today is a wonderful event we’re talking about the future now if you were to take
about the future now if you were to take
about the future now if you were to take a moment and just imagine that future
a moment and just imagine that future
a moment and just imagine that future what would that world look like to you
what would that world look like to you
what would that world look like to you would every adult and child have enough
would every adult and child have enough
would every adult and child have enough food to eat whether it be a world that
food to eat whether it be a world that
food to eat whether it be a world that is free from poverty with their equity
is free from poverty with their equity
is free from poverty with their equity and equality between women and men from
and equality between women and men from
and equality between women and men from all walks of life have you been holding
all walks of life have you been holding
all walks of life have you been holding on to that right bold mutable vision of
on to that right bold mutable vision of
on to that right bold mutable vision of the future is incredibly important it’s
the future is incredibly important it’s
the future is incredibly important it’s profound it’s also only the first step
profound it’s also only the first step
profound it’s also only the first step in the journey isn’t it there’s still a
in the journey isn’t it there’s still a
in the journey isn’t it there’s still a little matter of figuring out exactly
little matter of figuring out exactly
little matter of figuring out exactly how are we going to get there one of the
how are we going to get there one of the
how are we going to get there one of the things that’s going to be very important
things that’s going to be very important
things that’s going to be very important for us to have on our radar as we’re
for us to have on our radar as we’re
for us to have on our radar as we’re trying to navigate our way to the future
trying to navigate our way to the future
trying to navigate our way to the future it’s just how potent assumptions are in
it’s just how potent assumptions are in
it’s just how potent assumptions are in shaping exactly how we engage with
shaping exactly how we engage with
shaping exactly how we engage with challenges and in shaping your outcomes
challenges and in shaping your outcomes
challenges and in shaping your outcomes of those challenges and finally by the
of those challenges and finally by the
of those challenges and finally by the surf spending the nature of the
surf spending the nature of the
surf spending the nature of the situation or understanding the rules of
situation or understanding the rules of
situation or understanding the rules of the game and I can give a little story
the game and I can give a little story
the game and I can give a little story to illustrate that from when I was alone
to illustrate that from when I was alone
to illustrate that from when I was alone and I was lucky enough to have a brother
and I was lucky enough to have a brother
and I was lucky enough to have a brother and sister older than I
and sister older than I
and sister older than I and they let me hang out with them when
and they let me hang out with them when
and they let me hang out with them when they’re older give your friends and
they’re older give your friends and
they’re older give your friends and there’s to run around and play all the
there’s to run around and play all the
there’s to run around and play all the sorts of things and one day we were
sorts of things and one day we were
sorts of things and one day we were playing a game in which one person would
playing a game in which one person would
playing a game in which one person would hide and everybody would see and if you
hide and everybody would see and if you
hide and everybody would see and if you found the person who would join them and
found the person who would join them and
found the person who would join them and then if somebody else found you they
then if somebody else found you they
then if somebody else found you they would join you and eventually you’re all
would join you and eventually you’re all
would join you and eventually you’re all together and in this occasion I started
together and in this occasion I started
together and in this occasion I started searching for them I instantly realized
searching for them I instantly realized
searching for them I instantly realized there’s probably one best hiding place
there’s probably one best hiding place
there’s probably one best hiding place and it was even written up high it was
and it was even written up high it was
and it was even written up high it was too high for me because quite frankly I
too high for me because quite frankly I
too high for me because quite frankly I was going this route and so I went to an
was going this route and so I went to an
was going this route and so I went to an older girl and they said I have an idea
older girl and they said I have an idea
older girl and they said I have an idea and you have that let’s team up and off
and you have that let’s team up and off
and you have that let’s team up and off we went and she opened the shed and said
we went and she opened the shed and said
we went and she opened the shed and said sorry kid no luck but she went one way
sorry kid no luck but she went one way
sorry kid no luck but she went one way and I went the other I kept searching
and I went the other I kept searching
and I went the other I kept searching and searching in about 30 minutes later
and searching in about 30 minutes later
and searching in about 30 minutes later and realized I was alone and they
and realized I was alone and they
and realized I was alone and they figured out what had happened and they
figured out what had happened and they
figured out what had happened and they served back to the woodsman it dragged
served back to the woodsman it dragged
served back to the woodsman it dragged something over and I climbed up there
something over and I climbed up there
something over and I climbed up there look him in there they run the girl I’m
look him in there they run the girl I’m
look him in there they run the girl I’m getting to look two dozen super creepy
getting to look two dozen super creepy
getting to look two dozen super creepy spiders and the importantly governor the
spiders and the importantly governor the
spiders and the importantly governor the assumption is stories the nature is some
assumption is stories the nature is some
assumption is stories the nature is some key and that is that it was a zero-sum
key and that is that it was a zero-sum
key and that is that it was a zero-sum game assumption a zero-sum game refers
game assumption a zero-sum game refers
