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Eradicating Tuberculosis | Andreas Kupz | TEDxJCUCairns


so let me start by asking you a question

so let me start by asking you a question can anyone here read that sign on the

can anyone here read that sign on the

can anyone here read that sign on the slide if you can’t I guess most of you

slide if you can’t I guess most of you

slide if you can’t I guess most of you probably think it has something to do

probably think it has something to do

probably think it has something to do with cows or his children so let me tell

with cows or his children so let me tell

with cows or his children so let me tell you story the story behind this sign so

you story the story behind this sign so

you story the story behind this sign so I’m that little boy in the middle and

I’m that little boy in the middle and

I’m that little boy in the middle and and I grew up in East Germany and when I

and I grew up in East Germany and when I

and I grew up in East Germany and when I grew up I walked past this sign almost

grew up I walked past this sign almost

grew up I walked past this sign almost every day because it was attached to a

every day because it was attached to a

every day because it was attached to a door on my family’s farm where we kept

door on my family’s farm where we kept

door on my family’s farm where we kept our cows it essentially translates to

our cows it essentially translates to

our cows it essentially translates to certified tuberculosis free cattle you

certified tuberculosis free cattle you

certified tuberculosis free cattle you know being a little boy I didn’t think

know being a little boy I didn’t think

know being a little boy I didn’t think much of all at all I only knew from my

much of all at all I only knew from my

much of all at all I only knew from my grandfather that tuberculosis is a

grandfather that tuberculosis is a

grandfather that tuberculosis is a disease that can make house very sick

disease that can make house very sick

disease that can make house very sick but apart from this you know as being a

but apart from this you know as being a

but apart from this you know as being a little boy I didn’t I didn’t care much

little boy I didn’t I didn’t care much

little boy I didn’t I didn’t care much about it

about it

about it so now fast-forward 30 odd years and I’m

so now fast-forward 30 odd years and I’m

so now fast-forward 30 odd years and I’m standing here giving a presentation

standing here giving a presentation

standing here giving a presentation about eradicating tuberculosis so why is

about eradicating tuberculosis so why is

about eradicating tuberculosis so why is that obviously you know a lot of things

that obviously you know a lot of things

that obviously you know a lot of things change in 30 years not just the way I

change in 30 years not just the way I

change in 30 years not just the way I dress but also I’m now a trained

dress but also I’m now a trained

dress but also I’m now a trained microbiologist and I specialize in

microbiologist and I specialize in

microbiologist and I specialize in infectious disease research and

infectious disease research and

infectious disease research and particularly on tuberculosis so

particularly on tuberculosis so

particularly on tuberculosis so obviously I now know a lot more and I

obviously I now know a lot more and I

obviously I now know a lot more and I know that TB how tuberculosis is also

know that TB how tuberculosis is also

know that TB how tuberculosis is also known doesn’t just affect cows it

known doesn’t just affect cows it

known doesn’t just affect cows it actually a major problem in the world so

actually a major problem in the world so

actually a major problem in the world so let me start by giving you some facts so

