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Stop Terrorist Recruiting: What You Can Do | Gwen Griffith-Dickson | TEDxHeythropCollege


you can prevent a terrorist attack I

you can prevent a terrorist attack I have and I know if you look at me and if

have and I know if you look at me and if

have and I know if you look at me and if you know I’m professor and if something

you know I’m professor and if something

you know I’m professor and if something useless like theology or philosophy that

useless like theology or philosophy that

useless like theology or philosophy that doesn’t seem very believable but my

doesn’t seem very believable but my

doesn’t seem very believable but my colleagues and I prevented a suicide

colleagues and I prevented a suicide

colleagues and I prevented a suicide bombing that was going to happen in that

bombing that was going to happen in that

bombing that was going to happen in that big shopping center in Bristol so

big shopping center in Bristol so

big shopping center in Bristol so whatever your background you can prevent

whatever your background you can prevent

whatever your background you can prevent a terrorist attack doesn’t matter if

a terrorist attack doesn’t matter if

a terrorist attack doesn’t matter if you’re Muslim or non-muslim or what

you’re Muslim or non-muslim or what

you’re Muslim or non-muslim or what background in fact so far the biggest

background in fact so far the biggest

background in fact so far the biggest haul of explosive and weapons amassed to

haul of explosive and weapons amassed to

haul of explosive and weapons amassed to commit a terrorist attack in this

commit a terrorist attack in this

commit a terrorist attack in this country with a mast by a Christian it

country with a mast by a Christian it

country with a mast by a Christian it was a regular attender of his Anglican

was a regular attender of his Anglican

was a regular attender of his Anglican Church intending to kill as many Muslims

Church intending to kill as many Muslims

Church intending to kill as many Muslims as possible it doesn’t matter if you’re

as possible it doesn’t matter if you’re

as possible it doesn’t matter if you’re not a police officer

not a police officer

not a police officer remember the security services or in

remember the security services or in

remember the security services or in government in fact if there’s one thing

government in fact if there’s one thing

government in fact if there’s one thing that I’ve learned over the last ten

that I’ve learned over the last ten

that I’ve learned over the last ten years of working in this area is we

years of working in this area is we

years of working in this area is we cannot leave this to governments we

cannot leave this to governments we

cannot leave this to governments we cannot entrust them with preventing the

cannot entrust them with preventing the

cannot entrust them with preventing the recruitment of people to violent groups

recruitment of people to violent groups

recruitment of people to violent groups in fact there are particular reasons why

in fact there are particular reasons why

in fact there are particular reasons why you are more effective at preventing

you are more effective at preventing

you are more effective at preventing terrorist recruitment of any kind than

terrorist recruitment of any kind than

terrorist recruitment of any kind than mi5 or the security services in your

mi5 or the security services in your

mi5 or the security services in your country but you do need a strategy and

country but you do need a strategy and

country but you do need a strategy and while that might sound boring there was

while that might sound boring there was

while that might sound boring there was a wonderful saying from the podium which

a wonderful saying from the podium which

a wonderful saying from the podium which was you might not be interested in

was you might not be interested in

was you might not be interested in strategy that strategy is interested in

strategy that strategy is interested in

strategy that strategy is interested in you this is called the management of

you this is called the management of

you this is called the management of savagery

savagery

savagery and it came out in 2004 and it was the

and it came out in 2004 and it was the

and it came out in 2004 and it was the manual so to speak the strategy that the

manual so to speak the strategy that the

manual so to speak the strategy that the so-called Islamic state Isis was going

so-called Islamic state Isis was going

so-called Islamic state Isis was going to use so here are a few points of their

to use so here are a few points of their

to use so here are a few points of their strategy as foretold in this manual

strategy as foretold in this manual

strategy as foretold in this manual first of all they want

first of all they want

first of all they want draw the West into a deeper military

draw the West into a deeper military

draw the West into a deeper military conflict they’re not trying to avoid the

conflict they’re not trying to avoid the

conflict they’re not trying to avoid the bombing quite the opposite they want to

bombing quite the opposite they want to

bombing quite the opposite they want to suck other countries into Middle Eastern

suck other countries into Middle Eastern

suck other countries into Middle Eastern war so that we pour out our blood and

war so that we pour out our blood and

war so that we pour out our blood and pour out our money into this war

secondly another point they make is they

secondly another point they make is they want people to go for soft targets what

want people to go for soft targets what

want people to go for soft targets what that means is us not soldiers or

that means is us not soldiers or

that means is us not soldiers or assassinating presidents they want to go

assassinating presidents they want to go

assassinating presidents they want to go for ordinary people like us ordinary

for ordinary people like us ordinary

