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[Music] the superpower of every age lives in

the superpower of every age lives in

the superpower of every age lives in fear they live in fear because even in

fear they live in fear because even in

fear they live in fear because even in times of tranquility they have to worry

times of tranquility they have to worry

times of tranquility they have to worry about being challenged by a rising power

about being challenged by a rising power

about being challenged by a rising power and the reason they have to worry about

and the reason they have to worry about

and the reason they have to worry about it is that when a superpower Falls it

it is that when a superpower Falls it

it is that when a superpower Falls it falls by violence throughout history

falls by violence throughout history

falls by violence throughout history vicinities tells us that sparta the

vicinities tells us that sparta the

vicinities tells us that sparta the strongest state of the Peloponnese felt

strongest state of the Peloponnese felt

strongest state of the Peloponnese felt so threatened by the growing military

so threatened by the growing military

so threatened by the growing military strength and cultural dynamism of athens

strength and cultural dynamism of athens

strength and cultural dynamism of athens that it chose war Napoleon’s France

that it chose war Napoleon’s France

that it chose war Napoleon’s France conquered all of Europe before it could

conquered all of Europe before it could

conquered all of Europe before it could be beaten back and the balance of power

be beaten back and the balance of power

be beaten back and the balance of power reestablished in europe germany three

reestablished in europe germany three

reestablished in europe germany three times two times within 30 years thrust

times two times within 30 years thrust

times two times within 30 years thrust Europe into Cataclysm because the

Europe into Cataclysm because the

Europe into Cataclysm because the existing order could not accommodate

existing order could not accommodate

existing order could not accommodate Germany’s ambitions this is what

Germany’s ambitions this is what

Germany’s ambitions this is what hegemonic transitions look like scenes

hegemonic transitions look like scenes

hegemonic transitions look like scenes of battlefield carnage at tens of

of battlefield carnage at tens of

of battlefield carnage at tens of thousands hundreds of thousands millions

thousands hundreds of thousands millions

thousands hundreds of thousands millions of people killed in fact throughout all

of people killed in fact throughout all

of people killed in fact throughout all of history there is only a single

of history there is only a single

of history there is only a single instance of a superpower giving way

instance of a superpower giving way

instance of a superpower giving way peacefully to a rising Challenger and

peacefully to a rising Challenger and

peacefully to a rising Challenger and that’s Britain in the United States what

that’s Britain in the United States what

that’s Britain in the United States what was it that made this transition unique

was it that made this transition unique

was it that made this transition unique in all of history and peaceful what was

in all of history and peaceful what was

in all of history and peaceful what was it about one or both of these countries

it about one or both of these countries

it about one or both of these countries that made a transition possible between

that made a transition possible between

that made a transition possible between an existing hegemon and a rising

an existing hegemon and a rising

an existing hegemon and a rising challenger what does that tell us for

challenger what does that tell us for

challenger what does that tell us for future hegemonic transitions historians

future hegemonic transitions historians

future hegemonic transitions historians mark the distinction then the moment of

mark the distinction then the moment of

mark the distinction then the moment of hegemonic transition between Britain and

hegemonic transition between Britain and

hegemonic transition between Britain and the United States in

the United States in

the United States in different places some market when the

different places some market when the

different places some market when the American economy recovers from the Civil

American economy recovers from the Civil

American economy recovers from the Civil War and comes roaring into global

War and comes roaring into global

War and comes roaring into global prominence in the 1870s some market with

prominence in the 1870s some market with

prominence in the 1870s some market with the spanish-american war in 1898 the

the spanish-american war in 1898 the

the spanish-american war in 1898 the debutante ball of American military

