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Stir, Blend, Disrupt: How Architects Think & What Managers Can Learn | Christos Chantzaras | TEDxTUM


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you may think that architecture is only

you may think that architecture is only about buildings you may think that

about buildings you may think that

about buildings you may think that architects are only focusing on building

architects are only focusing on building

architects are only focusing on building iconic stuff or maybe their ego and

iconic stuff or maybe their ego and

iconic stuff or maybe their ego and there are much more misconceptions about

there are much more misconceptions about

there are much more misconceptions about architecture and architects but for

architecture and architects but for

architecture and architects but for today I don’t want to talk about

today I don’t want to talk about

today I don’t want to talk about buildings and construction I want to

buildings and construction I want to

buildings and construction I want to talk about a different approach to

talk about a different approach to

talk about a different approach to architecture and see architecture as a

architecture and see architecture as a

architecture and see architecture as a way of thinking as a way of analyzing

way of thinking as a way of analyzing

way of thinking as a way of analyzing system and seeing systems and also

system and seeing systems and also

system and seeing systems and also design and create new systems it took me

design and create new systems it took me

design and create new systems it took me quite some time to get to this point and

quite some time to get to this point and

quite some time to get to this point and also to get to this red carpet here and

also to get to this red carpet here and

also to get to this red carpet here and I studied management before I turned

I studied management before I turned

I studied management before I turned over to architecture so after I finished

over to architecture so after I finished

over to architecture so after I finished my Business Administration studies I

my Business Administration studies I

my Business Administration studies I finished I went over to architecture and

finished I went over to architecture and

finished I went over to architecture and then I was ready for my first job to

then I was ready for my first job to

then I was ready for my first job to come so was looking for some interesting

come so was looking for some interesting

come so was looking for some interesting thing like an airport maybe high-rise a

thing like an airport maybe high-rise a

thing like an airport maybe high-rise a museum whatever you think an architect

museum whatever you think an architect

museum whatever you think an architect would do and then I was applying for my

would do and then I was applying for my

would do and then I was applying for my first job and I got a sign from a first

first job and I got a sign from a first

first job and I got a sign from a first job and I was head of design should be

job and I was head of design should be

job and I was head of design should be head of planning and also head of

head of planning and also head of

head of planning and also head of construction which is normally Wow

construction which is normally Wow

construction which is normally Wow but the job was painting walls so that

but the job was painting walls so that

but the job was painting walls so that was my first job in an architectural

was my first job in an architectural

was my first job in an architectural office it was a really tiny thing and

office it was a really tiny thing and

office it was a really tiny thing and then I got soon after to a interesting

then I got soon after to a interesting

then I got soon after to a interesting project focusing on a family house here

project focusing on a family house here

project focusing on a family house here in Munich and in this project I learned

in Munich and in this project I learned

in Munich and in this project I learned about how we live and how you plan a

about how we live and how you plan a

about how we live and how you plan a house or how you design a living for a

house or how you design a living for a

house or how you design a living for a family after that in this small scale I

family after that in this small scale I

family after that in this small scale I worked on a project about how we work an

worked on a project about how we work an

worked on a project about how we work an office project to bring people together

office project to bring people together

office project to bring people together and work together and step by step I

and work together and step by step I

and work together and step by step I made my way through to a larger project

made my way through to a larger project

made my way through to a larger project which was then about how to innovate how

which was then about how to innovate how

which was then about how to innovate how you get people in a big company together

