted to work in this

a sudden they wanted to work in this

a sudden they wanted to work in this area it became a choice area to work in

area it became a choice area to work in

area it became a choice area to work in thank you

thank you

thank you [Applause]

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