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How to Practice Politics with Music in Mind | Phillip Bimstein | TEDxSaltLakeCity


music and politics two completely

music and politics two completely different things

different things

different things music that’s something we all enjoy we

music that’s something we all enjoy we

music that’s something we all enjoy we love to hear it sometimes we sing along

love to hear it sometimes we sing along

love to hear it sometimes we sing along to it it makes us feel like dancing and

to it it makes us feel like dancing and

to it it makes us feel like dancing and many of us love to make music politics

many of us love to make music politics

many of us love to make music politics well that’s a different story

well that’s a different story

well that’s a different story nobody wants to hear it who sings it in

nobody wants to hear it who sings it in

nobody wants to hear it who sings it in the shower you certainly can’t dance to

the shower you certainly can’t dance to

the shower you certainly can’t dance to it and most of us want nothing to do

it and most of us want nothing to do

it and most of us want nothing to do with it

with it

with it so two completely different things music

so two completely different things music

so two completely different things music whether it’s rock or hip-hop or

whether it’s rock or hip-hop or

whether it’s rock or hip-hop or classical or jazz

classical or jazz

classical or jazz it’s got melody it’s got harmony it’s

it’s got melody it’s got harmony it’s

it’s got melody it’s got harmony it’s got rhythm and just sounds and feels so

got rhythm and just sounds and feels so

got rhythm and just sounds and feels so good to us

good to us

good to us well politics the debate discussion and

well politics the debate discussion and

well politics the debate discussion and process that which we make policy

process that which we make policy

process that which we make policy decisions and govern ourselves as the

decisions and govern ourselves as the

decisions and govern ourselves as the people well we don’t want that in our

people well we don’t want that in our

people well we don’t want that in our earbuds aside from the fact that both

earbuds aside from the fact that both

earbuds aside from the fact that both music and politics permeate and affect

music and politics permeate and affect

music and politics permeate and affect our lives every single day they seem to

our lives every single day they seem to

our lives every single day they seem to have little in common however I believe

have little in common however I believe

have little in common however I believe that actually are intriguing

that actually are intriguing

that actually are intriguing similarities between music and politics

similarities between music and politics

similarities between music and politics and by tuning in to those similarities

and by tuning in to those similarities

and by tuning in to those similarities we could compose a better politics and

we could compose a better politics and

we could compose a better politics and brighten our world with the music of

brighten our world with the music of

brighten our world with the music of dialogue now I came up with this idea

dialogue now I came up with this idea

dialogue now I came up with this idea because I’m a composer in a former

because I’m a composer in a former

because I’m a composer in a former Chicago punk rocker who was elected

Chicago punk rocker who was elected

Chicago punk rocker who was elected mayor of a Utah town that was bitterly

mayor of a Utah town that was bitterly

mayor of a Utah town that was bitterly divided and polarized by its politics

divided and polarized by its politics

divided and polarized by its politics Springdale Utah the Gateway to Zion

Springdale Utah the Gateway to Zion

Springdale Utah the Gateway to Zion National Park a beautiful town picture

National Park a beautiful town picture

National Park a beautiful town picture it the virgin river flowing through a

it the virgin river flowing through a

it the virgin river flowing through a magnificent Red Rock Canyon 3,000 feet

magnificent Red Rock Canyon 3,000 feet

magnificent Red Rock Canyon 3,000 feet high decline of a red-tailed hawk

high decline of a red-tailed hawk

high decline of a red-tailed hawk the sweet song of the canyon Wren quiet

the sweet song of the canyon Wren quiet

the sweet song of the canyon Wren quiet peaceful paradise

peaceful paradise

peaceful paradise but when I moved there the County

but when I moved there the County

but when I moved there the County Sheriff came to town meetings to keep

Sheriff came to town meetings to keep

Sheriff came to town meetings to keep fistfights from breaking out the mayor

fistfights from breaking out the mayor

fistfights from breaking out the mayor and the council sued each other nearly

and the council sued each other nearly

and the council sued each other nearly bankrupting the town somebody got so mad

bankrupting the town somebody got so mad

bankrupting the town somebody got so mad at the mayor they threw a dead chicken

at the mayor they threw a dead chicken

at the mayor they threw a dead chicken onto his lawn so I did what any punk

onto his lawn so I did what any punk

onto his lawn so I did what any punk rocker would do

rocker would do

rocker would do I drove headfirst into that mosh pit and

I drove headfirst into that mosh pit and

I drove headfirst into that mosh pit and ran for mayor but the surprising thing

ran for mayor but the surprising thing

ran for mayor but the surprising thing was that over the next eight years the

was that over the next eight years the

was that over the next eight years the things I loved about music helped me

things I loved about music helped me

things I loved about music helped me tune in to the controversies I faced as

tune in to the controversies I faced as

tune in to the controversies I faced as mayor it started when I went house to

mayor it started when I went house to

mayor it started when I went house to house knocking on doors for my first

house knocking on doors for my first

house knocking on doors for my first election folks invited me into their

election folks invited me into their

election folks invited me into their living room soon we sat down together

living room soon we sat down together

living room soon we sat down together but I didn’t really talk so much as

but I didn’t really talk so much as

but I didn’t really talk so much as listen I asked what are your concerns

listen I asked what are your concerns

listen I asked what are your concerns how do you feel about the town what do

how do you feel about the town what do

how do you feel about the town what do you think the town needs right now and I

you think the town needs right now and I

you think the town needs right now and I listened because I felt if I was elected

listened because I felt if I was elected

listened because I felt if I was elected I would know my town much better and

I would know my town much better and

I would know my town much better and could serve it better well this is the

could serve it better well this is the

could serve it better well this is the same approach the same way of engaging

same approach the same way of engaging

same approach the same way of engaging that I take with every band I’m in

that I take with every band I’m in

that I take with every band I’m in whether it’s rock folk classical

whether it’s rock folk classical

whether it’s rock folk classical especially if I’m the bandleader

especially if I’m the bandleader

especially if I’m the bandleader because music is all about collaboration

because music is all about collaboration

because music is all about collaboration and collaboration is all about listening