let me start by giving you some facts so

let me start by giving you some facts so TB as I said tuberculosis also known is

TB as I said tuberculosis also known is

TB as I said tuberculosis also known is the biggest killer amongst all

the biggest killer amongst all

the biggest killer amongst all infectious diseases on that planet over

infectious diseases on that planet over

infectious diseases on that planet over the last 200 years it is estimated that

the last 200 years it is estimated that

the last 200 years it is estimated that TB has killed about 1 billion people so

TB has killed about 1 billion people so

TB has killed about 1 billion people so this is more than malaria plague

this is more than malaria plague

this is more than malaria plague smallpox influenza HIV cholera combined

smallpox influenza HIV cholera combined

smallpox influenza HIV cholera combined that’s all diseases you may have heard

that’s all diseases you may have heard

that’s all diseases you may have heard about

about

about but what about closer to you know 2017

but what about closer to you know 2017

but what about closer to you know 2017 so the latest data we’ve got is from

so the latest data we’ve got is from

so the latest data we’ve got is from 2015 and even two years ago there was

2015 and even two years ago there was

2015 and even two years ago there was still one point eight million people

still one point eight million people

still one point eight million people dying from tuberculosis more than ten

dying from tuberculosis more than ten

dying from tuberculosis more than ten million cases and so why is this just to

million cases and so why is this just to

million cases and so why is this just to put into context the recent Ebola

put into context the recent Ebola

put into context the recent Ebola outbreak in western Africa killed about

outbreak in western Africa killed about

outbreak in western Africa killed about eleven to twelve thousand people this is

eleven to twelve thousand people this is

eleven to twelve thousand people this is about tuberculosis kills more in two

about tuberculosis kills more in two

about tuberculosis kills more in two days every day every year but not too

days every day every year but not too

days every day every year but not too many people know about it why is this TB

many people know about it why is this TB

many people know about it why is this TB is a lung disease it’s caused by a

is a lung disease it’s caused by a

is a lung disease it’s caused by a bacterium called microbiome tuberculosis

bacterium called microbiome tuberculosis

bacterium called microbiome tuberculosis and it really affects mainly to poor

and it really affects mainly to poor

and it really affects mainly to poor people on the planet because it’s a

people on the planet because it’s a

people on the planet because it’s a disease of overcrowding and poor hygiene

disease of overcrowding and poor hygiene

disease of overcrowding and poor hygiene and it all starts when an infected

and it all starts when an infected

and it all starts when an infected patient that has active tuberculosis

patient that has active tuberculosis

patient that has active tuberculosis coughs up the bacteria and they can

coughs up the bacteria and they can

coughs up the bacteria and they can infect others around them and we know

infect others around them and we know

infect others around them and we know that about two billion people in other

that about two billion people in other

that about two billion people in other words about a third of the world’s

words about a third of the world’s

words about a third of the world’s population is infected with tuberculosis

population is infected with tuberculosis

population is infected with tuberculosis luckily only 1.8 million people of those

luckily only 1.8 million people of those

luckily only 1.8 million people of those died but it’s still why too many so I

died but it’s still why too many so I

died but it’s still why too many so I said that TB is a disease of the poor

said that TB is a disease of the poor

said that TB is a disease of the poor people on the planet and you can see

people on the planet and you can see

people on the planet and you can see here on the world map that it really

here on the world map that it really

here on the world map that it really affects mainly developing countries in

affects mainly developing countries in

affects mainly developing countries in sub-saharan Africa Asia Eastern Europe

sub-saharan Africa Asia Eastern Europe

sub-saharan Africa Asia Eastern Europe and also South America and unfortunately

and also South America and unfortunately

and also South America and unfortunately these are the same regions of the world

these are the same regions of the world

these are the same regions of the world where other infectious diseases such as

where other infectious diseases such as

where other infectious diseases such as hiv/aids is very prevalent and we know

hiv/aids is very prevalent and we know

hiv/aids is very prevalent and we know that being infected was both disease at

that being infected was both disease at

that being infected was both disease at the same time is a major risk factor for

the same time is a major risk factor for

the same time is a major risk factor for actually dying when you infected with

actually dying when you infected with

actually dying when you infected with tuberculosis however probably the most

tuberculosis however probably the most

tuberculosis however probably the most the more relevant problem and also more

the more relevant problem and also more

the more relevant problem and also more relevant to people in in the Western

relevant to people in in the Western

relevant to people in in the Western world is that it becomes incredibly

world is that it becomes incredibly

world is that it becomes incredibly harder to treat tuberculosis

harder to treat tuberculosis

harder to treat tuberculosis tuberculosis is a treatable disease if

tuberculosis is a treatable disease if

tuberculosis is a treatable disease if you’ve got it you have to take drugs for

you’ve got it you have to take drugs for

you’ve got it you have to take drugs for about six months and then if you strain

about six months and then if you strain

about six months and then if you strain it in fact you as susceptible to those

it in fact you as susceptible to those

it in fact you as susceptible to those drugs you will be cured however over the

drugs you will be cured however over the

drugs you will be cured however over the last decade or so more and more of those