debutante ball of American military

debutante ball of American military power some market at World War one when

power some market at World War one when

power some market at World War one when American money and American soldiers

American money and American soldiers

American money and American soldiers were essential to breaking the stalemate

were essential to breaking the stalemate

were essential to breaking the stalemate on the Western Front some market with

on the Western Front some market with

on the Western Front some market with the Versailles negotiations where the

the Versailles negotiations where the

the Versailles negotiations where the United States envisioned a different

United States envisioned a different

United States envisioned a different kind of victors peace some market from

kind of victors peace some market from

kind of victors peace some market from 1945 where that where the victorious

1945 where that where the victorious

1945 where that where the victorious United States imposed that peace on

United States imposed that peace on

United States imposed that peace on allies and adversaries alike I mark it I

allies and adversaries alike I mark it I

allies and adversaries alike I mark it I think the point of inflexion is in 1895

think the point of inflexion is in 1895

think the point of inflexion is in 1895 during a crisis now obscure in history

during a crisis now obscure in history

during a crisis now obscure in history over the boundaries of Venezuela we tend

over the boundaries of Venezuela we tend

over the boundaries of Venezuela we tend to think of Britain than the United

to think of Britain than the United

to think of Britain than the United States as so similar because we speak a

States as so similar because we speak a

States as so similar because we speak a common language we come from the

common language we come from the

common language we come from the European enlightenment we have parallel

European enlightenment we have parallel

European enlightenment we have parallel political traditions of representative

political traditions of representative

political traditions of representative governance and religious tolerance

governance and religious tolerance

governance and religious tolerance similarity is not what Britain then the

similarity is not what Britain then the

similarity is not what Britain then the United States looked like when this

United States looked like when this

United States looked like when this transition begins Britain had an empire

transition begins Britain had an empire

transition begins Britain had an empire on which the Sun never set it produced

on which the Sun never set it produced

on which the Sun never set it produced 25 percent of global GDP it sustained a

25 percent of global GDP it sustained a

25 percent of global GDP it sustained a navy twice as strong as the next

navy twice as strong as the next

navy twice as strong as the next Challenger by policy Britain viewed

Challenger by policy Britain viewed

Challenger by policy Britain viewed Americans as people too extreme in their

Americans as people too extreme in their

Americans as people too extreme in their politics and religion to live in peace

politics and religion to live in peace

politics and religion to live in peace anywhere else our great pride in the

anywhere else our great pride in the

anywhere else our great pride in the creed that all men are created equal

creed that all men are created equal

creed that all men are created equal looked ludicrously hypocritical in when

looked ludicrously hypocritical in when

looked ludicrously hypocritical in when slavery existed in America and even long

slavery existed in America and even long

slavery existed in America and even long after that Charles Dickens describes

after that Charles Dickens describes

after that Charles Dickens describes American culture as more barbarous than

American culture as more barbarous than

American culture as more barbarous than the Indian civilizations it conquers and

the Indian civilizations it conquers and

the Indian civilizations it conquers and when the founding fathers generation

when the founding fathers generation

when the founding fathers generation transitions to the rough

transitions to the rough

transitions to the rough oonh men of the frontier Andrew Jackson

oonh men of the frontier Andrew Jackson

oonh men of the frontier Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln the United States

and Abraham Lincoln the United States

and Abraham Lincoln the United States looks even more alarming to Britain that

looks even more alarming to Britain that

looks even more alarming to Britain that had had previously and and the 1880s and

had had previously and and the 1880s and

had had previously and and the 1880s and 1890s were a tumultuous time in American