for ordinary people like us ordinary civilians first of all because they

civilians first of all because they

civilians first of all because they actually want us to drive our societies

actually want us to drive our societies

actually want us to drive our societies into a police state or a security state

into a police state or a security state

into a police state or a security state so life becomes more and more

so life becomes more and more

so life becomes more and more intolerable for us with the Muslims that

intolerable for us with the Muslims that

intolerable for us with the Muslims that live in those countries and so that so

live in those countries and so that so

live in those countries and so that so much of our energy and resources get

much of our energy and resources get

much of our energy and resources get wrapped up in fighting them second

wrapped up in fighting them second

wrapped up in fighting them second reason though that they want to go for

reason though that they want to go for

reason though that they want to go for soft targets because their key message

soft targets because their key message

soft targets because their key message is the persecution of all Muslims by

is the persecution of all Muslims by

is the persecution of all Muslims by non-muslims you want to turn non-muslims

non-muslims you want to turn non-muslims

non-muslims you want to turn non-muslims against Muslims in outrage over the

against Muslims in outrage over the

against Muslims in outrage over the attacks just as they’re trying to turn

attacks just as they’re trying to turn

attacks just as they’re trying to turn rusyns against non-muslims and they want

rusyns against non-muslims and they want

rusyns against non-muslims and they want to persuade Muslims in other countries

to persuade Muslims in other countries

to persuade Muslims in other countries that they cannot live there that it’s

that they cannot live there that it’s

that they cannot live there that it’s impossible to live out your life and

impossible to live out your life and

impossible to live out your life and your faith in the country where you are

your faith in the country where you are

your faith in the country where you are because the hostility of other people

because the hostility of other people

because the hostility of other people towards you your faith how you express

towards you your faith how you express

towards you your faith how you express it how you dress and another point of

it how you dress and another point of

it how you dress and another point of theirs is the kill offer or the

theirs is the kill offer or the

theirs is the kill offer or the Caliphate because they want you to leave

Caliphate because they want you to leave

Caliphate because they want you to leave that country where you are and emigrate

that country where you are and emigrate

that country where you are and emigrate to what they claim is the Islamic state

to what they claim is the Islamic state

to what they claim is the Islamic state they’ve created and they claim is an

they’ve created and they claim is an

they’ve created and they claim is an obligation on all Muslims to come and

obligation on all Muslims to come and

obligation on all Muslims to come and migrate and build that state so those

migrate and build that state so those

migrate and build that state so those are some features of their strategy now

are some features of their strategy now

are some features of their strategy now a lot of people will say the problem is

a lot of people will say the problem is

a lot of people will say the problem is the ideology problem is the ideology

the ideology problem is the ideology

the ideology problem is the ideology it’s not foreign policy it’s not poverty

it’s not foreign policy it’s not poverty

it’s not foreign policy it’s not poverty it’s not the alienation or the

it’s not the alienation or the

it’s not the alienation or the Islamophobia that people experience it’s

Islamophobia that people experience it’s

Islamophobia that people experience it’s all about the ideology we have to

all about the ideology we have to

all about the ideology we have to eradicate the ideology I think that’s

eradicate the ideology I think that’s

eradicate the ideology I think that’s not very helpful

not very helpful

not very helpful why it’s a bit like asking why has it

why it’s a bit like asking why has it

why it’s a bit like asking why has it been arise in teenage pregnancy say and

been arise in teenage pregnancy say and

been arise in teenage pregnancy say and if someone tells you the explanation for

if someone tells you the explanation for

if someone tells you the explanation for the rise in teenage pregnancies is

the rise in teenage pregnancies is

the rise in teenage pregnancies is because more and more teenagers are

because more and more teenagers are

because more and more teenagers are having unprotected sex well obviously

having unprotected sex well obviously

having unprotected sex well obviously they are what we want to know is why

they are what we want to know is why

they are what we want to know is why what we want to know is why some people

what we want to know is why some people

what we want to know is why some people are susceptible to this ideology and

are susceptible to this ideology and

are susceptible to this ideology and some people totally not now

some people totally not now

some people totally not now unfortunately for those people that want

unfortunately for those people that want

unfortunately for those people that want quick and easy answers and quick and

quick and easy answers and quick and

quick and easy answers and quick and easy solutions and they don’t want to

easy solutions and they don’t want to

easy solutions and they don’t want to spend too much time thinking about it

spend too much time thinking about it

spend too much time thinking about it there are none academics of course and

there are none academics of course and

there are none academics of course and others have put forward lots of