you get people in a big company together

you get people in a big company together to create better ideas and to improve

to create better ideas and to improve

to create better ideas and to improve themselves and invent something which

themselves and invent something which

themselves and invent something which they can go to take to market and my

they can go to take to market and my

they can go to take to market and my largest project so far

largest project so far

largest project so far in China was a production plant and the

in China was a production plant and the

in China was a production plant and the question in this project was how we

question in this project was how we

question in this project was how we produce and how we built so you see

produce and how we built so you see

produce and how we built so you see after painting walls I get step by step

after painting walls I get step by step

after painting walls I get step by step I grew with my projects and in the first

I grew with my projects and in the first

I grew with my projects and in the first project there were only a few people to

project there were only a few people to

project there were only a few people to deal with you have the client you had

deal with you have the client you had

deal with you have the client you had the consultant you as architect was

the consultant you as architect was

the consultant you as architect was dealing with that but with a larger

dealing with that but with a larger

dealing with that but with a larger project it suddenly explodes and you

project it suddenly explodes and you

project it suddenly explodes and you have a lot of people to integrate you

have a lot of people to integrate you

have a lot of people to integrate you have not only the client you have also

have not only the client you have also

have not only the client you have also the clients representatives you have

the clients representatives you have

the clients representatives you have other sky coders being involved and then

other sky coders being involved and then

other sky coders being involved and then your not anymore just focusing on a

your not anymore just focusing on a

your not anymore just focusing on a design but also managing a complete

design but also managing a complete

design but also managing a complete different system and also creating some

different system and also creating some

different system and also creating some complete different from only a building

complete different from only a building

complete different from only a building and with this experience over my

and with this experience over my

and with this experience over my projects I got two insights and the

projects I got two insights and the

projects I got two insights and the first insight I got is that designing a

first insight I got is that designing a

first insight I got is that designing a building is like starting up a company

building is like starting up a company

building is like starting up a company with the complexities you have and also

with the complexities you have and also

with the complexities you have and also with the things you’re dealing with and

with the things you’re dealing with and

with the things you’re dealing with and also to people you’re dealing with you

also to people you’re dealing with you

also to people you’re dealing with you have to arrange so many different topics

have to arrange so many different topics

have to arrange so many different topics and think in different scales that it’s

and think in different scales that it’s

and think in different scales that it’s the same thing as setting up an idea for

the same thing as setting up an idea for

the same thing as setting up an idea for a startup or creating a company and more

