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Facing History: Lessons from Nagasaki | Susan Southard | TEDxSandhillsCommunityCollege


it’s wonderful to be here with you today

it’s wonderful to be here with you today to explore the experiences of the

to explore the experiences of the

to explore the experiences of the Nagasaki a survivor’s of the Nagasaki

Nagasaki a survivor’s of the Nagasaki

Nagasaki a survivor’s of the Nagasaki atomic bombing and the importance of

atomic bombing and the importance of

atomic bombing and the importance of their stories to our lives today

their stories to our lives today

their stories to our lives today my experience with Nagasaki goes back a

my experience with Nagasaki goes back a

my experience with Nagasaki goes back a long way when I was 16 I spent a year in

long way when I was 16 I spent a year in

long way when I was 16 I spent a year in Japan as an international exchange

Japan as an international exchange

Japan as an international exchange student living with a Japanese host

student living with a Japanese host

student living with a Japanese host family and attending a very strict

family and attending a very strict

family and attending a very strict Japanese girls high school as part of my

Japanese girls high school as part of my

Japanese girls high school as part of my time there I was invited by the senior

time there I was invited by the senior

time there I was invited by the senior class of my school 350 girls to join

class of my school 350 girls to join

class of my school 350 girls to join them on their annual week-long field

them on their annual week-long field

them on their annual week-long field trip that year it was to Japan

trip that year it was to Japan

trip that year it was to Japan southernmost island of Kyushu so on that

southernmost island of Kyushu so on that

southernmost island of Kyushu so on that trip one day I found myself at the

trip one day I found myself at the

trip one day I found myself at the original Nagasaki atomic bomb Museum on

original Nagasaki atomic bomb Museum on

original Nagasaki atomic bomb Museum on the fifth floor of Nagasaki cultural

the fifth floor of Nagasaki cultural

the fifth floor of Nagasaki cultural hall just steps up the hill from the

hall just steps up the hill from the

hall just steps up the hill from the atomic bomb hypocenter

atomic bomb hypocenter

atomic bomb hypocenter and there I stood arm in arm with my

and there I stood arm in arm with my

and there I stood arm in arm with my Japanese friends staring into glass

Japanese friends staring into glass

Japanese friends staring into glass cases with photographs and artifacts

cases with photographs and artifacts

cases with photographs and artifacts that showed unimaginable destruction

that showed unimaginable destruction

that showed unimaginable destruction physical injury whole body burns and the

physical injury whole body burns and the

physical injury whole body burns and the effects of radiation to people’s bodies

effects of radiation to people’s bodies

effects of radiation to people’s bodies I was terrified and that experience made

I was terrified and that experience made

I was terrified and that experience made a lasting impression

a lasting impression

a lasting impression fast forward to 1986 I was living in

fast forward to 1986 I was living in

fast forward to 1986 I was living in Washington DC and I went to here Anagha

Washington DC and I went to here Anagha

Washington DC and I went to here Anagha sake survivor speak his name is tani

sake survivor speak his name is tani

sake survivor speak his name is tani gucci Sumatera Taniguchi being his last

gucci Sumatera Taniguchi being his last

gucci Sumatera Taniguchi being his last name Taniguchi was 16 at the time of the

name Taniguchi was 16 at the time of the

name Taniguchi was 16 at the time of the bombing and I met him 41 years later

bombing and I met him 41 years later

bombing and I met him 41 years later when he was 57 standing before us his

when he was 57 standing before us his

when he was 57 standing before us his scars were hidden from public view and

scars were hidden from public view and

scars were hidden from public view and in a hushed voice he told us his story

in a hushed voice he told us his story

in a hushed voice he told us his story of horrendous suffering and lifelong

of horrendous suffering and lifelong

of horrendous suffering and lifelong injury

injury

injury ending with a quiet plea let there be no

ending with a quiet plea let there be no

ending with a quiet plea let there be no more Nagasaki and then by an unexpected

more Nagasaki and then by an unexpected

more Nagasaki and then by an unexpected series of events I became mr. Tony

series of events I became mr. Tony

series of events I became mr. Tony Gucci’s interpreter for the last two

Gucci’s interpreter for the last two

Gucci’s interpreter for the last two days of his time in DC this gave me a

days of his time in DC this gave me a

days of his time in DC this gave me a unique opportunity to spend a lot more

unique opportunity to spend a lot more

unique opportunity to spend a lot more time within many hours between and after

time within many hours between and after

time within many hours between and after his presentations so I heard his story

his presentations so I heard his story

his presentations so I heard his story in far more detail and was able to ask

in far more detail and was able to ask

in far more detail and was able to ask questions of him that I would have never

questions of him that I would have never

questions of him that I would have never been able to ask otherwise by the time I

