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what if we don’t have a political

what if we don’t have a political problem what if we don’t have a

problem what if we don’t have a

problem what if we don’t have a Hollywood problem what if we don’t have

Hollywood problem what if we don’t have

Hollywood problem what if we don’t have an opioid problem what if I presented

an opioid problem what if I presented

an opioid problem what if I presented these issues to you in a different way

these issues to you in a different way

these issues to you in a different way the electorate and the elected are a

the electorate and the elected are a

the electorate and the elected are a reflection of those who go to the polls

reflection of those who go to the polls

reflection of those who go to the polls Hollywood is a reflection of the

Hollywood is a reflection of the

Hollywood is a reflection of the audience it serves and opioids are a

audience it serves and opioids are a

audience it serves and opioids are a numbing agent for a much deeper

numbing agent for a much deeper

numbing agent for a much deeper individual need what if we spent so much

individual need what if we spent so much

individual need what if we spent so much time reacting to all of the noise around

time reacting to all of the noise around

time reacting to all of the noise around us that we miss the fundamental problem

us that we miss the fundamental problem

us that we miss the fundamental problem if I accept these propositions and the

if I accept these propositions and the

if I accept these propositions and the general rule that they communicate which

general rule that they communicate which

general rule that they communicate which is that our social ills are a reflection

is that our social ills are a reflection

is that our social ills are a reflection of the condition of our society then I

of the condition of our society then I

of the condition of our society then I have to take some time to think about

have to take some time to think about

have to take some time to think about how our society got to where it is now

how our society got to where it is now

how our society got to where it is now and this process

and this process

and this process logically begins at the beginning where

logically begins at the beginning where

logically begins at the beginning where society is stitched together and this

society is stitched together and this

society is stitched together and this part of the process is especially

part of the process is especially

part of the process is especially important to me because my day job

important to me because my day job

important to me because my day job involves stitching together one of the

involves stitching together one of the

involves stitching together one of the most fundamental aspects of society it’s

most fundamental aspects of society it’s

most fundamental aspects of society it’s to where I build my bridges and that is

to where I build my bridges and that is

to where I build my bridges and that is to the family in other words my day job

to the family in other words my day job

to the family in other words my day job is making babies but the last weird way

is making babies but the last weird way

is making babies but the last weird way to say that is I work in the field of

to say that is I work in the field of

to say that is I work in the field of in-vitro fertilization right you have to

in-vitro fertilization right you have to

in-vitro fertilization right you have to make things always a little bit awkward

make things always a little bit awkward

make things always a little bit awkward at the dinner table

at the dinner table

at the dinner table I’m very proud of this picture this is

I’m very proud of this picture this is

I’m very proud of this picture this is our embryo hall-of-fame picture those

our embryo hall-of-fame picture those

our embryo hall-of-fame picture those are human embryos superimposed against

are human embryos superimposed against

are human embryos superimposed against the finest salt crystals you can find

the finest salt crystals you can find

the finest salt crystals you can find and for an embryo to qualify to be on

and for an embryo to qualify to be on

and for an embryo to qualify to be on this picture it had to have become a

this picture it had to have become a

this picture it had to have become a human baby so each one of those guys are

human baby so each one of those guys are

human baby so each one of those guys are alive and some some of them are in their

