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Let’s not complicate conservation | Joe Wasilewski | TEDxAarhus


thank you

thank you what can this bucket and conservation

what can this bucket and conservation

what can this bucket and conservation have in common

have in common

have in common Trinidad is an island in the Caribbean

Trinidad is an island in the Caribbean

Trinidad is an island in the Caribbean and it’s a hotbed for a sea turtle

and it’s a hotbed for a sea turtle

and it’s a hotbed for a sea turtle called a leatherback it’s a hotbed for

called a leatherback it’s a hotbed for

called a leatherback it’s a hotbed for their nesting leatherback sea turtles if

their nesting leatherback sea turtles if

their nesting leatherback sea turtles if you don’t know are some of the largest

you don’t know are some of the largest

you don’t know are some of the largest reptiles in the world they can grow to

reptiles in the world they can grow to

reptiles in the world they can grow to be a ton their shells can be more than

be a ton their shells can be more than

be a ton their shells can be more than two-and-a-half meters in length they can

two-and-a-half meters in length they can

two-and-a-half meters in length they can dive down 1,200 meters or more you know

dive down 1,200 meters or more you know

dive down 1,200 meters or more you know what their diet is jellyfish so the

what their diet is jellyfish so the

what their diet is jellyfish so the female turtles come on the beach on the

female turtles come on the beach on the

female turtles come on the beach on the northern coast of Trinidad and they lay

northern coast of Trinidad and they lay

northern coast of Trinidad and they lay eighty to a hundred eggs sixty seventy

eighty to a hundred eggs sixty seventy

eighty to a hundred eggs sixty seventy five days later these eggs hatch and the

five days later these eggs hatch and the

five days later these eggs hatch and the babies go down to the beach into the sea