a startup or creating a company and more

a startup or creating a company and more interestingly the second inside

interestingly the second inside

interestingly the second inside designing a building is likely creating

designing a building is likely creating

designing a building is likely creating new ways to live work in a weight and

new ways to live work in a weight and

new ways to live work in a weight and build also on a systemic level or on a

build also on a systemic level or on a

build also on a systemic level or on a systems level so these questions and

systems level so these questions and

systems level so these questions and also these projects I had are all around

also these projects I had are all around

also these projects I had are all around the questions we have today as we are

the questions we have today as we are

the questions we have today as we are living in a transformation of how we

living in a transformation of how we

living in a transformation of how we live how we innovate work move and build

live how we innovate work move and build

live how we innovate work move and build so then I also discovered that aside

so then I also discovered that aside

so then I also discovered that aside from these saw changes and

from these saw changes and

from these saw changes and transformations also the fields of

transformations also the fields of

transformations also the fields of management behavior design data are

management behavior design data are

management behavior design data are somehow blurring in boundaries they’re

somehow blurring in boundaries they’re

somehow blurring in boundaries they’re approaching each other in architecture

approaching each other in architecture

approaching each other in architecture as well and in my case I see that

as well and in my case I see that

as well and in my case I see that architecture gets at an intersection

architecture gets at an intersection

architecture gets at an intersection point where all these disciplines

point where all these disciplines

point where all these disciplines somehow need or learn from each other

somehow need or learn from each other

somehow need or learn from each other and this is a momentum of chance

and this is a momentum of chance

and this is a momentum of chance for architects or architecture to move

for architects or architecture to move

for architects or architecture to move forward and to redefine the profession

forward and to redefine the profession

forward and to redefine the profession as a way of looking things in a new way

as a way of looking things in a new way

as a way of looking things in a new way and design new systems for our built

and design new systems for our built

and design new systems for our built environment and also about our society

environment and also about our society

environment and also about our society and you will see in later in some

and you will see in later in some

and you will see in later in some examples what I mean with how you apply

examples what I mean with how you apply

examples what I mean with how you apply data into architecture and how the

data into architecture and how the

data into architecture and how the profession already started to change so

profession already started to change so

profession already started to change so the next scale for me what would it be

the next scale for me what would it be

the next scale for me what would it be after I’ve done the little projects

after I’ve done the little projects

after I’ve done the little projects after I thought the bigger projects

after I thought the bigger projects

after I thought the bigger projects could I do some more projects maybe

could I do some more projects maybe

could I do some more projects maybe directed a bigger planning group and

directed a bigger planning group and

directed a bigger planning group and stuff like that but I was questioning

stuff like that but I was questioning

stuff like that but I was questioning myself what would be the next step to do

myself what would be the next step to do

myself what would be the next step to do and then I decided to go back to zero

and then I decided to go back to zero

and then I decided to go back to zero and back to zero means that I decided to

and back to zero means that I decided to

and back to zero means that I decided to go back to University to investigate

go back to University to investigate

go back to University to investigate that further if there’s something the

that further if there’s something the

that further if there’s something the profession needs to be updated or maybe

profession needs to be updated or maybe

profession needs to be updated or maybe needs to be changed in the education and

needs to be changed in the education and

needs to be changed in the education and also to teach the insights I got from

also to teach the insights I got from

also to teach the insights I got from all the works I have done and the

all the works I have done and the

all the works I have done and the experience I had so I went back to zero

experience I had so I went back to zero

experience I had so I went back to zero integrating also my management education

integrating also my management education

integrating also my management education in Business Administration skills I

in Business Administration skills I

in Business Administration skills I learned during my studies and also which

learned during my studies and also which

learned during my studies and also which I applied in my works so here again you

I applied in my works so here again you

I applied in my works so here again you see my management side of you and also

see my management side of you and also

see my management side of you and also what I learned in this field and if you

what I learned in this field and if you

what I learned in this field and if you get a bigger look on that if you closely

get a bigger look on that if you closely

get a bigger look on that if you closely look what the management education was

look what the management education was

look what the management education was looking like then it was for the past 50

looking like then it was for the past 50

looking like then it was for the past 50 70 years focusing on doing decisions and

70 years focusing on doing decisions and

70 years focusing on doing decisions and choosing among existing alternatives the

choosing among existing alternatives the

choosing among existing alternatives the world was somehow characterized by

world was somehow characterized by

world was somehow characterized by processes and efficiencies and in this

processes and efficiencies and in this

processes and efficiencies and in this problem-solving attitude it was more

problem-solving attitude it was more

problem-solving attitude it was more about to decide than to think about new

about to decide than to think about new

about to decide than to think about new alternatives on the other side if you go

alternatives on the other side if you go

alternatives on the other side if you go to the creative industries for designers

to the creative industries for designers

to the creative industries for designers and also architects you see that they

and also architects you see that they

and also architects you see that they have an alternative way of thinking they

have an alternative way of thinking they

have an alternative way of thinking they think differently on some problems and

think differently on some problems and

think differently on some problems and they have some

they have some

they have some how a problem seeking and with this I

how a problem seeking and with this I

how a problem seeking and with this I don’t mean that architects are making up

don’t mean that architects are making up

don’t mean that architects are making up problems they do somehow of course but I

