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Raising Rebels | Dr Justin Coulson | TEDxMelbourne


[Applause]

[Applause] as the society we have got a confusing

as the society we have got a confusing

as the society we have got a confusing relationship with the idea of rebels and

relationship with the idea of rebels and

relationship with the idea of rebels and rebellion so close to home if we have a

rebellion so close to home if we have a

rebellion so close to home if we have a rebel sitting in front of us in our

rebel sitting in front of us in our

rebel sitting in front of us in our living room I think it’s probably fair

living room I think it’s probably fair

living room I think it’s probably fair to say that we struggle we find it

to say that we struggle we find it

to say that we struggle we find it challenging and yet we love stories

challenging and yet we love stories

challenging and yet we love stories about rebels we love their conviction

about rebels we love their conviction

about rebels we love their conviction will have their courage we love how

will have their courage we love how

will have their courage we love how they’re so willing to stand firm and

they’re so willing to stand firm and

they’re so willing to stand firm and strong and steadfast in the face of so

strong and steadfast in the face of so

strong and steadfast in the face of so much opposition you know the whole world

much opposition you know the whole world

much opposition you know the whole world can be against and their communities can

can be against and their communities can

can be against and their communities can turn against them their friends can

turn against them their friends can

turn against them their friends can desert them even families can turn

desert them even families can turn

desert them even families can turn against these rebels and yet they stand

against these rebels and yet they stand

against these rebels and yet they stand firm unflinching unmoving and they’re

firm unflinching unmoving and they’re

firm unflinching unmoving and they’re doing credible things I think that we

doing credible things I think that we

doing credible things I think that we love the idea of rebels so much because

love the idea of rebels so much because

love the idea of rebels so much because sometimes we’ve heard the end from the

sometimes we’ve heard the end from the

sometimes we’ve heard the end from the beginning

beginning

beginning we know how it turns out and so we know

we know how it turns out and so we know

we know how it turns out and so we know we can love them because of what they

we can love them because of what they

we can love them because of what they did going through it might have been

did going through it might have been

did going through it might have been different but you know we make movies

different but you know we make movies

different but you know we make movies about rebels we write books about rebels

about rebels we write books about rebels

about rebels we write books about rebels and their stories become part of

and their stories become part of

and their stories become part of folklore well my wife and I are the

folklore well my wife and I are the

folklore well my wife and I are the parents of six children I know I get

parents of six children I know I get

parents of six children I know I get that response to lightest 2017 we have

that response to lightest 2017 we have

that response to lightest 2017 we have six kids I look like a rebel don’t I by

six kids I look like a rebel don’t I by

six kids I look like a rebel don’t I by when I walked out you thought yeah rebel

when I walked out you thought yeah rebel

when I walked out you thought yeah rebel he looks like trouble and if you if you

he looks like trouble and if you if you

he looks like trouble and if you if you pay attention you’ll note that those six

pay attention you’ll note that those six

pay attention you’ll note that those six children are all girls

children are all girls

children are all girls I know yeah not sure how we did that but

I know yeah not sure how we did that but

I know yeah not sure how we did that but we’re delighted and we are absolutely

we’re delighted and we are absolutely

we’re delighted and we are absolutely crazy about them like most parents

crazy about them like most parents

crazy about them like most parents usually usually are about their children

usually usually are about their children

usually usually are about their children because we have six daughters we

because we have six daughters we

because we have six daughters we recently bought a book that’s been quite

recently bought a book that’s been quite

recently bought a book that’s been quite popular lately about raising rebel girls

popular lately about raising rebel girls

popular lately about raising rebel girls because we want our girls to be who they

