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I was the CEO of a large religious

I was the CEO of a large religious nonprofit the host of a national

nonprofit the host of a national

nonprofit the host of a national television show I preached in mega

television show I preached in mega

television show I preached in mega churches I was a successful

churches I was a successful

churches I was a successful well-educated white American male the

well-educated white American male the

well-educated white American male the poet and mystic Thomas Merton said it’s

poet and mystic Thomas Merton said it’s

poet and mystic Thomas Merton said it’s a difficult thing to climb to the top of

a difficult thing to climb to the top of

a difficult thing to climb to the top of the ladder of success only to realize

the ladder of success only to realize

the ladder of success only to realize when you get there that your ladders

when you get there that your ladders

when you get there that your ladders been leaning against the wrong wall I

knew from the time I was three or four

knew from the time I was three or four years of age I was transgender in my

years of age I was transgender in my

years of age I was transgender in my naivete I thought I got to choose I

naivete I thought I got to choose I

naivete I thought I got to choose I thought a gender fairy would arrive and

thought a gender fairy would arrive and

thought a gender fairy would arrive and say okay the time has come

say okay the time has come

say okay the time has come but alas no gender fairy arrived so I

but alas no gender fairy arrived so I

but alas no gender fairy arrived so I just lived my life I didn’t hate being a

just lived my life I didn’t hate being a

just lived my life I didn’t hate being a boy I just knew I wasn’t one went to

boy I just knew I wasn’t one went to

boy I just knew I wasn’t one went to college got married had kids built a

college got married had kids built a

college got married had kids built a career but the call toward authenticity

career but the call toward authenticity

career but the call toward authenticity has all the subtlety of a smoke alarm

has all the subtlety of a smoke alarm

has all the subtlety of a smoke alarm and eventually decisions have to be made

and eventually decisions have to be made

and eventually decisions have to be made so I came out as transgender and I lost

so I came out as transgender and I lost

so I came out as transgender and I lost all of my jobs I had never had a bad

all of my jobs I had never had a bad

all of my jobs I had never had a bad review and I lost every single job in 21

review and I lost every single job in 21

review and I lost every single job in 21 states you can’t be fired for being

states you can’t be fired for being

states you can’t be fired for being transgender but in all 50 you can be

transgender but in all 50 you can be

transgender but in all 50 you can be fired if you’re transgender and you work

fired if you’re transgender and you work

fired if you’re transgender and you work for a religious corporation good to know

it’s not easy being a transgender woman

it’s not easy being a transgender woman people sometimes ask do you feel 100%

people sometimes ask do you feel 100%

people sometimes ask do you feel 100% like a woman and I say well if you’ve

like a woman and I say well if you’ve

like a woman and I say well if you’ve talked to one transgender person you’ve

talked to one transgender person you’ve

talked to one transgender person you’ve talked to exactly one transgender person

talked to exactly one transgender person

talked to exactly one transgender person I can’t speak for anybody else I feel

I can’t speak for anybody else I feel

I can’t speak for anybody else I feel 100% like a transgender woman there are

100% like a transgender woman there are

100% like a transgender woman there are things a cisgender woman knows I will

things a cisgender woman knows I will

things a cisgender woman knows I will never know that said I am learning a lot

never know that said I am learning a lot

never know that said I am learning a lot about what it means to be a female and

about what it means to be a female and

about what it means to be a female and I’m learning a lot about my former

I’m learning a lot about my former

I’m learning a lot about my former gender I have the unique experience of

gender I have the unique experience of

gender I have the unique experience of having lived life from both sides and

having lived life from both sides and

having lived life from both sides and I’m here to tell you the differences are

I’m here to tell you the differences are

I’m here to tell you the differences are massive

so I’ll start with the small stuff like

so I’ll start with the small stuff like the pockets on women’s jeans

[Applause]

