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highly-decorated actor who’s outed as a

highly-decorated actor who’s outed as a pedophile adding his name to the

pedophile adding his name to the

pedophile adding his name to the ever-growing list of sexual predators in

ever-growing list of sexual predators in

ever-growing list of sexual predators in Hollywood and as a sort of smokescreen

Hollywood and as a sort of smokescreen

Hollywood and as a sort of smokescreen to cover up the allegations against him

to cover up the allegations against him

to cover up the allegations against him he comes out as gay and people see right

he comes out as gay and people see right

he comes out as gay and people see right through it he rightfully faces a massive

through it he rightfully faces a massive

through it he rightfully faces a massive amount of backlash but it’s the wrong

amount of backlash but it’s the wrong

amount of backlash but it’s the wrong kind of backlash because instead of the

kind of backlash because instead of the

kind of backlash because instead of the conversation being Kevin Spacey’s a

conversation being Kevin Spacey’s a

conversation being Kevin Spacey’s a pedophile and thought he could trick us

pedophile and thought he could trick us

pedophile and thought he could trick us it becomes Kevin Spacey insults gay men

and that’s absolutely an issue that

and that’s absolutely an issue that should be talked about the stereotype

should be talked about the stereotype

should be talked about the stereotype that gay men are pedophiles but it’s the

that gay men are pedophiles but it’s the

that gay men are pedophiles but it’s the wrong time for that particular

wrong time for that particular

wrong time for that particular conversation because it gave Kevin

conversation because it gave Kevin

conversation because it gave Kevin Spacey exactly what he wanted it allowed

Spacey exactly what he wanted it allowed

Spacey exactly what he wanted it allowed him to spin that scandal into being

him to spin that scandal into being

him to spin that scandal into being about something other than what it was

about something other than what it was

about something other than what it was which was childhood sexual assault which

which was childhood sexual assault which

which was childhood sexual assault which I’m going to refer to as CSA from here

I’m going to refer to as CSA from here

I’m going to refer to as CSA from here on out

on out

on out and this isn’t honestly all that

and this isn’t honestly all that

and this isn’t honestly all that uncommon on the whole people care about

uncommon on the whole people care about

uncommon on the whole people care about CSI survivors a lot less than they’d

CSI survivors a lot less than they’d

CSI survivors a lot less than they’d like to think they do like you asked any

like to think they do like you asked any

like to think they do like you asked any given person like Oh what are your

given person like Oh what are your

given person like Oh what are your thoughts on pedophilia they’re going to

thoughts on pedophilia they’re going to

thoughts on pedophilia they’re going to tell you that it’s awful and evil and

tell you that it’s awful and evil and

tell you that it’s awful and evil and vile but once you start criticizing the

vile but once you start criticizing the

vile but once you start criticizing the sexualization of children and teenagers

sexualization of children and teenagers

sexualization of children and teenagers in the media or school dress codes or

in the media or school dress codes or

in the media or school dress codes or the role that pedophilia plays in comedy

the role that pedophilia plays in comedy

the role that pedophilia plays in comedy a lot of those same people are a lot

a lot of those same people are a lot

a lot of those same people are a lot less vocal for example daddy jokes a lot

less vocal for example daddy jokes a lot

less vocal for example daddy jokes a lot of people have heard of the daddy jokes

of people have heard of the daddy jokes

of people have heard of the daddy jokes and it’s it’s a sexualized term that you

and it’s it’s a sexualized term that you

and it’s it’s a sexualized term that you use to describe yourself for your hot

use to describe yourself for your hot

use to describe yourself for your hot friend and it’s become super common