babies go down to the beach into the sea

babies go down to the beach into the sea to face a life of danger not a lot of

to face a life of danger not a lot of

to face a life of danger not a lot of these baby sea turtles are meant to

these baby sea turtles are meant to

these baby sea turtles are meant to survive way less than 1% besides these

survive way less than 1% besides these

survive way less than 1% besides these natural predators in some areas there

natural predators in some areas there

natural predators in some areas there are what we call unnatural predators

are what we call unnatural predators

are what we call unnatural predators like some of these sea turtle nests

like some of these sea turtle nests

like some of these sea turtle nests hatch near villages where there’s

hatch near villages where there’s

hatch near villages where there’s domestic animals pigs and dogs with

domestic animals pigs and dogs with

domestic animals pigs and dogs with their good sense of sight good sense of

their good sense of sight good sense of

their good sense of sight good sense of smell

smell

smell well find these nests hatching and

well find these nests hatching and

well find these nests hatching and they’ll gobble as many as they can next

they’ll gobble as many as they can next

they’ll gobble as many as they can next in line are chickens

in line are chickens

in line are chickens cats they’ll take a big number

cats they’ll take a big number

cats they’ll take a big number themselves if the turtles are lucky

themselves if the turtles are lucky

themselves if the turtles are lucky enough to get down to the beach the

enough to get down to the beach the

enough to get down to the beach the black vultures pick them off before they

black vultures pick them off before they

black vultures pick them off before they reach the sea enter my heroes

reach the sea enter my heroes

reach the sea enter my heroes some children about 10 to 13 14 years

some children about 10 to 13 14 years

some children about 10 to 13 14 years old and what they do before they go to

old and what they do before they go to

old and what they do before they go to school is they take these buckets and

school is they take these buckets and

school is they take these buckets and they walk along the beach and they

they walk along the beach and they

they walk along the beach and they collect hatchling turtles they put these

collect hatchling turtles they put these

collect hatchling turtles they put these buckets in a secure area lock them up

buckets in a secure area lock them up

buckets in a secure area lock them up and go off to school when they return

and go off to school when they return

and go off to school when they return from school hopefully they do their

from school hopefully they do their

from school hopefully they do their homework they’ll open up this area and

homework they’ll open up this area and

homework they’ll open up this area and allow visitors to come in and view the

allow visitors to come in and view the

allow visitors to come in and view the turtles take photos of them all for a

turtles take photos of them all for a

turtles take photos of them all for a nominal fee at dusk

nominal fee at dusk

nominal fee at dusk they’ll take these buckets down to as

they’ll take these buckets down to as

they’ll take these buckets down to as close to where the nests hatched is

close to where the nests hatched is

close to where the nests hatched is possible and the let the turtles go you

possible and the let the turtles go you

possible and the let the turtles go you have to actually let the turtles go from

have to actually let the turtles go from

have to actually let the turtles go from the nest they were hatched

the nest they were hatched

the nest they were hatched because biologists say and they

because biologists say and they

because biologists say and they biologists never agree but this time

biologists never agree but this time

biologists never agree but this time they do they agree that these turtles

they do they agree that these turtles

they do they agree that these turtles need to go to the sea from the beach

need to go to the sea from the beach

need to go to the sea from the beach they were hatched from in such a fashion

they were hatched from in such a fashion

they were hatched from in such a fashion when they grow up and mature the females

when they grow up and mature the females

when they grow up and mature the females will will return to the same Beach it’s

will will return to the same Beach it’s

will will return to the same Beach it’s amazing so why is this important to me

amazing so why is this important to me

amazing so why is this important to me I’m a conservation biologist been doing

I’m a conservation biologist been doing

I’m a conservation biologist been doing this work for over 40 years I work with

this work for over 40 years I work with

this work for over 40 years I work with animals that people don’t like I work

animals that people don’t like I work

animals that people don’t like I work with lizards dragons venomous snakes

with lizards dragons venomous snakes

with lizards dragons venomous snakes crocodiles as you’ll see later for me

crocodiles as you’ll see later for me

crocodiles as you’ll see later for me after all this time what I found out is

after all this time what I found out is

after all this time what I found out is simplicity like just like this bucket is

simplicity like just like this bucket is

simplicity like just like this bucket is sometimes the best conservation tool you