[Applause] she had put a phone in there paper clip

she had put a phone in there paper clip

she had put a phone in there paper clip maybe or the sizing of women’s clothing

maybe or the sizing of women’s clothing

maybe or the sizing of women’s clothing do the numbers mean anything what is a

do the numbers mean anything what is a

do the numbers mean anything what is a double zero and ladies I doubt you’ve

double zero and ladies I doubt you’ve

double zero and ladies I doubt you’ve thought about this but do you know there

thought about this but do you know there

thought about this but do you know there is never a time in the life of a male

is never a time in the life of a male

is never a time in the life of a male that he has to worry about whether or

that he has to worry about whether or

that he has to worry about whether or not an article of his clothing is

not an article of his clothing is

not an article of his clothing is accidentally going to drop into the

accidentally going to drop into the

accidentally going to drop into the toilet not a long sweater not a belt

toilet not a long sweater not a belt

toilet not a long sweater not a belt nothing

nothing

nothing never even a passing thought no I I get

never even a passing thought no I I get

never even a passing thought no I I get my hair cut about half as often as I

my hair cut about half as often as I

my hair cut about half as often as I used to but it costs ten times as much

used to but it costs ten times as much

used to but it costs ten times as much so I can go on vacation or I can get my

so I can go on vacation or I can get my

so I can go on vacation or I can get my hair cut I cannot do both I keep bumping

hair cut I cannot do both I keep bumping

hair cut I cannot do both I keep bumping into gender differences everywhere I go

into gender differences everywhere I go

into gender differences everywhere I go sometimes literally I’m walking down the

sometimes literally I’m walking down the

sometimes literally I’m walking down the hallway and I just bump into it there’s

hallway and I just bump into it there’s

hallway and I just bump into it there’s nothing in the way and I just bump into

nothing in the way and I just bump into

nothing in the way and I just bump into it I think what’s that about and I know

it I think what’s that about and I know

it I think what’s that about and I know it’s gonna leave a bruise because now

it’s gonna leave a bruise because now

it’s gonna leave a bruise because now that my skin is thinner I have bruises

that my skin is thinner I have bruises

that my skin is thinner I have bruises absolutely everywhere how I experience

absolutely everywhere how I experience

absolutely everywhere how I experience my sexuality is profoundly different

my sexuality is profoundly different

my sexuality is profoundly different it’s less visual and more holistic less

it’s less visual and more holistic less

it’s less visual and more holistic less of a body experience and more of a being

of a body experience and more of a being

of a body experience and more of a being experience I cannot count the number of

experience I cannot count the number of

experience I cannot count the number of times I’ve said to Kathy my former wife

times I’ve said to Kathy my former wife

times I’ve said to Kathy my former wife I am so so sorry

I am so so sorry

I am so so sorry I just didn’t know what I didn’t know

I just didn’t know what I didn’t know

I just didn’t know what I didn’t know there is no way a well-educated white

there is no way a well-educated white

there is no way a well-educated white male can understand how much the culture

male can understand how much the culture

male can understand how much the culture is tilted in his favor there’s no way he

is tilted in his favor there’s no way he

is tilted in his favor there’s no way he can understand it because it’s all he’s

can understand it because it’s all he’s

can understand it because it’s all he’s ever known and all he ever will know and

ever known and all he ever will know and

ever known and all he ever will know and conversely there’s no way that a woman

conversely there’s no way that a woman

conversely there’s no way that a woman can understand the full import of that

can understand the full import of that

can understand the full import of that because being a female is all she’s ever

because being a female is all she’s ever

because being a female is all she’s ever known she might have an inkling that

known she might have an inkling that

known she might have an inkling that she’s working twice as hard for half as

she’s working twice as hard for half as

she’s working twice as hard for half as much but she has no idea how much harder

much but she has no idea how much harder

much but she has no idea how much harder it is for her if it is for the guy in

it is for her if it is for the guy in

it is for her if it is for the guy in the Brooks Brothers jacket in the office

the Brooks Brothers jacket in the office

the Brooks Brothers jacket in the office across the hall I know I was that guy

across the hall I know I was that guy

across the hall I know I was that guy and I thought I was one of the good guys

and I thought I was one of the good guys

and I thought I was one of the good guys sensitive to women egalitarian then came