problems they do somehow of course but I

problems they do somehow of course but I mean that they’re looking behind the

mean that they’re looking behind the

mean that they’re looking behind the obvious I mean they’re looking behind

obvious I mean they’re looking behind

obvious I mean they’re looking behind the obvious problem and try to find what

the obvious problem and try to find what

the obvious problem and try to find what really could make a change and this I

really could make a change and this I

really could make a change and this I call or also is called problem seeking

call or also is called problem seeking

call or also is called problem seeking and with a design attitude so you have

and with a design attitude so you have

and with a design attitude so you have on the one side so called matrix

on the one side so called matrix

on the one side so called matrix thinking of management education you

thinking of management education you

thinking of management education you have on the other side the alternative

have on the other side the alternative

have on the other side the alternative thinking of design and architectural

thinking of design and architectural

thinking of design and architectural education and then ask yourself our

education and then ask yourself our

education and then ask yourself our world today where does it fit better in

world today where does it fit better in

world today where does it fit better in in a matrix like thinking or more in an

in a matrix like thinking or more in an

in a matrix like thinking or more in an alternative free way of thinking and by

alternative free way of thinking and by

alternative free way of thinking and by the time of millennium management

the time of millennium management

the time of millennium management education started to look at creative

education started to look at creative

education started to look at creative industries to see how they tackle

industries to see how they tackle

industries to see how they tackle problems or complex problems and they

problems or complex problems and they

problems or complex problems and they also looked at architects how they

also looked at architects how they

also looked at architects how they approach or things because they realized

approach or things because they realized

approach or things because they realized with this linear thinking they wouldn’t

with this linear thinking they wouldn’t

with this linear thinking they wouldn’t come to an end or they couldn’t work

come to an end or they couldn’t work

come to an end or they couldn’t work with the complexities and the

with the complexities and the

with the complexities and the interrelations we have so they focus

interrelations we have so they focus

interrelations we have so they focus then to learn from the design attitude

then to learn from the design attitude

then to learn from the design attitude and also to have a deeper look at

and also to have a deeper look at

and also to have a deeper look at architects and if you look at architects

architects and if you look at architects

architects and if you look at architects they don’t only have an alternative way

they don’t only have an alternative way

they don’t only have an alternative way of thinking they have a strong visual

of thinking they have a strong visual

of thinking they have a strong visual processing I mean they they take a pen

processing I mean they they take a pen

processing I mean they they take a pen they draw with a pen and they

they draw with a pen and they

they draw with a pen and they communicate visually they also think

communicate visually they also think

communicate visually they also think with the drawing and communicate with a

with the drawing and communicate with a

with the drawing and communicate with a drawing and it’s something completely

drawing and it’s something completely

drawing and it’s something completely different as looking at the data sheet

different as looking at the data sheet

different as looking at the data sheet or something like that they can also

or something like that they can also

or something like that they can also build up models of that to reframe

build up models of that to reframe

build up models of that to reframe complexities and the other thing is that

complexities and the other thing is that

complexities and the other thing is that they also have a deep understanding of

they also have a deep understanding of

they also have a deep understanding of systems of the interrelations of the

systems of the interrelations of the

systems of the interrelations of the networks which are needed or need to be

networks which are needed or need to be

networks which are needed or need to be designed as you saw in my projects when

designed as you saw in my projects when

designed as you saw in my projects when I was focusing on housing building or an

I was focusing on housing building or an

I was focusing on housing building or an innovation space and these deep

innovation space and these deep

innovation space and these deep understanding could also be called as

understanding could also be called as

understanding could also be called as empathy

empathy

empathy and these three skills are somehow

and these three skills are somehow

and these three skills are somehow directed to the building industry and

directed to the building industry and

directed to the building industry and only two buildings management education

only two buildings management education

only two buildings management education already saw that there are some

already saw that there are some

already saw that there are some interesting approaches approaches which

interesting approaches approaches which

interesting approaches approaches which can be applied to other problems so the

can be applied to other problems so the

can be applied to other problems so the question would be then why don’t we turn

question would be then why don’t we turn

question would be then why don’t we turn these skills and redirect this design

these skills and redirect this design

these skills and redirect this design attitude towards the decision attitude

attitude towards the decision attitude

attitude towards the decision attitude of management and then create something

of management and then create something

of management and then create something new in management terms you would say

new in management terms you would say

new in management terms you would say that sin evasion if it’s applied so what

that sin evasion if it’s applied so what

that sin evasion if it’s applied so what could happen if the good skills are not

could happen if the good skills are not

could happen if the good skills are not only directed to buildings but to open

only directed to buildings but to open

only directed to buildings but to open up to some more fields to do that and

up to some more fields to do that and

up to some more fields to do that and this is the question which got me back

this is the question which got me back

this is the question which got me back to university and also which got me back

to university and also which got me back

to university and also which got me back to set up some further steps and these

to set up some further steps and these