sometimes the best conservation tool you

sometimes the best conservation tool you don’t have to look any further than the

don’t have to look any further than the

don’t have to look any further than the basic needs of people I also work in a

basic needs of people I also work in a

basic needs of people I also work in a Democratic Republic of Congo actually I

Democratic Republic of Congo actually I

Democratic Republic of Congo actually I work so far out in the forest that if I

work so far out in the forest that if I

work so far out in the forest that if I went any further I’d be coming out

went any further I’d be coming out

went any further I’d be coming out I’ve been there for eight years we

I’ve been there for eight years we

I’ve been there for eight years we employ about forty Congolese people and

employ about forty Congolese people and

employ about forty Congolese people and our job is to monitor forest our job is

our job is to monitor forest our job is

our job is to monitor forest our job is to actually save equatorial African

to actually save equatorial African

to actually save equatorial African rainforests our Congolese workers do

rainforests our Congolese workers do

rainforests our Congolese workers do forest surveys measure plots

forest surveys measure plots

forest surveys measure plots biodiversity surveys measure wildlife

biodiversity surveys measure wildlife

biodiversity surveys measure wildlife whatever’s left agroforestry programs we

whatever’s left agroforestry programs we

whatever’s left agroforestry programs we teach the locals better agricultural

teach the locals better agricultural

teach the locals better agricultural techniques in congo like many parts of

techniques in congo like many parts of

techniques in congo like many parts of africa people really like to eat

africa people really like to eat

africa people really like to eat seasonally caterpillars they go out

seasonally caterpillars they go out

seasonally caterpillars they go out collecting these caterpillars and

collecting these caterpillars and

collecting these caterpillars and they’re from a moth called the Saturn

they’re from a moth called the Saturn

they’re from a moth called the Saturn Mars and what she does the female she

Mars and what she does the female she

Mars and what she does the female she lays her eggs on the bottom of Leafs

lays her eggs on the bottom of Leafs

lays her eggs on the bottom of Leafs trees bushes and many times they only

trees bushes and many times they only

trees bushes and many times they only choose one type of plant it’s called a

choose one type of plant it’s called a

choose one type of plant it’s called a host plant

host plant

host plant so these tiny caterpillars hatched from

so these tiny caterpillars hatched from

so these tiny caterpillars hatched from the egg and they begin feeding on this

the egg and they begin feeding on this

the egg and they begin feeding on this host plant before long they’re about 10

host plant before long they’re about 10

host plant before long they’re about 10 centimeters in length ready to harvest

centimeters in length ready to harvest

centimeters in length ready to harvest people go out into the forest sometimes

people go out into the forest sometimes

people go out into the forest sometimes many kilometres away to collect these

many kilometres away to collect these

many kilometres away to collect these caterpillars often they send children

caterpillars often they send children

caterpillars often they send children now the kids are a lot more nimble than

now the kids are a lot more nimble than

now the kids are a lot more nimble than URI they can get up and down those trees

URI they can get up and down those trees

URI they can get up and down those trees so one time we were out in the Congo I

so one time we were out in the Congo I

so one time we were out in the Congo I was out there with the boss Don talking

was out there with the boss Don talking

was out there with the boss Don talking with our guys and he says do you guys

with our guys and he says do you guys

with our guys and he says do you guys know what the host tree are for these

know what the host tree are for these

know what the host tree are for these caterpillars they really like them they

caterpillars they really like them they

caterpillars they really like them they say of course we do so so the boss said

say of course we do so so the boss said

say of course we do so so the boss said let’s take a couple days let’s go and

let’s take a couple days let’s go and

let’s take a couple days let’s go and collect seeds and saplings from these

collect seeds and saplings from these

collect seeds and saplings from these trees let’s bring them to our nursery

trees let’s bring them to our nursery

trees let’s bring them to our nursery let’s grow them up a little bit and

let’s grow them up a little bit and

let’s grow them up a little bit and plant them around simple enough right we

plant them around simple enough right we

plant them around simple enough right we planted them when they’re about no 3/4

planted them when they’re about no 3/4

planted them when they’re about no 3/4 of a meter high

of a meter high

of a meter high planted them around a compound around

planted them around a compound around

planted them around a compound around people’s homes fallow farmland okay fast

people’s homes fallow farmland okay fast

people’s homes fallow farmland okay fast forward four five years later you’re in

forward four five years later you’re in

forward four five years later you’re in Equatorial Africa

Equatorial Africa

Equatorial Africa these trees are three meters or more in

these trees are three meters or more in

these trees are three meters or more in in height couple September’s ago I got a

in height couple September’s ago I got a

in height couple September’s ago I got a call from one of my managers Philemon

call from one of my managers Philemon

call from one of my managers Philemon he says Joe guess what we’ve got

he says Joe guess what we’ve got

he says Joe guess what we’ve got caterpillars plenty of them what

caterpillars plenty of them what

caterpillars plenty of them what happened was for the few years these

happened was for the few years these

happened was for the few years these trees were going growing nobody paid

trees were going growing nobody paid

trees were going growing nobody paid attention to him when the trees began to

attention to him when the trees began to

attention to him when the trees began to grow up and mature the moss found them

grow up and mature the moss found them

grow up and mature the moss found them they laid their eggs and our guys found

they laid their eggs and our guys found

they laid their eggs and our guys found caterpillars boy were they happy word

caterpillars boy were they happy word

caterpillars boy were they happy word got around and I don’t know if you folks

got around and I don’t know if you folks

got around and I don’t know if you folks have ever heard of the coconut Telegraph

have ever heard of the coconut Telegraph

have ever heard of the coconut Telegraph no internet no electricity but believe

no internet no electricity but believe

no internet no electricity but believe me these villages from far and wide

me these villages from far and wide

me these villages from far and wide heard about this they came to ask our

heard about this they came to ask our

heard about this they came to ask our guys it’s it’s simple you collect the

guys it’s it’s simple you collect the

guys it’s it’s simple you collect the trees in fact some of them put the seeds

trees in fact some of them put the seeds

trees in fact some of them put the seeds in our nursery and they planted them and