others have put forward lots of

others have put forward lots of different reasons and all of them seem

different reasons and all of them seem

different reasons and all of them seem kind of plausible but they don’t apply

kind of plausible but they don’t apply

kind of plausible but they don’t apply to different cases and in the end the

to different cases and in the end the

to different cases and in the end the British security service or mi5 s

British security service or mi5 s

British security service or mi5 s concluded there is no one profile there

concluded there is no one profile there

concluded there is no one profile there is no one pattern there’s no one type of

is no one pattern there’s no one type of

is no one pattern there’s no one type of person who becomes a terrorist either

person who becomes a terrorist either

person who becomes a terrorist either the far-right racist variety or of

the far-right racist variety or of

the far-right racist variety or of al-qaeda inspired or isis types there’s

al-qaeda inspired or isis types there’s

al-qaeda inspired or isis types there’s no one time but i’ve learned that there

no one time but i’ve learned that there

no one time but i’ve learned that there are common themes whether you’re talking

are common themes whether you’re talking

are common themes whether you’re talking about a bedroom online fantasized

about a bedroom online fantasized

about a bedroom online fantasized warrior or whether you’re talking about

warrior or whether you’re talking about

warrior or whether you’re talking about someone who’s already very alienated

someone who’s already very alienated

someone who’s already very alienated already engaging in criminal activities

already engaging in criminal activities

already engaging in criminal activities not at all religious but then finds a

not at all religious but then finds a

not at all religious but then finds a cause and joins a violent group all of

cause and joins a violent group all of

cause and joins a violent group all of them have something in common and that

them have something in common and that

them have something in common and that is that for whatever reason isis or

is that for whatever reason isis or

is that for whatever reason isis or whatever groups targeting them it’s

whatever groups targeting them it’s

whatever groups targeting them it’s meeting a need that hasn’t been met in

meeting a need that hasn’t been met in

meeting a need that hasn’t been met in their lives in some more healthy way

their lives in some more healthy way

their lives in some more healthy way it’s meeting a need now we all have core

it’s meeting a need now we all have core

it’s meeting a need now we all have core needs that go beyond air food water

needs that go beyond air food water

needs that go beyond air food water shelter we have psychological needs or a

shelter we have psychological needs or a

shelter we have psychological needs or a sense of belonging or acceptance for

sense of belonging or acceptance for

sense of belonging or acceptance for bonding with others we also have I

bonding with others we also have I

bonding with others we also have I believe higher needs for a sense of

believe higher needs for a sense of

believe higher needs for a sense of meaning you need to have an impact on

meaning you need to have an impact on

meaning you need to have an impact on the

the

the world to be able to make a difference we

world to be able to make a difference we

world to be able to make a difference we also have a need to belong to something

also have a need to belong to something

also have a need to belong to something greater than ourselves with a great

greater than ourselves with a great

greater than ourselves with a great mission and a great purpose those are

mission and a great purpose those are

mission and a great purpose those are higher needs that are not so easily met

higher needs that are not so easily met

higher needs that are not so easily met in our society of course we also have

in our society of course we also have

in our society of course we also have desires that we can live without but are

desires that we can live without but are

desires that we can live without but are very very compelling for us so we might

very very compelling for us so we might

very very compelling for us so we might have a need to belong and that’s what we

have a need to belong and that’s what we

have a need to belong and that’s what we need in order to be mentally healthy who

need in order to be mentally healthy who

need in order to be mentally healthy who have a desire that the group or the

have a desire that the group or the

have a desire that the group or the identity that we belong with is

identity that we belong with is

identity that we belong with is fantastic it’s brilliant it’s better

fantastic it’s brilliant it’s better

fantastic it’s brilliant it’s better than others it’s got the right answers

than others it’s got the right answers

than others it’s got the right answers so we have further desires and people

so we have further desires and people

so we have further desires and people can tap into those desires it can be so

can tap into those desires it can be so

can tap into those desires it can be so compelling as to be almost addictive but

compelling as to be almost addictive but

compelling as to be almost addictive but also a third thing that we also crave a

also a third thing that we also crave a

also a third thing that we also crave a portrait of ourselves an image of

portrait of ourselves an image of

portrait of ourselves an image of ourselves that we find appealing and

ourselves that we find appealing and

ourselves that we find appealing and satisfying or impressive and if you can

satisfying or impressive and if you can

satisfying or impressive and if you can dangle that in front of somebody and say

dangle that in front of somebody and say

dangle that in front of somebody and say here’s who you are here’s who you can be