game assumption a zero-sum game refers to a situation in which in order for one
to a situation in which in order for one
to a situation in which in order for one person to win the other person has to
person to win the other person has to
person to win the other person has to lose like a teeter totter for one side
lose like a teeter totter for one side
lose like a teeter totter for one side didn’t work the other side has to go
didn’t work the other side has to go
didn’t work the other side has to go down now what kind of assumptions very
down now what kind of assumptions very
down now what kind of assumptions very useful in all sorts of situations from
useful in all sorts of situations from
useful in all sorts of situations from chess and checkers to if you are heading
chess and checkers to if you are heading
chess and checkers to if you are heading off to the southeast
off to the southeast
off to the southeast games and you wanted to win the question
games and you wanted to win the question
games and you wanted to win the question is the very useful is that kind of
is the very useful is that kind of
is the very useful is that kind of assumption in the case of getting us to
assumption in the case of getting us to
assumption in the case of getting us to the future that we want in very specific
the future that we want in very specific
the future that we want in very specific terms how useful is that kind of
terms how useful is that kind of
terms how useful is that kind of assumption in terms of equity and
assumption in terms of equity and
assumption in terms of equity and equality in getting to that future – not
equality in getting to that future – not
equality in getting to that future – not because that’s that’s a question it’s an
because that’s that’s a question it’s an
because that’s that’s a question it’s an assumption I encountered quite a lot in
assumption I encountered quite a lot in
assumption I encountered quite a lot in my work in research for development
my work in research for development
my work in research for development research development it’s really just a
research development it’s really just a
research development it’s really just a fancy way of saying a lot of people who
fancy way of saying a lot of people who
fancy way of saying a lot of people who are very committed to finding pathways
are very committed to finding pathways
are very committed to finding pathways to that future the way they encounter
to that future the way they encounter
to that future the way they encounter this is subkey you can kind of break it
this is subkey you can kind of break it
this is subkey you can kind of break it down into two main questions and the
down into two main questions and the
down into two main questions and the first one is it’s a question of okay we
first one is it’s a question of okay we
first one is it’s a question of okay we have all these pressing challenges in
have all these pressing challenges in
have all these pressing challenges in the world and some of them are quite
the world and some of them are quite
the world and some of them are quite concrete like poverty and not enough
concrete like poverty and not enough
concrete like poverty and not enough food
food
food shouldn’t we be prioritizing these
shouldn’t we be prioritizing these
shouldn’t we be prioritizing these concrete ones doing those first before
concrete ones doing those first before
concrete ones doing those first before we spend our limited time and resources
we spend our limited time and resources
we spend our limited time and resources on pursuing equity inequality that’s one
on pursuing equity inequality that’s one
on pursuing equity inequality that’s one of the big questions I encounter the
of the big questions I encounter the
of the big questions I encounter the other one is one that probably said the
other one is one that probably said the
other one is one that probably said the other hates women people think more
other hates women people think more
other hates women people think more often than they say it so I was actually
often than they say it so I was actually
often than they say it so I was actually quite pleased when it gentleman actually
quite pleased when it gentleman actually
quite pleased when it gentleman actually sang and it works out the only day he
sang and it works out the only day he
sang and it works out the only day he saw so much Super’s when he said it he
saw so much Super’s when he said it he
saw so much Super’s when he said it he said ok I know in developing countries
said ok I know in developing countries
said ok I know in developing countries women and women farmers they have far
women and women farmers they have far
women and women farmers they have far fewer resources they have less
fewer resources they have less
fewer resources they have less – in patrol over technologies
– in patrol over technologies
– in patrol over technologies information they have lower wages they
information they have lower wages they
information they have lower wages they have to do more unpaid work they have
have to do more unpaid work they have
have to do more unpaid work they have another child care and they listed a lot
another child care and they listed a lot
another child care and they listed a lot list of things that he understood and he
list of things that he understood and he
list of things that he understood and he said of all these reasons this means the
said of all these reasons this means the
said of all these reasons this means the equity and equality there could be a
equity and equality there could be a
equity and equality there could be a really nice thing for women aren’t they
really nice thing for women aren’t they
really nice thing for women aren’t they and then he said this was the sheepish
and then he said this was the sheepish
and then he said this was the sheepish parade he said yes but the pin what
parade he said yes but the pin what
parade he said yes but the pin what about the poor men so let’s look at
about the poor men so let’s look at
about the poor men so let’s look at those two questions starting with the
those two questions starting with the
those two questions starting with the first women in the question of putting
first women in the question of putting
first women in the question of putting the colony in relation to food security
the colony in relation to food security
the colony in relation to food security the backdrop of course is that we still
the backdrop of course is that we still
the backdrop of course is that we still have a lot of people with only enough
have a lot of people with only enough
have a lot of people with only enough nutritional food in the world but 800
nutritional food in the world but 800