sensitive to women egalitarian then came

sensitive to women egalitarian then came the first time I ever flew as a female

the first time I ever flew as a female

the first time I ever flew as a female now I’ve flown over 2.3 million miles

now I’ve flown over 2.3 million miles

now I’ve flown over 2.3 million miles with American Airlines

with American Airlines

with American Airlines I know my way around an airplane an

I know my way around an airplane an

I know my way around an airplane an American was great through my transition

American was great through my transition

American was great through my transition but that does not mean their passengers

but that does not mean their passengers

but that does not mean their passengers were the first time I flew is Paula I

were the first time I flew is Paula I

were the first time I flew is Paula I was going from Denver to Charlotte and I

was going from Denver to Charlotte and I

was going from Denver to Charlotte and I got to the plane and there was stuff in

got to the plane and there was stuff in

got to the plane and there was stuff in my seat so I picked it up to put my

my seat so I picked it up to put my

my seat so I picked it up to put my stuff down and a guy said that’s my

stuff down and a guy said that’s my

stuff down and a guy said that’s my stuff I said okay but it’s in my seat so

stuff I said okay but it’s in my seat so

stuff I said okay but it’s in my seat so I’ll just hold it for you until you find

I’ll just hold it for you until you find

I’ll just hold it for you until you find your seat and then I’ll give it to you

your seat and then I’ll give it to you

your seat and then I’ll give it to you he said lady that is my seat I said yeah

he said lady that is my seat I said yeah

he said lady that is my seat I said yeah actually it’s not it’s my seat 1d 1d but

actually it’s not it’s my seat 1d 1d but

actually it’s not it’s my seat 1d 1d but I’ll be glad to hold your stuff until

I’ll be glad to hold your stuff until

I’ll be glad to hold your stuff until you find your seat he said what do I

you find your seat he said what do I

you find your seat he said what do I have to tell you that is my seat I said

have to tell you that is my seat I said

have to tell you that is my seat I said yeah it’s not

at which point the guy behind me said

at which point the guy behind me said lady would you take your effing argument

lady would you take your effing argument

lady would you take your effing argument elsewhere so I can get in the air

elsewhere so I can get in the air

elsewhere so I can get in the air airplane I was absolutely stunned I had

airplane I was absolutely stunned I had

airplane I was absolutely stunned I had never been treated like that as a male I

never been treated like that as a male I

never been treated like that as a male I would have said I believe that’s my seat

would have said I believe that’s my seat

would have said I believe that’s my seat and the guy immediately would have

and the guy immediately would have

and the guy immediately would have looked at his boarding pass and said oh

looked at his boarding pass and said oh

looked at his boarding pass and said oh I’m sorry I know that because it

I’m sorry I know that because it

I’m sorry I know that because it happened all the time the flight

happened all the time the flight

happened all the time the flight attendant took our boarding passes she

attendant took our boarding passes she

attendant took our boarding passes she said to the guy sir you’re in 1c she is

said to the guy sir you’re in 1c she is

said to the guy sir you’re in 1c she is in 1d I put his stuff down in 1c he said

in 1d I put his stuff down in 1c he said

in 1d I put his stuff down in 1c he said not one single word and of course you

not one single word and of course you

not one single word and of course you know who was next to me in 1f mister

know who was next to me in 1f mister

know who was next to me in 1f mister would you take your effing argument

would you take your effing argument

would you take your effing argument elsewhere so my friend Karen who works

elsewhere so my friend Karen who works

elsewhere so my friend Karen who works for American came on the plane to get

for American came on the plane to get

for American came on the plane to get the pilot his paperwork she left and

the pilot his paperwork she left and

the pilot his paperwork she left and waved goodbye when I got to Charlotte

waved goodbye when I got to Charlotte

waved goodbye when I got to Charlotte she called me she said Paula what

she called me she said Paula what

she called me she said Paula what happened you were as white as a sheet I

happened you were as white as a sheet I

happened you were as white as a sheet I told her and she said yeah welcome to

told her and she said yeah welcome to

told her and she said yeah welcome to the world of women now the truth is I

the world of women now the truth is I

the world of women now the truth is I will not live long enough to lose my

will not live long enough to lose my

will not live long enough to lose my male privilege I brought it with me when

male privilege I brought it with me when

male privilege I brought it with me when I transitioned a lot of decades of being