1890s were a tumultuous time in American

1890s were a tumultuous time in American politics the the American economy had

politics the the American economy had

politics the the American economy had with a closing of the American West

with a closing of the American West

with a closing of the American West Americans began worrying whether the

Americans began worrying whether the

Americans began worrying whether the economy could provide enough jobs for

economy could provide enough jobs for

economy could provide enough jobs for everyone and that translated into

everyone and that translated into

everyone and that translated into tumultuous politics in 1887 President

tumultuous politics in 1887 President

tumultuous politics in 1887 President Grover Cleveland devoted his entire

Grover Cleveland devoted his entire

Grover Cleveland devoted his entire State of the Union address to talking

State of the Union address to talking

State of the Union address to talking about the importance of opening the

about the importance of opening the

about the importance of opening the American economy to the world that our

American economy to the world that our

American economy to the world that our industries were strong enough to bear

industries were strong enough to bear

industries were strong enough to bear the competition that wages could be

the competition that wages could be

the competition that wages could be sustained even if we open to the world

sustained even if we open to the world

sustained even if we open to the world it was an economic tour-de-force

it was an economic tour-de-force

it was an economic tour-de-force and a political disaster his party the

and a political disaster his party the

and a political disaster his party the Democrats lost both houses of Congress

Democrats lost both houses of Congress

Democrats lost both houses of Congress and he was voted out of office as

and he was voted out of office as

and he was voted out of office as president Republicans under Benjamin

president Republicans under Benjamin

president Republicans under Benjamin Harrison proceeded to institute tariffs

Harrison proceeded to institute tariffs

Harrison proceeded to institute tariffs as high as fifty percent across some

as high as fifty percent across some

as high as fifty percent across some industries with a predictable economic

industries with a predictable economic

industries with a predictable economic devastation and two years later the

devastation and two years later the

devastation and two years later the midterm election of 1890 Republicans

midterm election of 1890 Republicans

midterm election of 1890 Republicans lost 50% of their seats in the house

lost 50% of their seats in the house

lost 50% of their seats in the house bender Benjamin Harrison gets voted out

bender Benjamin Harrison gets voted out

bender Benjamin Harrison gets voted out of office and Grover Cleveland comes

of office and Grover Cleveland comes

of office and Grover Cleveland comes back in 1892 the only American president

back in 1892 the only American president

back in 1892 the only American president to serve non-consecutive terms in office

to serve non-consecutive terms in office

to serve non-consecutive terms in office Cleveland was no imperialist he he

Cleveland was no imperialist he he

Cleveland was no imperialist he he opposed the annexation of Hawaii that

opposed the annexation of Hawaii that

opposed the annexation of Hawaii that his predecessor had put into place he

his predecessor had put into place he

his predecessor had put into place he believed that the Monroe Doctrine which

believed that the Monroe Doctrine which

believed that the Monroe Doctrine which said that the United States would oppose

said that the United States would oppose

said that the United States would oppose efforts by any power to create colonies

efforts by any power to create colonies

efforts by any power to create colonies in the Western Hemisphere it had been

in the Western Hemisphere it had been

in the Western Hemisphere it had been settled American policy for 70 years and

settled American policy for 70 years and

settled American policy for 70 years and Grover Cleveland called it a troublesome

Grover Cleveland called it a troublesome

Grover Cleveland called it a troublesome doctrine so it’s deeply ironic that

doctrine so it’s deeply ironic that

doctrine so it’s deeply ironic that Grover Cleveland becomes the first

Grover Cleveland becomes the first

Grover Cleveland becomes the first American president

American president

American president to enforce the Monroe Doctrine and he

to enforce the Monroe Doctrine and he

to enforce the Monroe Doctrine and he does it against Great Britain Britain

does it against Great Britain Britain

does it against Great Britain Britain and Venezuela had been disputing where

and Venezuela had been disputing where

and Venezuela had been disputing where the boundary line fell between Britain’s

the boundary line fell between Britain’s

the boundary line fell between Britain’s territory of Guiana and Venezuela

territory of Guiana and Venezuela

territory of Guiana and Venezuela they’d been disputing that for over 50

they’d been disputing that for over 50

they’d been disputing that for over 50 years

years

years but in 1893 the government of Venezuela

but in 1893 the government of Venezuela

but in 1893 the government of Venezuela appealed to the United States for

appealed to the United States for

appealed to the United States for protection from Britain invoking the

protection from Britain invoking the

protection from Britain invoking the Monroe Doctrine Cleveland initially took

Monroe Doctrine Cleveland initially took

Monroe Doctrine Cleveland initially took a mild position recommending arbitration