because we want our girls to be who they

because we want our girls to be who they want to be to be what they want to be

want to be to be what they want to be

want to be to be what they want to be but from time to time we find ourselves

but from time to time we find ourselves

but from time to time we find ourselves in that same conflicted position when

in that same conflicted position when

in that same conflicted position when we’re sitting in our living room

we’re sitting in our living room

we’re sitting in our living room opposite a living breathing rebel

opposite a living breathing rebel

opposite a living breathing rebel sitting on the couch opposite us

sitting on the couch opposite us

sitting on the couch opposite us thinking for herself independently and

thinking for herself independently and

thinking for herself independently and we have three teenagers right now and

we have three teenagers right now and

we have three teenagers right now and another three to come so in spite of

another three to come so in spite of

another three to come so in spite of that conflict and challenge the idea

that conflict and challenge the idea

that conflict and challenge the idea that I really want to live with you

that I really want to live with you

that I really want to live with you today is this we need more rebels

today is this we need more rebels

today is this we need more rebels we need to raise more children who are

we need to raise more children who are

we need to raise more children who are willing to think for themselves rather

willing to think for themselves rather

willing to think for themselves rather than bowing down to the God of popular

than bowing down to the God of popular

than bowing down to the God of popular opinion and getting swept up in that

opinion and getting swept up in that

opinion and getting swept up in that current that sweeps them and all of

current that sweeps them and all of

current that sweeps them and all of their friends down the path of least

their friends down the path of least

their friends down the path of least resistance now in in the interest of

resistance now in in the interest of

resistance now in in the interest of empathy I know that some of you in this

empathy I know that some of you in this

empathy I know that some of you in this room have children who have rebelled and

room have children who have rebelled and

room have children who have rebelled and and it has not given you cause to

and it has not given you cause to

and it has not given you cause to celebrate rather your hearts have broken

celebrate rather your hearts have broken

celebrate rather your hearts have broken you’ve lost sleep and going through

you’ve lost sleep and going through

you’ve lost sleep and going through torment and challenging pain so I want

torment and challenging pain so I want

torment and challenging pain so I want to describe exactly what I mean when I

to describe exactly what I mean when I

to describe exactly what I mean when I say we need to raise more rebels because

say we need to raise more rebels because

say we need to raise more rebels because there are two kinds of rebels there is

there are two kinds of rebels there is

there are two kinds of rebels there is the reflexive rebel now this is the

the reflexive rebel now this is the

the reflexive rebel now this is the typical teenage rebel without a cause

typical teenage rebel without a cause

typical teenage rebel without a cause this is what most of us have been at

this is what most of us have been at

this is what most of us have been at some point in our lives of course most

some point in our lives of course most

some point in our lives of course most of us would just that for a very short

of us would just that for a very short

of us would just that for a very short period of her lives but this is the you

period of her lives but this is the you

period of her lives but this is the you can’t tell me what to do it’s my life

can’t tell me what to do it’s my life

can’t tell me what to do it’s my life I’ll do what I want kind of rebel this

I’ll do what I want kind of rebel this

I’ll do what I want kind of rebel this is the it doesn’t matter what you say I

is the it doesn’t matter what you say I

is the it doesn’t matter what you say I insist on my right to run my knuckles

insist on my right to run my knuckles

insist on my right to run my knuckles down the cheese grater about all life

down the cheese grater about all life

down the cheese grater about all life kind of rebel and and and I don’t know

kind of rebel and and and I don’t know

kind of rebel and and and I don’t know if you’ve noticed this but when our

if you’ve noticed this but when our

if you’ve noticed this but when our children start to reflexively rebel what

children start to reflexively rebel what

children start to reflexively rebel what do we do we’ve become more controlling

do we do we’ve become more controlling

do we do we’ve become more controlling we say no no no I’m in charge here and

we say no no no I’m in charge here and

we say no no no I’m in charge here and our force creates resistance our

our force creates resistance our

our force creates resistance our authoritarian ism actually creates