here’s who you are here’s who you can be

here’s who you are here’s who you can be if you come with us that is about the

if you come with us that is about the

if you come with us that is about the most seductive message that you can hear

most seductive message that you can hear

most seductive message that you can hear we all have our fantasies but our

we all have our fantasies but our

we all have our fantasies but our fantasies especially about ourselves can

fantasies especially about ourselves can

fantasies especially about ourselves can be a great source of vulnerability it

be a great source of vulnerability it

be a great source of vulnerability it can make us very Mull nerble to

can make us very Mull nerble to

can make us very Mull nerble to manipulation by anyone who can read that

manipulation by anyone who can read that

manipulation by anyone who can read that fantasy so if you’re some fantasy is

fantasy so if you’re some fantasy is

fantasy so if you’re some fantasy is about glory about power about violence

about glory about power about violence

about glory about power about violence about being a great warrior or a soldier

about being a great warrior or a soldier

about being a great warrior or a soldier about achieving the sort of a steam and

about achieving the sort of a steam and

about achieving the sort of a steam and aberration of others a lot of people are

aberration of others a lot of people are

aberration of others a lot of people are really bewilder if we look at isis in

really bewilder if we look at isis in

really bewilder if we look at isis in particular it’s been so spectacularly

particular it’s been so spectacularly

particular it’s been so spectacularly successful and recruiting from unlikely

successful and recruiting from unlikely

successful and recruiting from unlikely sources they’re bewildered by why happy

sources they’re bewildered by why happy

sources they’re bewildered by why happy well-adjusted successful intelligent

well-adjusted successful intelligent

well-adjusted successful intelligent teenagers for example girls and women at

teenagers for example girls and women at

teenagers for example girls and women at fallen prey or been vulnerable to

fallen prey or been vulnerable to

fallen prey or been vulnerable to recruitment by this group and here’s one

recruitment by this group and here’s one

recruitment by this group and here’s one thing to think about

thing to think about

thing to think about this particular generation of teenagers

this particular generation of teenagers

this particular generation of teenagers of young Muslims ones who have grown up

of young Muslims ones who have grown up

of young Muslims ones who have grown up in the shadow of those falling towers on

in the shadow of those falling towers on

in the shadow of those falling towers on 9/11 and 7/7 this is the generation that