a mild position recommending arbitration

a mild position recommending arbitration Britain responded by landing Marines in

Britain responded by landing Marines in

Britain responded by landing Marines in the Venezuelan port of corinto and

the Venezuelan port of corinto and

the Venezuelan port of corinto and seizing the country they repudiated the

seizing the country they repudiated the

seizing the country they repudiated the monroe doctrine saying that it had no

monroe doctrine saying that it had no

monroe doctrine saying that it had no legal standing and that moreover Britain

legal standing and that moreover Britain

legal standing and that moreover Britain too was sovereign as an American power

too was sovereign as an American power

too was sovereign as an American power and controlled more territory than the

and controlled more territory than the

and controlled more territory than the United States did in North America as

United States did in North America as

United States did in North America as you can see from this cartoon that’s

you can see from this cartoon that’s

you can see from this cartoon that’s Grover Cleveland twisting the tale of

Grover Cleveland twisting the tale of

Grover Cleveland twisting the tale of the great British lion and all of the

the great British lion and all of the

the great British lion and all of the Monarchs of Europe laughing at Britain

Monarchs of Europe laughing at Britain

Monarchs of Europe laughing at Britain so Grover Cleveland confronted with

so Grover Cleveland confronted with

so Grover Cleveland confronted with British seizure of Venezuela goes to the

British seizure of Venezuela goes to the

British seizure of Venezuela goes to the American Congress and asked for their

American Congress and asked for their

American Congress and asked for their support to go to war with Great Britain

support to go to war with Great Britain

support to go to war with Great Britain if Great Britain will not agree to

if Great Britain will not agree to

if Great Britain will not agree to arbitration over Venezuela he gives a

arbitration over Venezuela he gives a

arbitration over Venezuela he gives a speech in which he says the United

speech in which he says the United

speech in which he says the United States because we alone are a democracy

States because we alone are a democracy

States because we alone are a democracy in the world we are a law unto ourselves

in the world we are a law unto ourselves

in the world we are a law unto ourselves and must protect ourselves from

and must protect ourselves from

and must protect ourselves from depredation like this the resolution

depredation like this the resolution

depredation like this the resolution passes both houses of Congress without a

passes both houses of Congress without a

passes both houses of Congress without a single opposing vote Teddy Roosevelt

single opposing vote Teddy Roosevelt

single opposing vote Teddy Roosevelt starts talking about the importance of

starts talking about the importance of

starts talking about the importance of jingo speeches and war with Britain

jingo speeches and war with Britain

jingo speeches and war with Britain American generals determined that they

American generals determined that they

American generals determined that they can invade Canada with ten days

can invade Canada with ten days

can invade Canada with ten days preparation and the British military

preparation and the British military

preparation and the British military agrees that Canada it’s hopeless to

agrees that Canada it’s hopeless to

agrees that Canada it’s hopeless to defend

defend

defend Canada against the United States so why

Canada against the United States so why

Canada against the United States so why doesn’t war happen this is your classic

doesn’t war happen this is your classic

doesn’t war happen this is your classic set up for a hegemonic war it doesn’t

set up for a hegemonic war it doesn’t

set up for a hegemonic war it doesn’t happen because the people of the United

happen because the people of the United

happen because the people of the United States and Great Britain intervene

States and Great Britain intervene

States and Great Britain intervene American newspapers start appeal to the

American newspapers start appeal to the

American newspapers start appeal to the British to write letters in support of

British to write letters in support of

British to write letters in support of peace and thousands and thousands of

peace and thousands and thousands of

peace and thousands and thousands of people do including the Prince of Wales

people do including the Prince of Wales

people do including the Prince of Wales the husband of Queen Victoria 354

the husband of Queen Victoria 354

the husband of Queen Victoria 354 members of the British Parliament appeal

members of the British Parliament appeal

members of the British Parliament appeal to their american legislative

to their american legislative

to their american legislative counterparts for the to have any are to

counterparts for the to have any are to

counterparts for the to have any are to have any dispute between the two

have any dispute between the two

have any dispute between the two countries solved peacefully so what

countries solved peacefully so what

countries solved peacefully so what begins as a potential conflict as a

begins as a potential conflict as a

begins as a potential conflict as a potential war between Britain and the

potential war between Britain and the

potential war between Britain and the United States ends up with them as

United States ends up with them as

United States ends up with them as allies these are members of the British

allies these are members of the British

allies these are members of the British government feeding the vulture of

government feeding the vulture of

government feeding the vulture of American expansionism and what makes

American expansionism and what makes

American expansionism and what makes this peaceful is because the people of

this peaceful is because the people of

this peaceful is because the people of both countries come to see themselves as

both countries come to see themselves as

both countries come to see themselves as so similar that war between them would

so similar that war between them would

so similar that war between them would be fret aside what does this mean for a

be fret aside what does this mean for a

be fret aside what does this mean for a rising China what does this mean for a