alive and some some of them are in their

alive and some some of them are in their early teens now my goal from a 3,000

early teens now my goal from a 3,000

early teens now my goal from a 3,000 foot perspective today is to get you to

foot perspective today is to get you to

foot perspective today is to get you to think very deeply about what happens

think very deeply about what happens

think very deeply about what happens when technology doesn’t just change how

when technology doesn’t just change how

when technology doesn’t just change how we live but can begin to fundamentally

we live but can begin to fundamentally

we live but can begin to fundamentally change who we are and the reason we’re

change who we are and the reason we’re

change who we are and the reason we’re going to spend the rest of our time

going to spend the rest of our time

going to spend the rest of our time together here laser focusing in on IVF

together here laser focusing in on IVF

together here laser focusing in on IVF and technology is that technology that

and technology is that technology that

and technology is that technology that can begin to affect how a human is built

can begin to affect how a human is built

can begin to affect how a human is built serves as a testbed for our assumptions

serves as a testbed for our assumptions

serves as a testbed for our assumptions and preconceptions that inform our

and preconceptions that inform our

and preconceptions that inform our worldview and inform the way we live and

worldview and inform the way we live and

worldview and inform the way we live and the way our society looks at large so I

the way our society looks at large so I

the way our society looks at large so I want you to sit back and relax as we go

want you to sit back and relax as we go

want you to sit back and relax as we go into this very specific field of IVF

into this very specific field of IVF

into this very specific field of IVF technology and ethics and I want to

technology and ethics and I want to

technology and ethics and I want to begin by telling you a story it’s a

begin by telling you a story it’s a

begin by telling you a story it’s a beautiful spring morning the lilacs are

beautiful spring morning the lilacs are

beautiful spring morning the lilacs are out and you’re feeling a trip to the zoo

out and you’re feeling a trip to the zoo

out and you’re feeling a trip to the zoo today so you’re calling to work well

today so you’re calling to work well

today so you’re calling to work well tell your boss I’m sick and you know he

tell your boss I’m sick and you know he

tell your boss I’m sick and you know he doesn’t buy it but doesn’t matter you

doesn’t buy it but doesn’t matter you

doesn’t buy it but doesn’t matter you can’t do anything about it

can’t do anything about it

can’t do anything about it you go to the zoo and you don’t care

you go to the zoo and you don’t care

you go to the zoo and you don’t care much for zoos not really but you’re

much for zoos not really but you’re

much for zoos not really but you’re going to the gorilla habitat and this

going to the gorilla habitat and this

going to the gorilla habitat and this part of the zoo is special to you you

part of the zoo is special to you you

part of the zoo is special to you you walk over and you look down and you see

walk over and you look down and you see

walk over and you look down and you see a gorilla named Agatha

a gorilla named Agatha

a gorilla named Agatha now while Agatha may look like all of

now while Agatha may look like all of

now while Agatha may look like all of the other gorillas in her pen she’s not

the other gorillas in her pen she’s not

the other gorillas in her pen she’s not just another gorilla not to you at least

just another gorilla not to you at least

just another gorilla not to you at least you see gorillas Agatha is your birth

you see gorillas Agatha is your birth

you see gorillas Agatha is your birth mother every element of your appearance

mother every element of your appearance

mother every element of your appearance your blue eyes your dark hair was

your blue eyes your dark hair was

your blue eyes your dark hair was designed by an embryologist in the lab

designed by an embryologist in the lab

designed by an embryologist in the lab using sperm from an anonymous donor

using sperm from an anonymous donor

using sperm from an anonymous donor eggs from an anonymous donor and they

eggs from an anonymous donor and they

eggs from an anonymous donor and they selected and designed the embryo to

selected and designed the embryo to

selected and designed the embryo to specification using an embryo D

specification using an embryo D

specification using an embryo D selection process and once your parents

selection process and once your parents

selection process and once your parents realize that renting an animal womb is

realize that renting an animal womb is

realize that renting an animal womb is much less expensive than the human

much less expensive than the human

much less expensive than the human alternative the embryologist transferred

alternative the embryologist transferred

alternative the embryologist transferred your embryo into the womb of Agatha nine

your embryo into the womb of Agatha nine

your embryo into the womb of Agatha nine months later out you come fully human

months later out you come fully human

months later out you come fully human perfectly healthy and with no biological

perfectly healthy and with no biological

perfectly healthy and with no biological connection to your parent who’s going to

