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“I Love Men, Anyway” | Nancy Kachel | TEDxGooseLake


so I love men anyway I am going to talk

so I love men anyway I am going to talk today about a male liberation because I

today about a male liberation because I

today about a male liberation because I do care about men and I want them to

do care about men and I want them to

do care about men and I want them to find fulfillment in their lives and not

find fulfillment in their lives and not

find fulfillment in their lives and not be defined by the external world only I

be defined by the external world only I

be defined by the external world only I also want to talk about human liberation

also want to talk about human liberation

also want to talk about human liberation and get past talking about traditional

and get past talking about traditional

and get past talking about traditional identities so if you had a choice would

identities so if you had a choice would

identities so if you had a choice would you choose to be a man or a woman I

you choose to be a man or a woman I

you choose to be a man or a woman I believe that women are not going to make

believe that women are not going to make

believe that women are not going to make much more progress on women finding

much more progress on women finding

much more progress on women finding their fulfillment until men begin to

their fulfillment until men begin to

their fulfillment until men begin to take on the challenge of their role

take on the challenge of their role

take on the challenge of their role identities as well men have to change

identities as well men have to change

identities as well men have to change for their own reasons however we can’t

for their own reasons however we can’t

for their own reasons however we can’t expect them to change so we can go

expect them to change so we can go

expect them to change so we can go farther they need to change for their

farther they need to change for their

farther they need to change for their own reasons their own health and their

own reasons their own health and their

own reasons their own health and their own fulfillment so it’s probably a

own fulfillment so it’s probably a

own fulfillment so it’s probably a little funny that I’m talking about

little funny that I’m talking about

little funny that I’m talking about their liberation but somebody’s got a

their liberation but somebody’s got a

their liberation but somebody’s got a new there’s a major study that was just

new there’s a major study that was just

new there’s a major study that was just released that was completed in the

released that was completed in the

released that was completed in the United Kingdom the United States and

United Kingdom the United States and

United Kingdom the United States and Mexico so it’s quite a sizable study and

Mexico so it’s quite a sizable study and

Mexico so it’s quite a sizable study and what they are they called their study

what they are they called their study

what they are they called their study the man box and what’s in that box is

the man box and what’s in that box is

the man box and what’s in that box is men must be they must act strong high

men must be they must act strong high

men must be they must act strong high weakness and look good and what we’re

weakness and look good and what we’re

weakness and look good and what we’re finding with young men they’re they’re

finding with young men they’re they’re

finding with young men they’re they’re finding that very difficult

finding that very difficult

finding that very difficult to do and so they end up with emotional

to do and so they end up with emotional

to do and so they end up with emotional and physical problems and the study

and physical problems and the study

and physical problems and the study bears that out so if you can reach your

bears that out so if you can reach your

bears that out so if you can reach your full potential and this goes for women

full potential and this goes for women

full potential and this goes for women and then you tend to find that and more

and then you tend to find that and more

and then you tend to find that and more depressed angry empty inside and

depressed angry empty inside and

depressed angry empty inside and embroidering how let me say a little bit

embroidering how let me say a little bit

embroidering how let me say a little bit about myself I grew up on a farm about

about myself I grew up on a farm about

about myself I grew up on a farm about 20 miles from here and I’m the oldest

20 miles from here and I’m the oldest

20 miles from here and I’m the oldest only girl had five brothers and a father

only girl had five brothers and a father

only girl had five brothers and a father and all sorts of hired men that I grew

and all sorts of hired men that I grew

and all sorts of hired men that I grew up with so I learned it was a man’s

up with so I learned it was a man’s

up with so I learned it was a man’s world and I learn to be tough

world and I learn to be tough

world and I learn to be tough competitive assertive and most of all I

competitive assertive and most of all I

competitive assertive and most of all I learned the stuff my feelings didn’t

learned the stuff my feelings didn’t

learned the stuff my feelings didn’t really know about theatres until I went

really know about theatres until I went

really know about theatres until I went away to college I didn’t know what a

away to college I didn’t know what a

away to college I didn’t know what a feeling was and then I went out on a

feeling was and then I went out on a

feeling was and then I went out on a date with my my first husband here um

date with my my first husband here um

date with my my first husband here um and he in the end we went to a movie in

and he in the end we went to a movie in

and he in the end we went to a movie in the middle of the movie he started

the middle of the movie he started

the middle of the movie he started crying and I’m going what the heck is

crying and I’m going what the heck is

crying and I’m going what the heck is wrong with him I didn’t grow up with men

wrong with him I didn’t grow up with men

wrong with him I didn’t grow up with men who cried but I fell in love with him

who cried but I fell in love with him

who cried but I fell in love with him anyway I think I think I found my

anyway I think I think I found my

anyway I think I think I found my missing piece that my dad taught me to

missing piece that my dad taught me to

missing piece that my dad taught me to wrestle because he wanted me to be as

wrestle because he wanted me to be as

wrestle because he wanted me to be as strong as my brothers as tough as my

strong as my brothers as tough as my

strong as my brothers as tough as my brothers he insisted that I go to

brothers he insisted that I go to

brothers he insisted that I go to college so I have learned a trade

college so I have learned a trade

college so I have learned a trade profession so that I could take care of

profession so that I could take care of

profession so that I could take care of myself and I didn’t have to marry

myself and I didn’t have to marry

myself and I didn’t have to marry someone just to find someone

someone just to find someone

someone just to find someone take care of me I loved talking with men

take care of me I loved talking with men

take care of me I loved talking with men in conversations with politics economics