friend and it’s become super common

friend and it’s become super common especially with Millennials and because

especially with Millennials and because

especially with Millennials and because it’s become so common the context and

it’s become so common the context and

it’s become so common the context and origin of the word has largely been

origin of the word has largely been

origin of the word has largely been forgotten but the word comes from a kink

forgotten but the word comes from a kink

forgotten but the word comes from a kink a sexual roleplay called daddy damn

a sexual roleplay called daddy damn

a sexual roleplay called daddy damn little girl in which one partner takes

little girl in which one partner takes

little girl in which one partner takes on the role of a parental figure and the

on the role of a parental figure and the

on the role of a parental figure and the other of a child and so for si si

other of a child and so for si si

other of a child and so for si si survivors like hearing this kind of

survivors like hearing this kind of

survivors like hearing this kind of language thrown around very casually is

language thrown around very casually is

language thrown around very casually is obviously very triggering and upsetting

obviously very triggering and upsetting

obviously very triggering and upsetting I I am a survivor I was molested by an

I I am a survivor I was molested by an

I I am a survivor I was molested by an adult man when I was six years old and

adult man when I was six years old and

adult man when I was six years old and he was not a father figure to me but

he was not a father figure to me but

he was not a father figure to me but even so

even so

even so hearing the daddy jokes thrown around

hearing the daddy jokes thrown around

hearing the daddy jokes thrown around will set me off for at minimum the

will set me off for at minimum the

will set me off for at minimum the entire rest of that day because it’s a

entire rest of that day because it’s a

entire rest of that day because it’s a reminder of how pervasive this stuff is

reminder of how pervasive this stuff is

reminder of how pervasive this stuff is and how little empathy people really

and how little empathy people really

and how little empathy people really have for are the experiences of

have for are the experiences of

have for are the experiences of survivors when were children much less

survivors when were children much less

survivors when were children much less when were older and supposed to have

when were older and supposed to have

when were older and supposed to have outgrown the drama and for other

outgrown the drama and for other

outgrown the drama and for other survivors like my best friend Vegas who

survivors like my best friend Vegas who

survivors like my best friend Vegas who was raped by his stepfather for years

was raped by his stepfather for years

was raped by his stepfather for years like that holds an even more sinister

like that holds an even more sinister

like that holds an even more sinister connotation and you know Vegas and I are

connotation and you know Vegas and I are

connotation and you know Vegas and I are both very vocal about this stuff like in

both very vocal about this stuff like in

both very vocal about this stuff like in person and on social media and it’s one

person and on social media and it’s one

person and on social media and it’s one thing when people just don’t know

thing when people just don’t know

thing when people just don’t know because you can explain to them the

because you can explain to them the

because you can explain to them the context and and what it really means and

context and and what it really means and

context and and what it really means and they have their moment with like oh my

they have their moment with like oh my

they have their moment with like oh my god I had no idea and then they can

god I had no idea and then they can

god I had no idea and then they can change their behavior but what’s much

change their behavior but what’s much

change their behavior but what’s much more common is you have people who no

more common is you have people who no

more common is you have people who no matter if you talk to them one-on-one no

matter if you talk to them one-on-one no

matter if you talk to them one-on-one no matter how many times they hear you talk

