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Sea Watch: Just doing the right thing | Frank Dörner | TEDxTUBerlin


so thank you thanks a lot also for the

so thank you thanks a lot also for the speak reform and I think it’s maybe time

speak reform and I think it’s maybe time

speak reform and I think it’s maybe time again to also realize that what we see

again to also realize that what we see

again to also realize that what we see is maybe only reality for parts of the

is maybe only reality for parts of the

is maybe only reality for parts of the world I want to talk to you about doing

world I want to talk to you about doing

world I want to talk to you about doing the right thing because a lot of people

the right thing because a lot of people

the right thing because a lot of people who won’t have the opportunity to be

who won’t have the opportunity to be

who won’t have the opportunity to be less working and easy living and there

less working and easy living and there

less working and easy living and there for them it’s not the best time ever

for them it’s not the best time ever

for them it’s not the best time ever okay imagine you’re in a crisis

okay imagine you’re in a crisis

okay imagine you’re in a crisis situation in your country you are

situation in your country you are

situation in your country you are fleeing because there’s no hope for you

fleeing because there’s no hope for you

fleeing because there’s no hope for you and you’re crossing a desert you’re

and you’re crossing a desert you’re

and you’re crossing a desert you’re leaving it’ll be left behind you see a

leaving it’ll be left behind you see a

leaving it’ll be left behind you see a lot of deaths suffering around you and

lot of deaths suffering around you and

lot of deaths suffering around you and suddenly arrive in front of this big

suddenly arrive in front of this big

suddenly arrive in front of this big ocean and you wonder you only know a

ocean and you wonder you only know a

ocean and you wonder you only know a little lake in your regional environment

little lake in your regional environment

little lake in your regional environment you could see the other side here’s a

you could see the other side here’s a

you could see the other side here’s a notion you cannot imagine how big it is

notion you cannot imagine how big it is

notion you cannot imagine how big it is and the only thing you know is that you

and the only thing you know is that you

and the only thing you know is that you cannot swim because you never had a

cannot swim because you never had a

cannot swim because you never had a chance to learn that so suddenly you

chance to learn that so suddenly you

chance to learn that so suddenly you find yourself on a rubber boat like this

find yourself on a rubber boat like this

find yourself on a rubber boat like this with 120 people it’s hot it’s enormously