been able to ask otherwise by the time I

been able to ask otherwise by the time I saw him off at the airport I had been

saw him off at the airport I had been

saw him off at the airport I had been more deeply and more personally impacted

more deeply and more personally impacted

more deeply and more personally impacted by the atomic bombing of Nagasaki and I

by the atomic bombing of Nagasaki and I

by the atomic bombing of Nagasaki and I wanted to know more so I went to

wanted to know more so I went to

wanted to know more so I went to Nagasaki the following year and I met

Nagasaki the following year and I met

Nagasaki the following year and I met with mr. Tony guchi and other survivors

with mr. Tony guchi and other survivors

with mr. Tony guchi and other survivors and learned more about their lives they

and learned more about their lives they

and learned more about their lives they are known as he boxA atomic bomb

are known as he boxA atomic bomb

are known as he boxA atomic bomb affected people back in the United

affected people back in the United

affected people back in the United States for 16 years I thought about them

States for 16 years I thought about them

States for 16 years I thought about them often wondering how it would be for them

often wondering how it would be for them

often wondering how it would be for them as they grew older to look back on their

as they grew older to look back on their

as they grew older to look back on their lives split in two by nuclear war

lives split in two by nuclear war

lives split in two by nuclear war finally in 2003 I decided to try to

finally in 2003 I decided to try to

finally in 2003 I decided to try to answer that question and I spent 12

answer that question and I spent 12

answer that question and I spent 12 years travelling to Nagasaki

years travelling to Nagasaki

years travelling to Nagasaki interviewing survivors and atomic bomb

interviewing survivors and atomic bomb

interviewing survivors and atomic bomb specialists conducting research and

specialists conducting research and

specialists conducting research and writing my book Nagasaki life after

writing my book Nagasaki life after

writing my book Nagasaki life after nuclear war it tells the story of mr.

nuclear war it tells the story of mr.

