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Making caterpillar soup | Debi Jackson | TEDxYouth@KC


when she transformed into a butterfly

when she transformed into a butterfly the caterpillars spoke not of her beauty

the caterpillars spoke not of her beauty

the caterpillars spoke not of her beauty but of her weirdness they wanted her to

but of her weirdness they wanted her to

but of her weirdness they wanted her to change back into what she had always

change back into what she had always

change back into what she had always been but she had wings

been but she had wings

been but she had wings my daughter is transgender and the story

my daughter is transgender and the story

my daughter is transgender and the story of the caterpillar and the butterfly is

of the caterpillar and the butterfly is

of the caterpillar and the butterfly is something that we see quite frequently

something that we see quite frequently

something that we see quite frequently in the trans community and support

in the trans community and support

in the trans community and support groups because when you think about it

groups because when you think about it

groups because when you think about it when a person transforms their life from

when a person transforms their life from

when a person transforms their life from presenting as the gender that they were

presenting as the gender that they were

presenting as the gender that they were assigned at Birth into the opposite

assigned at Birth into the opposite

assigned at Birth into the opposite gender or no gender or somewhere in

gender or no gender or somewhere in

gender or no gender or somewhere in between

between

between everyone is going to take notice we’re

everyone is going to take notice we’re

everyone is going to take notice we’re going to finally see them for the first

going to finally see them for the first

going to finally see them for the first time as they see themselves and that is

time as they see themselves and that is

time as they see themselves and that is a thing of beauty but unfortunately in

a thing of beauty but unfortunately in

a thing of beauty but unfortunately in our world we also have people who don’t

our world we also have people who don’t

our world we also have people who don’t see it as a thing of beauty they see a

see it as a thing of beauty they see a

see it as a thing of beauty they see a trans person as weird and they’re not

trans person as weird and they’re not

trans person as weird and they’re not shy about telling you that they will

shy about telling you that they will

shy about telling you that they will scream and shout out they will stomp

scream and shout out they will stomp

scream and shout out they will stomp their feet they will go online and leave

their feet they will go online and leave

their feet they will go online and leave horrendous comments calling you crazy or

horrendous comments calling you crazy or

horrendous comments calling you crazy or not real and disingenuous and so many

not real and disingenuous and so many

not real and disingenuous and so many horrible things all because you chose to

horrible things all because you chose to

horrible things all because you chose to show the world who you really are now

show the world who you really are now

show the world who you really are now the transition

the transition

the transition the transformation could be as simple as

the transformation could be as simple as

the transformation could be as simple as a name change and pronoun change maybe a

a name change and pronoun change maybe a

a name change and pronoun change maybe a haircut maybe some new clothes but if

haircut maybe some new clothes but if

haircut maybe some new clothes but if someone’s old enough it could include

someone’s old enough it could include

someone’s old enough it could include medical interventions like hormone

medical interventions like hormone

medical interventions like hormone therapy or one or more surgeries but we

therapy or one or more surgeries but we

therapy or one or more surgeries but we still have the chance to see the person

still have the chance to see the person

still have the chance to see the person that the person is on the inside through

that the person is on the inside through

that the person is on the inside through those changes I could tell you that that

those changes I could tell you that that

those changes I could tell you that that analogy is pretty much all you need to

analogy is pretty much all you need to

analogy is pretty much all you need to know it’s as simple as it gets but it’s

know it’s as simple as it gets but it’s

know it’s as simple as it gets but it’s so much more complicated and that could

so much more complicated and that could

so much more complicated and that could take so much time to get to the point of

take so much time to get to the point of

take so much time to get to the point of feeling the freedom of having your wings