last decade or so more and more of those

last decade or so more and more of those bacteria have become resistant to the

bacteria have become resistant to the

bacteria have become resistant to the drugs that we use to treat TB and we

drugs that we use to treat TB and we

drugs that we use to treat TB and we call that multi drug-resistant

call that multi drug-resistant

call that multi drug-resistant tuberculosis or MDR TB the slide you can

tuberculosis or MDR TB the slide you can

tuberculosis or MDR TB the slide you can see here you know it’s not a solar

see here you know it’s not a solar

see here you know it’s not a solar system and I don’t really want you to

system and I don’t really want you to

system and I don’t really want you to look at all the details but it’s a very

look at all the details but it’s a very

look at all the details but it’s a very interesting slide from the World Health

interesting slide from the World Health

interesting slide from the World Health Organization that shows us how much it

Organization that shows us how much it

Organization that shows us how much it costs to treat one case of multi

costs to treat one case of multi

costs to treat one case of multi drug-resistant tuberculosis in different

drug-resistant tuberculosis in different

drug-resistant tuberculosis in different countries of the world and without

countries of the world and without

countries of the world and without looking at all the details it really

looking at all the details it really

looking at all the details it really tells us that in many countries it is

tells us that in many countries it is

tells us that in many countries it is more expensive to treat one case of

more expensive to treat one case of

more expensive to treat one case of multi drug-resistant tuberculosis than

multi drug-resistant tuberculosis than

multi drug-resistant tuberculosis than the GDP per capita in that country so

the GDP per capita in that country so

the GDP per capita in that country so it’s an enormous public health issue and

it’s an enormous public health issue and

it’s an enormous public health issue and it’s very very expensive and if you

it’s very very expensive and if you

it’s very very expensive and if you think that MDR TB is far away then think

think that MDR TB is far away then think

think that MDR TB is far away then think twice because here in Far North topical

twice because here in Far North topical

twice because here in Far North topical Queensland we’re only a short boat ride

Queensland we’re only a short boat ride

Queensland we’re only a short boat ride away from one of the most severe

away from one of the most severe

away from one of the most severe outbreaks of multi drug-resistant

outbreaks of multi drug-resistant

outbreaks of multi drug-resistant tuberculosis on the planet on some of

tuberculosis on the planet on some of

tuberculosis on the planet on some of those islands of the coast of Papua New

those islands of the coast of Papua New

those islands of the coast of Papua New Guinea we have such a high incidence of

Guinea we have such a high incidence of

Guinea we have such a high incidence of MDR TB that there is a major problem and

MDR TB that there is a major problem and

MDR TB that there is a major problem and you know that it’s only a short trip

you know that it’s only a short trip

you know that it’s only a short trip from one island to the next from Papua

from one island to the next from Papua

from one island to the next from Papua New Guinea to Australia and from one of

New Guinea to Australia and from one of

New Guinea to Australia and from one of those islands to the mainland and Bucs

those islands to the mainland and Bucs

those islands to the mainland and Bucs don’t respect borders once they’re on

don’t respect borders once they’re on

don’t respect borders once they’re on the mainland they can go anywhere so

the mainland they can go anywhere so

the mainland they can go anywhere so what can we do and this is really where

what can we do and this is really where

what can we do and this is really where scientists like myself come in because

scientists like myself come in because

scientists like myself come in because we know that instead of treating a

we know that instead of treating a

we know that instead of treating a disease we can also prevent it or we can

disease we can also prevent it or we can

disease we can also prevent it or we can even eliminate it and how can we do this

