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thank you in this age of Internet

thank you in this age of Internet start-ups we expect the rapid

start-ups we expect the rapid

start-ups we expect the rapid development of new ideas into products

development of new ideas into products

development of new ideas into products with a rapid success or failure but some

with a rapid success or failure but some

with a rapid success or failure but some efforts especially scientific research

efforts especially scientific research

efforts especially scientific research have to take the long game sometimes

have to take the long game sometimes

have to take the long game sometimes decades to do this requires a

decades to do this requires a

decades to do this requires a willingness a capacity to do research

willingness a capacity to do research

willingness a capacity to do research you don’t know work that may take a very

you don’t know work that may take a very

you don’t know work that may take a very long time to know that it will work this

long time to know that it will work this

long time to know that it will work this requires not just the dedication of the

requires not just the dedication of the

requires not just the dedication of the researchers but steady backing from the

researchers but steady backing from the

researchers but steady backing from the backers and a bit of luck the LIGO

backers and a bit of luck the LIGO

backers and a bit of luck the LIGO project which just announced the first

project which just announced the first

project which just announced the first discovery gravitational waves ever this

discovery gravitational waves ever this

discovery gravitational waves ever this past year is one such effort for

past year is one such effort for

past year is one such effort for millennia we’ve used light to observe

millennia we’ve used light to observe

millennia we’ve used light to observe the cosmos historically to build an

the cosmos historically to build an

the cosmos historically to build an observatory you came with a design for a

observatory you came with a design for a

observatory you came with a design for a telescope and found some very rich

telescope and found some very rich

telescope and found some very rich person to pay for it hopefully before

person to pay for it hopefully before

person to pay for it hopefully before you passed away in the 19th century the

you passed away in the 19th century the

you passed away in the 19th century the richest man in California was convinced

richest man in California was convinced

richest man in California was convinced to build the most powerful telescope of

to build the most powerful telescope of

to build the most powerful telescope of its age as his tomb instead of building

its age as his tomb instead of building

its age as his tomb instead of building a very large pyramid in San Francisco

a very large pyramid in San Francisco

a very large pyramid in San Francisco these days most large telescopes are

these days most large telescopes are

these days most large telescopes are funded by governments it makes them

funded by governments it makes them

funded by governments it makes them subject to the whims of public opinion

subject to the whims of public opinion

subject to the whims of public opinion and election cycles but doesn’t usually

and election cycles but doesn’t usually

and election cycles but doesn’t usually require you to bury someone under them

require you to bury someone under them

require you to bury someone under them 40 to 50 years ago astronomers had built

40 to 50 years ago astronomers had built

40 to 50 years ago astronomers had built telescopes that span the entire spectrum

telescopes that span the entire spectrum

telescopes that span the entire spectrum of electromagnetic radiation from x-rays