feeling the freedom of having your wings

feeling the freedom of having your wings where you get to leave behind all the

where you get to leave behind all the

where you get to leave behind all the negativity of the caterpillars who are

negativity of the caterpillars who are

negativity of the caterpillars who are still down there clinging to their

still down there clinging to their

still down there clinging to their branches but I’m not here to talk to you

branches but I’m not here to talk to you

branches but I’m not here to talk to you about that today

about that today

about that today I’m not here to tell you a story of my

I’m not here to tell you a story of my

I’m not here to tell you a story of my daughter I’m not here to tell you the

daughter I’m not here to tell you the

daughter I’m not here to tell you the story of anyone else who’s trans as an

story of anyone else who’s trans as an

story of anyone else who’s trans as an ally that’s not my place it’s not my

ally that’s not my place it’s not my

ally that’s not my place it’s not my role they are their own best champions

role they are their own best champions

role they are their own best champions and they can tell us their own stories

and they can tell us their own stories

and they can tell us their own stories in their own time if or when they choose

in their own time if or when they choose

in their own time if or when they choose to do so but what I can tell you about

to do so but what I can tell you about

to do so but what I can tell you about is my on transform my own transformation

is my on transform my own transformation

is my on transform my own transformation because life this caterpillar I had

because life this caterpillar I had

because life this caterpillar I had tibula through symptoms some significant

tibula through symptoms some significant

tibula through symptoms some significant changes of my own so to give you an idea