with 120 people it’s hot it’s enormously

with 120 people it’s hot it’s enormously hot there’s no shadow people get sick

hot there’s no shadow people get sick

hot there’s no shadow people get sick there’s no way to lay down because

there’s no way to lay down because

there’s no way to lay down because they’re so cramped and packed and

they’re so cramped and packed and

they’re so cramped and packed and suddenly somebody starts screaming

suddenly somebody starts screaming

suddenly somebody starts screaming saying well there’s a boat there’s a

saying well there’s a boat there’s a

saying well there’s a boat there’s a boat and people start fighting this is

boat and people start fighting this is

boat and people start fighting this is the image I kept in mind when I heard

the image I kept in mind when I heard

the image I kept in mind when I heard about all those people trying to cross a

about all those people trying to cross a

about all those people trying to cross a Mediterranean in 2014 all those

Mediterranean in 2014 all those

Mediterranean in 2014 all those capsizing boats all these deaths

capsizing boats all these deaths

capsizing boats all these deaths drowning people by the hundreds in the

drowning people by the hundreds in the

drowning people by the hundreds in the Mediterranean and I thought to myself

Mediterranean and I thought to myself

Mediterranean and I thought to myself also what what can one do about it no

also what what can one do about it no

also what what can one do about it no idea no idea and then I still remember

idea no idea and then I still remember

idea no idea and then I still remember that day it was in May 2015

that day it was in May 2015

that day it was in May 2015 great day standing on this shower

great day standing on this shower

great day standing on this shower listening to this radio interview and I

listening to this radio interview and I

listening to this radio interview and I heard the most simple answer to this

heard the most simple answer to this

heard the most simple answer to this complex question somewhat just go out

complex question somewhat just go out

complex question somewhat just go out with a boat be where the people

with a boat be where the people

with a boat be where the people our suffering and tried to assistance

our suffering and tried to assistance

our suffering and tried to assistance helps as many as possible seemed obvious

helps as many as possible seemed obvious

helps as many as possible seemed obvious haven’t thought about it and so

haven’t thought about it and so

haven’t thought about it and so straightaway yes this is exactly what

straightaway yes this is exactly what

straightaway yes this is exactly what you should do you also best prepare for

you should do you also best prepare for

you should do you also best prepare for this you have never been on a boat

this you have never been on a boat

this you have never been on a boat length than a couple of hours you don’t

length than a couple of hours you don’t

length than a couple of hours you don’t know how to navigate you don’t even know

know how to navigate you don’t even know

know how to navigate you don’t even know how to call the back of the front of a

how to call the back of the front of a

how to call the back of the front of a boat Frank this is for you well on the

boat Frank this is for you well on the

boat Frank this is for you well on the other end I thought well you have been

other end I thought well you have been

other end I thought well you have been in a lot of crisis situations around the

in a lot of crisis situations around the

in a lot of crisis situations around the world so maybe it’s not much worse than

world so maybe it’s not much worse than

world so maybe it’s not much worse than being an enabler treatment center

being an enabler treatment center

being an enabler treatment center because forget all your daily routine

because forget all your daily routine

because forget all your daily routine forget what you learned every move is

forget what you learned every move is

forget what you learned every move is dangerous so what you need is your

dangerous so what you need is your

dangerous so what you need is your imagination what you need is the will to

imagination what you need is the will to

imagination what you need is the will to do something new and the conviction that

do something new and the conviction that

do something new and the conviction that what you do is right and then I found

what you do is right and then I found

what you do is right and then I found myself a couple of days later somehow in

myself a couple of days later somehow in

myself a couple of days later somehow in contact with Seawatch the organization

contact with Seawatch the organization

contact with Seawatch the organization behind that idea and looking at this

behind that idea and looking at this

behind that idea and looking at this boat in Hamburg where it was for

boat in Hamburg where it was for

boat in Hamburg where it was for refurbishment to be made ready for the

refurbishment to be made ready for the

refurbishment to be made ready for the big sea and I realized this is a 100

big sea and I realized this is a 100

big sea and I realized this is a 100 years old fishing trawler it has been

years old fishing trawler it has been

years old fishing trawler it has been lately used just as a house boat and

lately used just as a house boat and

lately used just as a house boat and this is supposed to be on the ocean and

this is supposed to be on the ocean and

this is supposed to be on the ocean and you whiz it well great idea I talked

you whiz it well great idea I talked

you whiz it well great idea I talked with some people about it and my parents

with some people about it and my parents

with some people about it and my parents even they told me very bluntly listen

even they told me very bluntly listen

even they told me very bluntly listen you do that you will be amongst the

you do that you will be amongst the

you do that you will be amongst the first to be rescued

first to be rescued

first to be rescued well a couple of months later we met an

well a couple of months later we met an

well a couple of months later we met an Lamba doozer our team of eight first

Lamba doozer our team of eight first

Lamba doozer our team of eight first time we came together and the ballot

time we came together and the ballot

time we came together and the ballot looked very beautiful we were very happy

looked very beautiful we were very happy

looked very beautiful we were very happy that this museum boat made it up to that

that this museum boat made it up to that

that this museum boat made it up to that armed place come on

armed place come on

armed place come on looks beautiful but it’s not made for

looks beautiful but it’s not made for

looks beautiful but it’s not made for sea rescue you can imagine we went close

sea rescue you can imagine we went close

sea rescue you can imagine we went close to the Libyan Coast

to the Libyan Coast

to the Libyan Coast 24 miles on in front of the shores of

24 miles on in front of the shores of

24 miles on in front of the shores of Libya and I was so astonished to see so

Libya and I was so astonished to see so

Libya and I was so astonished to see so many boats already just without

many boats already just without

many boats already just without binoculars from the top of our

binoculars from the top of our

binoculars from the top of our wheelhouse in the mornings you saw these

wheelhouse in the mornings you saw these

wheelhouse in the mornings you saw these boats coming in and then you knew it was

boats coming in and then you knew it was

boats coming in and then you knew it was question

question

question time you had to be fast we put out our

time you had to be fast we put out our

time you had to be fast we put out our speedboats we went close to the boats

speedboats we went close to the boats

speedboats we went close to the boats tried to talk to the people avoiding

tried to talk to the people avoiding

tried to talk to the people avoiding mass panic keeping distance from the big

mass panic keeping distance from the big

mass panic keeping distance from the big boat so people don’t feel that they had

boat so people don’t feel that they had

boat so people don’t feel that they had to jump straight on but sometimes it was

to jump straight on but sometimes it was

to jump straight on but sometimes it was also a situation where you couldn’t just

also a situation where you couldn’t just

also a situation where you couldn’t just hand out life west because the boats

hand out life west because the boats

hand out life west because the boats start sink already imagine here on this

start sink already imagine here on this

start sink already imagine here on this boat on this ocean a lot of people

boat on this ocean a lot of people

boat on this ocean a lot of people cannot swim and the tubes are losing air

cannot swim and the tubes are losing air

cannot swim and the tubes are losing air that it’s a really a question you’re you