I transitioned a lot of decades of being

I transitioned a lot of decades of being a man but that doesn’t mean I don’t see

a man but that doesn’t mean I don’t see

a man but that doesn’t mean I don’t see my power diminishing let me tell you

my power diminishing let me tell you

my power diminishing let me tell you another thing I’ve observed apparently

another thing I’ve observed apparently

another thing I’ve observed apparently since I became a female I have become

since I became a female I have become

since I became a female I have become stupid

yeah I guess it’s the loss of

yeah I guess it’s the loss of testosterone and the arrival of estrogen

testosterone and the arrival of estrogen

testosterone and the arrival of estrogen that has caused me to lose the brain

that has caused me to lose the brain

that has caused me to lose the brain cells necessary to be a fully

cells necessary to be a fully

cells necessary to be a fully functioning adult human either that or

functioning adult human either that or

functioning adult human either that or I’m as smart as I ever was it’s just now

I’m as smart as I ever was it’s just now

I’m as smart as I ever was it’s just now I’m constantly being subjected to men’s

I’m constantly being subjected to men’s

I’m constantly being subjected to men’s blaming so I was in my local Denver bike

blaming so I was in my local Denver bike

blaming so I was in my local Denver bike shop and a young summer employee said

shop and a young summer employee said

shop and a young summer employee said can I help

can I help

can I help and I said yeah can the frame of an

and I said yeah can the frame of an

and I said yeah can the frame of an older Gary Fisher mountain bike start to

older Gary Fisher mountain bike start to

older Gary Fisher mountain bike start to flex and Bend enough that it cause of

flex and Bend enough that it cause of

flex and Bend enough that it cause of the rear brake to rub

the rear brake to rub

the rear brake to rub he said well disc brakes need regular

he said well disc brakes need regular

he said well disc brakes need regular adjustments I said I know that and in

adjustments I said I know that and in

adjustments I said I know that and in fact I do my reg brake adjustments he

fact I do my reg brake adjustments he

fact I do my reg brake adjustments he said oh well then your rotors brimmed

said oh well then your rotors brimmed

said oh well then your rotors brimmed it’s bent

it’s bent

it’s bent I said yeah my rotors not bent I know a

I said yeah my rotors not bent I know a

I said yeah my rotors not bent I know a bent rotor with condescension he said

bent rotor with condescension he said

bent rotor with condescension he said well what do you want me to do I said

well what do you want me to do I said

well what do you want me to do I said you could answer my question

you could answer my question

you could answer my question at which point Kyle the manager of the

at which point Kyle the manager of the

at which point Kyle the manager of the shop stepped in he’s such a sweetheart

shop stepped in he’s such a sweetheart

shop stepped in he’s such a sweetheart he said I think you’re probably right

he said I think you’re probably right

he said I think you’re probably right let me ask you a question do you only

let me ask you a question do you only

let me ask you a question do you only get a chirp coming from that rear brake

get a chirp coming from that rear brake

get a chirp coming from that rear brake when you’re pulling hard uphill I said

when you’re pulling hard uphill I said

when you’re pulling hard uphill I said yes exactly he said yeah that’s frame

yes exactly he said yeah that’s frame

yes exactly he said yeah that’s frame fatigue I wanted to fall at the feet of

fatigue I wanted to fall at the feet of

fatigue I wanted to fall at the feet of Kyle and call him blessed someone was

Kyle and call him blessed someone was

Kyle and call him blessed someone was taking me seriously this happens all the

taking me seriously this happens all the

taking me seriously this happens all the time now I have to go 3 or 4 rounds with