changes of my own so to give you an idea

changes of my own so to give you an idea of what that means here’s my background

of what that means here’s my background

of what that means here’s my background I come from a very religious very

I come from a very religious very

I come from a very religious very conservative southern family I went to

conservative southern family I went to

conservative southern family I went to church three times a week when I was

church three times a week when I was

church three times a week when I was growing

growing

growing and I still have to sing the hymns every

and I still have to sing the hymns every

and I still have to sing the hymns every time I hear them played from the church

time I hear them played from the church

time I hear them played from the church bells that I hear in the backyard when

bells that I hear in the backyard when

bells that I hear in the backyard when I’m standing at my house I used to

I’m standing at my house I used to

I’m standing at my house I used to listen to conservative talk shows on the

listen to conservative talk shows on the

listen to conservative talk shows on the radio all day at work and I got all of

radio all day at work and I got all of

radio all day at work and I got all of my news from one particular cable news

my news from one particular cable news

my news from one particular cable news outlets and I voted pretty much straight

outlets and I voted pretty much straight

outlets and I voted pretty much straight ticket for one particular party the

ticket for one particular party the

ticket for one particular party the world that I came from where I grew up

world that I came from where I grew up

world that I came from where I grew up with brothers and my best friends were

with brothers and my best friends were

with brothers and my best friends were boys and I was very much a tomboy so I

boys and I was very much a tomboy so I

boys and I was very much a tomboy so I was looking at my life with a particular

was looking at my life with a particular

was looking at my life with a particular mindset going forward very conservative

mindset going forward very conservative

mindset going forward very conservative my husband and I wanted to have children

my husband and I wanted to have children

my husband and I wanted to have children and because I was a tomboy I wanted to

and because I was a tomboy I wanted to

and because I was a tomboy I wanted to have sons I knew how to relate to them

have sons I knew how to relate to them

have sons I knew how to relate to them girls scared me I had friends who would

girls scared me I had friends who would

girls scared me I had friends who would tell me their stories of their teen

tell me their stories of their teen

tell me their stories of their teen girls and how they were so difficult to

girls and how they were so difficult to

girls and how they were so difficult to raise and particularly with puberty and

raise and particularly with puberty and

raise and particularly with puberty and hormones and the craziness and the drama

hormones and the craziness and the drama

hormones and the craziness and the drama that came with that so I was really

that came with that so I was really

that came with that so I was really happy when we had two sons that were

happy when we had two sons that were

happy when we had two sons that were born to us the irony of course is since

born to us the irony of course is since

born to us the irony of course is since my daughter is transgender I will not be

my daughter is transgender I will not be

my daughter is transgender I will not be buying her those hormones and that is

buying her those hormones and that is

buying her those hormones and that is where one of my lessons comes from be

where one of my lessons comes from be

where one of my lessons comes from be careful what you wish for because the

careful what you wish for because the

careful what you wish for because the universe might decide to teach you a

universe might decide to teach you a

universe might decide to teach you a lesson and laugh at you all the while

lesson and laugh at you all the while

lesson and laugh at you all the while I’m pretty sure when I make a payment

I’m pretty sure when I make a payment

I’m pretty sure when I make a payment for hormone for hormones the universe

for hormone for hormones the universe

for hormone for hormones the universe will be laughing at me so when my

will be laughing at me so when my

will be laughing at me so when my daughter was three years old she started

daughter was three years old she started

daughter was three years old she started to take on things that we generally

to take on things that we generally

to take on things that we generally consider as girl activities she was

consider as girl activities she was

consider as girl activities she was gender non-conforming as

gender non-conforming as

gender non-conforming as one way of putting it she wanted to wear

one way of putting it she wanted to wear

one way of putting it she wanted to wear princess dresses and play with girl toys

