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Standing in the shoes of the others with VR | Philippe Bertrand | TEDxSciencesPoCampusMenton


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[Music] hello thank you I am philippic from be

hello thank you I am philippic from be

hello thank you I am philippic from be another lab we are need to disciplinary

another lab we are need to disciplinary

another lab we are need to disciplinary collective that developed this open

collective that developed this open

collective that developed this open source system called the machine to be

source system called the machine to be

source system called the machine to be another we combine cognitive sciences

another we combine cognitive sciences

another we combine cognitive sciences virtual reality and art performances to

virtual reality and art performances to

virtual reality and art performances to help users to experience through their

help users to experience through their

help users to experience through their own body a note proverb putting

own body a note proverb putting

own body a note proverb putting ourselves in the shoes of the other I

ourselves in the shoes of the other I

ourselves in the shoes of the other I remember since a very early age my

remember since a very early age my

remember since a very early age my mother repeating this phrase to me

mother repeating this phrase to me

mother repeating this phrase to me whenever I had a fight with my brother

whenever I had a fight with my brother

whenever I had a fight with my brother whenever I was facing in everyday life

whenever I was facing in everyday life

whenever I was facing in everyday life in San Paulo extreme poverty that was

in San Paulo extreme poverty that was

in San Paulo extreme poverty that was all around whenever was dealing with

all around whenever was dealing with

all around whenever was dealing with someone aggressive with anger she would

someone aggressive with anger she would

someone aggressive with anger she would say if you try to do so you may

say if you try to do so you may

say if you try to do so you may understand what the other is going

understand what the other is going

understand what the other is going through maybe fear maybe frustration

through maybe fear maybe frustration

through maybe fear maybe frustration maybe this other person is actually

maybe this other person is actually

maybe this other person is actually needs maybe you could help unfortunately

needs maybe you could help unfortunately

needs maybe you could help unfortunately what we are seeing in the world is great