connection to your parent who’s going to

connection to your parent who’s going to raise you what so ever you think what

raise you what so ever you think what

raise you what so ever you think what I’m talking about is impossible it’s not

I’m talking about is impossible it’s not

I’m talking about is impossible it’s not embryologists today using embryo

embryologists today using embryo

embryologists today using embryo selection technology you can

selection technology you can

selection technology you can fundamentally and basically design a

fundamentally and basically design a

fundamentally and basically design a human and once our society becomes

human and once our society becomes

human and once our society becomes comfortable with the idea it is entirely

comfortable with the idea it is entirely

comfortable with the idea it is entirely possible for a gorilla to carry a human

possible for a gorilla to carry a human

possible for a gorilla to carry a human baby to term if you still don’t believe

baby to term if you still don’t believe

baby to term if you still don’t believe me look it up you’ve got phones I’ve

me look it up you’ve got phones I’ve

me look it up you’ve got phones I’ve even put the search term up there for

even put the search term up there for

even put the search term up there for you inner cell mass transfer this is a

you inner cell mass transfer this is a

you inner cell mass transfer this is a technique that was perfected in animals

technique that was perfected in animals

technique that was perfected in animals in the early 1990s we live in a world

in the early 1990s we live in a world

in the early 1990s we live in a world where the evolution of technology has

where the evolution of technology has

where the evolution of technology has begun to delimit the boundaries of what

begun to delimit the boundaries of what

begun to delimit the boundaries of what we are able to do and we as humans love

we are able to do and we as humans love

we are able to do and we as humans love this imagery we love the idea that lines

this imagery we love the idea that lines

this imagery we love the idea that lines are erased that not even the sky is the

are erased that not even the sky is the

are erased that not even the sky is the limit it holds a certain kind of luster

limit it holds a certain kind of luster

limit it holds a certain kind of luster that we just find enticing we do things

that we just find enticing we do things

that we just find enticing we do things because we can and this mindset is

because we can and this mindset is

because we can and this mindset is something that has been pervasive

something that has been pervasive

something that has been pervasive throughout our Western society really

throughout our Western society really

throughout our Western society really since the Renaissance I call it a canned

since the Renaissance I call it a canned

since the Renaissance I call it a canned culture we do things because we can but

culture we do things because we can but

culture we do things because we can but the yin to this concepts yang is the

the yin to this concepts yang is the

the yin to this concepts yang is the idea of odd odd implies that our society

idea of odd odd implies that our society

idea of odd odd implies that our society and our behavior should be ordered in a

and our behavior should be ordered in a

and our behavior should be ordered in a particular way not in order imply that

particular way not in order imply that

particular way not in order imply that there are limits to what we can do it

there are limits to what we can do it

there are limits to what we can do it also implies that if things aren’t

also implies that if things aren’t

also implies that if things aren’t ordered the way they ought to be ordered

ordered the way they ought to be ordered

ordered the way they ought to be ordered we can expect to see some negative

we can expect to see some negative

we can expect to see some negative repercussions down the line

repercussions down the line

repercussions down the line and implies also that limits are there

and implies also that limits are there

and implies also that limits are there for the sake of that we wish to protect

for the sake of that we wish to protect

for the sake of that we wish to protect cherish and promote now I want you to

cherish and promote now I want you to

cherish and promote now I want you to keep these two concepts in mind as I

keep these two concepts in mind as I

keep these two concepts in mind as I tell you another story I was talking

tell you another story I was talking

tell you another story I was talking with the embryologist who’s from out of

with the embryologist who’s from out of

with the embryologist who’s from out of state and he was telling me about a case

state and he was telling me about a case

state and he was telling me about a case that he was involved in started when a

that he was involved in started when a

that he was involved in started when a couple walked into the IVF Center and

couple walked into the IVF Center and

couple walked into the IVF Center and they said we want his child with the

they said we want his child with the

they said we want his child with the specific genotype and with a specific

specific genotype and with a specific

specific genotype and with a specific phenotype well I mean most IVF labs have

phenotype well I mean most IVF labs have

phenotype well I mean most IVF labs have this technology it’s commonplace now we

this technology it’s commonplace now we

this technology it’s commonplace now we have it why not use it to serve the

have it why not use it to serve the

have it why not use it to serve the customers need they designed the embryo

customers need they designed the embryo

customers need they designed the embryo using donor eggs no no sperm and once

using donor eggs no no sperm and once

using donor eggs no no sperm and once this embryo had been selected for the

this embryo had been selected for the

this embryo had been selected for the specifications that the parents wanted

specifications that the parents wanted

specifications that the parents wanted the parents decided that they didn’t

the parents decided that they didn’t

the parents decided that they didn’t really want to go through the

really want to go through the

really want to go through the inconvenience of carrying the child to

inconvenience of carrying the child to

inconvenience of carrying the child to term so they retained the services of a

term so they retained the services of a

term so they retained the services of a commercial gestational carrier it’s a

commercial gestational carrier it’s a

commercial gestational carrier it’s a large industry throughout the world six

large industry throughout the world six

large industry throughout the world six months into the pregnancy the attending

months into the pregnancy the attending

months into the pregnancy the attending obstetrician discovered that this child

obstetrician discovered that this child

obstetrician discovered that this child has a heart defect and it would require

has a heart defect and it would require

has a heart defect and it would require corrective open-heart surgery to correct

corrective open-heart surgery to correct

corrective open-heart surgery to correct shortly after birth this wasn’t the

shortly after birth this wasn’t the

shortly after birth this wasn’t the product that the parents had ordered

product that the parents had ordered

product that the parents had ordered this isn’t what they signed up for the

this isn’t what they signed up for the

this isn’t what they signed up for the child wasn’t really even there’s not

child wasn’t really even there’s not

child wasn’t really even there’s not there’s junetta clay and it hadn’t been

there’s junetta clay and it hadn’t been

there’s junetta clay and it hadn’t been born yet really all this presented was a

born yet really all this presented was a

born yet really all this presented was a very expensive failed investment so they