9/11 and 7/7 this is the generation that

9/11 and 7/7 this is the generation that has grown up in the wake of the

has grown up in the wake of the

has grown up in the wake of the terrorist attacks and the war on terror

terrorist attacks and the war on terror

terrorist attacks and the war on terror and while those attacks are horrific and

and while those attacks are horrific and

and while those attacks are horrific and evil we also need to recognize the

evil we also need to recognize the

evil we also need to recognize the damage that they’ve done to Muslims

damage that they’ve done to Muslims

damage that they’ve done to Muslims themselves who were not responsible

themselves who were not responsible

themselves who were not responsible we’re not involved and don’t sympathize

we’re not involved and don’t sympathize

we’re not involved and don’t sympathize those attacks not just 9/11 but nine

those attacks not just 9/11 but nine

those attacks not just 9/11 but nine twelve the impact on these people if you

twelve the impact on these people if you

twelve the impact on these people if you stop and consider if you’re not Muslim

stop and consider if you’re not Muslim

stop and consider if you’re not Muslim consider what it must be like to have

consider what it must be like to have

consider what it must be like to have spent your life growing up being told

spent your life growing up being told

spent your life growing up being told that you are a threat and whatever

that you are a threat and whatever

that you are a threat and whatever support you’ve had from others from your

support you’ve had from others from your

support you’ve had from others from your parents from a small circle the wider

parents from a small circle the wider

parents from a small circle the wider society it’s full of so many negative

society it’s full of so many negative

society it’s full of so many negative images about your being and your

images about your being and your

images about your being and your identity have you ever gone online and

identity have you ever gone online and

identity have you ever gone online and read the comments at the bottom of

read the comments at the bottom of

read the comments at the bottom of articles any article to do with Muslims

articles any article to do with Muslims

articles any article to do with Muslims or security situations or terrorism even

or security situations or terrorism even

or security situations or terrorism even in mainstream papers like The Guardian

in mainstream papers like The Guardian

in mainstream papers like The Guardian or the Washington Post online some of

or the Washington Post online some of

or the Washington Post online some of the comments are horrific vicious and

the comments are horrific vicious and

the comments are horrific vicious and these are the ones that make it past the

these are the ones that make it past the

these are the ones that make it past the moderators and worse they often go

moderators and worse they often go

moderators and worse they often go beyond just talking about specific

beyond just talking about specific

beyond just talking about specific terrorists and you will find comments

terrorists and you will find comments

terrorists and you will find comments about all Muslims

about all Muslims

about all Muslims I like this deluded violent or danger or

I like this deluded violent or danger or

I like this deluded violent or danger or a threat really vicious comments now if

a threat really vicious comments now if

a threat really vicious comments now if those were about an individual you would

those were about an individual you would

those were about an individual you would recognize it that’s terrible bullying

recognize it that’s terrible bullying

recognize it that’s terrible bullying and we know that online bullying has

and we know that online bullying has

and we know that online bullying has made some people take their lives if

made some people take their lives if

made some people take their lives if they’re young and very affected by it

they’re young and very affected by it

they’re young and very affected by it the fact that is talking about a group

the fact that is talking about a group

the fact that is talking about a group and doesn’t name you does not make a

and doesn’t name you does not make a

and doesn’t name you does not make a difference it’s still about you Isis

difference it’s still about you Isis

difference it’s still about you Isis in contrast when it’s reaching out to

in contrast when it’s reaching out to

in contrast when it’s reaching out to young people it is full of positive

young people it is full of positive

young people it is full of positive messages about them

messages about them

messages about them it values them it takes them seriously

it values them it takes them seriously

it values them it takes them seriously it addresses their concerns it

it addresses their concerns it

it addresses their concerns it positively love bombs them when they

positively love bombs them when they

positively love bombs them when they engage with someone through online media

engage with someone through online media

engage with someone through online media they have a whole suite of volunteers

they have a whole suite of volunteers

they have a whole suite of volunteers doing this when they engage with someone

doing this when they engage with someone

doing this when they engage with someone they can spend literally hundreds of

they can spend literally hundreds of

they can spend literally hundreds of hours of one-to-one contact responding

hours of one-to-one contact responding

hours of one-to-one contact responding to questions responding to the

to questions responding to the

to questions responding to the challenges or reservations that people

challenges or reservations that people

challenges or reservations that people make they also like to show their soft

make they also like to show their soft

make they also like to show their soft side it was a whole Twitter account

side it was a whole Twitter account

side it was a whole Twitter account about cats in the Islamic state which

about cats in the Islamic state which

about cats in the Islamic state which was taken down and this picture this

was taken down and this picture this

was taken down and this picture this poor little kitten was rescued from

poor little kitten was rescued from

poor little kitten was rescued from bombed out ruins by this wonderful man

bombed out ruins by this wonderful man

bombed out ruins by this wonderful man is so manly and so caring

is so manly and so caring

is so manly and so caring recruiters know something that

recruiters know something that

recruiters know something that salespeople know and I suspect a few

salespeople know and I suspect a few

salespeople know and I suspect a few politicians know it as well if you can

politicians know it as well if you can

politicians know it as well if you can articulate the truths about someone’s

articulate the truths about someone’s

articulate the truths about someone’s existence and get it right you’ve got

existence and get it right you’ve got

existence and get it right you’ve got them hooked if you can describe

them hooked if you can describe

them hooked if you can describe something about their life and you’ve

something about their life and you’ve

something about their life and you’ve hit the nail on the head you’ve suddenly

hit the nail on the head you’ve suddenly

hit the nail on the head you’ve suddenly gained in credibility the one thing that

gained in credibility the one thing that

gained in credibility the one thing that they’ve talked about that you know about

they’ve talked about that you know about

they’ve talked about that you know about they were right it was true so when they

they were right it was true so when they

they were right it was true so when they go on to talk about other things you’re

go on to talk about other things you’re

go on to talk about other things you’re not so sure on you begin to give them

not so sure on you begin to give them

not so sure on you begin to give them the benefit of the doubt and so if Isis

the benefit of the doubt and so if Isis

the benefit of the doubt and so if Isis recruiters talk about the aggression in

recruiters talk about the aggression in

recruiters talk about the aggression in the hatred that they face as Muslims in

the hatred that they face as Muslims in

the hatred that they face as Muslims in a non Muslim majority country and that

a non Muslim majority country and that

a non Muslim majority country and that is their experience than they are

is their experience than they are

is their experience than they are credible what this means is that if our

credible what this means is that if our

credible what this means is that if our societies are full of antagonism or full

societies are full of antagonism or full

societies are full of antagonism or full of bullying or full of misrepresentation