of electromagnetic radiation from x-rays

of electromagnetic radiation from x-rays the visible light infrared to radio

the visible light infrared to radio

the visible light infrared to radio waves and they were making some great

waves and they were making some great

waves and they were making some great discoveries but they were also finding

discoveries but they were also finding

discoveries but they were also finding out that most of the matter in the

out that most of the matter in the

out that most of the matter in the universe would never actually be visible

universe would never actually be visible

universe would never actually be visible in these telescopes the long theorized

in these telescopes the long theorized

in these telescopes the long theorized black holes appeared to actually exist

black holes appeared to actually exist

black holes appeared to actually exist the end state for very massive stars

the end state for very massive stars

the end state for very massive stars these undergo a gravitational collapse

these undergo a gravitational collapse

these undergo a gravitational collapse so extreme that even light itself can

so extreme that even light itself can

so extreme that even light itself can never ever escape hence the name they

never ever escape hence the name they

never ever escape hence the name they were also finding out that at the center

were also finding out that at the center

were also finding out that at the center of most galaxies there is evidence that

of most galaxies there is evidence that

of most galaxies there is evidence that there was a very massive black hole with

there was a very massive black hole with

there was a very massive black hole with the mass of a million suns even more

the mass of a million suns even more

the mass of a million suns even more disturbing ly they were finding that

disturbing ly they were finding that

disturbing ly they were finding that most of the matter in the universe

most of the matter in the universe

most of the matter in the universe appeared to not be made up of atoms that

appeared to not be made up of atoms that

appeared to not be made up of atoms that make up stars and us and said this dark

make up stars and us and said this dark

make up stars and us and said this dark matter could only be found in directly

matter could only be found in directly

matter could only be found in directly by its gravitational pull on the stars

by its gravitational pull on the stars

by its gravitational pull on the stars that could be seen but there was a

that could be seen but there was a

that could be seen but there was a possibility Einstein had predicted that

possibility Einstein had predicted that

possibility Einstein had predicted that there was gravitational radiation if

there was gravitational radiation if

there was gravitational radiation if very massive objects accelerate such as

very massive objects accelerate such as

very massive objects accelerate such as a pair of black holes orbiting each

a pair of black holes orbiting each

a pair of black holes orbiting each other tightly they will lose energy and

other tightly they will lose energy and

other tightly they will lose energy and gravitational waves they will propagate

gravitational waves they will propagate

gravitational waves they will propagate away as ripples in the fabric of

away as ripples in the fabric of

away as ripples in the fabric of space-time at the speed of light as

space-time at the speed of light as

space-time at the speed of light as these propagate through space they

these propagate through space they

these propagate through space they squeeze it in one dimension while

squeeze it in one dimension while

squeeze it in one dimension while stretching it in the other but even the

stretching it in the other but even the

stretching it in the other but even the most powerful sources of gravitational

most powerful sources of gravitational

most powerful sources of gravitational radiation and waves would only leave the

radiation and waves would only leave the

radiation and waves would only leave the faintest ripple when they got to the

faintest ripple when they got to the

faintest ripple when they got to the earth these ripples would be so small

earth these ripples would be so small

earth these ripples would be so small that it would be only one ten thousands

that it would be only one ten thousands

that it would be only one ten thousands the diameter of a proton over a couple

the diameter of a proton over a couple

the diameter of a proton over a couple of kilometers how would you ever detect

of kilometers how would you ever detect

of kilometers how would you ever detect that Ray Weiss and others at MIT had an

that Ray Weiss and others at MIT had an

that Ray Weiss and others at MIT had an idea their new instrument the laser

idea their new instrument the laser

idea their new instrument the laser interferometer could do the trick ray

interferometer could do the trick ray

interferometer could do the trick ray spent the entire summer doing all these

spent the entire summer doing all these

spent the entire summer doing all these calculations figuring out how you would

calculations figuring out how you would

calculations figuring out how you would do it what the credit technologies were

do it what the credit technologies were

do it what the credit technologies were that was after assigning as a problem

that was after assigning as a problem

that was after assigning as a problem set for his students um he found that

set for his students um he found that

set for his students um he found that you would need a very large instrument

you would need a very large instrument

you would need a very large instrument with arms several kilometers long in an

with arms several kilometers long in an

with arms several kilometers long in an L shape and you would need the largest

L shape and you would need the largest

L shape and you would need the largest vacuum system ever built funding for

vacuum system ever built funding for

vacuum system ever built funding for this crazy idea was was difficult