in our nursery and they planted them and

in our nursery and they planted them and here you have it simple they made a plan

here you have it simple they made a plan

here you have it simple they made a plan and the plan worked now three things a

and the plan worked now three things a

and the plan worked now three things a win-win-win situation people have a food

win-win-win situation people have a food

win-win-win situation people have a food source close to home they’re growing

source close to home they’re growing

source close to home they’re growing native trees now they’re actually

native trees now they’re actually

native trees now they’re actually reforesting the forest and there’s

reforesting the forest and there’s

reforesting the forest and there’s plenty of caterpillars win/win/win so I

plenty of caterpillars win/win/win so I

plenty of caterpillars win/win/win so I know you’re thinking how do you eat them

they can be broiled they can be baked

they can be broiled they can be baked you could cook them anyway cook any meat

you could cook them anyway cook any meat

you could cook them anyway cook any meat or fish personally I like them fried

Trinidad and Congo were planned

Trinidad and Congo were planned activities sometimes simple conservation

activities sometimes simple conservation

activities sometimes simple conservation is unintentional another project I work

is unintentional another project I work

is unintentional another project I work on is in Florida and in the 1960s 70s

on is in Florida and in the 1960s 70s

on is in Florida and in the 1960s 70s early 70s the population in Florida was

early 70s the population in Florida was

early 70s the population in Florida was booming they needed more power more

booming they needed more power more

booming they needed more power more electricity so a company a local company

electricity so a company a local company

electricity so a company a local company Florida Power and Light built two

Florida Power and Light built two

Florida Power and Light built two nuclear reactors right on Biscayne Bay

nuclear reactors right on Biscayne Bay

nuclear reactors right on Biscayne Bay to supply power and in order to cool

to supply power and in order to cool

to supply power and in order to cool these reactors engineers got together

these reactors engineers got together

these reactors engineers got together and they devised this cooling canal

and they devised this cooling canal

and they devised this cooling canal system it’s about eight kilometers long

system it’s about eight kilometers long

system it’s about eight kilometers long three and a half kilometers wide it’s 32

three and a half kilometers wide it’s 32

three and a half kilometers wide it’s 32 canals and berms end to end in fact if

canals and berms end to end in fact if

canals and berms end to end in fact if you put them in one line they’d be over

you put them in one line they’d be over

you put them in one line they’d be over 260 kilometers long

260 kilometers long

260 kilometers long at the same time lived in the area a

at the same time lived in the area a

at the same time lived in the area a very rare animal the American crocodile

very rare animal the American crocodile

very rare animal the American crocodile now the American crocodile is found in

now the American crocodile is found in

now the American crocodile is found in the Caribbean and parts of the Caribbean

the Caribbean and parts of the Caribbean

the Caribbean and parts of the Caribbean Mexico both coasts Central and South

Mexico both coasts Central and South

Mexico both coasts Central and South America the northernmost extent of their

America the northernmost extent of their

America the northernmost extent of their range is South Florida why at this time

range is South Florida why at this time

range is South Florida why at this time they were they were extremely rare there

they were they were extremely rare there

they were they were extremely rare there was no more than a hundred and fifty to

was no more than a hundred and fifty to

was no more than a hundred and fifty to three hundred non hatchlings in South

three hundred non hatchlings in South

three hundred non hatchlings in South Florida the reasons why they’re so rare

Florida the reasons why they’re so rare

Florida the reasons why they’re so rare is they’re very particular about their

is they’re very particular about their

is they’re very particular about their habitats in their natural history there

habitats in their natural history there

habitats in their natural history there s Chuen animals they live along the

s Chuen animals they live along the

s Chuen animals they live along the coast in mangroves

coast in mangroves

coast in mangroves saltwater yet

saltwater yet

saltwater yet when they hatched from the egg they have

when they hatched from the egg they have

when they hatched from the egg they have no salt excreting glands their

no salt excreting glands their

no salt excreting glands their particular so particular but in a short

particular so particular but in a short

particular so particular but in a short time this cooling canal system came out

time this cooling canal system came out