princess dresses and play with girl toys

princess dresses and play with girl toys she related to female characters and

she related to female characters and

she related to female characters and cartoons and she called herself a girl

cartoons and she called herself a girl

cartoons and she called herself a girl named during playtime she was the sister

named during playtime she was the sister

named during playtime she was the sister and she was the mom and at first I

and she was the mom and at first I

and she was the mom and at first I thought oh feminine boy okay I have a

thought oh feminine boy okay I have a

thought oh feminine boy okay I have a gay son still so much easier than

gay son still so much easier than

gay son still so much easier than dealing with a girl going through

dealing with a girl going through

dealing with a girl going through puberty later but it was so much more

puberty later but it was so much more

puberty later but it was so much more than that and we came to realize it

than that and we came to realize it

than that and we came to realize it wasn’t about the toys and it wasn’t

wasn’t about the toys and it wasn’t

wasn’t about the toys and it wasn’t about the dress it was about how she

about the dress it was about how she

about the dress it was about how she felt about herself when she was

felt about herself when she was

felt about herself when she was presenting that way it was so much a

presenting that way it was so much a

presenting that way it was so much a deeper part of who she was when she was

deeper part of who she was when she was

deeper part of who she was when she was dressed as a boy and treated as a boy

dressed as a boy and treated as a boy

dressed as a boy and treated as a boy she was just depressed and sullen and

she was just depressed and sullen and

she was just depressed and sullen and withdrawn and when she was dressed as a

withdrawn and when she was dressed as a

withdrawn and when she was dressed as a girl and she was calling herself by a

girl and she was calling herself by a

girl and she was calling herself by a girl’s name she was bright and animated

girl’s name she was bright and animated

girl’s name she was bright and animated and bubbly and the smile never left her

and bubbly and the smile never left her

and bubbly and the smile never left her face I didn’t know what that meant and

face I didn’t know what that meant and

face I didn’t know what that meant and the more she insisted and the more she

the more she insisted and the more she

the more she insisted and the more she persisted in this activity we got more

persisted in this activity we got more

persisted in this activity we got more confused about what it could mean it was

confused about what it could mean it was

confused about what it could mean it was clearly a part of her identity by the

clearly a part of her identity by the

clearly a part of her identity by the age of four she told us directly I am a

age of four she told us directly I am a

age of four she told us directly I am a girl on the inside and our head started

girl on the inside and our head started

girl on the inside and our head started spinning what did that mean could a kid

spinning what did that mean could a kid

spinning what did that mean could a kid actually know that they are a different

actually know that they are a different

actually know that they are a different gender were we crazy for and for even

gender were we crazy for and for even

gender were we crazy for and for even considering that she could know

considering that she could know

considering that she could know something like that at her age we have

something like that at her age we have

something like that at her age we have the fears too that a lot of parents have

the fears too that a lot of parents have

the fears too that a lot of parents have where is she getting this idea is she

where is she getting this idea is she

where is she getting this idea is she being abused by someone that she’s

being abused by someone that she’s

being abused by someone that she’s talking about her body in these

talking about her body in these

talking about her body in these frontways is someone filling her head

frontways is someone filling her head

frontways is someone filling her head with these ideas that are saying it’s

with these ideas that are saying it’s

with these ideas that are saying it’s not okay for a boy to wear pink where is

not okay for a boy to wear pink where is

not okay for a boy to wear pink where is this coming from

this coming from

this coming from is there something medically going on

is there something medically going on

is there something medically going on that’s causing her to have a

that’s causing her to have a

that’s causing her to have a misalignment between what her body is

misalignment between what her body is

misalignment between what her body is and who she says she is I realized when

and who she says she is I realized when

and who she says she is I realized when we went to the doctor and we had the

we went to the doctor and we had the

we went to the doctor and we had the pediatrician and children’s

pediatrician and children’s

pediatrician and children’s psychologists and a gender therapist and

psychologists and a gender therapist and

psychologists and a gender therapist and endocrinologist all come together so

endocrinologist all come together so

endocrinologist all come together so many experts so many appointments so

many experts so many appointments so

many experts so many appointments so many doctor visits and so many therapy

many doctor visits and so many therapy

many doctor visits and so many therapy sessions every one of them came back and

sessions every one of them came back and

sessions every one of them came back and told us your daughter has gender

told us your daughter has gender

told us your daughter has gender dysphoria this is who she is and that’s

dysphoria this is who she is and that’s

dysphoria this is who she is and that’s when I knew that I had to change my days

when I knew that I had to change my days

when I knew that I had to change my days as the caterpillar were over I was going