to set up some further steps and these further steps is getting away from this

further steps is getting away from this

further steps is getting away from this personal level of having the manager on

personal level of having the manager on

personal level of having the manager on the one side and having the architect on

the one side and having the architect on

the one side and having the architect on the other side is on an institutional

the other side is on an institutional

the other side is on an institutional level you have industries on the one

level you have industries on the one

level you have industries on the one side and then you have institutions like

side and then you have institutions like

side and then you have institutions like the university on the other side so how

the university on the other side so how

the university on the other side so how can we open that up and make that

can we open that up and make that

can we open that up and make that awareness for architecture that they

awareness for architecture that they

awareness for architecture that they have skills which could be applied in

have skills which could be applied in

have skills which could be applied in different fields so management creative

different fields so management creative

different fields so management creative industries as I said you have them on

industries as I said you have them on

industries as I said you have them on the one side and then you have the

the one side and then you have the

the one side and then you have the architecture research and at the

architecture research and at the

architecture research and at the Technical University of Munich we

Technical University of Munich we

Technical University of Munich we started to open that up this

started to open that up this

started to open that up this architecture research and also to try

architecture research and also to try

architecture research and also to try connection to apply to research with

connection to apply to research with

connection to apply to research with industries together and developed or

industries together and developed or

industries together and developed or developing an architecture research

developing an architecture research

developing an architecture research incubator a sort of a platform where

incubator a sort of a platform where

incubator a sort of a platform where students researchers could work together

students researchers could work together

students researchers could work together with industries on fields of on fields

with industries on fields of on fields

with industries on fields of on fields of building design but also on fields

of building design but also on fields

of building design but also on fields beyond and this is what it makes

beyond and this is what it makes

beyond and this is what it makes interesting to learn from each other and

interesting to learn from each other and

interesting to learn from each other and also to enter a cooperative state we

also to enter a cooperative state we

also to enter a cooperative state we went on with this project and the

went on with this project and the

went on with this project and the projects we had are the research studies

projects we had are the research studies

projects we had are the research studies we had are applicable to

we had are applicable to

we had are applicable to different scales and as we are here in

different scales and as we are here in

different scales and as we are here in Munich we can look at a city scale

Munich we can look at a city scale

Munich we can look at a city scale minion egg is a very attractive city and

minion egg is a very attractive city and

minion egg is a very attractive city and each year about 20,000 people are moving

each year about 20,000 people are moving

each year about 20,000 people are moving to Munich and you know that this is a

to Munich and you know that this is a

to Munich and you know that this is a high task for housing and apartments and

high task for housing and apartments and

high task for housing and apartments and to provide sufficient space for living

to provide sufficient space for living

to provide sufficient space for living so an architect could easily think we do

so an architect could easily think we do

so an architect could easily think we do a house or we design a house but an

a house or we design a house but an

a house or we design a house but an architect in this case could also think

architect in this case could also think

architect in this case could also think about an urban strategy to develop or to

about an urban strategy to develop or to

about an urban strategy to develop or to discover where are the fields and the

discover where are the fields and the

discover where are the fields and the areas to get more housing developed and

areas to get more housing developed and

areas to get more housing developed and developing housing on a city scale is a

developing housing on a city scale is a

developing housing on a city scale is a tremendous thing with stakeholders being

tremendous thing with stakeholders being

tremendous thing with stakeholders being involved you have authorities you have

involved you have authorities you have

involved you have authorities you have planners you have the neighbors you have

planners you have the neighbors you have

planners you have the neighbors you have yourself as well if you want to invest

yourself as well if you want to invest

yourself as well if you want to invest in a house so there are so many

in a house so there are so many

in a house so there are so many regulations and complexities in that

regulations and complexities in that

regulations and complexities in that that you need to have better decisions

that you need to have better decisions

that you need to have better decisions and two of my colleagues Michael and

and two of my colleagues Michael and

and two of my colleagues Michael and Nils both architects they thought okay

Nils both architects they thought okay

Nils both architects they thought okay how can we make this complexity severe

how can we make this complexity severe

how can we make this complexity severe how can we integrate that in a platform

how can we integrate that in a platform

how can we integrate that in a platform where we can adjust the parameters for

where we can adjust the parameters for

where we can adjust the parameters for urban authorities or developers to

urban authorities or developers to

urban authorities or developers to visualize where they can extend housing

visualize where they can extend housing

visualize where they can extend housing or where they can set up another floor

or where they can set up another floor

or where they can set up another floor and this they called urban strategy

and this they called urban strategy

and this they called urban strategy playground directly also putting out the

playground directly also putting out the

playground directly also putting out the areas gained or then also the regulation

areas gained or then also the regulation

areas gained or then also the regulation which need to be changed you see that in

which need to be changed you see that in

which need to be changed you see that in red and then with an option to put press