nutritional food in the world but 800 million is estimated at present that’s
million is estimated at present that’s
million is estimated at present that’s especially true for developing countries
especially true for developing countries
especially true for developing countries and there’s that that Easter’s been
and there’s that that Easter’s been
and there’s that that Easter’s been compounded because that’s where the
compounded because that’s where the
compounded because that’s where the population growth is fastest so we need
population growth is fastest so we need
population growth is fastest so we need food production to keep pace with that
food production to keep pace with that
food production to keep pace with that but there is a challenge there are men
but there is a challenge there are men
but there is a challenge there are men farmers women farmers and meanwhile
farmers women farmers and meanwhile
farmers women farmers and meanwhile women farmers are able to produce less
women farmers are able to produce less
women farmers are able to produce less than men farmers why the Rhine has to do
than men farmers why the Rhine has to do
than men farmers why the Rhine has to do with what the gentleman was referring to
with what the gentleman was referring to
with what the gentleman was referring to women farmers have less access to all
women farmers have less access to all
women farmers have less access to all the things they need to grow the same
the things they need to grow the same
the things they need to grow the same amount of food things like good for you
amount of food things like good for you
amount of food things like good for you could see good fertilizer information
could see good fertilizer information
could see good fertilizer information training all of these things so what
training all of these things so what
training all of these things so what looks like a food production problem
looks like a food production problem
looks like a food production problem person has a lot to do with an
person has a lot to do with an
person has a lot to do with an inequality problem now world economy is
inequality problem now world economy is
inequality problem now world economy is limited
limited
limited people in excess as males farmers what
people in excess as males farmers what
people in excess as males farmers what do you think will happen
do you think will happen
do you think will happen lucky for us the Food and Agriculture
lucky for us the Food and Agriculture
lucky for us the Food and Agriculture Organization viewing his exit crunched
Organization viewing his exit crunched
Organization viewing his exit crunched numbers and what they came up with was
numbers and what they came up with was
numbers and what they came up with was if we were the men farmers in the same
if we were the men farmers in the same
if we were the men farmers in the same access equal access if we production
access equal access if we production
access equal access if we production would go on and up to the tune of 100
would go on and up to the tune of 100
would go on and up to the tune of 100 250 million more people having access to
250 million more people having access to
250 million more people having access to food that’s equivalent of for Malaysia’s
food that’s equivalent of for Malaysia’s
food that’s equivalent of for Malaysia’s going from not having enough to have
going from not having enough to have
going from not having enough to have enough to play extraordinary it’s quite
enough to play extraordinary it’s quite
enough to play extraordinary it’s quite profound shift for just making things
profound shift for just making things
profound shift for just making things deploy this this relationship this
deploy this this relationship this
deploy this this relationship this amplified of food outcomes is something
amplified of food outcomes is something
amplified of food outcomes is something that also seen on the ground at work
that also seen on the ground at work
that also seen on the ground at work that I’ve been doing with her with
that I’ve been doing with her with
that I’ve been doing with her with wonderful rumensin rivers in Bangladesh
wonderful rumensin rivers in Bangladesh
wonderful rumensin rivers in Bangladesh for example where there are significant
for example where there are significant
for example where there are significant food challenges including that the
food challenges including that the
food challenges including that the little ones the kids undersigned about
little ones the kids undersigned about
little ones the kids undersigned about half of them suffer from the study so
half of them suffer from the study so
half of them suffer from the study so they cannot grow to their full physical
they cannot grow to their full physical
they cannot grow to their full physical or mental potential it shouldn’t be
or mental potential it shouldn’t be
or mental potential it shouldn’t be talking about the future
talking about the future
talking about the future the longer present so in this context
the longer present so in this context
the longer present so in this context we’ve been working in the area of
we’ve been working in the area of
we’ve been working in the area of helping poor farmers get more fish and
helping poor farmers get more fish and
helping poor farmers get more fish and strengthen their backyard pond systems
strengthen their backyard pond systems
strengthen their backyard pond systems and one of our entry points is by
and one of our entry points is by
and one of our entry points is by working to get women more access to and
working to get women more access to and
working to get women more access to and control over these pots
control over these pots
control over these pots oh geez and we’ve been working with
oh geez and we’ve been working with
oh geez and we’ve been working with women and men together to say okay are
women and men together to say okay are
women and men together to say okay are there issues they’re about to or there
there issues they’re about to or there
there issues they’re about to or there are social in nutrition or incomes for
are social in nutrition or incomes for
are social in nutrition or incomes for your families as well north of course
your families as well north of course
your families as well north of course doing this we found something really
doing this we found something really
doing this we found something really interesting over time through the
interesting over time through the
interesting over time through the section research women started to not
section research women started to not
section research women started to not have to wait for their husbands to come
have to wait for their husbands to come