in conversations with politics economics

in conversations with politics economics world issues it was terrific I avoided

world issues it was terrific I avoided

world issues it was terrific I avoided talks with women who talked about babies

talks with women who talked about babies

talks with women who talked about babies who talked about family talk about

who talked about family talk about

who talked about family talk about neighborhood and so I was a much more

neighborhood and so I was a much more

neighborhood and so I was a much more like a man and my way of approaching

like a man and my way of approaching

like a man and my way of approaching things outside was men’s work and we

things outside was men’s work and we

things outside was men’s work and we could we could as women participate in

could we could as women participate in

could we could as women participate in that too when I was growing up on a farm

that too when I was growing up on a farm

that too when I was growing up on a farm a long time ago men and women work the

a long time ago men and women work the

a long time ago men and women work the farm together it was a real partnership

farm together it was a real partnership

farm together it was a real partnership so it was okay for us as females to work

so it was okay for us as females to work

so it was okay for us as females to work outside inside however was for women

outside inside however was for women

outside inside however was for women only and men would be called sissies if

only and men would be called sissies if

only and men would be called sissies if they worked inside when my dad would he

they worked inside when my dad would he

they worked inside when my dad would he would help out a little bit in the

would help out a little bit in the

would help out a little bit in the kitchen when we were having company the

kitchen when we were having company the

kitchen when we were having company the minute he saw a guest arriving he

minute he saw a guest arriving he

minute he saw a guest arriving he abandoned that apron and ran for his

abandoned that apron and ran for his

abandoned that apron and ran for his easy-chair that was what worked what

easy-chair that was what worked what

easy-chair that was what worked what life was like on the farm I want to read

life was like on the farm I want to read

life was like on the farm I want to read a list of really daunting identities

a list of really daunting identities

a list of really daunting identities that men are required to fit into they

that men are required to fit into they

that men are required to fit into they must be independent dominant adventurous

must be independent dominant adventurous

must be independent dominant adventurous forceful stoic competitive aggressive

forceful stoic competitive aggressive

forceful stoic competitive aggressive combative career oriented that’s a very

combative career oriented that’s a very

combative career oriented that’s a very challenging list for anyone to have to

challenging list for anyone to have to

challenging list for anyone to have to make

make

make to society dictates most of these

to society dictates most of these

to society dictates most of these identities women stay at home raise

identities women stay at home raise

identities women stay at home raise children to be a homemaker men were

children to be a homemaker men were

children to be a homemaker men were taught for probably centuries to be

taught for probably centuries to be

taught for probably centuries to be warriors and all those things I just

warriors and all those things I just

warriors and all those things I just listed as May of identities are very

listed as May of identities are very

listed as May of identities are very useful as a warrior what’s not useful is

useful as a warrior what’s not useful is

useful as a warrior what’s not useful is having some of the intern capacities

having some of the intern capacities

having some of the intern capacities like compassion like nurturing they

like compassion like nurturing they

like compassion like nurturing they don’t work well on the battlefield so

don’t work well on the battlefield so

don’t work well on the battlefield so men have both buried deep inside quite

men have both buried deep inside quite

men have both buried deep inside quite often totally unidentified and that’s

often totally unidentified and that’s

often totally unidentified and that’s the challenge I think we face with males

the challenge I think we face with males

the challenge I think we face with males the thing is that women and men have

the thing is that women and men have

the thing is that women and men have been complicit in reinforcing those

been complicit in reinforcing those

been complicit in reinforcing those roles for each other over generations

roles for each other over generations

roles for each other over generations nobody’s questioned that it’s the way

nobody’s questioned that it’s the way

nobody’s questioned that it’s the way it’s always been done and so that’s the

it’s always been done and so that’s the

it’s always been done and so that’s the way we do it

way we do it

way we do it you get boy boys get to play with trucks

you get boy boys get to play with trucks

you get boy boys get to play with trucks girls get to play with dolls and what’s

girls get to play with dolls and what’s

girls get to play with dolls and what’s unusual about them we take that off the

unusual about them we take that off the

unusual about them we take that off the ground if a boy plays with a doll

ground if a boy plays with a doll

ground if a boy plays with a doll they’re quite often called a sissy if a

they’re quite often called a sissy if a

they’re quite often called a sissy if a man is emotional or carry the weak he’s

man is emotional or carry the weak he’s

man is emotional or carry the weak he’s tall the sissy that thing that happens

tall the sissy that thing that happens

tall the sissy that thing that happens with that is it stunts an individual’s

with that is it stunts an individual’s

with that is it stunts an individual’s growth when we can’t move past those

growth when we can’t move past those

growth when we can’t move past those culturally defined identities

culturally defined identities

culturally defined identities cities I handed up in the domestic

cities I handed up in the domestic

cities I handed up in the domestic violence program in Tulsa and for women

violence program in Tulsa and for women

violence program in Tulsa and for women we had a safe house for women and

we had a safe house for women and

we had a safe house for women and children and we taught them best how

children and we taught them best how

children and we taught them best how best to prevent violence how to stay out

best to prevent violence how to stay out

best to prevent violence how to stay out of those situations and we also started

of those situations and we also started

of those situations and we also started a men’s program because as I said and

a men’s program because as I said and

a men’s program because as I said and then are so out of touch with their

then are so out of touch with their

then are so out of touch with their feelings and their fears that they don’t

feelings and their fears that they don’t

feelings and their fears that they don’t leave anywhere to express that except it

leave anywhere to express that except it

leave anywhere to express that except it gets funneled into anger as the one

gets funneled into anger as the one

gets funneled into anger as the one acceptable emotion that and then approve

acceptable emotion that and then approve

acceptable emotion that and then approve of they can’t express it without it dies