nuclear war it tells the story of mr. Taniguchi and four other survivors and

Taniguchi and four other survivors and

Taniguchi and four other survivors and the profound and enduring impact of

the profound and enduring impact of

the profound and enduring impact of nuclear war on them and the people of

nuclear war on them and the people of

nuclear war on them and the people of their city over 70 years it was over

their city over 70 years it was over

their city over 70 years it was over those 12 years of working on the book

those 12 years of working on the book

those 12 years of working on the book that I came to understand that the

that I came to understand that the

that I came to understand that the survivors stories hold value and deep

survivors stories hold value and deep

survivors stories hold value and deep meaning for all of us for many people

meaning for all of us for many people

meaning for all of us for many people across the world the historical image

across the world the historical image

across the world the historical image of the atomic bombings of Japan is a

of the atomic bombings of Japan is a

of the atomic bombings of Japan is a mushroom cloud rising high over the city

mushroom cloud rising high over the city

mushroom cloud rising high over the city of Hiroshima or Nagasaki an image that

of Hiroshima or Nagasaki an image that

of Hiroshima or Nagasaki an image that doesn’t capture the other half of the

doesn’t capture the other half of the

doesn’t capture the other half of the story what happened to the people in

story what happened to the people in

story what happened to the people in those two cities beneath the atomic

those two cities beneath the atomic

those two cities beneath the atomic clouds but for Hibakusha excuse me for

clouds but for Hibakusha excuse me for

clouds but for Hibakusha excuse me for us the bombings are seen as abstract

us the bombings are seen as abstract

us the bombings are seen as abstract events of the past military actions that

events of the past military actions that

events of the past military actions that ended the Pacific War but for he boxa

ended the Pacific War but for he boxa

ended the Pacific War but for he boxa there is nothing abstract about nuclear

there is nothing abstract about nuclear

there is nothing abstract about nuclear war and for many the war has never ended

war and for many the war has never ended

war and for many the war has never ended in Nagasaki it was August 9th 1945

in Nagasaki it was August 9th 1945

in Nagasaki it was August 9th 1945 Nagasaki is a port city built around a

Nagasaki is a port city built around a

Nagasaki is a port city built around a long narrow bay with lush green hills

long narrow bay with lush green hills

long narrow bay with lush green hills surrounding it on three sides in 1945

surrounding it on three sides in 1945

surrounding it on three sides in 1945 the population of the city was 240,000

the population of the city was 240,000

the population of the city was 240,000 people to give you a sense of what life

people to give you a sense of what life

people to give you a sense of what life was like there during the war on that

was like there during the war on that

was like there during the war on that hot summer morning men women and

hot summer morning men women and

hot summer morning men women and children across the city were digging

children across the city were digging

children across the city were digging cave-like air-raid shelters into the

cave-like air-raid shelters into the

cave-like air-raid shelters into the hillsides hanging laundry lining up in

hillsides hanging laundry lining up in

hillsides hanging laundry lining up in rash at ration stations or scouring the

rash at ration stations or scouring the

rash at ration stations or scouring the hills for weeds to boil into soup for

hills for weeds to boil into soup for

hills for weeds to boil into soup for their families suddenly at 11:02 a.m. a

their families suddenly at 11:02 a.m. a

their families suddenly at 11:02 a.m. a super brilliant flash lit up the sky

super brilliant flash lit up the sky

super brilliant flash lit up the sky followed by a thunderous explosion equal

followed by a thunderous explosion equal

followed by a thunderous explosion equal to the power of 21,000 tons of TNT the

to the power of 21,000 tons of TNT the

to the power of 21,000 tons of TNT the blast force of that single bomb

blast force of that single bomb

blast force of that single bomb pulverized homes schools offices and

pulverized homes schools offices and

pulverized homes schools offices and hospitals for miles and caused people’s

hospitals for miles and caused people’s

hospitals for miles and caused people’s eyes to pop out of their sockets

eyes to pop out of their sockets

eyes to pop out of their sockets the heat released by the bomb reached

the heat released by the bomb reached

the heat released by the bomb reached hundreds of thousands degrees Fahrenheit

hundreds of thousands degrees Fahrenheit

hundreds of thousands degrees Fahrenheit Fahrenheit carbonizing the bodies of

Fahrenheit carbonizing the bodies of

Fahrenheit carbonizing the bodies of people and animals directly beneath the

people and animals directly beneath the

people and animals directly beneath the bomb melting iron steel and human skin

bomb melting iron steel and human skin

bomb melting iron steel and human skin causing massive fires to break out

causing massive fires to break out

causing massive fires to break out the city burning thousands more alive

the city burning thousands more alive

the city burning thousands more alive and though no one knew it yet larger

and though no one knew it yet larger

and though no one knew it yet larger doses of radiation than any human had

doses of radiation than any human had

doses of radiation than any human had ever experienced had penetrated their

ever experienced had penetrated their

ever experienced had penetrated their bodies the casualty count at the end of

bodies the casualty count at the end of

bodies the casualty count at the end of 1945 seventy four thousand people dead

1945 seventy four thousand people dead

1945 seventy four thousand people dead seventy five thousand more injured and

seventy five thousand more injured and

seventy five thousand more injured and irradiated sixteen-year-old tani Gucci

irradiated sixteen-year-old tani Gucci

irradiated sixteen-year-old tani Gucci was on his bicycle delivering mail in

was on his bicycle delivering mail in

was on his bicycle delivering mail in the hills of the northwest corner of the

the hills of the northwest corner of the

the hills of the northwest corner of the city just about a mile from the

city just about a mile from the

city just about a mile from the hypocenter a split second after the bomb

hypocenter a split second after the bomb

hypocenter a split second after the bomb detonated the tremendous force and

detonated the tremendous force and

detonated the tremendous force and searing heat of the blast rushed at him

searing heat of the blast rushed at him

searing heat of the blast rushed at him from behind blew him off his bicycle and

from behind blew him off his bicycle and

from behind blew him off his bicycle and slammed him face down onto the road

slammed him face down onto the road

slammed him face down onto the road still conscious

still conscious

still conscious taani Gucci looked up just enough to see

taani Gucci looked up just enough to see

taani Gucci looked up just enough to see a young child swept away like a fleck of