of bullying or full of misrepresentation

of bullying or full of misrepresentation terrorists recruiters are credible the

terrorists recruiters are credible the

terrorists recruiters are credible the same thing can be said for racist native

same thing can be said for racist native

same thing can be said for racist native it’s supremacist groups what that means

it’s supremacist groups what that means

it’s supremacist groups what that means therefore is that we have the power

therefore is that we have the power

therefore is that we have the power to make terrorist messaging true or

to make terrorist messaging true or

to make terrorist messaging true or false so what should that mean for your

false so what should that mean for your

false so what should that mean for your for our counterterrorism strategy our

for our counterterrorism strategy our

for our counterterrorism strategy our strategy to prevent recruitment to

strategy to prevent recruitment to

strategy to prevent recruitment to violent groups first thing I would say

violent groups first thing I would say

violent groups first thing I would say is don’t spin a counter narrative and

is don’t spin a counter narrative and

is don’t spin a counter narrative and here I’m going against years and years

here I’m going against years and years

here I’m going against years and years of government strategies because it’s

of government strategies because it’s

of government strategies because it’s been a feature for many years in this

been a feature for many years in this

been a feature for many years in this country in America and other countries

country in America and other countries

country in America and other countries that we have to have a counter narrative

that we have to have a counter narrative

that we have to have a counter narrative what that means is that al-qaeda and now

what that means is that al-qaeda and now

what that means is that al-qaeda and now Isis have put together a particular

Isis have put together a particular

Isis have put together a particular narrative of that story they tell the

narrative of that story they tell the

narrative of that story they tell the history of the world right down to the

history of the world right down to the

history of the world right down to the experience of local Muslims that makes

experience of local Muslims that makes

experience of local Muslims that makes sense within their lands of people’s

sense within their lands of people’s

sense within their lands of people’s experience in the events of history

experience in the events of history

experience in the events of history heroes and villains as you would imagine

heroes and villains as you would imagine

heroes and villains as you would imagine so a key plank of many countries

so a key plank of many countries

so a key plank of many countries counterterrorism strategy is to have a

counterterrorism strategy is to have a

counterterrorism strategy is to have a counter narrative I think there are some

counter narrative I think there are some

counter narrative I think there are some things wrong with this and one I have to