very expensive failed investment so they

very expensive failed investment so they embedded the child in utero the

embedded the child in utero the

embedded the child in utero the gestational carrier despite the parents

gestational carrier despite the parents

gestational carrier despite the parents decided to carry this child to term and

decided to carry this child to term and

decided to carry this child to term and said she would raise the child on the

said she would raise the child on the

said she would raise the child on the appointed day she brought the child for

appointed day she brought the child for

appointed day she brought the child for the open-heart surgery but while the

the open-heart surgery but while the

the open-heart surgery but while the child was recovering in the intensive

child was recovering in the intensive

child was recovering in the intensive care unit she realized that there are

care unit she realized that there are

care unit she realized that there are long-term repercussions to her decisions

long-term repercussions to her decisions

long-term repercussions to her decisions and this is in what she’s signed up for

and this is in what she’s signed up for

and this is in what she’s signed up for either she too abandoned the child as I

either she too abandoned the child as I

either she too abandoned the child as I started wrestling with the concepts of

started wrestling with the concepts of

started wrestling with the concepts of can and ought in my own work and dealing

can and ought in my own work and dealing

can and ought in my own work and dealing with messy situations like this one I

with messy situations like this one I

with messy situations like this one I came to the realization

came to the realization

came to the realization that we can use extreme and powerful

that we can use extreme and powerful

that we can use extreme and powerful technology that is the same but the

technology that is the same but the

technology that is the same but the philosophies and the assumptions that

philosophies and the assumptions that

philosophies and the assumptions that lead into it and its application can be

lead into it and its application can be

lead into it and its application can be as different as night and day let me

as different as night and day let me

as different as night and day let me give you an example of what I mean a

give you an example of what I mean a

give you an example of what I mean a couple comes to an infertility clinic

couple comes to an infertility clinic

couple comes to an infertility clinic they meet with the doctor and they’re

they meet with the doctor and they’re

they meet with the doctor and they’re suffering from miscarriage after

suffering from miscarriage after

suffering from miscarriage after miscarriage after miscarriage well going

miscarriage after miscarriage well going

miscarriage after miscarriage well going to the extremes of what we are capable

to the extremes of what we are capable

to the extremes of what we are capable of on a technological level we can use a

of on a technological level we can use a

of on a technological level we can use a procedure that’s been used throughout

procedure that’s been used throughout

procedure that’s been used throughout all of these examples that I’ve

all of these examples that I’ve

all of these examples that I’ve mentioned pre-implementation genetic

mentioned pre-implementation genetic

mentioned pre-implementation genetic screening and we can determine that this

screening and we can determine that this

screening and we can determine that this couple is suffering from a rare genetic

couple is suffering from a rare genetic

couple is suffering from a rare genetic disease that is embedded in the embryos

disease that is embedded in the embryos

disease that is embedded in the embryos the majority of their embryos have it

the majority of their embryos have it

the majority of their embryos have it some don’t and this disease causes

some don’t and this disease causes

some don’t and this disease causes spontaneous abortions at three weeks of

spontaneous abortions at three weeks of

spontaneous abortions at three weeks of gestational age now using this

gestational age now using this

gestational age now using this technology we can go in and transfer one