a young child swept away like a fleck of

a young child swept away like a fleck of dust his entire back was burned off

dust his entire back was burned off

dust his entire back was burned off taani Gucci should not have survived but

taani Gucci should not have survived but

taani Gucci should not have survived but he did lying face down fading in and out

he did lying face down fading in and out

he did lying face down fading in and out of consciousness for two days and two

of consciousness for two days and two

of consciousness for two days and two nights before his grandfather found him

nights before his grandfather found him

nights before his grandfather found him and over the next three months he was

and over the next three months he was

and over the next three months he was taken from one release station to the

taken from one release station to the

taken from one release station to the next in atomic ruins and outside the

next in atomic ruins and outside the

next in atomic ruins and outside the city but because there were no

city but because there were no

city but because there were no medications available the whole body the

medications available the whole body the

medications available the whole body the whole the burns that covered his back

whole the burns that covered his back

whole the burns that covered his back were treated with a mixture of machine

were treated with a mixture of machine

were treated with a mixture of machine oil and newspaper ashes in November 1945

oil and newspaper ashes in November 1945

oil and newspaper ashes in November 1945 he was finally taken to a Naval Hospital

he was finally taken to a Naval Hospital

he was finally taken to a Naval Hospital 22 miles north of the city and there he

22 miles north of the city and there he

22 miles north of the city and there he continued to lie face down for three

continued to lie face down for three

continued to lie face down for three years and four months his chest covered

years and four months his chest covered

years and four months his chest covered with bed stores bed sores creating holes

with bed stores bed sores creating holes

with bed stores bed sores creating holes so deep the doctors could see his

so deep the doctors could see his

so deep the doctors could see his beating heart every day he begged his

beating heart every day he begged his

beating heart every day he begged his nurses to let him die but to the

nurses to let him die but to the

nurses to let him die but to the disbelief of his medical staff

disbelief of his medical staff

disbelief of his medical staff he was eventually able to move his legs

he was eventually able to move his legs

he was eventually able to move his legs then sit then stand and finally walk but

then sit then stand and finally walk but

then sit then stand and finally walk but for the rest of his life taniguchi’s

for the rest of his life taniguchi’s

for the rest of his life taniguchi’s back has been covered with thick scar

back has been covered with thick scar

back has been covered with thick scar tissue and he has lived in constant pain

now back in Nagasaki within a few weeks

now back in Nagasaki within a few weeks of the bombing people had begun

of the bombing people had begun

of the bombing people had begun experiencing mysterious symptoms

experiencing mysterious symptoms

experiencing mysterious symptoms vomiting fevers dizziness bleeding gums

vomiting fevers dizziness bleeding gums

vomiting fevers dizziness bleeding gums and hair loss purple spots appeared all

and hair loss purple spots appeared all

and hair loss purple spots appeared all over their bodies many died in

over their bodies many died in

over their bodies many died in excruciating pain within a week of the

excruciating pain within a week of the

excruciating pain within a week of the the appearance of their first symptoms

the appearance of their first symptoms

the appearance of their first symptoms fear gripped the city no one knowing

fear gripped the city no one knowing

fear gripped the city no one knowing from one day to the next when their time

from one day to the next when their time

from one day to the next when their time would come from the grounds of his

would come from the grounds of his

would come from the grounds of his burned-out Hospital on a hill

burned-out Hospital on a hill

burned-out Hospital on a hill overlooking the atomic ruins one young

overlooking the atomic ruins one young

overlooking the atomic ruins one young doctor observed that the first people

doctor observed that the first people

doctor observed that the first people dying were those exposed were those

dying were those exposed were those

dying were those exposed were those closest to the hypocenter because they

closest to the hypocenter because they

closest to the hypocenter because they were exposed to the largest doses of

were exposed to the largest doses of

were exposed to the largest doses of radiation and as days and weeks passed

radiation and as days and weeks passed

radiation and as days and weeks passed people died in relative order according

people died in relative order according

people died in relative order according to their distance from the atomic blast

to their distance from the atomic blast

to their distance from the atomic blast the doctor called this phenomenon the

the doctor called this phenomenon the

the doctor called this phenomenon the concentric circles of death but the

concentric circles of death but the

concentric circles of death but the radiation effects didn’t stop there

radiation effects didn’t stop there

radiation effects didn’t stop there pregnant women whose fetuses had been

pregnant women whose fetuses had been