matter how many times they hear you talk

matter how many times they hear you talk about this stuff it’s inconvenient for

about this stuff it’s inconvenient for

about this stuff it’s inconvenient for them to reevaluate their behavior or

them to reevaluate their behavior or

them to reevaluate their behavior or they don’t want to accept that it’s

they don’t want to accept that it’s

they don’t want to accept that it’s actually harmful so they just don’t stop

actually harmful so they just don’t stop

actually harmful so they just don’t stop and because of that and the stuff you

and because of that and the stuff you

and because of that and the stuff you just hear day-to-day it’s very hard to

just hear day-to-day it’s very hard to

just hear day-to-day it’s very hard to go more than like a day or two without

go more than like a day or two without

go more than like a day or two without being reminded of your status as a

being reminded of your status as a

being reminded of your status as a survivor and being reminded of how

survivor and being reminded of how

survivor and being reminded of how isolating that is I think something a

isolating that is I think something a

isolating that is I think something a lot of people don’t realize is how much

lot of people don’t realize is how much

lot of people don’t realize is how much being assaulted in childhood impacts the

being assaulted in childhood impacts the

being assaulted in childhood impacts the entire rest of your life it’s not well

entire rest of your life it’s not well

entire rest of your life it’s not well you were little and so you know kids

you were little and so you know kids

you were little and so you know kids don’t have real feelings and once you’re

don’t have real feelings and once you’re

don’t have real feelings and once you’re older you’re fine because when you are

older you’re fine because when you are

older you’re fine because when you are raped as a child your brain is dealing

raped as a child your brain is dealing

raped as a child your brain is dealing with some heavy adult stuff before it’s

with some heavy adult stuff before it’s

with some heavy adult stuff before it’s a fully developed adult brain and when

a fully developed adult brain and when

a fully developed adult brain and when you’re in this very specific window of

you’re in this very specific window of

you’re in this very specific window of six to nine years old your brains in a

six to nine years old your brains in a

six to nine years old your brains in a very sensitive stage of cognitive and

very sensitive stage of cognitive and

very sensitive stage of cognitive and emotional development and as a means of

emotional development and as a means of

emotional development and as a means of coping I’m in in the context of this

coping I’m in in the context of this

coping I’m in in the context of this talk I’m going to be talking

talk I’m going to be talking

talk I’m going to be talking specifically in regards to pedophilia

specifically in regards to pedophilia

specifically in regards to pedophilia but any kinds of abuse experienced in

but any kinds of abuse experienced in

but any kinds of abuse experienced in that six to nine year window as a means

that six to nine year window as a means

that six to nine year window as a means of processing what’s happening your

of processing what’s happening your

of processing what’s happening your brain can create a new identity a lot of

brain can create a new identity a lot of

brain can create a new identity a lot of people are familiar with multiple

people are familiar with multiple

people are familiar with multiple personalities disorder which is the

personalities disorder which is the

personalities disorder which is the outdated term for what’s known today as

outdated term for what’s known today as

outdated term for what’s known today as dissociative eye

dissociative eye

dissociative eye any disorder or D ID and I think one of

any disorder or D ID and I think one of

any disorder or D ID and I think one of the biggest misconceptions about D ID is

the biggest misconceptions about D ID is

the biggest misconceptions about D ID is tied up in the word personality because

tied up in the word personality because

tied up in the word personality because people hear that and it’s easy to

people hear that and it’s easy to

people hear that and it’s easy to conceptualize it as like putting on a

conceptualize it as like putting on a

conceptualize it as like putting on a mask or playing a character which makes

mask or playing a character which makes

mask or playing a character which makes it very easy to discount the ideas like

it very easy to discount the ideas like

it very easy to discount the ideas like just a delusion or well sure we believe

just a delusion or well sure we believe

just a delusion or well sure we believe he believes it but we all know he’s

he believes it but we all know he’s

he believes it but we all know he’s crazy because the thing is your brain is

crazy because the thing is your brain is

crazy because the thing is your brain is really really good at what it does so it