and collaboration is all about listening

and collaboration is all about listening do you know the one thing that never

do you know the one thing that never

do you know the one thing that never happens at a public hearing you never

happens at a public hearing you never

happens at a public hearing you never have a public that’s hearing I got that

have a public that’s hearing I got that

have a public that’s hearing I got that from a book by Daniel chemists who

from a book by Daniel chemists who

from a book by Daniel chemists who inspired my political thinking we come

inspired my political thinking we come

inspired my political thinking we come to advocate our point of view we don’t

to advocate our point of view we don’t

to advocate our point of view we don’t put the same effort into hearing the

put the same effort into hearing the

put the same effort into hearing the other points of view so we don’t take

other points of view so we don’t take

other points of view so we don’t take responsibility for coming to an

responsibility for coming to an

responsibility for coming to an agreement to solve our problems we need

agreement to solve our problems we need

agreement to solve our problems we need to turn toward each other and listen

to turn toward each other and listen

to turn toward each other and listen like musicians do like we all do and we

like musicians do like we all do and we

like musicians do like we all do and we listen to music we hear the different

listen to music we hear the different

listen to music we hear the different voices

voices

voices the baseline the drums the guitar the

the baseline the drums the guitar the

the baseline the drums the guitar the harmony the counterpoint whether it’s

harmony the counterpoint whether it’s

harmony the counterpoint whether it’s music or politics when we actively

music or politics when we actively

music or politics when we actively listen we stay together and we have

listen we stay together and we have

listen we stay together and we have better ideas like jazz musicians they’re

better ideas like jazz musicians they’re

better ideas like jazz musicians they’re a great example of this why they’re up

a great example of this why they’re up

a great example of this why they’re up there having a musical conversation in

there having a musical conversation in

there having a musical conversation in real time and they improvise their ideas

real time and they improvise their ideas

real time and they improvise their ideas on the spot but they don’t do that in a

on the spot but they don’t do that in a

on the spot but they don’t do that in a vacuum they know that to play a great

vacuum they know that to play a great

vacuum they know that to play a great solo you’ve got to listen to the whole

solo you’ve got to listen to the whole

solo you’ve got to listen to the whole band if you ever expect to say something

band if you ever expect to say something

band if you ever expect to say something that’s from a book by Ingrid Monson a

that’s from a book by Ingrid Monson a

that’s from a book by Ingrid Monson a jazz scholar and we could take that

jazz scholar and we could take that

jazz scholar and we could take that advice when we go to a public hearing or

advice when we go to a public hearing or

advice when we go to a public hearing or any kind of meeting we could say to

any kind of meeting we could say to

any kind of meeting we could say to ourselves

ourselves

ourselves I’m gonna listen to the whole band

I’m gonna listen to the whole band

I’m gonna listen to the whole band before I say something because when we

before I say something because when we

before I say something because when we speak from a foundation based upon true

speak from a foundation based upon true

speak from a foundation based upon true listening when we really get what’s

listening when we really get what’s

listening when we really get what’s going on in that music or that

going on in that music or that

going on in that music or that discussion then when it’s our turn to

discussion then when it’s our turn to

discussion then when it’s our turn to take a solo we can really fly like Miles

take a solo we can really fly like Miles

take a solo we can really fly like Miles Davis or John Coltrane and we will add

Davis or John Coltrane and we will add

Davis or John Coltrane and we will add something new and valuable to the