authoritarian ism actually creates

authoritarian ism actually creates reflexive rebellion and in some cases

reflexive rebellion and in some cases

reflexive rebellion and in some cases the cheese grater isn’t enough and they

the cheese grater isn’t enough and they

the cheese grater isn’t enough and they start sprinting for the airplane

start sprinting for the airplane

start sprinting for the airplane propeller of the adult world and what

propeller of the adult world and what

propeller of the adult world and what happens is we create this foundation of

happens is we create this foundation of

happens is we create this foundation of ruptured relationships and a mutual lack

ruptured relationships and a mutual lack

ruptured relationships and a mutual lack of respect there’s just this focus on

of respect there’s just this focus on

of respect there’s just this focus on self rather than other and there’s an

self rather than other and there’s an

self rather than other and there’s an awful lot of anger and pain for us as

awful lot of anger and pain for us as

awful lot of anger and pain for us as parents and for our children now we

parents and for our children now we

parents and for our children now we could talk about reflexive rebels for a

could talk about reflexive rebels for a

could talk about reflexive rebels for a long time but I want to talk about the

long time but I want to talk about the

long time but I want to talk about the second kind of rebel that is much more

second kind of rebel that is much more

second kind of rebel that is much more interesting to me and much more unusual

interesting to me and much more unusual

interesting to me and much more unusual and that’s what I call the reflective

and that’s what I call the reflective

and that’s what I call the reflective rebel a reflective rebel is what I think

rebel a reflective rebel is what I think

rebel a reflective rebel is what I think that we need to be encouraging our

that we need to be encouraging our

that we need to be encouraging our children to be I understand the irony by

children to be I understand the irony by

children to be I understand the irony by the

the

the Way of saying well this is how you’re

Way of saying well this is how you’re

Way of saying well this is how you’re going to rebel because if you tell a

going to rebel because if you tell a

going to rebel because if you tell a rebel how to rebuild they’ll of course

rebel how to rebuild they’ll of course

rebel how to rebuild they’ll of course go exactly the opposite way because

go exactly the opposite way because

go exactly the opposite way because force creates resistance but a

force creates resistance but a

force creates resistance but a reflective rebel thinks for themselves

reflective rebel thinks for themselves

reflective rebel thinks for themselves independently they think wisely it’s

independently they think wisely it’s

independently they think wisely it’s it’s almost like they don’t get caught

it’s almost like they don’t get caught

it’s almost like they don’t get caught up in the anger that a reflexive rebel

up in the anger that a reflexive rebel

up in the anger that a reflexive rebel possesses that leads to unwise unhelpful

possesses that leads to unwise unhelpful

possesses that leads to unwise unhelpful thinking the late author home you’re not

thinking the late author home you’re not

thinking the late author home you’re not described raising children who are

described raising children who are

described raising children who are strong and caring strong independent

strong and caring strong independent

strong and caring strong independent willing to think for themselves but

willing to think for themselves but

willing to think for themselves but caring they have that empathy so that

caring they have that empathy so that

caring they have that empathy so that their strength and independence doesn’t

their strength and independence doesn’t

their strength and independence doesn’t override and trample on others in fact a

override and trample on others in fact a

override and trample on others in fact a reflective rebel chafes and bristles

reflective rebel chafes and bristles

reflective rebel chafes and bristles when they sense inequality or

when they sense inequality or

when they sense inequality or intolerance or unkindness or unfairness

intolerance or unkindness or unfairness

intolerance or unkindness or unfairness but instead of saying well let’s torch

but instead of saying well let’s torch

but instead of saying well let’s torch the house and going off half-cocked they

the house and going off half-cocked they

the house and going off half-cocked they pause they strategize they plan for how

pause they strategize they plan for how

pause they strategize they plan for how they might make change the last for more

they might make change the last for more

they might make change the last for more than just a moment and then they grab

than just a moment and then they grab

than just a moment and then they grab the sledgehammer and they start knocking

the sledgehammer and they start knocking

the sledgehammer and they start knocking out walls and building new rooms to make