red and then with an option to put press

red and then with an option to put press a button and then to rapid prototype it

a button and then to rapid prototype it

a button and then to rapid prototype it and to have it then as a model for

and to have it then as a model for

and to have it then as a model for discussion and the both didn’t study

discussion and the both didn’t study

discussion and the both didn’t study informatics but they’re closed to

informatics but they’re closed to

informatics but they’re closed to architectural informatics and also to

architectural informatics and also to

architectural informatics and also to the computer programs so they said okay

the computer programs so they said okay

the computer programs so they said okay let’s figure that out and they came up

let’s figure that out and they came up

let’s figure that out and they came up with that project if you go on a

with that project if you go on a

with that project if you go on a regional scale and the question about

regional scale and the question about

regional scale and the question about how we move then you could say an

how we move then you could say an

how we move then you could say an architect could make a garage could make

architect could make a garage could make

architect could make a garage could make a nicely designed charging station but

a nicely designed charging station but

a nicely designed charging station but he could also think about seeing our

he could also think about seeing our

he could also think about seeing our movements as a system and one of my

movements as a system and one of my

movements as a system and one of my students and II was thinking about

students and II was thinking about

students and II was thinking about mobility

mobility

mobility distance and also how we affect others

distance and also how we affect others

distance and also how we affect others by choosing some different kind of

by choosing some different kind of

by choosing some different kind of transportation or mode of transportation

transportation or mode of transportation

transportation or mode of transportation so he saw we have an impact not only by

so he saw we have an impact not only by

so he saw we have an impact not only by choosing for ourselves a mode of

choosing for ourselves a mode of

choosing for ourselves a mode of transportation but also influencing the

transportation but also influencing the

transportation but also influencing the decisions of others and so he went

decisions of others and so he went

decisions of others and so he went further to investigate that and to apply

further to investigate that and to apply

further to investigate that and to apply his skills as architect to a field which

his skills as architect to a field which

his skills as architect to a field which is normally not in his domain and as he

is normally not in his domain and as he

is normally not in his domain and as he learned several C ad programs he said ok

learned several C ad programs he said ok

learned several C ad programs he said ok let’s run another program and

let’s run another program and

let’s run another program and investigate that further but we are not

investigate that further but we are not

investigate that further but we are not only in a city or regional we also have

only in a city or regional we also have

only in a city or regional we also have to think globally and also to think

to think globally and also to think

to think globally and also to think about the skills we have here in our

about the skills we have here in our

about the skills we have here in our developed countries and to see how do we

developed countries and to see how do we

developed countries and to see how do we grow and this is one interesting project

grow and this is one interesting project

grow and this is one interesting project from three other students decided to

from three other students decided to

from three other students decided to think further to apply their skills and

think further to apply their skills and

think further to apply their skills and their thinking to something which is not

their thinking to something which is not

their thinking to something which is not in our surrounding here as we have

in our surrounding here as we have

in our surrounding here as we have achieved so much but to look at deprived

achieved so much but to look at deprived

achieved so much but to look at deprived areas and to see what they can do on

areas and to see what they can do on

areas and to see what they can do on that and this interesting thing is that

that and this interesting thing is that

that and this interesting thing is that only one of these three students is an

only one of these three students is an

only one of these three students is an architect the other one is a civil

architect the other one is a civil

architect the other one is a civil engineer the other one is a climate

engineer the other one is a climate

engineer the other one is a climate designer but they said okay we’re going

designer but they said okay we’re going

designer but they said okay we’re going to bring that together and to approach a

to bring that together and to approach a

to bring that together and to approach a design for a deprived area in Latin

design for a deprived area in Latin

design for a deprived area in Latin America so they said we want to go

America so they said we want to go

America so they said we want to go across discipline we want to go across

across discipline we want to go across

across discipline we want to go across boundaries and social systems and also

boundaries and social systems and also

boundaries and social systems and also get this architectural way of thinking

get this architectural way of thinking

get this architectural way of thinking not only from the profession of

not only from the profession of

not only from the profession of architects but also that we are getting

architects but also that we are getting

architects but also that we are getting this architectural thinking inside and

this architectural thinking inside and

this architectural thinking inside and so they went to develop that and this is

so they went to develop that and this is

so they went to develop that and this is something where they also tackling

something where they also tackling

something where they also tackling something with a new approach and not

something with a new approach and not

something with a new approach and not providing a solution but applying their

providing a solution but applying their

providing a solution but applying their skills first so in the end what is the

skills first so in the end what is the

skills first so in the end what is the point I want to talk about it is tough

point I want to talk about it is tough

point I want to talk about it is tough to be an architect but it is tough also

to be an architect but it is tough also

to be an architect but it is tough also to to start painting walls

to to start painting walls

to to start painting walls I want to activate architects because

I want to activate architects because

I want to activate architects because the skills architects have they are so

the skills architects have they are so

the skills architects have they are so sought-after

sought-after

sought-after and they’re becoming even more important

and they’re becoming even more important

and they’re becoming even more important so it’s really great if we could apply

so it’s really great if we could apply

so it’s really great if we could apply these skills to a collaborative field

these skills to a collaborative field

these skills to a collaborative field and also to work together with other

and also to work together with other

and also to work together with other disciplines to achieve better solutions

disciplines to achieve better solutions

disciplines to achieve better solutions for our challenges to come and this is

for our challenges to come and this is

for our challenges to come and this is for me the architects to enter the age

for me the architects to enter the age

for me the architects to enter the age of disruption

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