really really good at what it does so it

really really good at what it does so it goes all the way and when it creates

goes all the way and when it creates

goes all the way and when it creates someone new and and that person is not

someone new and and that person is not

someone new and and that person is not like a two-dimensional character it’s a

like a two-dimensional character it’s a

like a two-dimensional character it’s a real fully developed person just as real

real fully developed person just as real

real fully developed person just as real as the kid who was there first so the

as the kid who was there first so the

as the kid who was there first so the term we don’t use personality the term

term we don’t use personality the term

term we don’t use personality the term we use is alter and because most people

we use is alter and because most people

we use is alter and because most people with GID have more than just one author

with GID have more than just one author

with GID have more than just one author the term for all alters collectively is

the term for all alters collectively is

the term for all alters collectively is a system so once you have the system

a system so once you have the system

a system so once you have the system that’s created any other traumas that

that’s created any other traumas that

that’s created any other traumas that occur throughout the lifetime have the

occur throughout the lifetime have the

occur throughout the lifetime have the potential to create new halters so the

potential to create new halters so the

potential to create new halters so the person who this body originally

person who this body originally

person who this body originally belonging to her name is Maddy and she

belonging to her name is Maddy and she

belonging to her name is Maddy and she was like I said molested when we were

was like I said molested when we were

was like I said molested when we were six and it’s Maddy and then Percy and

six and it’s Maddy and then Percy and

six and it’s Maddy and then Percy and math were the first two altars that

math were the first two altars that

math were the first two altars that showed up as a result of that initial

showed up as a result of that initial

showed up as a result of that initial trauma and then when we were in high

trauma and then when we were in high

trauma and then when we were in high school

school

school Maddy was in an abusive relationship for

Maddy was in an abusive relationship for

Maddy was in an abusive relationship for a few years and I Ross hey was created

a few years and I Ross hey was created

a few years and I Ross hey was created during that time to help her cope and a

during that time to help her cope and a

during that time to help her cope and a few years after that once we were able

few years after that once we were able

few years after that once we were able to finally get away from the abusive

to finally get away from the abusive

to finally get away from the abusive girlfriend for good Maddy was

girlfriend for good Maddy was

girlfriend for good Maddy was essentially like I’m very small and my

essentially like I’m very small and my

essentially like I’m very small and my life has been garbage and I don’t want

life has been garbage and I don’t want

life has been garbage and I don’t want to be here anymore it’s your turn so she

to be here anymore it’s your turn so she

to be here anymore it’s your turn so she sort of went into hibernation and left

sort of went into hibernation and left

sort of went into hibernation and left left me to take to run things

left me to take to run things

left me to take to run things Fox stood up not too long after that and

Fox stood up not too long after that and

Fox stood up not too long after that and after him

after him

after him Sawyer Bucky and Steve so there’s eight

Sawyer Bucky and Steve so there’s eight

Sawyer Bucky and Steve so there’s eight of us in our system and I think I think

of us in our system and I think I think

of us in our system and I think I think people have it’s easier to understand

people have it’s easier to understand

people have it’s easier to understand the difference between authors by like

the difference between authors by like

the difference between authors by like interacting with them rather than just

interacting with them rather than just

interacting with them rather than just hearing about them so we’re actually

hearing about them so we’re actually

hearing about them so we’re actually going to have Fox take over for a little

going to have Fox take over for a little

going to have Fox take over for a little bit please excuse the boys crack Oh

bit please excuse the boys crack Oh

bit please excuse the boys crack Oh ifox take over for a little bit Hey

ifox take over for a little bit Hey

ifox take over for a little bit Hey just as a disclaimer we don’t this isn’t

just as a disclaimer we don’t this isn’t

just as a disclaimer we don’t this isn’t like a party trick you don’t usually

like a party trick you don’t usually

like a party trick you don’t usually just turn it on and off we can but we

just turn it on and off we can but we

just turn it on and off we can but we don’t we have sorry we have this we’ve

don’t we have sorry we have this we’ve

don’t we have sorry we have this we’ve rehearsed this but anyway like Ross said

rehearsed this but anyway like Ross said

rehearsed this but anyway like Ross said my name is Fox the term for what I’m

my name is Fox the term for what I’m

my name is Fox the term for what I’m doing right now talking interacting with

doing right now talking interacting with

doing right now talking interacting with the world controlling our body is called

the world controlling our body is called

the world controlling our body is called fronting we’ve worked really hard with

fronting we’ve worked really hard with

fronting we’ve worked really hard with in our system to have strong internal

in our system to have strong internal

in our system to have strong internal communication which allows us to have

communication which allows us to have

communication which allows us to have pretty good control over who is fronting

pretty good control over who is fronting

pretty good control over who is fronting when we’ve known other systems with

when we’ve known other systems with

when we’ve known other systems with significantly poorer communication who

significantly poorer communication who

significantly poorer communication who have little to no control over who pops

have little to no control over who pops

have little to no control over who pops in and out so I wanted to talk about one

in and out so I wanted to talk about one

in and out so I wanted to talk about one of the the biggest misconceptions second