have to wait for their husbands to come home and catch fish for them they
home and catch fish for them they
home and catch fish for them they stopped over to wait for permission to
stopped over to wait for permission to
stopped over to wait for permission to catch fish we were able to catch fish
catch fish we were able to catch fish
catch fish we were able to catch fish more regularly and catch more fish they
more regularly and catch more fish they
more regularly and catch more fish they also started how our decision-making
also started how our decision-making
also started how our decision-making power which became very important
power which became very important
power which became very important because now that they were able to
because now that they were able to
because now that they were able to control an outlet to these fish and in
control an outlet to these fish and in
control an outlet to these fish and in this case they were able to make sure
this case they were able to make sure
this case they were able to make sure that their children these little ones
that their children these little ones
that their children these little ones who eat them need this nutrition the
who eat them need this nutrition the
who eat them need this nutrition the most they were in to make sure they got
most they were in to make sure they got
most they were in to make sure they got this yes it is this wonderful little
this yes it is this wonderful little
this yes it is this wonderful little fish number one story they have only
fish number one story they have only
fish number one story they have only tiny soft bones you can make them into
tiny soft bones you can make them into
tiny soft bones you can make them into delicious fish escapes and studies and
delicious fish escapes and studies and
delicious fish escapes and studies and the impacts such a punch in terms of
the impacts such a punch in terms of
the impacts such a punch in terms of nutrition so their game in giving these
nutrition so their game in giving these
nutrition so their game in giving these kids a defense against these nutrition
kids a defense against these nutrition
kids a defense against these nutrition related diseases
related diseases
related diseases this is coming about through 16 gender
this is coming about through 16 gender
this is coming about through 16 gender equality very interesting it received
equality very interesting it received
equality very interesting it received during the same question over to poverty
during the same question over to poverty
during the same question over to poverty what I see in the world is there an
what I see in the world is there an
what I see in the world is there an alarming remains and communication is
alarming remains and communication is
alarming remains and communication is getting better but there’s still about
getting better but there’s still about
getting better but there’s still about one in ten people who centre of extreme
one in ten people who centre of extreme
one in ten people who centre of extreme poverty at the same time the issue of
poverty at the same time the issue of
poverty at the same time the issue of gender and gender equality remains a
gender and gender equality remains a
gender and gender equality remains a pressing pressing issue it is debated it
pressing pressing issue it is debated it
pressing pressing issue it is debated it it’s high manatee
it’s high manatee
it’s high manatee to get to a situation of economic
to get to a situation of economic
to get to a situation of economic equality between women and men it’s
equality between women and men it’s
equality between women and men it’s estimated at about 100 and 17th years is
estimated at about 100 and 17th years is
estimated at about 100 and 17th years is a long time
a long time
a long time this next date okay we’ll wait for our
this next date okay we’ll wait for our
this next date okay we’ll wait for our children’s children’s children’s
children’s children’s children’s
children’s children’s children’s children’s children’s children’s
children’s children’s children’s
children’s children’s children’s children okay that’s such a long time
children okay that’s such a long time
children okay that’s such a long time but what does that mean in terms of
but what does that mean in terms of
but what does that mean in terms of zero-sum we approach it that way than
zero-sum we approach it that way than
zero-sum we approach it that way than it’s just we have to choose between
it’s just we have to choose between
it’s just we have to choose between poverty reduction and solving the
poverty reduction and solving the
poverty reduction and solving the technical issues
technical issues
technical issues the good news is there’s all sorts of
the good news is there’s all sorts of
the good news is there’s all sorts of research now that says don’t choose
research now that says don’t choose
research now that says don’t choose groups like the World Bank of the IMF
groups like the World Bank of the IMF
groups like the World Bank of the IMF have looked at it and said that
have looked at it and said that
have looked at it and said that increasing equality is leading to
increasing equality is leading to
increasing equality is leading to stronger economies from national to
stronger economies from national to
stronger economies from national to global levels this is also something
global levels this is also something
global levels this is also something I’ve seen in countries like Egypt where
I’ve seen in countries like Egypt where
I’ve seen in countries like Egypt where for example women the fish retailers we
for example women the fish retailers we
for example women the fish retailers we they get very poor prices for what
they get very poor prices for what
they get very poor prices for what they’re trying to sell because of gender
they’re trying to sell because of gender
they’re trying to sell because of gender related issues like harassment in the
related issues like harassment in the
related issues like harassment in the marketplace when there was issues are
marketplace when there was issues are
marketplace when there was issues are reduced they’re able to get better
reduced they’re able to get better
reduced they’re able to get better prices translates right over into
prices translates right over into
prices translates right over into poverty reduction very interesting for
poverty reduction very interesting for
poverty reduction very interesting for this also has going for at this synergy
this also has going for at this synergy
this also has going for at this synergy between equity and equality is that
between equity and equality is that
between equity and equality is that there are other potential spin-off