out walls and building new rooms to make

out walls and building new rooms to make the house bigger and better for

the house bigger and better for

the house bigger and better for everybody so today I want to share with

everybody so today I want to share with

everybody so today I want to share with you a story about a reflective rebel

you a story about a reflective rebel

you a story about a reflective rebel before I share the story I need to make

before I share the story I need to make

before I share the story I need to make a confession

a confession

a confession I created this reflective rebel by doing

I created this reflective rebel by doing

I created this reflective rebel by doing something that in hindsight I shouldn’t

something that in hindsight I shouldn’t

something that in hindsight I shouldn’t have done so three things before we dive

have done so three things before we dive

have done so three things before we dive into the story number one I shouldn’t

into the story number one I shouldn’t

into the story number one I shouldn’t have done what I did number two I’ve

have done what I did number two I’ve

have done what I did number two I’ve learned from it and I’ll never do it

learned from it and I’ll never do it

learned from it and I’ll never do it again and number three I just know that

again and number three I just know that

again and number three I just know that somebody’s gonna hear this story and say

somebody’s gonna hear this story and say

somebody’s gonna hear this story and say now there’s an idea don’t do it it’s

now there’s an idea don’t do it it’s

now there’s an idea don’t do it it’s unethical and I made a mistake please

unethical and I made a mistake please

unethical and I made a mistake please learn from my mistake inand just don’t

learn from my mistake inand just don’t

learn from my mistake inand just don’t go there so nowadays I I mainly give

go there so nowadays I I mainly give

go there so nowadays I I mainly give talks for living in write books and I

talks for living in write books and I

talks for living in write books and I speak to adults about well-being and

speak to adults about well-being and

speak to adults about well-being and relationships and parenting but some

relationships and parenting but some

relationships and parenting but some years ago I used to give talks to a lot

years ago I used to give talks to a lot

years ago I used to give talks to a lot of kids and an organization contacted me

of kids and an organization contacted me

of kids and an organization contacted me one day and they said hey we want you to

one day and they said hey we want you to

one day and they said hey we want you to come in and do a day’s worth of speaking

come in and do a day’s worth of speaking

come in and do a day’s worth of speaking we’ve got about 1,200 kids we’re gonna

we’ve got about 1,200 kids we’re gonna

we’ve got about 1,200 kids we’re gonna divide them into six groups and we’ll

divide them into six groups and we’ll

divide them into six groups and we’ll send them to you 200 a time do one

send them to you 200 a time do one

send them to you 200 a time do one session six times with each group

session six times with each group

session six times with each group they’re all aged between 14 and 18

they’re all aged between 14 and 18

they’re all aged between 14 and 18 here’s the brief

here’s the brief

here’s the brief helped them to make good decisions and

helped them to make good decisions and

helped them to make good decisions and stop bowing down to peer pressure easy

stop bowing down to peer pressure easy

stop bowing down to peer pressure easy no problem

no problem

no problem so as I was thinking about how to get 14

so as I was thinking about how to get 14

so as I was thinking about how to get 14 to 18 year olds to not be reflexive

to 18 year olds to not be reflexive

to 18 year olds to not be reflexive rebels to be reflective rebels and I

rebels to be reflective rebels and I

rebels to be reflective rebels and I remembered the Milgram experiment from

remembered the Milgram experiment from

remembered the Milgram experiment from the 1960s if you know the Milgram

the 1960s if you know the Milgram

the 1960s if you know the Milgram experiment you know why I’m saying don’t

experiment you know why I’m saying don’t

experiment you know why I’m saying don’t try this at home but if you don’t let me