this crazy idea was was difficult

this crazy idea was was difficult first the administration’s national

first the administration’s national

first the administration’s national science foundation– were very intrigued

science foundation– were very intrigued

science foundation– were very intrigued but only started things out with modest

but only started things out with modest

but only started things out with modest grants they needed to prove that the

grants they needed to prove that the

grants they needed to prove that the critical technologies for this would

critical technologies for this would

critical technologies for this would actually work they also brought in an

actually work they also brought in an

actually work they also brought in an industrialist to work with these desktop

industrialist to work with these desktop

industrialist to work with these desktop scientists to scale up their efforts to

scientists to scale up their efforts to

scientists to scale up their efforts to build such large facilities by the late

build such large facilities by the late

build such large facilities by the late 1980s plans for these laser and farmers

1980s plans for these laser and farmers

1980s plans for these laser and farmers looking very serious all the critical

looking very serious all the critical

looking very serious all the critical technologies had been proven but the

technologies had been proven but the

technologies had been proven but the budget to build these facilities was a

budget to build these facilities was a

budget to build these facilities was a hundred million dollars this dwarf the

hundred million dollars this dwarf the

hundred million dollars this dwarf the existing budget for astronomy how was

existing budget for astronomy how was

existing budget for astronomy how was this ever going to happen some luck

this ever going to happen some luck

this ever going to happen some luck helped the two sites selected down

helped the two sites selected down

helped the two sites selected down selected from lista candidates ended up

selected from lista candidates ended up

selected from lista candidates ended up in the districts of some key congressmen

in the districts of some key congressmen

in the districts of some key congressmen and Senators who became very strong

and Senators who became very strong

and Senators who became very strong advocates for this proposed laser

advocates for this proposed laser

advocates for this proposed laser interferometer gravitational-wave

interferometer gravitational-wave

interferometer gravitational-wave observatory ligo for short they pay

observatory ligo for short they pay

observatory ligo for short they pay passed laws creating a very special pot

passed laws creating a very special pot

passed laws creating a very special pot of money for such major projects the

of money for such major projects the

of money for such major projects the initial funding was finally secured but

initial funding was finally secured but

initial funding was finally secured but this was a tough time for large science

this was a tough time for large science

this was a tough time for large science projects many of them were having their

projects many of them were having their

projects many of them were having their budget slashed the superconducting

budget slashed the superconducting

budget slashed the superconducting supercollider in Texas was even

supercollider in Texas was even

supercollider in Texas was even cancelled the nascent ygo project got

cancelled the nascent ygo project got

cancelled the nascent ygo project got some benefit from this they got several

some benefit from this they got several

some benefit from this they got several managers experienced in large science

managers experienced in large science

managers experienced in large science projects they also got a lot of surplus

projects they also got a lot of surplus

projects they also got a lot of surplus furniture now any of these projects have

furniture now any of these projects have

furniture now any of these projects have to be arranged in stages at each stage

to be arranged in stages at each stage

to be arranged in stages at each stage you have to prove that you can meet the

you have to prove that you can meet the

you have to prove that you can meet the goals for that stage and complete them

goals for that stage and complete them

goals for that stage and complete them this builds confidence in the backers

this builds confidence in the backers

this builds confidence in the backers and in the researchers that this will

and in the researchers that this will

and in the researchers that this will ever occur the first goal for the legal

ever occur the first goal for the legal

ever occur the first goal for the legal observatory is the head to construct and

observatory is the head to construct and

observatory is the head to construct and operate a small network of

operate a small network of

operate a small network of interferometers around the clock for two

interferometers around the clock for two

interferometers around the clock for two years collect all the data and analyze

years collect all the data and analyze

years collect all the data and analyze it and they did that

it and they did that

it and they did that and they also managed to prove that the

and they also managed to prove that the

and they also managed to prove that the performance of their instrument was met

performance of their instrument was met

performance of their instrument was met the goals that have been boldly

the goals that have been boldly

the goals that have been boldly predicted over 10 years before why go

predicted over 10 years before why go

predicted over 10 years before why go also engaged the public they created the

also engaged the public they created the

also engaged the public they created the Einstein at home project when led a

Einstein at home project when led a

Einstein at home project when led a hundreds of thousands of ordinary people

hundreds of thousands of ordinary people

hundreds of thousands of ordinary people use the idle time and their computers to