something new and valuable to the

something new and valuable to the conversation

conversation

conversation I finally remember the night before my

I finally remember the night before my

I finally remember the night before my election after walking all day going

election after walking all day going

election after walking all day going house-to-house from one end of the town

house-to-house from one end of the town

house-to-house from one end of the town to the other I was tired and I was

to the other I was tired and I was

to the other I was tired and I was hungry so I was grateful when on my very

hungry so I was grateful when on my very

hungry so I was grateful when on my very last visit a sweet elderly couple Larkin

last visit a sweet elderly couple Larkin

last visit a sweet elderly couple Larkin and Ruth gifford invited me into their

and Ruth gifford invited me into their

and Ruth gifford invited me into their home for a sandwich and a glass of milk

home for a sandwich and a glass of milk

home for a sandwich and a glass of milk the Larkin pulled out his harmonica and

the Larkin pulled out his harmonica and

the Larkin pulled out his harmonica and handed me a guitar I listened to his

handed me a guitar I listened to his

handed me a guitar I listened to his tunes figured out how to accompany him

tunes figured out how to accompany him

tunes figured out how to accompany him and we played some old-time songs

and we played some old-time songs

and we played some old-time songs together now I was still a newcomer so

together now I was still a newcomer so

together now I was still a newcomer so making music with a longtime resident of

making music with a longtime resident of

making music with a longtime resident of the town I felt so welcome so at home

the town I felt so welcome so at home

the town I felt so welcome so at home the next day I was elected and over the

the next day I was elected and over the

the next day I was elected and over the following months and years the whole

following months and years the whole

following months and years the whole town became my band we jammed together

town became my band we jammed together

town became my band we jammed together and I listened to every one of them but

and I listened to every one of them but

and I listened to every one of them but more important I asked them to listen to

more important I asked them to listen to

more important I asked them to listen to each other and they did and we

each other and they did and we

each other and they did and we collaborated like a good jazz er of

collaborated like a good jazz er of

collaborated like a good jazz er of bluegrass band and through our act of

bluegrass band and through our act of

bluegrass band and through our act of listening we solved our problems and

listening we solved our problems and

listening we solved our problems and healed the town but of course politics

healed the town but of course politics

healed the town but of course politics continued it always does

continued it always does

continued it always does we still had issues to discuss and

we still had issues to discuss and

we still had issues to discuss and resolve but you know what happened as I

resolve but you know what happened as I

resolve but you know what happened as I conducted those meetings I began to hear

conducted those meetings I began to hear

conducted those meetings I began to hear certain themes and patterns that

certain themes and patterns that

certain themes and patterns that resembled musical form one meeting could

resembled musical form one meeting could

resembled musical form one meeting could be like a blues song another like a

be like a blues song another like a

be like a blues song another like a classical Sonata

classical Sonata

classical Sonata for example I remember one town meeting

for example I remember one town meeting

for example I remember one town meeting when a developer proposed that we change

when a developer proposed that we change

when a developer proposed that we change our zoning to let him build a large

our zoning to let him build a large

our zoning to let him build a large commercial building in a quiet

commercial building in a quiet

commercial building in a quiet residential area that sounded to me like

residential area that sounded to me like

residential area that sounded to me like [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

[Music]