that it’s a really a question you’re you

that it’s a really a question you’re you have to run ah and what we had was just

have to run ah and what we had was just

have to run ah and what we had was just used life rafts we had to put people on

used life rafts we had to put people on

used life rafts we had to put people on was quite difficult because we didn’t

was quite difficult because we didn’t

was quite difficult because we didn’t have enough money to really buy new one

have enough money to really buy new one

have enough money to really buy new one so sometimes it didn’t work the way they

so sometimes it didn’t work the way they

so sometimes it didn’t work the way they should

should

should improvisation was unneeded not perfect

improvisation was unneeded not perfect

improvisation was unneeded not perfect and even worse Oh sometimes also the

and even worse Oh sometimes also the

and even worse Oh sometimes also the need to treat people this was the only

need to treat people this was the only

need to treat people this was the only table we had on our boat to treat people

table we had on our boat to treat people

table we had on our boat to treat people in the morning we used it as breakfast

in the morning we used it as breakfast

in the morning we used it as breakfast table in the mess and afterwards when we

table in the mess and afterwards when we

table in the mess and afterwards when we needed to have a place for people to be

needed to have a place for people to be

needed to have a place for people to be treated we used it as well again not

treated we used it as well again not

treated we used it as well again not perfect what it worked and then during

perfect what it worked and then during

perfect what it worked and then during that times I still remember very clearly

that times I still remember very clearly

that times I still remember very clearly we had to advocate all these people then

we had to advocate all these people then

we had to advocate all these people then on bigger boats you see here one of

on bigger boats you see here one of

on bigger boats you see here one of these things which is really a nightmare

these things which is really a nightmare

these things which is really a nightmare for myself huge tanker 300 meters long

for myself huge tanker 300 meters long

for myself huge tanker 300 meters long 20 more meters high board wall and I’m

20 more meters high board wall and I’m

20 more meters high board wall and I’m climbing this up because I needed some

climbing this up because I needed some

climbing this up because I needed some medical support on this to bring up 75

medical support on this to bring up 75

medical support on this to bring up 75 puke dehydrated people there but you

puke dehydrated people there but you

puke dehydrated people there but you have to know that usually at 3 meters

have to know that usually at 3 meters

have to know that usually at 3 meters height I start crying so this was really

height I start crying so this was really

height I start crying so this was really a completely new experience and you feel

a completely new experience and you feel

a completely new experience and you feel you can overcome this is what’s really

you can overcome this is what’s really

you can overcome this is what’s really needed reality also was this but we

needed reality also was this but we

needed reality also was this but we often were confronted quite a lot with

often were confronted quite a lot with

often were confronted quite a lot with some military actors trying to defend

some military actors trying to defend

some military actors trying to defend the European borders sometimes they’ll

the European borders sometimes they’ll

the European borders sometimes they’ll help sometimes we had difficulties with

help sometimes we had difficulties with

help sometimes we had difficulties with them also reality we realized in 2015

them also reality we realized in 2015

them also reality we realized in 2015 that not only Mediterranean area was the

that not only Mediterranean area was the

that not only Mediterranean area was the places where people were fleeing and

places where people were fleeing and

places where people were fleeing and dying but also between Turkey and Greece

dying but also between Turkey and Greece

dying but also between Turkey and Greece a lot of people were crossing so we

a lot of people were crossing so we

a lot of people were crossing so we thought well

thought well

thought well what can we do we started operations

what can we do we started operations

what can we do we started operations also there with a completely different

also there with a completely different

also there with a completely different approach we didn’t know again how to do

approach we didn’t know again how to do

approach we didn’t know again how to do that we use speedboats because there’s

that we use speedboats because there’s

that we use speedboats because there’s only seven nautical miles between Greece

only seven nautical miles between Greece

only seven nautical miles between Greece and Turkey and you have to be quick it

and Turkey and you have to be quick it

and Turkey and you have to be quick it was partly in winter when the wind water

was partly in winter when the wind water

was partly in winter when the wind water was very cold and people going into the

was very cold and people going into the

was very cold and people going into the water were almost about to dying so a

water were almost about to dying so a

water were almost about to dying so a completely different way of dealing with

completely different way of dealing with

completely different way of dealing with things here you see people arriving here

things here you see people arriving here

things here you see people arriving here and you see here different it looks nice