there are other potential spin-off
there are other potential spin-off effect and there’s a story from Nepal
effect and there’s a story from Nepal
effect and there’s a story from Nepal that helps show those my connection to
that helps show those my connection to
that helps show those my connection to the story started when they started
the story started when they started
the story started when they started working on community forests at a time
working on community forests at a time
working on community forests at a time when the Government of Nepal had handed
when the Government of Nepal had handed
when the Government of Nepal had handed over the right to protective meters the
over the right to protective meters the
over the right to protective meters the forest of communities and from all the
forest of communities and from all the
forest of communities and from all the world a little bit a zero-sum game the
world a little bit a zero-sum game the
world a little bit a zero-sum game the forest will be protected they were
forest will be protected they were
forest will be protected they were winning but
winning but
winning but and on the most women and the poor in
and on the most women and the poor in
and on the most women and the poor in particular have needed firewood to cook
particular have needed firewood to cook
particular have needed firewood to cook who needed to collect firewood to sell
who needed to collect firewood to sell
who needed to collect firewood to sell for example when they have no other
for example when they have no other
for example when they have no other options they were largely excluded even
options they were largely excluded even
options they were largely excluded even if we look just at the people it looked
if we look just at the people it looked
if we look just at the people it looked like a zero-sum need when lose because
like a zero-sum need when lose because
like a zero-sum need when lose because the more powerful people the community
the more powerful people the community
the more powerful people the community the wealthier men from the higher size
the wealthier men from the higher size
the wealthier men from the higher size groups they were maintaining their onyx
groups they were maintaining their onyx
groups they were maintaining their onyx ala dating that position of power by
ala dating that position of power by
ala dating that position of power by being part of the committee is getting
being part of the committee is getting
being part of the committee is getting the benefits whatever came out of the
the benefits whatever came out of the
the benefits whatever came out of the committee’s there’s marginalized folks
committee’s there’s marginalized folks
committee’s there’s marginalized folks they were not getting those benefits
they were not getting those benefits
they were not getting those benefits that access issue was a big part of that
that access issue was a big part of that
that access issue was a big part of that lose for them what we just talked about
lose for them what we just talked about
lose for them what we just talked about but there was another part as well one
but there was another part as well one
but there was another part as well one woman said I have to collect wood but
woman said I have to collect wood but
woman said I have to collect wood but now if I try to write us a paper I try
now if I try to write us a paper I try
now if I try to write us a paper I try to go into the forest people call me a
to go into the forest people call me a
to go into the forest people call me a forest destroyer they chased me from
forest destroyer they chased me from
forest destroyer they chased me from meetings and she described it in terms
meetings and she described it in terms
meetings and she described it in terms of fearing such shame now what we did in
of fearing such shame now what we did in
of fearing such shame now what we did in less reason some terrific researchers
less reason some terrific researchers
less reason some terrific researchers there girl together and we started
there girl together and we started
there girl together and we started working through this action research
working through this action research
working through this action research process looking at ok these communities
process looking at ok these communities
process looking at ok these communities would it be interesting avenues to them
would it be interesting avenues to them
would it be interesting avenues to them if it
if it
if it a collaborative approach to this ability
a collaborative approach to this ability
a collaborative approach to this ability to process focusing on Emily and so we
to process focusing on Emily and so we
to process focusing on Emily and so we worked with them in our anticipatory
worked with them in our anticipatory
worked with them in our anticipatory monitoring and visioning and learning by
monitoring and visioning and learning by
monitoring and visioning and learning by Jillian tips are really exciting a few
Jillian tips are really exciting a few
Jillian tips are really exciting a few years but we saw a change was very
years but we saw a change was very
years but we saw a change was very revealing because first decision-making
revealing because first decision-making
revealing because first decision-making changed women in the poor started
changed women in the poor started
changed women in the poor started getting on committees and they started
getting on committees and they started
getting on committees and they started being able to voice their interests and
being able to voice their interests and
being able to voice their interests and their concerns sometimes they argued
their concerns sometimes they argued
their concerns sometimes they argued would have been more open and not the
would have been more open and not the
would have been more open and not the arguments got solved because the whole
arguments got solved because the whole
arguments got solved because the whole system was tinted towards a more
system was tinted towards a more
system was tinted towards a more equitable inclusive system at the same
equitable inclusive system at the same
equitable inclusive system at the same time because who made decisions with you
time because who made decisions with you
time because who made decisions with you when we saw mrs. the plants infection
when we saw mrs. the plants infection
when we saw mrs. the plants infection started to teach for example we’re
started to teach for example we’re
started to teach for example we’re collecting fire may have been burned now
collecting fire may have been burned now
collecting fire may have been burned now there’s a bit particular area but also
there’s a bit particular area but also