[Music] then another citizen rose to respond and

then another citizen rose to respond and

then another citizen rose to respond and he said please don’t change that zoning

he said please don’t change that zoning

he said please don’t change that zoning keep our green space as it is that

keep our green space as it is that

keep our green space as it is that sounded like now I just played the two

sounded like now I just played the two

sounded like now I just played the two contrasting themes from Beethoven’s

contrasting themes from Beethoven’s

contrasting themes from Beethoven’s fifth where they get argued back and

fifth where they get argued back and

fifth where they get argued back and forth just like the two contrasting

forth just like the two contrasting

forth just like the two contrasting themes in our Tom meeting that’s the

themes in our Tom meeting that’s the

themes in our Tom meeting that’s the Sonata form often used by classical

Sonata form often used by classical

Sonata form often used by classical composers as a way of organizing and

composers as a way of organizing and

composers as a way of organizing and presenting their ideas first there’s a

presenting their ideas first there’s a

presenting their ideas first there’s a main theme then there’s a contrasting

main theme then there’s a contrasting

main theme then there’s a contrasting second theme then there’s this long

second theme then there’s this long

second theme then there’s this long section where those themes get explored

section where those themes get explored

section where those themes get explored in greater detail heard from different

in greater detail heard from different

in greater detail heard from different angles reconsidered rephrased sometimes

angles reconsidered rephrased sometimes

angles reconsidered rephrased sometimes transformed that’s exactly what happens

transformed that’s exactly what happens

transformed that’s exactly what happens in town meetings that’s the music of

in town meetings that’s the music of

in town meetings that’s the music of dialogue of political debate now staying

dialogue of political debate now staying

dialogue of political debate now staying with that zoning issue let’s tune into

with that zoning issue let’s tune into

with that zoning issue let’s tune into the sound of common ground there are

the sound of common ground there are

the sound of common ground there are folks in town who agreed with the

folks in town who agreed with the

folks in town who agreed with the developer and thought we should allow

developer and thought we should allow

developer and thought we should allow his building let’s take three of them

his building let’s take three of them

his building let’s take three of them and represent them with these three

and represent them with these three

and represent them with these three notes now these folks agreed with each

notes now these folks agreed with each

notes now these folks agreed with each other so when you put them together they

other so when you put them together they

other so when you put them together they harmonize like this that’s the sound of

harmonize like this that’s the sound of

harmonize like this that’s the sound of agreement of people with similar views

agreement of people with similar views

agreement of people with similar views but there are other folks who loved our

but there are other folks who loved our

but there are other folks who loved our green space and didn’t want that

green space and didn’t want that

green space and didn’t want that building let’s take three of them and

building let’s take three of them and

building let’s take three of them and give them these three notes they too

give them these three notes they too

give them these three notes they too harmonized like this that’s also the

harmonized like this that’s also the

harmonized like this that’s also the sound of agreement but what happens when

sound of agreement but what happens when

sound of agreement but what happens when we put those two groups or those two

we put those two groups or those two

we put those two groups or those two chords together

[Music]

[Music] that’s the sound of disagreement

but are there really any wrong notes

but are there really any wrong notes there does one group have to change its

there does one group have to change its

there does one group have to change its views change its tomb to coexist with

views change its tomb to coexist with

views change its tomb to coexist with the other or can we find a way to

the other or can we find a way to

the other or can we find a way to accommodate those differences in music

accommodate those differences in music

accommodate those differences in music that’s the sound of Pali tonality many

that’s the sound of Pali tonality many

that’s the sound of Pali tonality many different keys or chords all at once in

different keys or chords all at once in

different keys or chords all at once in politics that’s the sound of pluralism

politics that’s the sound of pluralism

politics that’s the sound of pluralism of people with different interests

of people with different interests

of people with different interests values and traditions living together in

values and traditions living together in

values and traditions living together in one society and there’s something very

one society and there’s something very

one society and there’s something very interesting in this / allistic card that

interesting in this / allistic card that

interesting in this / allistic card that helps us find agreement within those

helps us find agreement within those

helps us find agreement within those differences it’s this note and what’s

differences it’s this note and what’s

differences it’s this note and what’s interesting about this note is that it

interesting about this note is that it

interesting about this note is that it has a place in both chords the developer

has a place in both chords the developer

has a place in both chords the developer card

card

card the green space card and if we put that

the green space card and if we put that

the green space card and if we put that note on top we can hear even better

note on top we can hear even better

note on top we can hear even better it sings when we listen for it we can

it sings when we listen for it we can

it sings when we listen for it we can hear it

hear it

hear it now when I was mayor I really listened

now when I was mayor I really listened

now when I was mayor I really listened for notes like that notes that can

for notes like that notes that can

for notes like that notes that can smooth the differences between

smooth the differences between

smooth the differences between conflicting opinions and on this zoning

conflicting opinions and on this zoning

conflicting opinions and on this zoning issue

issue

issue I heard that note its name was Stephen

I heard that note its name was Stephen

I heard that note its name was Stephen Ross Stephen was a builder in town so he

Ross Stephen was a builder in town so he

Ross Stephen was a builder in town so he had a place in the development card

had a place in the development card

had a place in the development card [Music]