technology we can go in and transfer one

technology we can go in and transfer one of the few embryos that don’t have this

of the few embryos that don’t have this

of the few embryos that don’t have this genetic disease as a result this couple

genetic disease as a result this couple

genetic disease as a result this couple can have a child and this genetic

can have a child and this genetic

can have a child and this genetic disease that has been plaguing this

disease that has been plaguing this

disease that has been plaguing this family online can be eradicated for

family online can be eradicated for

family online can be eradicated for generations to come

generations to come

generations to come you see there’s this misnomer that the

you see there’s this misnomer that the

you see there’s this misnomer that the concept of odd is prudent that if you

concept of odd is prudent that if you

concept of odd is prudent that if you subscribe to the idea of limits that

subscribe to the idea of limits that

subscribe to the idea of limits that that will steer you away from

that will steer you away from

that will steer you away from advancement and progress now as we’re

advancement and progress now as we’re

advancement and progress now as we’re wrestling through these examples

wrestling through these examples

wrestling through these examples together let me assure you that that is

together let me assure you that that is

together let me assure you that that is a false dichotomy you can be a very

a false dichotomy you can be a very

a false dichotomy you can be a very aggressive in your science but very

aggressive in your science but very

aggressive in your science but very thoughtful in how you apply it let me

thoughtful in how you apply it let me

thoughtful in how you apply it let me tell you one final story a couple of

tell you one final story a couple of

tell you one final story a couple of parents this time come into an

parents this time come into an

parents this time come into an infertility clinic and they bring their

infertility clinic and they bring their

infertility clinic and they bring their four-year-old daughter with it turns out

four-year-old daughter with it turns out

four-year-old daughter with it turns out as we’re having this conversation that

as we’re having this conversation that

as we’re having this conversation that their daughter has bone marrow cancer

their daughter has bone marrow cancer

their daughter has bone marrow cancer and if she doesn’t receive a bone marrow

and if she doesn’t receive a bone marrow

and if she doesn’t receive a bone marrow transplant from an exact donor

transplant from an exact donor

transplant from an exact donor genetic match she will be dead within

genetic match she will be dead within

genetic match she will be dead within two years can you imagine what this

two years can you imagine what this

two years can you imagine what this family must be going through their only

family must be going through their only

family must be going through their only child their first child dying as they

child their first child dying as they

child their first child dying as they watch

watch

watch but there’s a treatment for this

but there’s a treatment for this

but there’s a treatment for this theoretically we can use what’s called

theoretically we can use what’s called

theoretically we can use what’s called HLA typing selection to create a number

HLA typing selection to create a number

HLA typing selection to create a number of embryos and an embryologist can go in

of embryos and an embryologist can go in

of embryos and an embryologist can go in there with the wisp of a needle no

there with the wisp of a needle no

there with the wisp of a needle no larger than a fraction of the width of

larger than a fraction of the width of

larger than a fraction of the width of your hair and a blast from a laser

your hair and a blast from a laser

your hair and a blast from a laser scalpel this embryo can be selected and

scalpel this embryo can be selected and

scalpel this embryo can be selected and this embryo can be transferred over into

this embryo can be transferred over into

this embryo can be transferred over into the mom this mom can carry this child to