and you see here different it looks nice

and you see here different it looks nice when you are in the well dressed suit

when you are in the well dressed suit

when you are in the well dressed suit but it is not nice when you have to

but it is not nice when you have to

but it is not nice when you have to cross with your beloved in a very small

cross with your beloved in a very small

cross with your beloved in a very small boat moving and it’s getting cold and

boat moving and it’s getting cold and

boat moving and it’s getting cold and dirty weather this all stopped only when

dirty weather this all stopped only when

dirty weather this all stopped only when the dirty deal between Turkey and the U

the dirty deal between Turkey and the U

the dirty deal between Turkey and the U was put into place in May this year well

was put into place in May this year well

was put into place in May this year well fortunately also good news happened we

fortunately also good news happened we

fortunately also good news happened we got a lot of donation a lot of media

got a lot of donation a lot of media

got a lot of donation a lot of media recognition we were able to buy a bigger

recognition we were able to buy a bigger

recognition we were able to buy a bigger ship buy that this is good and also

ship buy that this is good and also

ship buy that this is good and also others followed in 2016 our example and

others followed in 2016 our example and

others followed in 2016 our example and so we had more civil society boats in

so we had more civil society boats in

so we had more civil society boats in the Mediterranean to rescue people on

the Mediterranean to rescue people on

the Mediterranean to rescue people on the other hand we should be very clear

the other hand we should be very clear

the other hand we should be very clear 2016 is the most deadliest year ever in

2016 is the most deadliest year ever in

2016 is the most deadliest year ever in the Mediterranean for refugees and

the Mediterranean for refugees and

the Mediterranean for refugees and migrants fleeing over this water already

migrants fleeing over this water already

migrants fleeing over this water already more than 4,600 people died this year

more than 4,600 people died this year

more than 4,600 people died this year and these are just the official figures

so I still remember very much when I in

so I still remember very much when I in September I was on board and I met these

September I was on board and I met these

September I was on board and I met these Somali guys 15 16 years old and they

Somali guys 15 16 years old and they

Somali guys 15 16 years old and they were just telling me their story and

were just telling me their story and

were just telling me their story and they told me listen we have been for

they told me listen we have been for

they told me listen we have been for months one even up to one year in

months one even up to one year in

months one even up to one year in kidnapped not close to Tripoli we were

kidnapped not close to Tripoli we were

kidnapped not close to Tripoli we were just there to be tortured to be

just there to be tortured to be

just there to be tortured to be mistreated and took all our families so

mistreated and took all our families so

mistreated and took all our families so that they can even send more money for

that they can even send more money for

that they can even send more money for us to be somehow not killed and then

us to be somehow not killed and then

us to be somehow not killed and then when they were completely squeezed out

when they were completely squeezed out

when they were completely squeezed out and there was sick really sick they

and there was sick really sick they

and there was sick really sick they couldn’t walk anymore they were throwing

couldn’t walk anymore they were throwing

couldn’t walk anymore they were throwing them on the boat and this was a moment

them on the boat and this was a moment

them on the boat and this was a moment we met them so awful situation you

we met them so awful situation you

we met them so awful situation you imagine I had this 15 year guys

imagine I had this 15 year guys

imagine I had this 15 year guys and you could just put with two fingers

and you could just put with two fingers

and you could just put with two fingers around his upper arm and this was the

around his upper arm and this was the

around his upper arm and this was the size in the skinny he stayed had

size in the skinny he stayed had

size in the skinny he stayed had incredible situation for us we also

incredible situation for us we also

incredible situation for us we also sought and realized that less help was

sought and realized that less help was

sought and realized that less help was coming from other sites the Europeans

coming from other sites the Europeans

coming from other sites the Europeans withdraw their help more and more so we

withdraw their help more and more so we

withdraw their help more and more so we have to keep people more on our boat and

have to keep people more on our boat and

have to keep people more on our boat and this is a difficult situation you can

this is a difficult situation you can

this is a difficult situation you can imagine 120 people being under this

imagine 120 people being under this

imagine 120 people being under this shading somehow in the night and water

shading somehow in the night and water

shading somehow in the night and water is coming over because waves are getting

is coming over because waves are getting

is coming over because waves are getting high it’s raining it’s cold and people

high it’s raining it’s cold and people

high it’s raining it’s cold and people have to move there is a high risk people

have to move there is a high risk people

have to move there is a high risk people fall overboard but there was really a

fall overboard but there was really a

fall overboard but there was really a lot of negligence on the side of

lot of negligence on the side of

lot of negligence on the side of officials but there’s even more the risk

officials but there’s even more the risk

officials but there’s even more the risk of criminalization is happening Libyan

of criminalization is happening Libyan