of the the biggest misconceptions second

of the the biggest misconceptions second biggest I guess misconceptions about D

biggest I guess misconceptions about D

biggest I guess misconceptions about D ID is one that you see perpetuated in

ID is one that you see perpetuated in

ID is one that you see perpetuated in the media a lot you haven’t movies like

the media a lot you haven’t movies like

the media a lot you haven’t movies like split or like that one episode of any

split or like that one episode of any

split or like that one episode of any given crime procedural drama where it’s

given crime procedural drama where it’s

given crime procedural drama where it’s this person has di D and one of their

this person has di D and one of their

this person has di D and one of their alters is a serial killer can they be

alters is a serial killer can they be

alters is a serial killer can they be stopped and the thing about that aside

stopped and the thing about that aside

stopped and the thing about that aside from the fact that it’s wildly untrue is

from the fact that it’s wildly untrue is

from the fact that it’s wildly untrue is that the trope plays off of existing

that the trope plays off of existing

that the trope plays off of existing stereotypes about di D which paint it as

stereotypes about di D which paint it as

stereotypes about di D which paint it as one of the quote-unquote scarier mental

one of the quote-unquote scarier mental

one of the quote-unquote scarier mental illnesses as opposed to say anxiety and

illnesses as opposed to say anxiety and

illnesses as opposed to say anxiety and depression because for most people it’s

depression because for most people it’s

depression because for most people it’s hard to imagine you know sharing your

hard to imagine you know sharing your

hard to imagine you know sharing your body and head with other people but the

body and head with other people but the

body and head with other people but the thing is the best way I can articulate

thing is the best way I can articulate

thing is the best way I can articulate di D is it’s like living with roommates

di D is it’s like living with roommates

di D is it’s like living with roommates only they’re inside your head right if

only they’re inside your head right if

only they’re inside your head right if you uh if you don’t can’t communicate

you uh if you don’t can’t communicate

you uh if you don’t can’t communicate you’re gonna have problems some of you

you’re gonna have problems some of you

you’re gonna have problems some of you are significantly worse at remembering

are significantly worse at remembering

are significantly worse at remembering to do the dishes and you inhabit the

to do the dishes and you inhabit the

to do the dishes and you inhabit the same physical space so another question

same physical space so another question

same physical space so another question we get whenever we talk about our

we get whenever we talk about our

we get whenever we talk about our communication is how logistically that

communication is how logistically that

communication is how logistically that works think about any form of media

works think about any form of media

works think about any form of media you’ve interacted with in which someone

you’ve interacted with in which someone

you’ve interacted with in which someone can read minds and they hear other

can read minds and they hear other

can read minds and they hear other people’s thoughts inside their own head

people’s thoughts inside their own head

people’s thoughts inside their own head but all the

but all the

but all the voices sound different because they’re

voices sound different because they’re

voices sound different because they’re all coming from different people again

all coming from different people again

all coming from different people again because authors were our own distinct

because authors were our own distinct

because authors were our own distinct people we all have our own distinct

people we all have our own distinct

people we all have our own distinct voices so it’s literally just internal

voices so it’s literally just internal

voices so it’s literally just internal communication sharing thoughts and

communication sharing thoughts and

communication sharing thoughts and feelings and the thing the because like

feelings and the thing the because like

feelings and the thing the because like I say this is media right it’s media it

I say this is media right it’s media it

I say this is media right it’s media it tends to be very stigmatizing when

tends to be very stigmatizing when

tends to be very stigmatizing when talking about mental health in general

talking about mental health in general

talking about mental health in general but especially the rarer disorders like

but especially the rarer disorders like

but especially the rarer disorders like di D so because most people haven’t

di D so because most people haven’t

di D so because most people haven’t interacted with anyone with D ID most of

interacted with anyone with D ID most of

interacted with anyone with D ID most of the information they have about it is

the information they have about it is

the information they have about it is likely to come from stigmatizing media