use the idle time and their computers to

use the idle time and their computers to search for waves from wobbly pulsars it

search for waves from wobbly pulsars it

search for waves from wobbly pulsars it also had a neat screensaver but this

also had a neat screensaver but this

also had a neat screensaver but this effort let ordinary citizens of the

effort let ordinary citizens of the

effort let ordinary citizens of the public experience the joy and excitement

public experience the joy and excitement

public experience the joy and excitement of searching for things that had never

of searching for things that had never

of searching for things that had never ever been seen in all that time though

ever been seen in all that time though

ever been seen in all that time though LIGO wasn’t that lucky there were no

LIGO wasn’t that lucky there were no

LIGO wasn’t that lucky there were no surprise discoveries of gravitational

surprise discoveries of gravitational

surprise discoveries of gravitational waves from sources that were much closer

waves from sources that were much closer

waves from sources that were much closer than the astronomers expected but they

than the astronomers expected but they

than the astronomers expected but they did secure funding for the next stage

did secure funding for the next stage

did secure funding for the next stage advanced LIGO here they took out all the

advanced LIGO here they took out all the

advanced LIGO here they took out all the innards the and replaced the lasers the

innards the and replaced the lasers the

innards the and replaced the lasers the optics the seismic isolation systems

optics the seismic isolation systems

optics the seismic isolation systems with apparatus that could actually meet

with apparatus that could actually meet

with apparatus that could actually meet the performance to find the even weaker

the performance to find the even weaker

the performance to find the even weaker gravitational waves that were actually

gravitational waves that were actually

gravitational waves that were actually expected in the initial initial part of

expected in the initial initial part of

expected in the initial initial part of LIGO the mirrors were simply hung from

LIGO the mirrors were simply hung from

LIGO the mirrors were simply hung from two wires in advanced LIGO there were

two wires in advanced LIGO there were

two wires in advanced LIGO there were four separate suspensions of these

four separate suspensions of these

four separate suspensions of these mirrors the final one I’m very fragile

mirrors the final one I’m very fragile

mirrors the final one I’m very fragile but very strong silica glass fibers this

but very strong silica glass fibers this

but very strong silica glass fibers this was all to isolate these mirrors from

was all to isolate these mirrors from

was all to isolate these mirrors from all external vibrations the vibrations

all external vibrations the vibrations

all external vibrations the vibrations from the ripples of gravitational waves

from the ripples of gravitational waves

from the ripples of gravitational waves passing through them in a sense they

passing through them in a sense they

passing through them in a sense they were building the quietest rooms ever to

were building the quietest rooms ever to

were building the quietest rooms ever to hear the smallest pin drop imaginable by