time now I have to go 3 or 4 rounds with

time now I have to go 3 or 4 rounds with someone before I get a direct answer and

someone before I get a direct answer and

someone before I get a direct answer and there’s a deeper issue the more you’re

there’s a deeper issue the more you’re

there’s a deeper issue the more you’re treated as if you don’t know what you’re

treated as if you don’t know what you’re

treated as if you don’t know what you’re talking about the more you begin to

talking about the more you begin to

talking about the more you begin to question whether or not you do in fact

question whether or not you do in fact

question whether or not you do in fact know what you’re talking about

know what you’re talking about

know what you’re talking about right

right

right I understand a woman’s tendency to doubt

I understand a woman’s tendency to doubt

I understand a woman’s tendency to doubt herself had you ever notice if a woman

herself had you ever notice if a woman

herself had you ever notice if a woman is in a meeting with a group of men and

is in a meeting with a group of men and

is in a meeting with a group of men and she knows she’s right she apologizes for

she knows she’s right she apologizes for

she knows she’s right she apologizes for it she says I’m sorry but I don’t think

it she says I’m sorry but I don’t think

it she says I’m sorry but I don’t think those numbers add up you know you don’t

those numbers add up you know you don’t

those numbers add up you know you don’t have to apologize for being right since

have to apologize for being right since

have to apologize for being right since I’m new to this gender I asked my good

I’m new to this gender I asked my good

I’m new to this gender I asked my good friend Jen I said what are women looking

friend Jen I said what are women looking

friend Jen I said what are women looking for and men she said women are looking

for and men she said women are looking

for and men she said women are looking for men who will honor our uniqueness

for men who will honor our uniqueness

for men who will honor our uniqueness who realize our gifting is not lesser

who realize our gifting is not lesser

who realize our gifting is not lesser it’s not weaker it’s just different it

it’s not weaker it’s just different it

it’s not weaker it’s just different it is in fact more comprehensive and it’s

is in fact more comprehensive and it’s

is in fact more comprehensive and it’s essential no of course there are men who

essential no of course there are men who

essential no of course there are men who do honor women lots of them like my good

do honor women lots of them like my good

do honor women lots of them like my good friend and fellow pastor Mark who always

friend and fellow pastor Mark who always

friend and fellow pastor Mark who always draws out the best in me and then seems

draws out the best in me and then seems

draws out the best in me and then seems to take pleasure in watching me lead we

to take pleasure in watching me lead we

to take pleasure in watching me lead we need more men like Mark who are willing

need more men like Mark who are willing

need more men like Mark who are willing to honor and empower women I know I’m

to honor and empower women I know I’m

to honor and empower women I know I’m gonna keep bumping into additional

gonna keep bumping into additional

gonna keep bumping into additional differences on this journey but let me

differences on this journey but let me

differences on this journey but let me let me leave you with this to the women

let me leave you with this to the women

let me leave you with this to the women I offer my heartfelt thanks I often feel

I offer my heartfelt thanks I often feel

I offer my heartfelt thanks I often feel like an interloper a late arrival to the