likely to come from stigmatizing media

likely to come from stigmatizing media which makes it harder for people who

which makes it harder for people who

which makes it harder for people who have D ID to be visible about our

have D ID to be visible about our

have D ID to be visible about our experiences and a lot of the the stigma

experiences and a lot of the the stigma

experiences and a lot of the the stigma that exists also extends to the field of

that exists also extends to the field of

that exists also extends to the field of psychology you have a lot of therapists

psychology you have a lot of therapists

psychology you have a lot of therapists who don’t believe di D exists at all

who don’t believe di D exists at all

who don’t believe di D exists at all a lot of intro to psych classes will

a lot of intro to psych classes will

a lot of intro to psych classes will describe it as this is a term that

describe it as this is a term that

describe it as this is a term that exists most of us don’t believe in it

exists most of us don’t believe in it

exists most of us don’t believe in it watch the movie Sybil and move on and

watch the movie Sybil and move on and

watch the movie Sybil and move on and the movie Sybil is a wildly inaccurate

the movie Sybil is a wildly inaccurate

the movie Sybil is a wildly inaccurate depiction of di D and it’s since been

depiction of di D and it’s since been

depiction of di D and it’s since been proven that the woman it describes Sybil

proven that the woman it describes Sybil

proven that the woman it describes Sybil did not actually have di D so you can

did not actually have di D so you can

did not actually have di D so you can imagine how that goes but our

imagine how that goes but our

imagine how that goes but our psychiatrist told us about a year ago

psychiatrist told us about a year ago

psychiatrist told us about a year ago that most therapists will not knowingly

that most therapists will not knowingly

that most therapists will not knowingly take on a client who already has a di D

take on a client who already has a di D

take on a client who already has a di D diagnosis and we did find this in our

diagnosis and we did find this in our

diagnosis and we did find this in our personal experience to be the case

personal experience to be the case

personal experience to be the case because di D is also accompanied by

because di D is also accompanied by

because di D is also accompanied by almost always anxiety depression PTSD

almost always anxiety depression PTSD

almost always anxiety depression PTSD but can also be accompanied by disorders

but can also be accompanied by disorders

but can also be accompanied by disorders personality disorders eating disorders

personality disorders eating disorders

personality disorders eating disorders psychosis and schizophrenia

psychosis and schizophrenia

psychosis and schizophrenia so most like most psychologists a lot of

so most like most psychologists a lot of

so most like most psychologists a lot of therapists will just not want to deal

therapists will just not want to deal

therapists will just not want to deal with with everything you come with so

with with everything you come with so

with with everything you come with so our psychiatrist told us that we should

our psychiatrist told us that we should

our psychiatrist told us that we should pretend we didn’t have a diagnosis

pretend we didn’t have a diagnosis

pretend we didn’t have a diagnosis wait for a therapist to get to give us

wait for a therapist to get to give us

wait for a therapist to get to give us their own diagnosis and take it from

their own diagnosis and take it from

their own diagnosis and take it from there which is a lot of work just to

there which is a lot of work just to

there which is a lot of work just to find out if a therapist will work with

find out if a therapist will work with

find out if a therapist will work with you at all

you at all

you at all so we after about six months and several

so we after about six months and several

so we after about six months and several traumatic therapy experiences we did

traumatic therapy experiences we did

traumatic therapy experiences we did find the therapist

find the therapist

find the therapist we have now who is a blessing and while

we have now who is a blessing and while

we have now who is a blessing and while we’re on the topic of therapy so there’s

we’re on the topic of therapy so there’s

we’re on the topic of therapy so there’s two there’s really a good kind of

two there’s really a good kind of

two there’s really a good kind of therapy for di D and a bad kind and it

therapy for di D and a bad kind and it

therapy for di D and a bad kind and it can be easy to assume that the way to

can be easy to assume that the way to

can be easy to assume that the way to treat di D is is to get rid of the

treat di D is is to get rid of the

treat di D is is to get rid of the system which is not the case thing about

system which is not the case thing about

system which is not the case thing about di D is the problem with it is not the

di D is the problem with it is not the

di D is the problem with it is not the presence of the system it’s the trauma

presence of the system it’s the trauma