things wrong with this and one I have to

things wrong with this and one I have to say is that I’ve never come across a

say is that I’ve never come across a

say is that I’ve never come across a counter narrative thrilling enough to

counter narrative thrilling enough to

counter narrative thrilling enough to compete with what they can come up with

compete with what they can come up with

compete with what they can come up with we do better with call of duty or

we do better with call of duty or

we do better with call of duty or something like that to give people that

something like that to give people that

something like that to give people that sense of adventure

sense of adventure

sense of adventure another problem with it is that many

another problem with it is that many

another problem with it is that many people who are attracted to violent or

people who are attracted to violent or

people who are attracted to violent or extreme groups obviously have a bit of

extreme groups obviously have a bit of

extreme groups obviously have a bit of the rebel about them a bit of the an

the rebel about them a bit of the an

the rebel about them a bit of the an anti-authoritarian streak so pumping up

anti-authoritarian streak so pumping up

anti-authoritarian streak so pumping up the government message which they have

the government message which they have

the government message which they have to take on board is bound to fall flat

to take on board is bound to fall flat

to take on board is bound to fall flat so in fact we should be encouraging

so in fact we should be encouraging

so in fact we should be encouraging criticism of these cover of our

criticism of these cover of our

criticism of these cover of our governments criticism of the

governments criticism of the

governments criticism of the establishment which naturally they would

establishment which naturally they would

establishment which naturally they would like to discourage instead of trying to

like to discourage instead of trying to

like to discourage instead of trying to spin some counter narrative what we need

spin some counter narrative what we need

spin some counter narrative what we need to do is demonstrate that the terrorist

to do is demonstrate that the terrorist

to do is demonstrate that the terrorist message whichever side terrorism it is

message whichever side terrorism it is

message whichever side terrorism it is it’s false through our action

it’s false through our action

it’s false through our action we need to create the reality that

we need to create the reality that

we need to create the reality that demonstrates that what they’re saying is

demonstrates that what they’re saying is

demonstrates that what they’re saying is not true do you know one of the things

not true do you know one of the things

not true do you know one of the things that is making Isis most furious at the

that is making Isis most furious at the

that is making Isis most furious at the moment over these last few months it’s

moment over these last few months it’s

moment over these last few months it’s not actually the threat of bombing it’s

not actually the threat of bombing it’s

not actually the threat of bombing it’s the mass refugee crisis coming from Iraq

the mass refugee crisis coming from Iraq

the mass refugee crisis coming from Iraq and Syria they are absolutely livid

and Syria they are absolutely livid

and Syria they are absolutely livid about it

about it

about it and are trying to put out their

and are trying to put out their

and are trying to put out their counter-narrative their counter

counter-narrative their counter

counter-narrative their counter propaganda about it in their magazine

propaganda about it in their magazine

propaganda about it in their magazine why well one reason actually there a

why well one reason actually there a

why well one reason actually there a practical reason because a lot of their

practical reason because a lot of their

practical reason because a lot of their revenue and income comes from extortion

revenue and income comes from extortion

revenue and income comes from extortion and taxation on the local people so the

and taxation on the local people so the

and taxation on the local people so the more people leave the more money they

more people leave the more money they

more people leave the more money they lose but another reason remember is that

lose but another reason remember is that

lose but another reason remember is that what they say is this is the Islamic

what they say is this is the Islamic

what they say is this is the Islamic state all Muslims have to make it real

state all Muslims have to make it real

state all Muslims have to make it real they have to migrate and come here

they have to migrate and come here

they have to migrate and come here because I can’t live with non-muslims in

because I can’t live with non-muslims in

because I can’t live with non-muslims in the West and here are hundreds of

the West and here are hundreds of

the West and here are hundreds of thousands of people desperate to get out

thousands of people desperate to get out

thousands of people desperate to get out of their so-called Islamic state and

of their so-called Islamic state and

of their so-called Islamic state and come to the west and live in common with

come to the west and live in common with

come to the west and live in common with non-muslims so refugees are destroying

non-muslims so refugees are destroying

non-muslims so refugees are destroying the ISIS message by their actions

although that depends on us and our

although that depends on us and our response to them wouldn’t it be

response to them wouldn’t it be

response to them wouldn’t it be interesting especially given some of the

interesting especially given some of the

interesting especially given some of the political the comments and a political

political the comments and a political

political the comments and a political climate at the moment wouldn’t it be

climate at the moment wouldn’t it be

climate at the moment wouldn’t it be interesting if one of the most effective

interesting if one of the most effective

interesting if one of the most effective things that we could do to counter Isis

things that we could do to counter Isis

things that we could do to counter Isis and globally would be to welcome as many

and globally would be to welcome as many

and globally would be to welcome as many refugees as possible and welcome them as

refugees as possible and welcome them as

refugees as possible and welcome them as warmly as possible and make them safe

warmly as possible and make them safe

warmly as possible and make them safe and welcomed in our countries until it’s

and welcomed in our countries until it’s

and welcomed in our countries until it’s safe for them to go back and create the

safe for them to go back and create the

safe for them to go back and create the country they desire wouldn’t that be

country they desire wouldn’t that be

country they desire wouldn’t that be ironic second thing that we need to do

ironic second thing that we need to do

ironic second thing that we need to do in our counter-terrorist strategy of the

in our counter-terrorist strategy of the

in our counter-terrorist strategy of the people unlike the government don’t

people unlike the government don’t

people unlike the government don’t mass-market propaganda a mass message

mass-market propaganda a mass message

mass-market propaganda a mass message will not work instead you have to give

will not work instead you have to give

will not work instead you have to give people personal attention

people personal attention

people personal attention and a lot of it now it’s commonly said

and a lot of it now it’s commonly said

and a lot of it now it’s commonly said it’s a cliche isn’t it you can’t change

it’s a cliche isn’t it you can’t change

it’s a cliche isn’t it you can’t change other people you can only change

other people you can only change

other people you can only change yourself that’s not entirely true

yourself that’s not entirely true

yourself that’s not entirely true you can often change other people and

you can often change other people and

you can often change other people and you already know how meet their needs

you already know how meet their needs

you already know how meet their needs tap into their desires and offer them a

tap into their desires and offer them a

tap into their desires and offer them a picture of themselves that is attractive

picture of themselves that is attractive

picture of themselves that is attractive to them because people will change if it