try this at home but if you don’t let me

try this at home but if you don’t let me give you a quick bit of background

give you a quick bit of background

give you a quick bit of background Stanley Milgram did this experiment that

Stanley Milgram did this experiment that

Stanley Milgram did this experiment that has become a psychology classic and in

has become a psychology classic and in

has become a psychology classic and in the experiment he is the experimenter

the experiment he is the experimenter

the experiment he is the experimenter you walk in to participate in the

you walk in to participate in the

you walk in to participate in the experiment or I do people just like us

experiment or I do people just like us

experiment or I do people just like us and you meet the other participant in

and you meet the other participant in

and you meet the other participant in the experiment Milgram explains one of

the experiment Milgram explains one of

the experiment Milgram explains one of you will be the teacher the other will

you will be the teacher the other will

you will be the teacher the other will be the learner now we don’t have time to

be the learner now we don’t have time to

be the learner now we don’t have time to go into this in detail so I’ll explain

go into this in detail so I’ll explain

go into this in detail so I’ll explain it very briefly it’s rigged you are

it very briefly it’s rigged you are

it very briefly it’s rigged you are always going to be the teacher and the

always going to be the teacher and the

always going to be the teacher and the other person is always going to be the

other person is always going to be the

other person is always going to be the learner why because they’re friends

learner why because they’re friends

learner why because they’re friends he’s a Confederate it’s set up that way

he’s a Confederate it’s set up that way

he’s a Confederate it’s set up that way and essentially Milgram explains that

and essentially Milgram explains that

and essentially Milgram explains that this is a study of memory and learning

this is a study of memory and learning

this is a study of memory and learning and we want to see how punishment

and we want to see how punishment

and we want to see how punishment affects people’s memory and learning so

affects people’s memory and learning so

affects people’s memory and learning so you watch as the learner goes into

you watch as the learner goes into

you watch as the learner goes into another room and is strapped into an

another room and is strapped into an

another room and is strapped into an electric chair and then you sit down in

electric chair and then you sit down in

electric chair and then you sit down in front of a bench with a whole lot of

front of a bench with a whole lot of

front of a bench with a whole lot of buttons on it that represent the

buttons on it that represent the

buttons on it that represent the different voltage that you’re going to

different voltage that you’re going to

different voltage that you’re going to administer to the learner when they get

administer to the learner when they get

administer to the learner when they get your questions wrong you start

your questions wrong you start

your questions wrong you start administering the punishment the line

administering the punishment the line

administering the punishment the line starts protesting you say to Milgram we

starts protesting you say to Milgram we

starts protesting you say to Milgram we can’t do this and the experimenter says

can’t do this and the experimenter says

can’t do this and the experimenter says the experiment requires that you

the experiment requires that you

the experiment requires that you continue please continue about halfway

continue please continue about halfway

continue please continue about halfway through the protests are so loud that

through the protests are so loud that

through the protests are so loud that you beg to stop but he says please

you beg to stop but he says please

you beg to stop but he says please continue a short while later the person

continue a short while later the person

continue a short while later the person stops responding they’re unconscious or

stops responding they’re unconscious or

stops responding they’re unconscious or worse

worse

worse and yet Milgram found that even after

and yet Milgram found that even after

and yet Milgram found that even after that 65% of participants went all the

that 65% of participants went all the

that 65% of participants went all the way to the end even after there was no

way to the end even after there was no

way to the end even after there was no more response now obviously it would be

more response now obviously it would be

more response now obviously it would be unethical for me to give electric shocks

unethical for me to give electric shocks

unethical for me to give electric shocks to kids

I didn’t do that but I decided to run a

I didn’t do that but I decided to run a modified version of this experiment

modified version of this experiment

modified version of this experiment because it’s such a great object lesson

because it’s such a great object lesson

because it’s such a great object lesson I know I know I know so here’s what I

I know I know I know so here’s what I

I know I know I know so here’s what I did the first group of 200 kids came in

did the first group of 200 kids came in

did the first group of 200 kids came in and I called for two volunteers as they

and I called for two volunteers as they

and I called for two volunteers as they came forward I picked a couple at random

came forward I picked a couple at random

came forward I picked a couple at random they came for they stood there all

they came for they stood there all

they came for they stood there all excited because I love volunteering and

excited because I love volunteering and

excited because I love volunteering and you know they’re fun kids and I said to

you know they’re fun kids and I said to

you know they’re fun kids and I said to one of them you’re going to be the

one of them you’re going to be the

one of them you’re going to be the teacher

teacher

teacher here are five trivia questions you ask

here are five trivia questions you ask

here are five trivia questions you ask the learner these five trivia questions

the learner these five trivia questions

the learner these five trivia questions you’re going to be the learner

you’re going to be the learner

you’re going to be the learner here are some elastic bands put them

here are some elastic bands put them

here are some elastic bands put them around your wrist every time you get a

around your wrist every time you get a

around your wrist every time you get a question wrong you get this short sharp

question wrong you get this short sharp

question wrong you get this short sharp punishment for not knowing the answer

punishment for not knowing the answer

punishment for not knowing the answer five trivia questions five potential

five trivia questions five potential

five trivia questions five potential punishments make sense and the teacher

punishments make sense and the teacher

punishments make sense and the teacher is the one who’s administering the

is the one who’s administering the

is the one who’s administering the punishment much more ethical like I said

punishment much more ethical like I said

punishment much more ethical like I said never again anyway the first experiment

never again anyway the first experiment

never again anyway the first experiment went off without a hitch

went off without a hitch

went off without a hitch they just followed my instructions to

they just followed my instructions to

they just followed my instructions to the letter no questioning just did it

the letter no questioning just did it

the letter no questioning just did it second experiment likewise third group

second experiment likewise third group

second experiment likewise third group that came through and I’m starting to

that came through and I’m starting to

that came through and I’m starting to wonder if this is such a good idea

wonder if this is such a good idea

wonder if this is such a good idea the kids come forward that I’ve selected

the kids come forward that I’ve selected

the kids come forward that I’ve selected teacher learner and I said hello and the