presence of the system it’s the trauma that caused it so you want to treat di D

that caused it so you want to treat di D

that caused it so you want to treat di D for PTSD but you’ve got the bad kind of

for PTSD but you’ve got the bad kind of

for PTSD but you’ve got the bad kind of therapy which insists on the idea of

therapy which insists on the idea of

therapy which insists on the idea of integration which is mashing all the

integration which is mashing all the

integration which is mashing all the altars back up into one person and for a

altars back up into one person and for a

altars back up into one person and for a very very small number of people with di

very very small number of people with di

very very small number of people with di D this is a desirable solution but for

D this is a desirable solution but for

D this is a desirable solution but for most of us who knowingly wants to not a

most of us who knowingly wants to not a

most of us who knowingly wants to not a not exist tomorrow so the good kind of

not exist tomorrow so the good kind of

not exist tomorrow so the good kind of therapy leaves that decision up to the

therapy leaves that decision up to the

therapy leaves that decision up to the person with di D in their system our

person with di D in their system our

person with di D in their system our current therapist the first session we

current therapist the first session we

current therapist the first session we had with her she asked us if we were

had with her she asked us if we were

had with her she asked us if we were interested in integration we said no and

interested in integration we said no and

interested in integration we said no and she has not brought it up since well she

she has not brought it up since well she

she has not brought it up since well she has told us is that in systems like ours

has told us is that in systems like ours

has told us is that in systems like ours where communication is sound that di D

where communication is sound that di D

where communication is sound that di D is one of the healthiest coping

is one of the healthiest coping

is one of the healthiest coping mechanisms the brain has for dealing

mechanisms the brain has for dealing

mechanisms the brain has for dealing with trauma so we’re all we’re all very

with trauma so we’re all we’re all very

with trauma so we’re all we’re all very close in our system we look out for each

close in our system we look out for each

close in our system we look out for each other

other

other if Ross is having a tough time someone

if Ross is having a tough time someone

if Ross is having a tough time someone else will step in so they don’t have to

else will step in so they don’t have to

else will step in so they don’t have to front until they’re more stable and we

front until they’re more stable and we

front until they’re more stable and we in our personal experience di D has been

in our personal experience di D has been

in our personal experience di D has been a very good thing that came out of

a very good thing that came out of

a very good thing that came out of something horrible Ross again um so just

something horrible Ross again um so just

something horrible Ross again um so just sort of in closing here I just wanted to

sort of in closing here I just wanted to

sort of in closing here I just wanted to emphasize again like si si and di D are

emphasize again like si si and di D are

emphasize again like si si and di D are both deeply misunderstood and super

both deeply misunderstood and super

both deeply misunderstood and super super stigmatized and that leads to

super stigmatized and that leads to

super stigmatized and that leads to silencing stigma is always used as a

silencing stigma is always used as a

silencing stigma is always used as a tool of suppression which makes it hard

tool of suppression which makes it hard

tool of suppression which makes it hard for people to talk about their

for people to talk about their

for people to talk about their experiences for people to empathize with

experiences for people to empathize with

experiences for people to empathize with experiences that they can’t personally

experiences that they can’t personally

experiences that they can’t personally understand and it allows people like

understand and it allows people like

understand and it allows people like Kevin Spacey to get away with it so like

Kevin Spacey to get away with it so like

Kevin Spacey to get away with it so like empathy is the biggest thing we can

empathy is the biggest thing we can

empathy is the biggest thing we can stress here today just please care about

stress here today just please care about

stress here today just please care about children listen to children when they

children listen to children when they

children listen to children when they talk about experiences listen to any

talk about experiences listen to any

talk about experiences listen to any survivors when they

survivors when they

survivors when they aren’t able to talk about their

aren’t able to talk about their

aren’t able to talk about their experiences and look out for each other

experiences and look out for each other

experiences and look out for each other thank you

thank you

thank you [Applause]

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