like an interloper a late arrival to the

like an interloper a late arrival to the serious work of womanhood but you show

serious work of womanhood but you show

serious work of womanhood but you show me Grace and great mercy I want you to

me Grace and great mercy I want you to

me Grace and great mercy I want you to know you are far more capable than you

know you are far more capable than you

know you are far more capable than you realize you are more powerful than you

realize you are more powerful than you

realize you are more powerful than you know and you reflect the best parts of

know and you reflect the best parts of

know and you reflect the best parts of what it means to be fully human and –

what it means to be fully human and –

what it means to be fully human and – you guys are probably feeling more than

you guys are probably feeling more than

you guys are probably feeling more than a little bit uncomfortable right now

a little bit uncomfortable right now

a little bit uncomfortable right now I do understand I never thought I had

I do understand I never thought I had

I do understand I never thought I had privilege but I did and so do you what

privilege but I did and so do you what

privilege but I did and so do you what can you do you can believe us when we

can you do you can believe us when we

can you do you can believe us when we tell you that we might we might have

tell you that we might we might have

tell you that we might we might have equality but we do not have equity it is

equality but we do not have equity it is

equality but we do not have equity it is not a level playing field it never has

not a level playing field it never has

not a level playing field it never has been

been

been you can be a part of the solution by

you can be a part of the solution by

you can be a part of the solution by elevating us to equal footing you

elevating us to equal footing you

elevating us to equal footing you uniquely have that power and to all of

uniquely have that power and to all of

uniquely have that power and to all of us do you know who I think about a lot I

us do you know who I think about a lot I

us do you know who I think about a lot I think about my brown skinned daughter

think about my brown skinned daughter

think about my brown skinned daughter and my brown skinned daughter-in-law

and my brown skinned daughter-in-law

and my brown skinned daughter-in-law what do they know that I’m clueless

what do they know that I’m clueless

what do they know that I’m clueless about what do any of us really know

about what do any of us really know

about what do any of us really know about the shoes in which we have never

about the shoes in which we have never

about the shoes in which we have never walked it’s hard being a woman it’s hard

walked it’s hard being a woman it’s hard

walked it’s hard being a woman it’s hard being a transgender woman as a man I

being a transgender woman as a man I

being a transgender woman as a man I just didn’t know what I didn’t know

just didn’t know what I didn’t know

just didn’t know what I didn’t know would I do it all again because the call

would I do it all again because the call

would I do it all again because the call toward authenticity is sacred it’s holy

toward authenticity is sacred it’s holy

toward authenticity is sacred it’s holy it’s for the greater good for 45 years

it’s for the greater good for 45 years

it’s for the greater good for 45 years my father was a fundamentalist pastor my

my father was a fundamentalist pastor my

my father was a fundamentalist pastor my mother is even more conservative

when I came out as transgender they

when I came out as transgender they rejected me I thought I would never

rejected me I thought I would never

rejected me I thought I would never speak to them again last January I took

speak to them again last January I took

speak to them again last January I took a chance and called my dad on his

a chance and called my dad on his

a chance and called my dad on his birthday and he took my call we talked

birthday and he took my call we talked

birthday and he took my call we talked for about a half hour and about a month

for about a half hour and about a month

for about a half hour and about a month later I asked if I could come for a

later I asked if I could come for a

later I asked if I could come for a visit and they said yes and last spring

visit and they said yes and last spring

visit and they said yes and last spring I had a delightfully redemptive 3 hour

I had a delightfully redemptive 3 hour

I had a delightfully redemptive 3 hour visit with them I’ve met with him twice

visit with them I’ve met with him twice

visit with them I’ve met with him twice since but that date toward the end of

since but that date toward the end of

since but that date toward the end of the conversation that first day my

the conversation that first day my

the conversation that first day my father said a number of precious things

father said a number of precious things

father said a number of precious things as I stood to go he said

he said Paulo I don’t understand this

he said Paulo I don’t understand this but I am willing to try my father is 93

but I am willing to try my father is 93

but I am willing to try my father is 93 years old and he’s willing to try what

years old and he’s willing to try what

years old and he’s willing to try what more could I ask I hugged him so tightly

more could I ask I hugged him so tightly

more could I ask I hugged him so tightly one man willing to give up his power

one man willing to give up his power

one man willing to give up his power because he knew what he knew that he

because he knew what he knew that he

because he knew what he knew that he loved his child and he was willing to do

loved his child and he was willing to do

loved his child and he was willing to do whatever it takes to honor the journey

whatever it takes to honor the journey

whatever it takes to honor the journey of another thank you

of another thank you

of another thank you [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

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