of they can’t express it without it dies

of they can’t express it without it dies they can’t express disappointment they

they can’t express disappointment they

they can’t express disappointment they can’t do that some of the anger occurs

can’t do that some of the anger occurs

can’t do that some of the anger occurs and they want to dominate the weather

and they want to dominate the weather

and they want to dominate the weather show they’re still dominant in superior

show they’re still dominant in superior

show they’re still dominant in superior and so they abused a person they know

and so they abused a person they know

and so they abused a person they know that they can prove to themselves

that they can prove to themselves

that they can prove to themselves they’re still dominant I used the

they’re still dominant I used the

they’re still dominant I used the talking about abuse because it most

talking about abuse because it most

talking about abuse because it most exemplifies both dominance and the

exemplifies both dominance and the

exemplifies both dominance and the superiority syndrome and it’s easy to

superiority syndrome and it’s easy to

superiority syndrome and it’s easy to see how this works but most men aren’t

see how this works but most men aren’t

see how this works but most men aren’t abusive however it’s very difficult to

abusive however it’s very difficult to

abusive however it’s very difficult to change abuse

change abuse

change abuse because that’s reinforced by US by other

because that’s reinforced by US by other

because that’s reinforced by US by other men in our society and probably by the

men in our society and probably by the

men in our society and probably by the society as a whole but that

society as a whole but that

society as a whole but that reinforcement keeps telling them they

reinforcement keeps telling them they

reinforcement keeps telling them they own that woman they own those children

own that woman they own those children

own that woman they own those children so they can do whatever they want to do

so they can do whatever they want to do

so they can do whatever they want to do with that woman and the children that

with that woman and the children that

with that woman and the children that gets reinforced by the other men that

gets reinforced by the other men that

gets reinforced by the other men that they hang out with so we read out

they hang out with so we read out

they hang out with so we read out primarily with physical violence but

primarily with physical violence but

primarily with physical violence but there’s a whole lot more verbal alive on

there’s a whole lot more verbal alive on

there’s a whole lot more verbal alive on violence when when you don’t want to

violence when when you don’t want to

violence when when you don’t want to give up that dominance and superiority

give up that dominance and superiority

give up that dominance and superiority it is really difficult to make those

it is really difficult to make those

it is really difficult to make those changes so as I said most men aren’t

changes so as I said most men aren’t

changes so as I said most men aren’t violent and abusive but they do buy into

violent and abusive but they do buy into

violent and abusive but they do buy into the superiority syndrome and that keeps

the superiority syndrome and that keeps

the superiority syndrome and that keeps them from visiting their inner core from

them from visiting their inner core from

them from visiting their inner core from becoming familiar with the feelings and

becoming familiar with the feelings and

becoming familiar with the feelings and emotion and things to create the center

emotion and things to create the center

emotion and things to create the center of one’s being so anger as I said is

of one’s being so anger as I said is

of one’s being so anger as I said is acceptable because it says he’s strong

acceptable because it says he’s strong

acceptable because it says he’s strong it’s also cathartic after the anger is

it’s also cathartic after the anger is

it’s also cathartic after the anger is over he feels fine the pain has gone

over he feels fine the pain has gone

over he feels fine the pain has gone away and until the next episode he feels

away and until the next episode he feels

away and until the next episode he feels good

good

good I’d like to propose that we deal with

I’d like to propose that we deal with

I’d like to propose that we deal with pain

pain

pain way I’d like to see us eliminate the

way I’d like to see us eliminate the

way I’d like to see us eliminate the traditional identities as they are

traditional identities as they are

traditional identities as they are associated with men and associated with