hear the smallest pin drop imaginable by

hear the smallest pin drop imaginable by 2015 they had gotten all these parts

2015 they had gotten all these parts

2015 they had gotten all these parts assembled and new interferometers got

assembled and new interferometers got

assembled and new interferometers got them all working stabili

them all working stabili

them all working stabili and then what came it again because just

and then what came it again because just

and then what came it again because just as they’re starting their search in

as they’re starting their search in

as they’re starting their search in earnest for gravitational waves they got

earnest for gravitational waves they got

earnest for gravitational waves they got the surprise of their lifetimes a big

the surprise of their lifetimes a big

the surprise of their lifetimes a big signal in both observatories it was

signal in both observatories it was

signal in both observatories it was almost too good they had all expected

almost too good they had all expected

almost too good they had all expected that it will be a very subtle signal

that it will be a very subtle signal

that it will be a very subtle signal that would take weeks and weeks the

that would take weeks and weeks the

that would take weeks and weeks the computer processing to find but this one

computer processing to find but this one

computer processing to find but this one was so large you could actually see it

was so large you could actually see it

was so large you could actually see it in the date in itself now when they went

in the date in itself now when they went

in the date in itself now when they went in there yourself no one they analyzed

in there yourself no one they analyzed

in there yourself no one they analyzed it they found it was from a pair of

it they found it was from a pair of

it they found it was from a pair of black holes these black holes were

black holes these black holes were

black holes these black holes were through each 30 times the mass of the

through each 30 times the mass of the

through each 30 times the mass of the Sun 1.3 billion years ago they had

Sun 1.3 billion years ago they had

Sun 1.3 billion years ago they had merged violently so violently that three

merged violently so violently that three

merged violently so violently that three sons worth of mass were converted

sons worth of mass were converted

sons worth of mass were converted immediately into just into gravitational

immediately into just into gravitational

immediately into just into gravitational waves no light at all truly amazing but

waves no light at all truly amazing but

waves no light at all truly amazing but was very frustrating the scientist was

was very frustrating the scientist was

was very frustrating the scientist was they couldn’t tell anyone why because

they couldn’t tell anyone why because

they couldn’t tell anyone why because they had to absolutely make sure there

they had to absolutely make sure there

they had to absolutely make sure there was no other cause that there was no

was no other cause that there was no

was no other cause that there was no other little signal or little problem

other little signal or little problem

other little signal or little problem with the apparatus you have to remember

with the apparatus you have to remember

with the apparatus you have to remember they are trying to convince everyone

they are trying to convince everyone

they are trying to convince everyone that they had seen something

that they had seen something

that they had seen something gravitational waves no one else had ever

gravitational waves no one else had ever

gravitational waves no one else had ever seen from a pair of massive black holes

seen from a pair of massive black holes

seen from a pair of massive black holes that no other telescope could ever see

that no other telescope could ever see

that no other telescope could ever see that had to be really really sure and

that had to be really really sure and

that had to be really really sure and they were and finally announced it now

they were and finally announced it now

they were and finally announced it now during that observing they actually saw

during that observing they actually saw

during that observing they actually saw a couple more such binary black holes

a couple more such binary black holes

a couple more such binary black holes they greatly include the set that were

they greatly include the set that were

they greatly include the set that were known at all and these were much more

known at all and these were much more

known at all and these were much more massive than urban found before this

massive than urban found before this

massive than urban found before this discovery may also answer that dark

discovery may also answer that dark

discovery may also answer that dark matter I talked about before for over 20

matter I talked about before for over 20

matter I talked about before for over 20 years physicists have been searching for

years physicists have been searching for

years physicists have been searching for some exotic particle that makes up this

some exotic particle that makes up this

some exotic particle that makes up this dark matter but they found nothing but

dark matter but they found nothing but

dark matter but they found nothing but now some theorize that the start

now some theorize that the start

now some theorize that the start matter is actually may be unseen black

matter is actually may be unseen black

matter is actually may be unseen black holes created at the Big Bang we will

holes created at the Big Bang we will

holes created at the Big Bang we will see we hope for some great discoveries

see we hope for some great discoveries

see we hope for some great discoveries now because gravitational waves go

now because gravitational waves go

now because gravitational waves go through everything the part of the

through everything the part of the

through everything the part of the fabric of space-time you can’t focus

fabric of space-time you can’t focus

fabric of space-time you can’t focus them like you can lighten a telescope

them like you can lighten a telescope

them like you can lighten a telescope you can only use timing just like your

you can only use timing just like your

you can only use timing just like your ears to figure out where they’re coming

ears to figure out where they’re coming

ears to figure out where they’re coming from out there so you need a network

from out there so you need a network

from out there so you need a network luckily the network is growing bigger

luckily the network is growing bigger

luckily the network is growing bigger this year an interferometer in Italy

this year an interferometer in Italy

this year an interferometer in Italy will be joining the system the Japanese

will be joining the system the Japanese

will be joining the system the Japanese are building one inside a mountain to

are building one inside a mountain to

are building one inside a mountain to better shield it from vibrations within

better shield it from vibrations within

better shield it from vibrations within the next decade we expect another Lego

the next decade we expect another Lego

the next decade we expect another Lego instrument to be built in India we don’t

instrument to be built in India we don’t

instrument to be built in India we don’t know what great discoveries where do you

know what great discoveries where do you

know what great discoveries where do you get with the system this is not the only

get with the system this is not the only

get with the system this is not the only long-term effort in the field the Lisa

long-term effort in the field the Lisa

long-term effort in the field the Lisa project proposes to build a laser

project proposes to build a laser

project proposes to build a laser interferometer in space this

interferometer in space this

interferometer in space this interferometer would actually be

interferometer would actually be

interferometer would actually be sensitive to gravitational waves from

sensitive to gravitational waves from

sensitive to gravitational waves from sources much fainter but much closer to

sources much fainter but much closer to

sources much fainter but much closer to us some in our own galaxy so we even

us some in our own galaxy so we even

us some in our own galaxy so we even know about already on this past March

know about already on this past March

know about already on this past March then launched a satellite out beyond the

then launched a satellite out beyond the

then launched a satellite out beyond the earth that proved some of the critical

earth that proved some of the critical

earth that proved some of the critical technologies they need to build this

technologies they need to build this

technologies they need to build this interferometer haven’t been active for

interferometer haven’t been active for

interferometer haven’t been active for already 20 years and it’s probably going

already 20 years and it’s probably going

already 20 years and it’s probably going to take another 10 20 years more and

to take another 10 20 years more and

to take another 10 20 years more and with satellites that will be a mere 1

with satellites that will be a mere 1

with satellites that will be a mere 1 million kilometers apart there are very

million kilometers apart there are very

million kilometers apart there are very long game indeed thank you

long game indeed thank you

long game indeed thank you [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] you

you

you [Music]

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