of criminalization is happening Libyan Coast Guard interfere in some areas and

Coast Guard interfere in some areas and

Coast Guard interfere in some areas and it was quite dangerous

it was quite dangerous

it was quite dangerous they both of Doctors Without Borders

they both of Doctors Without Borders

they both of Doctors Without Borders even got shot at well we see also this

even got shot at well we see also this

even got shot at well we see also this is a political issue we see at this very

is a political issue we see at this very

is a political issue we see at this very moment criminalization and more of

moment criminalization and more of

moment criminalization and more of refugees at this very moment is

refugees at this very moment is

refugees at this very moment is happening between Europe and all the

happening between Europe and all the

happening between Europe and all the others in the debate we see that also

others in the debate we see that also

others in the debate we see that also there is a high risk that is legal

there is a high risk that is legal

there is a high risk that is legal discussion around who is supposed to

discussion around who is supposed to

discussion around who is supposed to come here is a risk for those help us is

come here is a risk for those help us is

come here is a risk for those help us is a risk for NGOs also to become part of

a risk for NGOs also to become part of

a risk for NGOs also to become part of that to me made responsible it sounds

that to me made responsible it sounds

that to me made responsible it sounds insane but on the other hand this is a

insane but on the other hand this is a

insane but on the other hand this is a very clear political intent behind that

very clear political intent behind that

very clear political intent behind that so we discussed of course what can we do

so we discussed of course what can we do

so we discussed of course what can we do about it and we thought first well if we

about it and we thought first well if we

about it and we thought first well if we don’t know what is exactly happening on

don’t know what is exactly happening on

don’t know what is exactly happening on the ground then go up above look for me

the ground then go up above look for me

the ground then go up above look for me above sea watch air something we need it

above sea watch air something we need it

above sea watch air something we need it try to satellite didn’t work we bought a

try to satellite didn’t work we bought a

try to satellite didn’t work we bought a plane well hopefully is working if it’s

plane well hopefully is working if it’s

plane well hopefully is working if it’s not working we are going for speedboats

not working we are going for speedboats

not working we are going for speedboats flying speedboats

flying speedboats

flying speedboats there is no joke it’s really a valid

there is no joke it’s really a valid

there is no joke it’s really a valid option so what the future like we think

option so what the future like we think

option so what the future like we think well we need better coordination we will

well we need better coordination we will

well we need better coordination we will have and develop our own software we

have and develop our own software we

have and develop our own software we will be diverse also in trying to make

will be diverse also in trying to make

will be diverse also in trying to make Seawatch air working we will not become

Seawatch air working we will not become

Seawatch air working we will not become a fleet of different boats but we will

a fleet of different boats but we will

a fleet of different boats but we will put a lot of political pressure and that

put a lot of political pressure and that

put a lot of political pressure and that means we need also all of

means we need also all of

means we need also all of you because a new perspective is very

you because a new perspective is very

you because a new perspective is very clear there’s less militarization more

clear there’s less militarization more

clear there’s less militarization more ferries for people to come over it’s

ferries for people to come over it’s

ferries for people to come over it’s very clear that this is a human

very clear that this is a human

very clear that this is a human humanitarian crisis we’re talking about

humanitarian crisis we’re talking about

humanitarian crisis we’re talking about at this very moment so safe passage

at this very moment so safe passage

at this very moment so safe passage that’s the new perspective what can we

that’s the new perspective what can we

that’s the new perspective what can we do about that what can all of us do

do about that what can all of us do

do about that what can all of us do about well I guess just follow maybe the

about well I guess just follow maybe the

about well I guess just follow maybe the Seawatch approach just take and tackle

Seawatch approach just take and tackle

Seawatch approach just take and tackle complex reality with a simple answer do

complex reality with a simple answer do

complex reality with a simple answer do and start doing something just by the

and start doing something just by the

and start doing something just by the start and try to elaborate during the

start and try to elaborate during the

start and try to elaborate during the course of the let’s say implementation

course of the let’s say implementation

course of the let’s say implementation show it to others and make sure that

show it to others and make sure that

show it to others and make sure that they are falling you’re not alone that

they are falling you’re not alone that

they are falling you’re not alone that is for clear use your manager

is for clear use your manager

is for clear use your manager imagination and the willingness to do

imagination and the willingness to do

imagination and the willingness to do something new and make sure that you’re

something new and make sure that you’re

something new and make sure that you’re really convinced that what you’re doing

really convinced that what you’re doing

really convinced that what you’re doing is right thank you

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