there’s a bit particular area but also kind of a flexible use area for the
kind of a flexible use area for the
kind of a flexible use area for the families that really had no other
families that really had no other
families that really had no other options at the same time the forest
options at the same time the forest
options at the same time the forest groups started to develop other options
groups started to develop other options
groups started to develop other options like raising small livestock to sale so
like raising small livestock to sale so
like raising small livestock to sale so people did have alternatives they could
people did have alternatives they could
people did have alternatives they could start giving subsidies to poor families
start giving subsidies to poor families
start giving subsidies to poor families for example free timber of certain
for example free timber of certain
for example free timber of certain portions so that people could reinforce
portions so that people could reinforce
portions so that people could reinforce their houses so we wouldn’t be blown
their houses so we wouldn’t be blown
their houses so we wouldn’t be blown down by storms and they didn’t have to
down by storms and they didn’t have to
down by storms and they didn’t have to go and steal from the forest to get the
go and steal from the forest to get the
go and steal from the forest to get the wood to do that and what this meant
wood to do that and what this meant
wood to do that and what this meant for a few years worshiped that when that
for a few years worshiped that when that
for a few years worshiped that when that really spoke to this question of zero
really spoke to this question of zero
really spoke to this question of zero Sun because what we saw was the forest
Sun because what we saw was the forest
Sun because what we saw was the forest was still winning it was still very well
was still winning it was still very well
was still winning it was still very well protected in fact more people got more
protected in fact more people got more
protected in fact more people got more excited from a part of protectiveness
excited from a part of protectiveness
excited from a part of protectiveness there were more volunteers patrolling
there were more volunteers patrolling
there were more volunteers patrolling for free to keep Outsiders from stealing
for free to keep Outsiders from stealing
for free to keep Outsiders from stealing from the forest there were more people
from the forest there were more people
from the forest there were more people getting involved in activities like
getting involved in activities like
getting involved in activities like replanting there are slopes so that the
replanting there are slopes so that the
replanting there are slopes so that the soil wouldn’t run away so you know
soil wouldn’t run away so you know
soil wouldn’t run away so you know landslides which would also help protect
landslides which would also help protect
landslides which would also help protect the watershed more people got involved
the watershed more people got involved
the watershed more people got involved the committee had more success doing
the committee had more success doing
the committee had more success doing what it was trying to do but on the
what it was trying to do but on the
what it was trying to do but on the other side the income of the poor and
other side the income of the poor and
other side the income of the poor and women in particular started to grow and
women in particular started to grow and
women in particular started to grow and the employment through the florists
the employment through the florists
the employment through the florists ropes and the small loans to the for US
ropes and the small loans to the for US
ropes and the small loans to the for US troops and what’s the process was that
troops and what’s the process was that
troops and what’s the process was that it wasn’t growing because there was just
it wasn’t growing because there was just
it wasn’t growing because there was just a redistribution verisure was growing
a redistribution verisure was growing
a redistribution verisure was growing also because the pie was growing
also because the pie was growing
also because the pie was growing everybody in the community started to
everybody in the community started to
everybody in the community started to see those same benefits of income of
see those same benefits of income of
see those same benefits of income of loans of employment so there is this
loans of employment so there is this
loans of employment so there is this momentum through equity and equality we
momentum through equity and equality we
momentum through equity and equality we saw the community getting stronger and
saw the community getting stronger and
saw the community getting stronger and hardly reducing the very earth when we
hardly reducing the very earth when we
hardly reducing the very earth when we talk to people who know about so what’s
talk to people who know about so what’s
talk to people who know about so what’s your what’s a big takeaway from this win
your what’s a big takeaway from this win
your what’s a big takeaway from this win or lose what do you think
or lose what do you think
or lose what do you think and we were surprised when women in the
and we were surprised when women in the
and we were surprised when women in the poor spoke of how much it was awaiting
poor spoke of how much it was awaiting
poor spoke of how much it was awaiting for them we were really interested to
for them we were really interested to
for them we were really interested to hear the folks that look like they were
hear the folks that look like they were
hear the folks that look like they were waiting at the pope set and we thought
waiting at the pope set and we thought
waiting at the pope set and we thought it only is everliving lost power and
it only is everliving lost power and
it only is everliving lost power and what
what
what kind wasn’t exactly them I wasn’t would
kind wasn’t exactly them I wasn’t would
kind wasn’t exactly them I wasn’t would not only because the primers bigger in
not only because the primers bigger in
not only because the primers bigger in the flesh was protected but also because
the flesh was protected but also because
the flesh was protected but also because they don’t feel that they were part of a
they don’t feel that they were part of a
they don’t feel that they were part of a community that has so much less conflict
community that has so much less conflict
community that has so much less conflict they were part of a community that was
they were part of a community that was
they were part of a community that was proud of what it was accomplishing and