associated with men and associated with

associated with men and associated with women and talk instead about a whole

women and talk instead about a whole

women and talk instead about a whole array of human potential that all of

array of human potential that all of

array of human potential that all of those capabilities are accessible to men

those capabilities are accessible to men

those capabilities are accessible to men and women and that will help men and

and women and that will help men and

and women and that will help men and women I find that fulfillment lets women

women I find that fulfillment lets women

women I find that fulfillment lets women in themselves and better identify them

in themselves and better identify them

in themselves and better identify them move toward their full potential so how

move toward their full potential so how

move toward their full potential so how to make that journey well the first

to make that journey well the first

to make that journey well the first thing is don’t do anything except listen

thing is don’t do anything except listen

thing is don’t do anything except listen listen listen listen to your feelings

listen listen listen to your feelings

listen listen listen to your feelings observe your reactions observe your

observe your reactions observe your

observe your reactions observe your actions listen listen the next step is

actions listen listen the next step is

actions listen listen the next step is to own those identities that you’ve been

to own those identities that you’ve been

to own those identities that you’ve been taught and to begin to take charge of

taught and to begin to take charge of

taught and to begin to take charge of your actions your values and your

your actions your values and your

your actions your values and your feelings and out of that you will begin

feelings and out of that you will begin

feelings and out of that you will begin to control yourself not someone else

to control yourself not someone else

to control yourself not someone else yourself so let’s fill the trash can

yourself so let’s fill the trash can

yourself so let’s fill the trash can with those things we don’t need get rid

with those things we don’t need get rid

with those things we don’t need get rid of dominance and superiority they’re not

of dominance and superiority they’re not

of dominance and superiority they’re not a gene they’re not God’s gift they are

a gene they’re not God’s gift they are

a gene they’re not God’s gift they are learned behaviors and we can change

learned behaviors and we can change

learned behaviors and we can change learn behaviors get rid of control over

learn behaviors get rid of control over

learn behaviors get rid of control over another person the only person we can

another person the only person we can

another person the only person we can really control is ourselves the only

really control is ourselves the only

really control is ourselves the only person we can really change is ourself

person we can really change is ourself

person we can really change is ourself and if you can be a good friend and a

and if you can be a good friend and a

and if you can be a good friend and a good partner and you can listen and if

good partner and you can listen and if

good partner and you can listen and if that person who’s trying to make some of

that person who’s trying to make some of

that person who’s trying to make some of those changes is wanting to do that and

those changes is wanting to do that and

those changes is wanting to do that and need your help

need your help

need your help great when once you know great but you

great when once you know great but you

great when once you know great but you can’t change that person get rid of

can’t change that person get rid of

can’t change that person get rid of blame blame is often that thing that we

blame blame is often that thing that we

blame blame is often that thing that we don’t like about ourselves we blame

don’t like about ourselves we blame

don’t like about ourselves we blame someone else for and you know how it

someone else for and you know how it

someone else for and you know how it feels when you get blamed be in touch

feels when you get blamed be in touch

feels when you get blamed be in touch with those feelings and then get rid of

with those feelings and then get rid of

with those feelings and then get rid of who suffers more oh my god I worked so

who suffers more oh my god I worked so

who suffers more oh my god I worked so hard I have to deal with all that crap

hard I have to deal with all that crap

hard I have to deal with all that crap poor me get rid of it it is a it’s a

poor me get rid of it it is a it’s a

poor me get rid of it it is a it’s a justification for hostility we don’t