to them because people will change if it

to them because people will change if it meets their needs and desires to do so

meets their needs and desires to do so

meets their needs and desires to do so the recruiters know that people in cults

the recruiters know that people in cults

the recruiters know that people in cults know that you need to know that and

know that you need to know that and

know that you need to know that and finally another way that I’m going

finally another way that I’m going

finally another way that I’m going against the grain and saying the

against the grain and saying the

against the grain and saying the counterterrorism strategy of the people

counterterrorism strategy of the people

counterterrorism strategy of the people has got to be different from the

has got to be different from the

has got to be different from the counterterrorism strategy of the war on

counterterrorism strategy of the war on

counterterrorism strategy of the war on terror and the government’s don’t preach

terror and the government’s don’t preach

terror and the government’s don’t preach about values shared values British

about values shared values British

about values shared values British values American values and you must all

values American values and you must all

values American values and you must all subscribe to them and uphold them I’m

subscribe to them and uphold them I’m

subscribe to them and uphold them I’m all for values that values only

all for values that values only

all for values that values only convinced us if we see you living by

convinced us if we see you living by

convinced us if we see you living by them if you want to know what someone’s

them if you want to know what someone’s

them if you want to know what someone’s values are don’t read their speeches

values are don’t read their speeches

values are don’t read their speeches just follow them around for a few days

just follow them around for a few days

just follow them around for a few days you will see what they really value in

you will see what they really value in

you will see what they really value in fact of our politicians and leaders

fact of our politicians and leaders

fact of our politicians and leaders really lived out a commitment to peace

really lived out a commitment to peace

really lived out a commitment to peace and to justice social justice to

and to justice social justice to

and to justice social justice to economic justice to international

economic justice to international

economic justice to international justice then Isis would only appeal to

justice then Isis would only appeal to

justice then Isis would only appeal to Psychopaths it’s precisely because

Psychopaths it’s precisely because

Psychopaths it’s precisely because people don’t see our leaders living out

people don’t see our leaders living out

people don’t see our leaders living out the values that they have that they join

the values that they have that they join

the values that they have that they join violent groups of one kind or another

violent groups of one kind or another

violent groups of one kind or another and then you find that they can justify

and then you find that they can justify

and then you find that they can justify brutality and excessive violence because

brutality and excessive violence because

brutality and excessive violence because it means to an end to achieve their

it means to an end to achieve their

it means to an end to achieve their values so instead of preaching about

values so instead of preaching about

values so instead of preaching about values we need to talk about vision

values we need to talk about vision

values we need to talk about vision we need to create a vision and a cause

we need to create a vision and a cause

we need to create a vision and a cause that people find compelling and

that people find compelling and

that people find compelling and attractive and that means it needs to be

attractive and that means it needs to be

attractive and that means it needs to be a vision that will include everyone who

a vision that will include everyone who

a vision that will include everyone who is part of our society including those

is part of our society including those

is part of our society including those who are alienated and marginalized it

who are alienated and marginalized it

who are alienated and marginalized it needs to be a vision that young people

needs to be a vision that young people

needs to be a vision that young people can create and we need young people to

can create and we need young people to

can create and we need young people to contribute to a need to be a vision that

contribute to a need to be a vision that

contribute to a need to be a vision that everyone can participate in and

everyone can participate in and

everyone can participate in and contribute to so here’s what you need to

contribute to so here’s what you need to

contribute to so here’s what you need to do personally each one of you to stop

do personally each one of you to stop

do personally each one of you to stop recruiting the terrorist groups for

recruiting the terrorist groups for

recruiting the terrorist groups for violent groups you need to undermine

violent groups you need to undermine

violent groups you need to undermine terrorist or racist propaganda by living

terrorist or racist propaganda by living

terrorist or racist propaganda by living out the reality of the opposite you need

out the reality of the opposite you need

out the reality of the opposite you need to create a climate that is inclusive

to create a climate that is inclusive

to create a climate that is inclusive and positive and welcoming you need to

and positive and welcoming you need to

and positive and welcoming you need to create a shared vision and you need to

create a shared vision and you need to

create a shared vision and you need to build relationships between people on

build relationships between people on

build relationships between people on the ground so you need to think through

the ground so you need to think through

the ground so you need to think through what your vision is with the society you

what your vision is with the society you

what your vision is with the society you want to live in and you need to

want to live in and you need to

want to live in and you need to communicate it to other people you need

communicate it to other people you need

communicate it to other people you need to demonstrate if you believe it’s true

to demonstrate if you believe it’s true

to demonstrate if you believe it’s true that people from different faiths non

that people from different faiths non

that people from different faiths non faiths different backgrounds can live

faiths different backgrounds can live

faiths different backgrounds can live together and a very effective tactic in

together and a very effective tactic in

together and a very effective tactic in this strategy is to give the other

this strategy is to give the other

this strategy is to give the other people positive experiences of you

people positive experiences of you

people positive experiences of you whatever your background is someone from

whatever your background is someone from

whatever your background is someone from a different background ethnic group

a different background ethnic group

a different background ethnic group religion to yours needs to have positive

religion to yours needs to have positive

religion to yours needs to have positive experiences of you again and again this

experiences of you again and again this

experiences of you again and again this has actually been shown to be the most

has actually been shown to be the most

has actually been shown to be the most effective way to deconstruct people’s

effective way to deconstruct people’s

effective way to deconstruct people’s unconscious prejudices because basically

unconscious prejudices because basically

unconscious prejudices because basically the reality that the experience of you

the reality that the experience of you

the reality that the experience of you doing this is going to override the

doing this is going to override the

doing this is going to override the police oh they come to share I want you

police oh they come to share I want you

police oh they come to share I want you to think of one thing you

to think of one thing you

to think of one thing you due to undermine destroy the terrorist

due to undermine destroy the terrorist

due to undermine destroy the terrorist messaging create the society that you

messaging create the society that you

messaging create the society that you want to live in thank you

want to live in thank you

want to live in thank you [Applause]

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