proud of what it was accomplishing and
proud of what it was accomplishing and that before they had authority but now
that before they had authority but now
that before they had authority but now they have a respect and that meant quite
they have a respect and that meant quite
they have a respect and that meant quite a big deal to them so not so much
a big deal to them so not so much
a big deal to them so not so much zero-sum onofre neither for what if we
zero-sum onofre neither for what if we
zero-sum onofre neither for what if we turn to that second question the
turn to that second question the
turn to that second question the question about gentlemen asked about a
question about gentlemen asked about a
question about gentlemen asked about a little of the men if there’s only so
little of the men if there’s only so
little of the men if there’s only so polity will happen the outcomes that
polity will happen the outcomes that
polity will happen the outcomes that we’ve already seen they they clearly
we’ve already seen they they clearly
we’ve already seen they they clearly speak to that in the sense that well
speak to that in the sense that well
speak to that in the sense that well food security and poverty reduction and
food security and poverty reduction and
food security and poverty reduction and even protecting forests or the
even protecting forests or the
even protecting forests or the communities that are strong those are
communities that are strong those are
communities that are strong those are benefits for women they have demand
benefits for women they have demand
benefits for women they have demand everything but we can answer that
everything but we can answer that
everything but we can answer that question in another way as well many
question in another way as well many
question in another way as well many perspectives for men themselves men who
perspectives for men themselves men who
perspectives for men themselves men who have made transitions from less equal
have made transitions from less equal
have made transitions from less equal and equitable relationships and
and equitable relationships and
and equitable relationships and situations to much more so I can share
situations to much more so I can share
situations to much more so I can share some examples from Zambia for example
some examples from Zambia for example
some examples from Zambia for example where we do some work with small-scale
where we do some work with small-scale
where we do some work with small-scale fishing communities and something to
fishing communities and something to
fishing communities and something to know what’s not me is that in that
know what’s not me is that in that
know what’s not me is that in that context there are expectations about how
context there are expectations about how
context there are expectations about how men should be how they should behave not
men should be how they should behave not
men should be how they should behave not to be seen in every single country in
to be seen in every single country in
to be seen in every single country in this case
this case
this case my particular context there’s a an
my particular context there’s a an
my particular context there’s a an expectation that mean they should be a
expectation that mean they should be a
expectation that mean they should be a strong decision maker of the household
strong decision maker of the household
strong decision maker of the household they should be independent in the sense
they should be independent in the sense
they should be independent in the sense because they earn an income that’s for
because they earn an income that’s for
because they earn an income that’s for them and they can spend it on what they
them and they can spend it on what they
them and they can spend it on what they want there’s a strong expectation that
want there’s a strong expectation that
want there’s a strong expectation that they should not be the caregivers of
they should not be the caregivers of
they should not be the caregivers of their children that’s women’s work so
their children that’s women’s work so
their children that’s women’s work so when we first learn about what did they
when we first learn about what did they
when we first learn about what did they think of having made the transition
think of having made the transition
think of having made the transition through various processes and over
through various processes and over
through various processes and over various links of various reasons they
various links of various reasons they
various links of various reasons they came up with some really insightful
came up with some really insightful
came up with some really insightful answers and across the board they talked
answers and across the board they talked
answers and across the board they talked about the reasons why it was good for
about the reasons why it was good for
about the reasons why it was good for them not even talked about why human
them not even talked about why human
them not even talked about why human continues to it in the face of other men
continues to it in the face of other men
continues to it in the face of other men pushing him to backslide and one news I
pushing him to backslide and one news I
pushing him to backslide and one news I wanted to share was was one of the money
wanted to share was was one of the money
wanted to share was was one of the money related that Norma bone caregiving and
related that Norma bone caregiving and
related that Norma bone caregiving and he said how they shifted I didn’t ever
he said how they shifted I didn’t ever
he said how they shifted I didn’t ever see myself as a man who is able to be
see myself as a man who is able to be
see myself as a man who is able to be the most to mention aluminum and matter
the most to mention aluminum and matter
the most to mention aluminum and matter he was a winner there was another
he was a winner there was another
he was a winner there was another gentleman who to the highly pragmatic
gentleman who to the highly pragmatic
gentleman who to the highly pragmatic approach to us is decision making and on
approach to us is decision making and on
approach to us is decision making and on larita’s directly they said I wouldn’t
larita’s directly they said I wouldn’t
larita’s directly they said I wouldn’t don’t lose his not only words hearings
don’t lose his not only words hearings
don’t lose his not only words hearings highly pragmatic going from my rational
highly pragmatic going from my rational
highly pragmatic going from my rational decision-making role to one that’s
decision-making role to one that’s
decision-making role to one that’s shared he saw is very good because he
shared he saw is very good because he