pregnant women whose fetuses had been exposed in utero suffered spontaneous

exposed in utero suffered spontaneous

exposed in utero suffered spontaneous abortions still births and infant deaths

abortions still births and infant deaths

abortions still births and infant deaths and many babies who survived birth

and many babies who survived birth

and many babies who survived birth developed physical and dependend mental

developed physical and dependend mental

developed physical and dependend mental disabilities people with visible scars

disabilities people with visible scars

disabilities people with visible scars and long-term hair loss stayed hidden in

and long-term hair loss stayed hidden in

and long-term hair loss stayed hidden in their homes for years afraid to be seen

their homes for years afraid to be seen

their homes for years afraid to be seen in public and then in 1955 years after

in public and then in 1955 years after

in public and then in 1955 years after the bombing leukemia and other cancer

the bombing leukemia and other cancer

the bombing leukemia and other cancer rates spiked killing countless more

rates spiked killing countless more

rates spiked killing countless more ibaka initiating a cycle of surging

ibaka initiating a cycle of surging

ibaka initiating a cycle of surging cancer rates that would last for decades

cancer rates that would last for decades

cancer rates that would last for decades parents exposed to radiation feared not

parents exposed to radiation feared not

parents exposed to radiation feared not only

only

only for their own lives but for their

for their own lives but for their

for their own lives but for their children’s both those exposed to

children’s both those exposed to

children’s both those exposed to radiation at the time of the bombing and

radiation at the time of the bombing and

radiation at the time of the bombing and those born even long after because of

those born even long after because of

those born even long after because of potential genetic effects from their

potential genetic effects from their

potential genetic effects from their parents exposure and because of this

parents exposure and because of this

parents exposure and because of this parents hovered over their children

parents hovered over their children

parents hovered over their children afraid that a simple cold or a

afraid that a simple cold or a

afraid that a simple cold or a stomachache might lead to severe illness

stomachache might lead to severe illness

stomachache might lead to severe illness or death adult haibach Shah experienced

or death adult haibach Shah experienced

or death adult haibach Shah experienced job and marriage discrimination from

job and marriage discrimination from

job and marriage discrimination from employers and potential marriage

employers and potential marriage

employers and potential marriage partners who rejected them because of

partners who rejected them because of

partners who rejected them because of their long term health prospects so many

their long term health prospects so many

their long term health prospects so many haibach Shah even those with with

haibach Shah even those with with

haibach Shah even those with with physical scars and those without tried

physical scars and those without tried

physical scars and those without tried their best to hide their identity as

their best to hide their identity as

their best to hide their identity as survivors sometimes even from their

survivors sometimes even from their

survivors sometimes even from their children and their spouses and in this

children and their spouses and in this

children and their spouses and in this atmosphere of secrecy they did their

atmosphere of secrecy they did their

atmosphere of secrecy they did their best to redefine normalcy in the

best to redefine normalcy in the

best to redefine normalcy in the aftermath of nuclear war even today

aftermath of nuclear war even today

aftermath of nuclear war even today radiation scientists are actively

radiation scientists are actively

radiation scientists are actively studying 2nd and 3rd generation ibaka

studying 2nd and 3rd generation ibaka

studying 2nd and 3rd generation ibaka for genetic effects potentially passed

for genetic effects potentially passed

for genetic effects potentially passed to them from their parents and

to them from their parents and

to them from their parents and grandparents reminding us how much we

grandparents reminding us how much we

grandparents reminding us how much we still do not know about the insidious

still do not know about the insidious

still do not know about the insidious nature of radiation exposure to the

nature of radiation exposure to the

nature of radiation exposure to the human body so why does all this matter

human body so why does all this matter

human body so why does all this matter 71 years later what can survivors of

71 years later what can survivors of

71 years later what can survivors of Nagasaki and Hiroshima teach us about

Nagasaki and Hiroshima teach us about

Nagasaki and Hiroshima teach us about our lives today it matters because

our lives today it matters because

our lives today it matters because 15,000 nuclear weapons exist in the

15,000 nuclear weapons exist in the

15,000 nuclear weapons exist in the world today more than 4,000 actively

world today more than 4,000 actively

world today more than 4,000 actively deployed across the globe far more

deployed across the globe far more

deployed across the globe far more powerful than those used on Hiroshima

powerful than those used on Hiroshima

powerful than those used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki waiting and ready for use