what we are seeing in the world is great

what we are seeing in the world is great inability to understand what the other

inability to understand what the other

inability to understand what the other is going through with you walls that

is going through with you walls that

is going through with you walls that separate others from us some of these

separate others from us some of these

separate others from us some of these walls are pretty much physical they have

walls are pretty much physical they have

walls are pretty much physical they have been blocking families on their long

been blocking families on their long

been blocking families on their long walk to find a place to survive instead

walk to find a place to survive instead

walk to find a place to survive instead of life a set of life again these walls

of life a set of life again these walls

of life a set of life again these walls have been blocking us to see the beauty

have been blocking us to see the beauty

have been blocking us to see the beauty and the courage of many of them some of

and the courage of many of them some of

and the courage of many of them some of these walls are actually in our minds

these walls are actually in our minds

these walls are actually in our minds during visible

during visible

during visible these quotes came from a research of

these quotes came from a research of

these quotes came from a research of center of pure research center and shows

center of pure research center and shows

center of pure research center and shows what a great numbers of individuals in

what a great numbers of individuals in

what a great numbers of individuals in Europe’s and different countries think

Europe’s and different countries think

Europe’s and different countries think about refugees the danger of terrorism

about refugees the danger of terrorism

about refugees the danger of terrorism the burden to the social structure many

the burden to the social structure many

the burden to the social structure many of the migrants that lives in Europe

of the migrants that lives in Europe

of the migrants that lives in Europe right now they don’t even enter in these

right now they don’t even enter in these

right now they don’t even enter in these statistics are in these opinions they

statistics are in these opinions they

statistics are in these opinions they are illegal migrants many times coming

are illegal migrants many times coming

are illegal migrants many times coming from places in living under extreme

from places in living under extreme

from places in living under extreme conditions of poverty or even climate

conditions of poverty or even climate

conditions of poverty or even climate change consequences behind this old

change consequences behind this old

change consequences behind this old proverb we can say there is a lot of

proverb we can say there is a lot of

proverb we can say there is a lot of interconnected phenomenon like Vicario

interconnected phenomenon like Vicario

interconnected phenomenon like Vicario Spain which is observing the pain of

Spain which is observing the pain of

Spain which is observing the pain of another person and feeling this pain

another person and feeling this pain

another person and feeling this pain from outside perspective taking which is

from outside perspective taking which is

from outside perspective taking which is a cognitive process of imagining

a cognitive process of imagining

a cognitive process of imagining understanding what the other is going

understanding what the other is going

understanding what the other is going through empathy which is an emotional

through empathy which is an emotional

through empathy which is an emotional response to the feeling of another while

response to the feeling of another while

response to the feeling of another while knowing that this the origin of this

knowing that this the origin of this

knowing that this the origin of this emotional response comes from the other

emotional response comes from the other

emotional response comes from the other and compassion are feeling for it’s an

and compassion are feeling for it’s an

and compassion are feeling for it’s an empathic concern the trigger in as

empathic concern the trigger in as

empathic concern the trigger in as desired to help the other science

desired to help the other science

desired to help the other science haven’t shown also some walls that are

haven’t shown also some walls that are

haven’t shown also some walls that are in our minds that block our response to

in our minds that block our response to

in our minds that block our response to the ping of others they observed that

the ping of others they observed that

the ping of others they observed that when we have implicit levels of biases

when we have implicit levels of biases

when we have implicit levels of biases this may block our ability to feel the

this may block our ability to feel the

this may block our ability to feel the pain that we observe on the other hand

pain that we observe on the other hand

pain that we observe on the other hand using virtual reality some science start

using virtual reality some science start

using virtual reality some science start to find out ways to cross these walls to

to find out ways to cross these walls to

to find out ways to cross these walls to put yourselves in the shoes of the other

put yourselves in the shoes of the other

put yourselves in the shoes of the other they created Smurfs effective illusion

they created Smurfs effective illusion

they created Smurfs effective illusion that you are inhabiting the body of

that you are inhabiting the body of

that you are inhabiting the body of another person and curiously they tested

another person and curiously they tested

another person and curiously they tested with the

with the

with the subjects with a light-skinned seen

subjects with a light-skinned seen

subjects with a light-skinned seen themselves in a digital avatar with the

themselves in a digital avatar with the

themselves in a digital avatar with the dark skin and they observe a significant

dark skin and they observe a significant

dark skin and they observe a significant decrease in the level of implicit bias

now I would like to invite you all to

now I would like to invite you all to imagine with me what would the world be

imagine with me what would the world be

imagine with me what would the world be like if we could all cross this walls if

like if we could all cross this walls if

like if we could all cross this walls if could all developed the ability to see

could all developed the ability to see

could all developed the ability to see through the eyes of the others would we

through the eyes of the others would we

through the eyes of the others would we treat others the same way we do now with

treat others the same way we do now with

treat others the same way we do now with directions with the same would migrants

directions with the same would migrants

directions with the same would migrants understand the fears of Europeans with

understand the fears of Europeans with

understand the fears of Europeans with the Europeans that have this fear or

the Europeans that have this fear or

the Europeans that have this fear or Berlin they see them as a burden would

Berlin they see them as a burden would

Berlin they see them as a burden would they understand that sometimes this

they understand that sometimes this

they understand that sometimes this burden is exactly a consequence of

burden is exactly a consequence of

burden is exactly a consequence of imperialism colonialism exploitation

imperialism colonialism exploitation

imperialism colonialism exploitation that have been fading fizzing Europe’s

that have been fading fizzing Europe’s

that have been fading fizzing Europe’s wealth for so many years could we

wealth for so many years could we

wealth for so many years could we understand ourselves as one single you

understand ourselves as one single you

understand ourselves as one single you manage living on the same place letting

manage living on the same place letting

manage living on the same place letting these questions we developed the machine

these questions we developed the machine

these questions we developed the machine to be another which is a system that

to be another which is a system that

to be another which is a system that tricks your brains perception about your

tricks your brains perception about your

tricks your brains perception about your own body and help pupil to step into the