shared he saw is very good because he said if men always think there are the
said if men always think there are the
said if men always think there are the leaders of the home they will stress
leaders of the home they will stress
leaders of the home they will stress themselves and die early
there are gentlemen
there are gentlemen fella by the name of Justin he really
fella by the name of Justin he really
fella by the name of Justin he really spoke about the combination of things in
spoke about the combination of things in
spoke about the combination of things in part of our sessions to decision-making
part of our sessions to decision-making
part of our sessions to decision-making and I was very important to him because
and I was very important to him because
and I was very important to him because he saw that she had this way had been
he saw that she had this way had been
he saw that she had this way had been operating very much separately and now
operating very much separately and now
operating very much separately and now addition he saw them as a team he talked
addition he saw them as a team he talked
addition he saw them as a team he talked about their mutual respect and he talked
about their mutual respect and he talked
about their mutual respect and he talked about harmony in the house and that was
about harmony in the house and that was
about harmony in the house and that was good for them and all their children and
good for them and all their children and
good for them and all their children and one of them she talked about he saw it
one of them she talked about he saw it
one of them she talked about he saw it having benefits in terms of where they
having benefits in terms of where they
having benefits in terms of where they were headed and they thought they were
were headed and they thought they were
were headed and they thought they were headed out of poverty and he said things
headed out of poverty and he said things
headed out of poverty and he said things like we’re on the way because we’re
like we’re on the way because we’re
like we’re on the way because we’re working together we’re going to be able
working together we’re going to be able
working together we’re going to be able to replace my last trip with a real iron
to replace my last trip with a real iron
to replace my last trip with a real iron roof that will protect us well and for
roof that will protect us well and for
roof that will protect us well and for him he described we keep going in this
him he described we keep going in this
him he described we keep going in this equitable rangas way of cooperation use
equitable rangas way of cooperation use
equitable rangas way of cooperation use it and you don’t box mine we will move
it and you don’t box mine we will move
it and you don’t box mine we will move to a higher level so in this long
to a higher level so in this long
to a higher level so in this long journey from the wood 7 through a couple
journey from the wood 7 through a couple
journey from the wood 7 through a couple of decades of research and development
of decades of research and development
of decades of research and development I had a chance to reflect on zero some
I had a chance to reflect on zero some
I had a chance to reflect on zero some of us over time
of us over time
of us over time there’s a lot that I wanted to share the
there’s a lot that I wanted to share the
there’s a lot that I wanted to share the modest that it seems to me that whether
modest that it seems to me that whether
modest that it seems to me that whether we are working and developmental
we are working and developmental
we are working and developmental volunteering and development or whether
volunteering and development or whether
volunteering and development or whether we are trying to bring around the future
we are trying to bring around the future
we are trying to bring around the future that we want through who we are and what
that we want through who we are and what
that we want through who we are and what we do and our families who we are and
we do and our families who we are and
we do and our families who we are and what we do in our schools in our
what we do in our schools in our
what we do in our schools in our communities it seems to me that it is
communities it seems to me that it is
communities it seems to me that it is very much worth it to surface and to
very much worth it to surface and to
very much worth it to surface and to question the assumptions that are all
question the assumptions that are all
question the assumptions that are all around us and that the assumptions that
around us and that the assumptions that
around us and that the assumptions that guide what we do and how to approach
guide what we do and how to approach
guide what we do and how to approach these big challenges when we arrive that
these big challenges when we arrive that
these big challenges when we arrive that thought to zero so miss and we think
thought to zero so miss and we think
thought to zero so miss and we think about equity and equality and getting to
about equity and equality and getting to
about equity and equality and getting to a future all the signals are there that
a future all the signals are there that
a future all the signals are there that it’s time to move beyond thinking in
it’s time to move beyond thinking in
it’s time to move beyond thinking in terms of zero-sum doing so moving beyond
terms of zero-sum doing so moving beyond
terms of zero-sum doing so moving beyond zero some will give us an opportunity
zero some will give us an opportunity
zero some will give us an opportunity and that opportunity is opposed probably
and that opportunity is opposed probably
and that opportunity is opposed probably a future creation process that is not
a future creation process that is not
a future creation process that is not about one group any group of men women
about one group any group of men women
about one group any group of men women any group needed to lose so that another
any group needed to lose so that another
any group needed to lose so that another group can win it’s an opportunity to
group can win it’s an opportunity to
group can win it’s an opportunity to make getting to the future you want a
make getting to the future you want a
make getting to the future you want a learning process in which we are seeking
learning process in which we are seeking
learning process in which we are seeking out and are choosing the pathways and
out and are choosing the pathways and
out and are choosing the pathways and possibilities you literally can all win
possibilities you literally can all win
possibilities you literally can all win together
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