as the caterpillar were over I was going

as the caterpillar were over I was going to have to transform so for me the

to have to transform so for me the

to have to transform so for me the transformation began by doing more

transformation began by doing more

transformation began by doing more research asking more questions I wasn’t

research asking more questions I wasn’t

research asking more questions I wasn’t able to listen to the same people

able to listen to the same people

able to listen to the same people anymore on the radio I was getting so

anymore on the radio I was getting so

anymore on the radio I was getting so angry at what I was hearing because I

angry at what I was hearing because I

angry at what I was hearing because I was told that we were crazy for

was told that we were crazy for

was told that we were crazy for supporting this I was told that it was

supporting this I was told that it was

supporting this I was told that it was bad parenting and poor judgment and we

bad parenting and poor judgment and we

bad parenting and poor judgment and we were going to do more harm than good

were going to do more harm than good

were going to do more harm than good and unfortunately we had our church and

and unfortunately we had our church and

and unfortunately we had our church and our family and our friends who were all

our family and our friends who were all

our family and our friends who were all rejecting us and walking away now we

rejecting us and walking away now we

rejecting us and walking away now we know that as a caterpillar going into

know that as a caterpillar going into

know that as a caterpillar going into the the transformation it has to build

the the transformation it has to build

the the transformation it has to build itself a chrysalis and inside that

itself a chrysalis and inside that

itself a chrysalis and inside that chrysalis there are some things going on

chrysalis there are some things going on

chrysalis there are some things going on that we never stop to think about we

that we never stop to think about we

that we never stop to think about we think about the beautiful outcome at the

think about the beautiful outcome at the

think about the beautiful outcome at the end but what happened

end but what happened

end but what happened inside is really pretty disgusting so it

inside is really pretty disgusting so it

inside is really pretty disgusting so it actually takes the caterpillar putting

actually takes the caterpillar putting

actually takes the caterpillar putting in some enzymes that makes all of its

in some enzymes that makes all of its

in some enzymes that makes all of its body fall apart it it turns into what is

body fall apart it it turns into what is

body fall apart it it turns into what is essentially Caterpillar soup and inside

essentially Caterpillar soup and inside

essentially Caterpillar soup and inside this soup is all that these few little

this soup is all that these few little

this soup is all that these few little remaining cells are going to need to

remaining cells are going to need to

remaining cells are going to need to start rebuilding that the pieces of the

start rebuilding that the pieces of the

start rebuilding that the pieces of the butterfly that we’re going to see later

butterfly that we’re going to see later

butterfly that we’re going to see later if you would have looked at me at that

if you would have looked at me at that

if you would have looked at me at that time and cut me open I would have had

time and cut me open I would have had

time and cut me open I would have had this disgusting caterpillar soup inside

this disgusting caterpillar soup inside

this disgusting caterpillar soup inside of me everything about my world was

of me everything about my world was

of me everything about my world was changing I left my job and my career

changing I left my job and my career

changing I left my job and my career behind so that I could stay home to

behind so that I could stay home to

behind so that I could stay home to home-school her our friends and family

home-school her our friends and family

home-school her our friends and family were gone I felt completely rejected by

were gone I felt completely rejected by

were gone I felt completely rejected by our church who had told us that our

our church who had told us that our

our church who had told us that our daughter was a sinful manifestation and

daughter was a sinful manifestation and

daughter was a sinful manifestation and that she was not welcome in the church I

that she was not welcome in the church I

that she was not welcome in the church I also had to start rebuilding myself so I