[Music]

[Music] there’s Stephen he harmonized with their

there’s Stephen he harmonized with their

there’s Stephen he harmonized with their dues but Stephen was also an artist so

dues but Stephen was also an artist so

dues but Stephen was also an artist so he shared some perspectives with the

he shared some perspectives with the

he shared some perspectives with the green space card there he is again

green space card there he is again

green space card there he is again he harmonized with those groups when we

he harmonized with those groups when we

he harmonized with those groups when we listened for it we can easily hear it

[Music]

[Music] and we can hear that note even better if

and we can hear that note even better if

and we can hear that note even better if you put it at the bottom underneath

you put it at the bottom underneath

you put it at the bottom underneath those cords

it provides a foundation

it provides a foundation a home for different people different

a home for different people different

a home for different people different opinions

opinions

opinions that’s the sound

that’s the sound

that’s the sound of common ground thanks thank you

that’s what I tried to do is there find

that’s what I tried to do is there find that sound

that sound

that sound turn it up until everyone could hear it

turn it up until everyone could hear it

turn it up until everyone could hear it then whenever we needed to we could tune

then whenever we needed to we could tune

then whenever we needed to we could tune back into it and no matter how far we

back into it and no matter how far we

back into it and no matter how far we may have strayed we could come back home

may have strayed we could come back home

may have strayed we could come back home to our common ground so those are three

to our common ground so those are three

to our common ground so those are three ways we could think about politics

ways we could think about politics

ways we could think about politics musically listen to the whole band hear

musically listen to the whole band hear

musically listen to the whole band hear the music of dialogue tune into the

the music of dialogue tune into the

the music of dialogue tune into the sound of common ground music is a lens

sound of common ground music is a lens

sound of common ground music is a lens to which I see the world each of you has

to which I see the world each of you has

to which I see the world each of you has your own lens your own unique

your own lens your own unique

your own lens your own unique perspective that the world needs to hear

perspective that the world needs to hear

perspective that the world needs to hear when I came to Utah I heard a wonderful

when I came to Utah I heard a wonderful

when I came to Utah I heard a wonderful story about a wonderful Navajo story

story about a wonderful Navajo story

story about a wonderful Navajo story about the song dog the song dog a coyote

about the song dog the song dog a coyote

about the song dog the song dog a coyote who sang the whole world into existence

who sang the whole world into existence

who sang the whole world into existence just like that just found its voice and

just like that just found its voice and

just like that just found its voice and sang I love that story

sang I love that story

sang I love that story we all have that power and capability be

we all have that power and capability be

we all have that power and capability be that coyote find your voice and sing

that coyote find your voice and sing

that coyote find your voice and sing compose your own song and together we

compose your own song and together we

compose your own song and together we can sing a politics of possibility and

can sing a politics of possibility and

can sing a politics of possibility and create a brighter future we’re not only

create a brighter future we’re not only

create a brighter future we’re not only citizens of this world

citizens of this world

citizens of this world we’re composers of it I’m fascinated by

we’re composers of it I’m fascinated by

we’re composers of it I’m fascinated by how we compose our lives and our

how we compose our lives and our

how we compose our lives and our communities when we come home to our

communities when we come home to our

communities when we come home to our common ground when we hear the music of

common ground when we hear the music of

common ground when we hear the music of our shared dialogue when we listen to

our shared dialogue when we listen to

our shared dialogue when we listen to each other’s songs and sing our own then

each other’s songs and sing our own then

each other’s songs and sing our own then we are collaboratively composing a

we are collaboratively composing a

we are collaboratively composing a better world and to that brave new

better world and to that brave new

better world and to that brave new musical world then we sing and to exist

musical world then we sing and to exist

musical world then we sing and to exist in

in

in together we can rightly say Bravo thank

together we can rightly say Bravo thank

together we can rightly say Bravo thank you thank you

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