the mom this mom can carry this child to

the mom this mom can carry this child to term and the birth of the baby boy

term and the birth of the baby boy

term and the birth of the baby boy can lead to the ability to potentially

can lead to the ability to potentially

can lead to the ability to potentially save the life of the older sibling with

save the life of the older sibling with

save the life of the older sibling with a bone-marrow transplant that can happen

a bone-marrow transplant that can happen

a bone-marrow transplant that can happen just a few months after birth the

just a few months after birth the

just a few months after birth the younger life gave sustenance to the

younger life gave sustenance to the

younger life gave sustenance to the older life both children can live can

older life both children can live can

older life both children can live can this procedure be performed yes of

this procedure be performed yes of

this procedure be performed yes of course it can technology’s there it’s

course it can technology’s there it’s

course it can technology’s there it’s easy at this procedure to be performed

easy at this procedure to be performed

easy at this procedure to be performed are we to create new human life for the

are we to create new human life for the

are we to create new human life for the purpose of another does it set a

purpose of another does it set a

purpose of another does it set a dangerous precedent of creating human

dangerous precedent of creating human

dangerous precedent of creating human life for functionally the ability to

life for functionally the ability to

life for functionally the ability to have spare parts is this a road we ought

have spare parts is this a road we ought

have spare parts is this a road we ought to go down and the time that I’ve been

to go down and the time that I’ve been

to go down and the time that I’ve been around in the industry our embryologists

around in the industry our embryologists

around in the industry our embryologists have encountered iterations of this case

have encountered iterations of this case

have encountered iterations of this case twice and I’m not going to tell you what

twice and I’m not going to tell you what

twice and I’m not going to tell you what we did in those cases because that would

we did in those cases because that would

we did in those cases because that would defeat the purpose of why I’m here today

defeat the purpose of why I’m here today

defeat the purpose of why I’m here today I want you to work through this for

I want you to work through this for

I want you to work through this for yourself but as we’re taking a step back

yourself but as we’re taking a step back

yourself but as we’re taking a step back now and moving out of the world of

now and moving out of the world of

now and moving out of the world of infertility technology and going back to

infertility technology and going back to

infertility technology and going back to the bigger picture that we were talking

the bigger picture that we were talking

the bigger picture that we were talking about earlier I do want to leave you

about earlier I do want to leave you

about earlier I do want to leave you with two questions just to help you get

with two questions just to help you get

with two questions just to help you get started on the thinking process question

started on the thinking process question

started on the thinking process question number one might be an obvious one are

number one might be an obvious one are

number one might be an obvious one are you a can person or are you a not person

you a can person or are you a not person

you a can person or are you a not person and depending on your answer to this

and depending on your answer to this

and depending on your answer to this question I suggest you ask yourself a

question I suggest you ask yourself a

question I suggest you ask yourself a follow-up for the can people if you’re a

follow-up for the can people if you’re a

follow-up for the can people if you’re a can person have you considered the

can person have you considered the

can person have you considered the consequences of your ideas are you ready

consequences of your ideas are you ready

consequences of your ideas are you ready to live in a delimited

to live in a delimited

to live in a delimited and all that it entails many people

and all that it entails many people

and all that it entails many people absolutely pick this option so you’re

absolutely pick this option so you’re

absolutely pick this option so you’re not in the minority if you’re out there

not in the minority if you’re out there

not in the minority if you’re out there question for the OP people if you are an

question for the OP people if you are an

question for the OP people if you are an odd person are you clear on what informs

odd person are you clear on what informs

odd person are you clear on what informs your concept of what ought is and let me

your concept of what ought is and let me

your concept of what ought is and let me just kind of bat down a notion right out