own body and help pupil to step into the

own body and help pupil to step into the shoes of a different person seen moving

shoes of a different person seen moving

shoes of a different person seen moving touching and listening through the

touching and listening through the

touching and listening through the others perspective from educational

others perspective from educational

others perspective from educational centers to art artistic contexts or

centers to art artistic contexts or

centers to art artistic contexts or political events we have been having

political events we have been having

political events we have been having over 20 countries helping people to step

over 20 countries helping people to step

over 20 countries helping people to step into the shoes of the other and

into the shoes of the other and

into the shoes of the other and experience the perspective of migrants

experience the perspective of migrants

experience the perspective of migrants in Europe living with no legal papers

in Europe living with no legal papers

in Europe living with no legal papers refugees living in detention centres

refugees living in detention centres

refugees living in detention centres survivors from war are from everyday

survivors from war are from everyday

survivors from war are from everyday life when you’re not privileged enough

life when you’re not privileged enough

life when you’re not privileged enough to be treated with humanity

we have me exploring gender identity

we have me exploring gender identity gender diversity many aspects always

gender diversity many aspects always

gender diversity many aspects always related to the narrative of the person

related to the narrative of the person

related to the narrative of the person some of the stories I’m going to show a

some of the stories I’m going to show a

some of the stories I’m going to show a little piece that you will listen that

little piece that you will listen that

little piece that you will listen that we’ve done a performance in London it’s

we’ve done a performance in London it’s

we’ve done a performance in London it’s a story of shantou she’s an asylum

a story of shantou she’s an asylum

a story of shantou she’s an asylum seeker living in London in the UK for

seeker living in London in the UK for

seeker living in London in the UK for over 15 years stupid no legal papers

over 15 years stupid no legal papers

over 15 years stupid no legal papers still finding a way to you know be

still finding a way to you know be

still finding a way to you know be accepted in as a citizen of this country

accepted in as a citizen of this country

accepted in as a citizen of this country is rubbing it on my face that we know

is rubbing it on my face that we know

is rubbing it on my face that we know that you’ve been in pain being wrong

that you’ve been in pain being wrong

that you’ve been in pain being wrong you’ve been you know you know taking for

you’ve been you know you know taking for

you’ve been you know you know taking for ride and then we’re going to continue

ride and then we’re going to continue

ride and then we’re going to continue where they left off then abuse your mom

where they left off then abuse your mom

where they left off then abuse your mom in car gatorlaw restraining more how

in car gatorlaw restraining more how

in car gatorlaw restraining more how long am I going to be bearing these

long am I going to be bearing these

long am I going to be bearing these pains so but I’m not going to give up

pains so but I’m not going to give up

pains so but I’m not going to give up I’m waiting fighting to get all that

I’m waiting fighting to get all that

I’m waiting fighting to get all that index this experience that was

index this experience that was

index this experience that was transmitted in by Walt BBC World Service

transmitted in by Walt BBC World Service

transmitted in by Walt BBC World Service the journalist could see herself in the

the journalist could see herself in the

the journalist could see herself in the body of Tsingtao why Chantelle were seen

body of Tsingtao why Chantelle were seen

body of Tsingtao why Chantelle were seen herself in the body of the journalists

herself in the body of the journalists

herself in the body of the journalists from the other side of the curtain

from the other side of the curtain

from the other side of the curtain Chantelle could feel that there was a

Chantelle could feel that there was a

Chantelle could feel that there was a purge person listening to her supporting

purge person listening to her supporting

purge person listening to her supporting her shouldn’t have felt relieved in

her shouldn’t have felt relieved in

her shouldn’t have felt relieved in another story that we recorded in huge

another story that we recorded in huge

another story that we recorded in huge enero let users to experience the

enero let users to experience the

enero let users to experience the perspective of mahadeva Maria dava is

perspective of mahadeva Maria dava is

perspective of mahadeva Maria dava is the mother of Tiago kids that with 19

the mother of Tiago kids that with 19

the mother of Tiago kids that with 19 years old was cute by watchman related

years old was cute by watchman related

years old was cute by watchman related to the police he was a hard work young

to the police he was a hard work young

to the police he was a hard work young black men tortured and killed in front

black men tortured and killed in front

black men tortured and killed in front of his house without being able to

of his house without being able to

of his house without being able to identify himself through the body of

identify himself through the body of

identify himself through the body of Mahadeva users could feel the absence of

Mahadeva users could feel the absence of

Mahadeva users could feel the absence of Tiago in a family’s life the verses that

Tiago in a family’s life the verses that

Tiago in a family’s life the verses that were not celebrated the dreams that were