teacher learner and I said hello and the

teacher learner and I said hello and the kid who’s the teacher is like six foot

kid who’s the teacher is like six foot

kid who’s the teacher is like six foot two and 120 kilos he’s huge and the

two and 120 kilos he’s huge and the

two and 120 kilos he’s huge and the learner is five foot nothing in 40 kilos

learner is five foot nothing in 40 kilos

learner is five foot nothing in 40 kilos she’s tiny he asked the first question

she’s tiny he asked the first question

she’s tiny he asked the first question she has no idea of the answer he reaches

she has no idea of the answer he reaches

she has no idea of the answer he reaches out he picks up her wrist

out he picks up her wrist

out he picks up her wrist he pulls these elastic bands back and

he pulls these elastic bands back and

he pulls these elastic bands back and just before he lets go he flinches cuz

just before he lets go he flinches cuz

just before he lets go he flinches cuz she knows what’s coming and in that

she knows what’s coming and in that

she knows what’s coming and in that instant he pauses and then ever so

instant he pauses and then ever so

instant he pauses and then ever so slowly

slowly

slowly he places the elastic bands gently on

he places the elastic bands gently on

he places the elastic bands gently on her wrist and he steps back and then he

her wrist and he steps back and then he

her wrist and he steps back and then he put his head down and quite humbly and

put his head down and quite humbly and

put his head down and quite humbly and out of this sort of out of the corner of

out of this sort of out of the corner of

out of this sort of out of the corner of his mouth he said I don’t want to do

his mouth he said I don’t want to do

his mouth he said I don’t want to do that it doesn’t seem right I know her is

that it doesn’t seem right I know her is

that it doesn’t seem right I know her is thought I was thinking yes

thought I was thinking yes

thought I was thinking yes but of course I couldn’t say that so I

but of course I couldn’t say that so I

but of course I couldn’t say that so I channeled my inner Milgram and I said

channeled my inner Milgram and I said

channeled my inner Milgram and I said the experiment requires that you

the experiment requires that you

the experiment requires that you continue please go on talk about

continue please go on talk about

continue please go on talk about pressure and this kid he was amazing he

pressure and this kid he was amazing he

pressure and this kid he was amazing he had this inner wrestle for a moment and

had this inner wrestle for a moment and

had this inner wrestle for a moment and then he seemed to stand a little taller

then he seemed to stand a little taller

then he seemed to stand a little taller and he was already up there and he said

and he was already up there and he said

and he was already up there and he said no she just doesn’t know the answer why

no she just doesn’t know the answer why

no she just doesn’t know the answer why would I hurt her for it I wanted to hug

would I hurt her for it I wanted to hug

would I hurt her for it I wanted to hug you me but I couldn’t because that would

you me but I couldn’t because that would

you me but I couldn’t because that would blow the experiment and so I said look

blow the experiment and so I said look

blow the experiment and so I said look I’m with you for the next 60 minutes if

I’m with you for the next 60 minutes if

I’m with you for the next 60 minutes if you don’t do this I’ve got nothing to

you don’t do this I’ve got nothing to

you don’t do this I’ve got nothing to say to you all these 200 people we need

say to you all these 200 people we need

say to you all these 200 people we need you to do this please the experiment

you to do this please the experiment

you to do this please the experiment requires that you continue please

requires that you continue please

requires that you continue please continue and as I said it the crowd

continue and as I said it the crowd

continue and as I said it the crowd started to jeer

started to jeer

started to jeer some of the kids said I said come on man

some of the kids said I said come on man

some of the kids said I said come on man just do it you’re wrecking everything

just do it you’re wrecking everything

just do it you’re wrecking everything stop messing it up just do it a couple

stop messing it up just do it a couple

stop messing it up just do it a couple of kids like I’ll do it know who sure

of kids like I’ll do it know who sure

of kids like I’ll do it know who sure don’t and then he began to walk to his

don’t and then he began to walk to his

don’t and then he began to walk to his chair now I convinced him to come back

chair now I convinced him to come back

chair now I convinced him to come back he didn’t want to I I said come back and

he didn’t want to I I said come back and

he didn’t want to I I said come back and as we need to talk about this I asked

as we need to talk about this I asked

as we need to talk about this I asked the entire crowd to please give him a

the entire crowd to please give him a