justification for hostility we don’t

justification for hostility we don’t need those we don’t need any of these

need those we don’t need any of these

need those we don’t need any of these they only inhibit being able to get

they only inhibit being able to get

they only inhibit being able to get inside ourselves know who we really are

inside ourselves know who we really are

inside ourselves know who we really are as opposed to what somebody else tells

as opposed to what somebody else tells

as opposed to what somebody else tells us we are so in summary listen to your

us we are so in summary listen to your

us we are so in summary listen to your feelings they’re your feelings you’re

feelings they’re your feelings you’re

feelings they’re your feelings you’re the only one that can control those

the only one that can control those

the only one that can control those students nobody can control them nobody

students nobody can control them nobody

students nobody can control them nobody makes you feel that way unless you

makes you feel that way unless you

makes you feel that way unless you choose to feel that way

choose to feel that way

choose to feel that way anger is is mostly derived from fear

anger is is mostly derived from fear

anger is is mostly derived from fear when you get angry ask yourself what am

when you get angry ask yourself what am

when you get angry ask yourself what am I

I

I why did I get angry and it can be a

why did I get angry and it can be a

why did I get angry and it can be a little thing but it’s still almost

little thing but it’s still almost

little thing but it’s still almost always based in fear so ask yourself pay

always based in fear so ask yourself pay

always based in fear so ask yourself pay attention to that if you do it

attention to that if you do it

attention to that if you do it frequently enough you begin to get in

frequently enough you begin to get in

frequently enough you begin to get in touch with those feelings that are

touch with those feelings that are

touch with those feelings that are driving that anger as I said earlier all

driving that anger as I said earlier all

driving that anger as I said earlier all the emotions get funneled into anger

the emotions get funneled into anger

the emotions get funneled into anger when you’re not in touch with your core

when you’re not in touch with your core

when you’re not in touch with your core expand your repertoire you have all

expand your repertoire you have all

expand your repertoire you have all these capacities available to you and

these capacities available to you and

these capacities available to you and when you do that you will begin to know

when you do that you will begin to know

when you do that you will begin to know yourself and not what somebody else has

yourself and not what somebody else has

yourself and not what somebody else has told you so

told you so

told you so do you want to be a woman or a man or do

do you want to be a woman or a man or do

do you want to be a woman or a man or do you want to be the best you you can be

you want to be the best you you can be

you want to be the best you you can be so take the challenge be adventurous I

so take the challenge be adventurous I

so take the challenge be adventurous I want to say I’m reminded when I use that

want to say I’m reminded when I use that

want to say I’m reminded when I use that word of a mountain man who’s who was

word of a mountain man who’s who was

word of a mountain man who’s who was once asked are you forget do you ever

once asked are you forget do you ever

once asked are you forget do you ever get lost and he said no I never get lost

get lost and he said no I never get lost

get lost and he said no I never get lost it may take me a month or two to figure

it may take me a month or two to figure

it may take me a month or two to figure out how to get to where I’m going but I

out how to get to where I’m going but I

out how to get to where I’m going but I don’t get lost and I want to sit and use

don’t get lost and I want to sit and use

don’t get lost and I want to sit and use that as an example for all of us to take

that as an example for all of us to take

that as an example for all of us to take that adventure and figure out find the

that adventure and figure out find the

that adventure and figure out find the way to get where you want to go pursue

way to get where you want to go pursue

way to get where you want to go pursue your your potential and enjoy the

your your potential and enjoy the

your your potential and enjoy the journey and I love men that way thank

journey and I love men that way thank

journey and I love men that way thank you

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