just kind of bat down a notion right out

just kind of bat down a notion right out of the gate

of the gate

of the gate OTT cannot be informed by unique

OTT cannot be informed by unique

OTT cannot be informed by unique individual conviction because if odd is

individual conviction because if odd is

individual conviction because if odd is informed by unique individual conviction

informed by unique individual conviction

informed by unique individual conviction then we’ve masterfully gone full circle

then we’ve masterfully gone full circle

then we’ve masterfully gone full circle and we live in a can society if people

and we live in a can society if people

and we live in a can society if people determine for themselves what is on an

determine for themselves what is on an

determine for themselves what is on an individual basis then that is

individual basis then that is

individual basis then that is fundamentally what a delimited society

fundamentally what a delimited society

fundamentally what a delimited society is right and wrong determined at will so

is right and wrong determined at will so

is right and wrong determined at will so if you decide that you are an odd person

if you decide that you are an odd person

if you decide that you are an odd person you need to be very clear and have

you need to be very clear and have

you need to be very clear and have something more transcendental than just

something more transcendental than just

something more transcendental than just individual human women I hope you see

individual human women I hope you see

individual human women I hope you see why I believe this discussion is so

why I believe this discussion is so

why I believe this discussion is so valuable

valuable

valuable you see talking about IVF biotechnology

you see talking about IVF biotechnology

you see talking about IVF biotechnology and technology that can begin to affect

and technology that can begin to affect

and technology that can begin to affect human life teases out this fundamental

human life teases out this fundamental

human life teases out this fundamental question of can and odd and by thinking

question of can and odd and by thinking

question of can and odd and by thinking through this we discover what our

through this we discover what our

through this we discover what our assumptions and preconceptions are that

assumptions and preconceptions are that

assumptions and preconceptions are that inform how we live our lives and what

inform how we live our lives and what

inform how we live our lives and what our society looks like on the aggregate

our society looks like on the aggregate

our society looks like on the aggregate you’ll remember at the beginning I asked

you’ll remember at the beginning I asked

you’ll remember at the beginning I asked a series of three questions and these

a series of three questions and these

a series of three questions and these questions hinge on the idea that the

questions hinge on the idea that the

questions hinge on the idea that the things we see on our news feed in the

things we see on our news feed in the

things we see on our news feed in the morning when we’re trying to get out of

morning when we’re trying to get out of

morning when we’re trying to get out of bed and that make us one of facepalm

bed and that make us one of facepalm

bed and that make us one of facepalm right back into the pillow might

right back into the pillow might

right back into the pillow might actually be a reflection of who we are

actually be a reflection of who we are

actually be a reflection of who we are and if we don’t like what we see in the

and if we don’t like what we see in the

and if we don’t like what we see in the mirror do we need to ask ourselves the

mirror do we need to ask ourselves the

mirror do we need to ask ourselves the question if perhaps our society and dare

question if perhaps our society and dare

question if perhaps our society and dare I say our individual lives are not

I say our individual lives are not

I say our individual lives are not ordered the way they ought to be and if

ordered the way they ought to be and if

ordered the way they ought to be and if I come to this conclusion does that

I come to this conclusion does that

I come to this conclusion does that change how I deal with the problems I

change how I deal with the problems I

change how I deal with the problems I find on my own street corner

find on my own street corner

find on my own street corner I want you to think about this deeply

I want you to think about this deeply

I want you to think about this deeply because ideas have consequences and like

because ideas have consequences and like

because ideas have consequences and like in the field of infertility in IVF some

in the field of infertility in IVF some

in the field of infertility in IVF some of those consequences can extend to

of those consequences can extend to

of those consequences can extend to life-and-death situations and I promise

life-and-death situations and I promise

life-and-death situations and I promise you you do not want to be thinking about

you you do not want to be thinking about

you you do not want to be thinking about this for the first time when you’re in

this for the first time when you’re in

this for the first time when you’re in the hot seat so think about it deeply

the hot seat so think about it deeply

the hot seat so think about it deeply think about it deeply now I promise you

think about it deeply now I promise you

think about it deeply now I promise you it’ll be worth your effort and remember

it’ll be worth your effort and remember

it’ll be worth your effort and remember Agatha is always right around the corner

Agatha is always right around the corner

Agatha is always right around the corner thank you so much

thank you so much

thank you so much [Applause]

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