the entire crowd to please give him a round of applause I said what what has

round of applause I said what what has

round of applause I said what what has just happened is special and it’s

just happened is special and it’s

just happened is special and it’s unusual

unusual

unusual his name was tank him he was like 14 or

his name was tank him he was like 14 or

his name was tank him he was like 14 or 15 years old and what he displayed that

15 years old and what he displayed that

15 years old and what he displayed that day was what I call reflective rebellion

day was what I call reflective rebellion

day was what I call reflective rebellion he was willing to stand firm and

he was willing to stand firm and

he was willing to stand firm and resolute in what he knew was right even

resolute in what he knew was right even

resolute in what he knew was right even though no one else was with him it was

though no one else was with him it was

though no one else was with him it was exceptional I think that what yankem

exceptional I think that what yankem

exceptional I think that what yankem demonstrated is the end game for all of

demonstrated is the end game for all of

demonstrated is the end game for all of us and for our children and if we don’t

us and for our children and if we don’t

us and for our children and if we don’t have kids the young people that we work

have kids the young people that we work

have kids the young people that we work with or that we teach or the related to

with or that we teach or the related to

with or that we teach or the related to us for them to understand what Augustine

us for them to understand what Augustine

us for them to understand what Augustine of Hippo meant when he said right is

of Hippo meant when he said right is

of Hippo meant when he said right is right even if no one is doing it wrong

right even if no one is doing it wrong

right even if no one is doing it wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it I

don’t know if you’ve noticed this or not

don’t know if you’ve noticed this or not but most people say well I want to raise

but most people say well I want to raise

but most people say well I want to raise children who are strong and independent

children who are strong and independent

children who are strong and independent and caring and courageous and yet how

and caring and courageous and yet how

and caring and courageous and yet how many of us and it doesn’t just

many of us and it doesn’t just

many of us and it doesn’t just to happen in our homes by the way this

to happen in our homes by the way this

to happen in our homes by the way this can happen at work and it doesn’t even

can happen at work and it doesn’t even

can happen at work and it doesn’t even have to be with kids it can be with

have to be with kids it can be with

have to be with kids it can be with adults or in our classrooms how many of

adults or in our classrooms how many of

adults or in our classrooms how many of us use phrases like just do as I say

us use phrases like just do as I say

us use phrases like just do as I say because they’re the rules that’s why

because they’re the rules that’s why

because they’re the rules that’s why because that’s the company policy we’ve

because that’s the company policy we’ve

because that’s the company policy we’ve just that’s what we do because that’s

just that’s what we do because that’s

just that’s what we do because that’s how we do it in this school in this

how we do it in this school in this

how we do it in this school in this classroom in our home because I said so

classroom in our home because I said so

classroom in our home because I said so you see we say that we want to raise

you see we say that we want to raise

you see we say that we want to raise independent thinkers but what we really

independent thinkers but what we really

independent thinkers but what we really want to raise is conformists because

want to raise is conformists because

want to raise is conformists because independence is inconvenient data from

independence is inconvenient data from

independence is inconvenient data from around the world tells us that from

around the world tells us that from

around the world tells us that from toddlers to teens and even for adults we

toddlers to teens and even for adults we

toddlers to teens and even for adults we create reflective Rebels not by force

create reflective Rebels not by force

create reflective Rebels not by force because force creates resistance rather

because force creates resistance rather

because force creates resistance rather we create reflective rebels by giving

we create reflective rebels by giving

we create reflective rebels by giving people space to think to work things out

people space to think to work things out

people space to think to work things out I asked one dad how did you create your

I asked one dad how did you create your

I asked one dad how did you create your reflective rebels he was amazing he said

reflective rebels he was amazing he said

reflective rebels he was amazing he said I give my kids hypotheticals we’ll be in