and Nagasaki waiting and ready for use

and Nagasaki waiting and ready for use upon command whether by intentional

upon command whether by intentional

upon command whether by intentional military use a nuclear accident or an

military use a nuclear accident or an

military use a nuclear accident or an act of terrorism today we face an

act of terrorism today we face an

act of terrorism today we face an extremely high risk for far worse

extremely high risk for far worse

extremely high risk for far worse humanik

humanik

humanik carrion and environmental disasters than

carrion and environmental disasters than

carrion and environmental disasters than Hiroshima and Nagasaki the survivors

Hiroshima and Nagasaki the survivors

Hiroshima and Nagasaki the survivors stories matter because as long as these

stories matter because as long as these

stories matter because as long as these weapons exist we must imagine and

weapons exist we must imagine and

weapons exist we must imagine and understand what nuclear war really means

understand what nuclear war really means

understand what nuclear war really means and he Borgia are the only people in

and he Borgia are the only people in

and he Borgia are the only people in history who can tell us firsthand what

history who can tell us firsthand what

history who can tell us firsthand what these weapons can do their stories

these weapons can do their stories

these weapons can do their stories matter because the American narrative of

matter because the American narrative of

matter because the American narrative of the bombings that they ended the war and

the bombings that they ended the war and

the bombings that they ended the war and saved countless American lives is at

saved countless American lives is at

saved countless American lives is at best overly simplistic allowing us for

best overly simplistic allowing us for

best overly simplistic allowing us for 71 years to obscure and deny the other

71 years to obscure and deny the other

71 years to obscure and deny the other half of the story how can we make sound

half of the story how can we make sound

half of the story how can we make sound decisions about our future if we don’t

decisions about our future if we don’t

decisions about our future if we don’t examine and understand the full

examine and understand the full

examine and understand the full consequences of our past actions their

consequences of our past actions their

consequences of our past actions their stories matter because we build

stories matter because we build

stories matter because we build thousands of nuclear weapons as a

thousands of nuclear weapons as a

thousands of nuclear weapons as a deterrent to nuclear war in irony not

deterrent to nuclear war in irony not

deterrent to nuclear war in irony not lost on hibachi ah mr. Taniguchi is now

lost on hibachi ah mr. Taniguchi is now

lost on hibachi ah mr. Taniguchi is now 88 and he’s weak worn out from the

88 and he’s weak worn out from the

88 and he’s weak worn out from the physical pain he’s endured each day

physical pain he’s endured each day

physical pain he’s endured each day since the bombing but he becomes quietly

since the bombing but he becomes quietly

since the bombing but he becomes quietly enraged when he hears arguments that

enraged when he hears arguments that

enraged when he hears arguments that nuclear weapons are instruments of peace

nuclear weapons are instruments of peace

nuclear weapons are instruments of peace for him there is only one meaning for

for him there is only one meaning for

for him there is only one meaning for the word peace and it does not include

the word peace and it does not include

the word peace and it does not include nuclear weapons the atomic bomb

nuclear weapons the atomic bomb

nuclear weapons the atomic bomb he says quietly is a destroyer of peace

he says quietly is a destroyer of peace

he says quietly is a destroyer of peace for all of these reasons taniguchi’s and

for all of these reasons taniguchi’s and

for all of these reasons taniguchi’s and all the survivors stories urgently

all the survivors stories urgently

all the survivors stories urgently matter because they invite us to

matter because they invite us to

matter because they invite us to understand how fiercely we must imagine

understand how fiercely we must imagine

understand how fiercely we must imagine and manifest peace peace without nuclear

and manifest peace peace without nuclear

and manifest peace peace without nuclear weapons

weapons

weapons he Borgia had faced this history now so

he Borgia had faced this history now so

he Borgia had faced this history now so must we because not only they but we too

must we because not only they but we too

must we because not only they but we too want to ensure that Nagasaki

want to ensure that Nagasaki

want to ensure that Nagasaki is the last atomic bombs city in history

is the last atomic bombs city in history

is the last atomic bombs city in history thank you

thank you

thank you [Applause]

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