were not celebrated the dreams that were

were not celebrated the dreams that were not chipped

not chipped

not chipped a set reality in a country where

a set reality in a country where

a set reality in a country where seventy-seven percent of assassinations

seventy-seven percent of assassinations

seventy-seven percent of assassinations among young men happens with dark people

among young men happens with dark people

among young men happens with dark people with black people at the end of the

with black people at the end of the

with black people at the end of the experience you actually can hear the

experience you actually can hear the

experience you actually can hear the advice of this mother asking us to not

advice of this mother asking us to not

advice of this mother asking us to not just understand her perspective but also

just understand her perspective but also

just understand her perspective but also the reality of so many policemen that

the reality of so many policemen that

the reality of so many policemen that has been killed in the drug world making

has been killed in the drug world making

has been killed in the drug world making it so clear to us how senseless is the

it so clear to us how senseless is the

it so clear to us how senseless is the war against drugs in Rio de Rey that is

war against drugs in Rio de Rey that is

war against drugs in Rio de Rey that is conducted right now Maria oops sorry

conducted right now Maria oops sorry

conducted right now Maria oops sorry Maria darvas compassion advice is

Maria darvas compassion advice is

Maria darvas compassion advice is actually scientifically correct

actually scientifically correct

actually scientifically correct compassion practice have been shown our

compassion practice have been shown our

compassion practice have been shown our way to not just relieve the pain of the

way to not just relieve the pain of the

way to not just relieve the pain of the others but to increase our own

others but to increase our own

others but to increase our own well-being as individuals and as a

well-being as individuals and as a

well-being as individuals and as a society

the experience with the machine to be

the experience with the machine to be another to not frame only pain we have

another to not frame only pain we have

another to not frame only pain we have collecting several beautiful stories

collecting several beautiful stories

collecting several beautiful stories about love friendship memories dreams

about love friendship memories dreams

about love friendship memories dreams but even when there is a sad story you

but even when there is a sad story you

but even when there is a sad story you can always find amazing and inspiring

can always find amazing and inspiring

can always find amazing and inspiring examples of people that guide you

examples of people that guide you

examples of people that guide you pointing to a potential action that you

pointing to a potential action that you

pointing to a potential action that you can take actions very simple like

can take actions very simple like

can take actions very simple like understanding a problem through a

understanding a problem through a

understanding a problem through a broader perspective actions that may

broader perspective actions that may

broader perspective actions that may help people to go a little bit beyond

people like the Maria when journalists

people like the Maria when journalists from El Pais that went to huge janeiro

from El Pais that went to huge janeiro

from El Pais that went to huge janeiro and swap it bodies with risk loud young

and swap it bodies with risk loud young

and swap it bodies with risk loud young sweetman living very very hard

sweetman living very very hard

sweetman living very very hard conditions in a favela she was so

conditions in a favela she was so

conditions in a favela she was so touched that writing the story was not

touched that writing the story was not

touched that writing the story was not enough for her so she actually

enough for her so she actually

enough for her so she actually personally engaged and talked a lot of

personally engaged and talked a lot of

personally engaged and talked a lot of people and manage and helped him to find

people and manage and helped him to find

people and manage and helped him to find his first job helping him to support his

his first job helping him to support his

his first job helping him to support his kids this methodology that we have been

kids this methodology that we have been

kids this methodology that we have been using over four years now it’s been

using over four years now it’s been

using over four years now it’s been applied for addressing integration

applied for addressing integration

applied for addressing integration between migrants and Europeans in Europe

between migrants and Europeans in Europe

between migrants and Europeans in Europe through stations of the machine to be

through stations of the machine to be

through stations of the machine to be another in libraries cultural center

another in libraries cultural center

another in libraries cultural center she-bird Civic Center’s we will let

she-bird Civic Center’s we will let

she-bird Civic Center’s we will let users to access an archive of life

users to access an archive of life

users to access an archive of life stories with different perspectives and

stories with different perspectives and

stories with different perspectives and also to swap bodies and averages in real

also to swap bodies and averages in real

also to swap bodies and averages in real time

besides understanding each other’s

besides understanding each other’s perspective were also connecting with

perspective were also connecting with

perspective were also connecting with local grassroots institutions that will

local grassroots institutions that will

local grassroots institutions that will facilitate the engagement into concrete

facilitate the engagement into concrete

facilitate the engagement into concrete action so we do all this work because

action so we do all this work because

action so we do all this work because you truly believe that when you put

you truly believe that when you put

you truly believe that when you put ourselves in the shoes of the other rare

ourselves in the shoes of the other rare

ourselves in the shoes of the other rare already are creating a social change

already are creating a social change

already are creating a social change we’re already are creating a society

we’re already are creating a society

we’re already are creating a society that it’s at least a little bit more

that it’s at least a little bit more

that it’s at least a little bit more fraternal able to take simple actions to

fraternal able to take simple actions to

fraternal able to take simple actions to hold clearer opinions that can actually

hold clearer opinions that can actually

hold clearer opinions that can actually help to change the life of many people

help to change the life of many people

help to change the life of many people in need thank

in need thank

in need thank [Applause]

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