I give my kids hypotheticals we’ll be in

I give my kids hypotheticals we’ll be in the car I’ll say well what do you think

the car I’ll say well what do you think

the car I’ll say well what do you think about this what what would you do if you

about this what what would you do if you

about this what what would you do if you were in that situation how would you

were in that situation how would you

were in that situation how would you respond what about if it was like this

respond what about if it was like this

respond what about if it was like this and then he shared with me ideas about

and then he shared with me ideas about

and then he shared with me ideas about what his kids had done reflectively as a

what his kids had done reflectively as a

what his kids had done reflectively as a result you see when we use phrases like

result you see when we use phrases like

result you see when we use phrases like this what we’re essentially saying is

this what we’re essentially saying is

this what we’re essentially saying is I’ll only love you or if it’s not at

I’ll only love you or if it’s not at

I’ll only love you or if it’s not at home

home

home I’ll only treat you well when you behave

I’ll only treat you well when you behave

I’ll only treat you well when you behave the way that I want you to it’s the

the way that I want you to it’s the

the way that I want you to it’s the essence of conditionality and it doesn’t

essence of conditionality and it doesn’t

essence of conditionality and it doesn’t create the reflective rebellion the

create the reflective rebellion the

create the reflective rebellion the independent for the strong caring

independent for the strong caring

independent for the strong caring individuals that matter most well we

individuals that matter most well we

individuals that matter most well we should finish the story of Tianjin

should finish the story of Tianjin

should finish the story of Tianjin because more happened that day Iran the

because more happened that day Iran the

because more happened that day Iran the session three more times two volunteers

session three more times two volunteers

session three more times two volunteers came up they followed the script

came up they followed the script

came up they followed the script perfectly no one question and nobody

perfectly no one question and nobody

perfectly no one question and nobody rebelled they just heard each other

rebelled they just heard each other

rebelled they just heard each other quite willingly but at the end of the

quite willingly but at the end of the

quite willingly but at the end of the final session of the day as everybody

final session of the day as everybody

final session of the day as everybody was walking out of the room this one

was walking out of the room this one

was walking out of the room this one young man came up to me he was about 17

young man came up to me he was about 17

young man came up to me he was about 17 or 18 he was a little bit bigger than

or 18 he was a little bit bigger than

or 18 he was a little bit bigger than tea on him he looks just like him and he

tea on him he looks just like him and he

tea on him he looks just like him and he started asking me questions about 10

started asking me questions about 10

started asking me questions about 10 come on like man how many kids do you

come on like man how many kids do you

come on like man how many kids do you know called yankem it’s not a common

know called yankem it’s not a common

know called yankem it’s not a common name he said that’s my little brother I

name he said that’s my little brother I

name he said that’s my little brother I can’t wait to go home and

can’t wait to go home and

can’t wait to go home and my parents what my little brother did

my parents what my little brother did

my parents what my little brother did today

we gulp and quiver at the idea of

we gulp and quiver at the idea of raising a rebel in our living room

raising a rebel in our living room

raising a rebel in our living room but what parent wouldn’t want that for

but what parent wouldn’t want that for

but what parent wouldn’t want that for their children to raise children who are

their children to raise children who are

their children to raise children who are strong and caring and reflective and who

strong and caring and reflective and who

strong and caring and reflective and who are willing to think about others and do

are willing to think about others and do

are willing to think about others and do what they know is right I can’t help but

what they know is right I can’t help but

what they know is right I can’t help but think that that night tiang comes

think that that night tiang comes

think that that night tiang comes parents celebrated their courageous

parents celebrated their courageous

parents celebrated their courageous strong independent reflective rebel

strong independent reflective rebel

strong independent reflective rebel sitting right there opposite them on a

sitting right there opposite them on a

sitting right there opposite them on a lounge chair in their living room thank

lounge chair in their living room thank

lounge chair in their living room thank you

you

you [Applause]

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