rising China what does this mean for a

rising China what does this mean for a rising China China’s rise has been

rising China China’s rise has been

rising China China’s rise has been genuinely astronomical hundreds of

genuinely astronomical hundreds of

genuinely astronomical hundreds of millions of people lifted out of poverty

millions of people lifted out of poverty

millions of people lifted out of poverty since 1978 when the government turned

since 1978 when the government turned

since 1978 when the government turned towards capitalism and China’s rise

towards capitalism and China’s rise

towards capitalism and China’s rise though is an authoritarian capitalism

though is an authoritarian capitalism

though is an authoritarian capitalism the government is betting that the

the government is betting that the

the government is betting that the people of China as long as they continue

people of China as long as they continue

people of China as long as they continue to grow wealthy won’t care about

to grow wealthy won’t care about

to grow wealthy won’t care about political liberty presidencies Chinese

political liberty presidencies Chinese

political liberty presidencies Chinese dream is the tight political control of

dream is the tight political control of

dream is the tight political control of the Communist Party increasing

the Communist Party increasing

the Communist Party increasing prosperity and the respect of the world

prosperity and the respect of the world

prosperity and the respect of the world and whether China can achieve this is an

and whether China can achieve this is an

and whether China can achieve this is an open question there are a lot of chow

open question there are a lot of chow

open question there are a lot of chow that stand in the way of China becoming

that stand in the way of China becoming

that stand in the way of China becoming a superpower whether for example they

a superpower whether for example they

a superpower whether for example they can navigate the middle income trap that

can navigate the middle income trap that

can navigate the middle income trap that many developing economies get mired down

many developing economies get mired down

many developing economies get mired down in as they try and transition from

in as they try and transition from

in as they try and transition from manufacturing to higher value exports

manufacturing to higher value exports

manufacturing to higher value exports whether the kinds of people who produce

whether the kinds of people who produce

whether the kinds of people who produce those exports will continue to permit

those exports will continue to permit

those exports will continue to permit themselves not to be protected with

themselves not to be protected with

themselves not to be protected with individual rights and liberties from

individual rights and liberties from

individual rights and liberties from their government whether China can grow

their government whether China can grow

their government whether China can grow wealthy before they grow old with the

wealthy before they grow old with the

wealthy before they grow old with the demographic consequences of the

demographic consequences of the

demographic consequences of the one-child policy whether their

one-child policy whether their

one-child policy whether their aggressiveness towards their neighbors

aggressiveness towards their neighbors

aggressiveness towards their neighbors will keep those neighbors continued tied

will keep those neighbors continued tied

will keep those neighbors continued tied in tight alliance with the United States

in tight alliance with the United States

in tight alliance with the United States I myself am skeptical that China can

I myself am skeptical that China can

I myself am skeptical that China can continue to rise and become a superpower

continue to rise and become a superpower

continue to rise and become a superpower of here and a competitor of the United

of here and a competitor of the United

of here and a competitor of the United States but what we learn from the

States but what we learn from the

States but what we learn from the transition from British to American

transition from British to American

transition from British to American hegemony is that what is crucial in

hegemony is that what is crucial in

hegemony is that what is crucial in making for a peaceful transition is a

making for a peaceful transition is a

making for a peaceful transition is a sense of commonality between publics

sense of commonality between publics

sense of commonality between publics it’s more important than government

it’s more important than government

it’s more important than government policy it’s more important than what

policy it’s more important than what

policy it’s more important than what people think their national interests

people think their national interests

people think their national interests are that if they believe that there is a

are that if they believe that there is a

are that if they believe that there is a sense of commonality that creates the

sense of commonality that creates the

sense of commonality that creates the political space for compromises on

political space for compromises on

political space for compromises on national interests and compromises on

national interests and compromises on

national interests and compromises on government policy so really the central

government policy so really the central

government policy so really the central question of war and peace in our current

question of war and peace in our current

question of war and peace in our current age is whether a rising China and a

age is whether a rising China and a

age is whether a rising China and a superpower united states can find a

superpower united states can find a

superpower united states can find a sense of commonality between their two

sense of commonality between their two

sense of commonality between their two peoples because that’s the most

peoples because that’s the most

peoples because that’s the most important thing in making for safe

important thing in making for safe

important thing in making for safe passage between a rising power and an

passage between a rising power and an

passage between a rising power and an established superpower thank you

established superpower thank you

established superpower thank you you

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