also had to start rebuilding myself so I

also had to start rebuilding myself so I went and found some new friends and

went and found some new friends and

went and found some new friends and these were some trans trans adult women

these were some trans trans adult women

these were some trans trans adult women who gave me a safe space where I could

who gave me a safe space where I could

who gave me a safe space where I could go and start speaking to them and asking

go and start speaking to them and asking

go and start speaking to them and asking them my questions and sharing with them

them my questions and sharing with them

them my questions and sharing with them my fears and they were able to answer

my fears and they were able to answer

my fears and they were able to answer questions and acknowledge those fears

questions and acknowledge those fears

questions and acknowledge those fears but reassure me that things could get

but reassure me that things could get

but reassure me that things could get better so this is something that we see

better so this is something that we see

better so this is something that we see the pretty image on the outside and we

the pretty image on the outside and we

the pretty image on the outside and we think that everything is OK inside but

think that everything is OK inside but

think that everything is OK inside but there is really often a lot of chaos and

there is really often a lot of chaos and

there is really often a lot of chaos and turmoil that’s happening inside of us

turmoil that’s happening inside of us

turmoil that’s happening inside of us when something is uncomfortable and

when something is uncomfortable and

when something is uncomfortable and something hurts you have to ask yourself

something hurts you have to ask yourself

something hurts you have to ask yourself why I was really uncomfortable

why I was really uncomfortable

why I was really uncomfortable going through these changing processes

going through these changing processes

going through these changing processes because I had to evaluate a lot of

because I had to evaluate a lot of

because I had to evaluate a lot of things in my life why had it taken my

things in my life why had it taken my

things in my life why had it taken my might why was my first impression with

might why was my first impression with

might why was my first impression with my daughter announcing who she was to

my daughter announcing who she was to

my daughter announcing who she was to think something negative caused it why

think something negative caused it why

think something negative caused it why couldn’t I just think that that was part

couldn’t I just think that that was part

couldn’t I just think that that was part of who she was why did I have to

of who she was why did I have to

of who she was why did I have to reevaluate so many things that I thought

reevaluate so many things that I thought

reevaluate so many things that I thought were facts that had been taught to me

were facts that had been taught to me

were facts that had been taught to me and thing nature of people and I

and thing nature of people and I

and thing nature of people and I realized that so many of those were

realized that so many of those were

realized that so many of those were actually just opinions that had been

actually just opinions that had been

actually just opinions that had been passed on to me as as facts I needed to

passed on to me as as facts I needed to

passed on to me as as facts I needed to evaluate why I had come from a place of

evaluate why I had come from a place of

evaluate why I had come from a place of privilege and was able to not think

privilege and was able to not think

privilege and was able to not think about where I was praying how I was

about where I was praying how I was

about where I was praying how I was voting or who I was listening to and

voting or who I was listening to and

voting or who I was listening to and what channels I got the news because

what channels I got the news because

what channels I got the news because those things have influenced me to think

those things have influenced me to think

those things have influenced me to think a certain way and I had to reeducate

a certain way and I had to reeducate

a certain way and I had to reeducate myself and it was really uncomfortable

myself and it was really uncomfortable

myself and it was really uncomfortable and it’s really uncomfortable to stand

and it’s really uncomfortable to stand

and it’s really uncomfortable to stand here and tell all of you that I had all

here and tell all of you that I had all

here and tell all of you that I had all of those things wrong but I would like

of those things wrong but I would like

of those things wrong but I would like you to see that this is the happy ending

you to see that this is the happy ending

you to see that this is the happy ending the reason that I show the discomfort on

the reason that I show the discomfort on

the reason that I show the discomfort on the journey of getting here is because

the journey of getting here is because

the journey of getting here is because on the other side outside of my

on the other side outside of my

on the other side outside of my chrysalis when I was able to feel the

chrysalis when I was able to feel the

chrysalis when I was able to feel the warmth of the sunshine on me again I had

warmth of the sunshine on me again I had

warmth of the sunshine on me again I had a beautiful family and I’ve been able to

a beautiful family and I’ve been able to

a beautiful family and I’ve been able to hear from people all across the world

hear from people all across the world

hear from people all across the world that because we stand up and we tell our

that because we stand up and we tell our

that because we stand up and we tell our story that they know that they’re not

story that they know that they’re not

story that they know that they’re not alone as they’re raising a child

alone as they’re raising a child

alone as they’re raising a child mind or they know that because my

mind or they know that because my

mind or they know that because my daughter stood in her truth at such a

daughter stood in her truth at such a

daughter stood in her truth at such a young age that they are now at whatever

young age that they are now at whatever

young age that they are now at whatever age they are able to stand in their own

age they are able to stand in their own

age they are able to stand in their own truth and be authentic for the first

truth and be authentic for the first

truth and be authentic for the first time in their lifetime so I would like

time in their lifetime so I would like

time in their lifetime so I would like to leave you with this today and

to leave you with this today and

to leave you with this today and challenge you no matter where you come

challenge you no matter where you come

challenge you no matter where you come from in the world no matter what the

from in the world no matter what the

from in the world no matter what the caterpillars around you are saying no

caterpillars around you are saying no

caterpillars around you are saying no matter what you face in life that might

matter what you face in life that might

matter what you face in life that might be different than the expectations that

be different than the expectations that

be different than the expectations that you’ve had for your life if you’ve faced

you’ve had for your life if you’ve faced

you’ve had for your life if you’ve faced a difficult circumstance and you’re not

a difficult circumstance and you’re not

a difficult circumstance and you’re not sure what the outcome is going to be and

sure what the outcome is going to be and

sure what the outcome is going to be and you’re approaching it with fear if you

you’re approaching it with fear if you

you’re approaching it with fear if you have to reevaluate all of these beliefs

have to reevaluate all of these beliefs

have to reevaluate all of these beliefs that you’ve had in your life

that you’ve had in your life

that you’ve had in your life it’s okay embrace it

it’s okay embrace it

it’s okay embrace it that transformation could be life

that transformation could be life

that transformation could be life changing and it could be the thing that

changing and it could be the thing that

changing and it could be the thing that sets you free and allows you to finally

sets you free and allows you to finally

sets you free and allows you to finally leave things behind find your wings and

leave things behind find your wings and

leave things behind find your wings and fly off onto your own thank you

fly off onto your own thank you

fly off onto your own thank you [Applause]

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