time this cooling canal system came out there with all the ingredients for their

there with all the ingredients for their

there with all the ingredients for their natural history there’s plenty of food

natural history there’s plenty of food

natural history there’s plenty of food available there’s high berms anywhere

available there’s high berms anywhere

available there’s high berms anywhere from one to three meters high substrate

from one to three meters high substrate

from one to three meters high substrate for nesting which also limits their

for nesting which also limits their

for nesting which also limits their range and when they nest these nest

range and when they nest these nest

range and when they nest these nest because it’s so high they drain on those

because it’s so high they drain on those

because it’s so high they drain on those berms besides the nice substrate our

berms besides the nice substrate our

berms besides the nice substrate our freshwater ponds which was really

freshwater ponds which was really

freshwater ponds which was really lacking probably one of the main reasons

lacking probably one of the main reasons

lacking probably one of the main reasons they were so rare so now the Crocs can

they were so rare so now the Crocs can

they were so rare so now the Crocs can hatch from their egg they can go in the

hatch from their egg they can go in the

hatch from their egg they can go in the freshwater and naturally have their

freshwater and naturally have their

freshwater and naturally have their glands develop and then go out in a

glands develop and then go out in a

glands develop and then go out in a while that was in about 1989 I began

while that was in about 1989 I began

while that was in about 1989 I began working at this place and over that time

working at this place and over that time

working at this place and over that time I have uncovered or observed over 400

I have uncovered or observed over 400

I have uncovered or observed over 400 nests successful nests

nests successful nests

nests successful nests I have personally marked and released

I have personally marked and released

I have personally marked and released 6,000 hatchlings in 2007 American

6,000 hatchlings in 2007 American

6,000 hatchlings in 2007 American crocodiles were down listed by the US

crocodiles were down listed by the US

crocodiles were down listed by the US Fish and Wildlife Service from an

Fish and Wildlife Service from an

Fish and Wildlife Service from an endangered to a threatened species

endangered to a threatened species

endangered to a threatened species partly because of this this proves one

partly because of this this proves one

partly because of this this proves one thing to me that industry can coexist

thing to me that industry can coexist

thing to me that industry can coexist with the environment you see as I said

with the environment you see as I said

with the environment you see as I said simple works but for instance everything

simple works but for instance everything

simple works but for instance everything I need most everything I need for

I need most everything I need for

I need most everything I need for conservation fits in this little pack I

conservation fits in this little pack I

conservation fits in this little pack I even in Congo I carry a flashlight to

even in Congo I carry a flashlight to

even in Congo I carry a flashlight to look for those snakes at night in the

look for those snakes at night in the

look for those snakes at night in the forest and to shine the crocodiles eyes

forest and to shine the crocodiles eyes

forest and to shine the crocodiles eyes and out in the forest there’s no

and out in the forest there’s no

and out in the forest there’s no patterns either you better carry some

patterns either you better carry some

patterns either you better carry some batteries another great tool of mine

batteries another great tool of mine

batteries another great tool of mine happens to be a compass you don’t need

happens to be a compass you don’t need

happens to be a compass you don’t need any batteries for this and not only can

any batteries for this and not only can

any batteries for this and not only can you get into the forest with this you

you get into the forest with this you

you get into the forest with this you can also get out last but not least you

can also get out last but not least you

can also get out last but not least you may have to make your observations in a

may have to make your observations in a

may have to make your observations in a field notebook with my mind I can’t

field notebook with my mind I can’t

field notebook with my mind I can’t remember a lot of things to use this so

what I’m trying to tell you here today

what I’m trying to tell you here today is that simple can go a long way for

is that simple can go a long way for

is that simple can go a long way for being successful and successful for

being successful and successful for

being successful and successful for everyone involved in conservation what

everyone involved in conservation what

everyone involved in conservation what would be your tool thank you

would be your tool thank you

would be your tool thank you [Applause]

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