even eliminate it and how can we do this

even eliminate it and how can we do this we know that the only and the best way

we know that the only and the best way

we know that the only and the best way to read acade a disease is vaccination

to read acade a disease is vaccination

to read acade a disease is vaccination because we’ve done it before

because we’ve done it before

because we’ve done it before we have almost eradicated polio which

we have almost eradicated polio which

we have almost eradicated polio which you can see here and we have eradicated

you can see here and we have eradicated

you can see here and we have eradicated smallpox both of these diseases where

smallpox both of these diseases where

smallpox both of these diseases where all are almost eradicated because we

all are almost eradicated because we

all are almost eradicated because we have an effective vaccine that was

have an effective vaccine that was

have an effective vaccine that was rolled out worldwide by the World Health

rolled out worldwide by the World Health

rolled out worldwide by the World Health Organization the WHL Water Association

Organization the WHL Water Association

Organization the WHL Water Association has put out a very ambitious goal to

has put out a very ambitious goal to

has put out a very ambitious goal to eliminate TB by 2050 this is about 35

eliminate TB by 2050 this is about 35

eliminate TB by 2050 this is about 35 years from now the same timeframe utley

years from now the same timeframe utley

years from now the same timeframe utley can see here for polio so we know that

can see here for polio so we know that

can see here for polio so we know that if we will have an effective vaccine it

if we will have an effective vaccine it

if we will have an effective vaccine it is possible to eradicate tuberculosis

is possible to eradicate tuberculosis

is possible to eradicate tuberculosis some of you in the audience may think

some of you in the audience may think

some of you in the audience may think now oh well there’s a vaccine against TB

now oh well there’s a vaccine against TB

now oh well there’s a vaccine against TB I’ve probably got it when I was a child

I’ve probably got it when I was a child

I’ve probably got it when I was a child and yes that’s right there is a vaccine

and yes that’s right there is a vaccine

and yes that’s right there is a vaccine it’s called BCG it was introduced in

it’s called BCG it was introduced in

it’s called BCG it was introduced in 1921 and it’s been given to more than

1921 and it’s been given to more than

1921 and it’s been given to more than four billion people on the planet

four billion people on the planet

four billion people on the planet unfortunately TB doesn’t DCG does not

unfortunately TB doesn’t DCG does not

unfortunately TB doesn’t DCG does not prevent the real lung tuberculosis in

prevent the real lung tuberculosis in

prevent the real lung tuberculosis in adults it has prevented several millions

adults it has prevented several millions

adults it has prevented several millions of kids from dying from childhood

of kids from dying from childhood

of kids from dying from childhood versions of tuberculosis but it will

versions of tuberculosis but it will

versions of tuberculosis but it will never stop the transmission cycle and

never stop the transmission cycle and

never stop the transmission cycle and therefore help us to eliminate a disease

therefore help us to eliminate a disease

therefore help us to eliminate a disease and again this is the point where

and again this is the point where

and again this is the point where scientists like myself and others can

scientists like myself and others can

scientists like myself and others can make a difference

make a difference

make a difference there are about several dozen different

there are about several dozen different

there are about several dozen different research groups on the planet currently

research groups on the planet currently

research groups on the planet currently working to make a better TB vaccine I’m

working to make a better TB vaccine I’m

working to make a better TB vaccine I’m one of them and although this slide may

one of them and although this slide may

one of them and although this slide may look like a bit of a race it is really a

look like a bit of a race it is really a

look like a bit of a race it is really a global effort where we all come together

global effort where we all come together

global effort where we all come together and try to make a difference to come up

and try to make a difference to come up

and try to make a difference to come up with a effective vaccine that works to

with a effective vaccine that works to

with a effective vaccine that works to develop a vaccine is very expensive and

develop a vaccine is very expensive and

develop a vaccine is very expensive and long process it takes at least 20 years

long process it takes at least 20 years

long process it takes at least 20 years to move a vaccine from the preclinical

to move a vaccine from the preclinical

to move a vaccine from the preclinical studies all the way through to a

studies all the way through to a

studies all the way through to a licensed product

licensed product

licensed product you can see here illustrated by those

you can see here illustrated by those

you can see here illustrated by those blue bars that some of those vaccine

blue bars that some of those vaccine

blue bars that some of those vaccine candidates how we call them have already

candidates how we call them have already

candidates how we call them have already progressed to different parts of these

progressed to different parts of these

progressed to different parts of these clinical pipeline some are very close to

clinical pipeline some are very close to

clinical pipeline some are very close to being licensed but unfortunately in very

being licensed but unfortunately in very

being licensed but unfortunately in very recent years it has become apparent that

recent years it has become apparent that

recent years it has become apparent that many of those vaccines are not better

many of those vaccines are not better

many of those vaccines are not better than BCG so there may be an option an

than BCG so there may be an option an

than BCG so there may be an option an alternative to BCG but they’ve warmed

alternative to BCG but they’ve warmed

alternative to BCG but they’ve warmed help us eliminate the disease and that

help us eliminate the disease and that

help us eliminate the disease and that is why we can’t be complacent that we

is why we can’t be complacent that we

is why we can’t be complacent that we have to continue to work on new concepts

have to continue to work on new concepts

have to continue to work on new concepts new methods and new strategies to

new methods and new strategies to

new methods and new strategies to develop a vaccine that actually works

develop a vaccine that actually works

develop a vaccine that actually works the little red arrow on the bottom

the little red arrow on the bottom

the little red arrow on the bottom that’s me my vaccine is still in the

that’s me my vaccine is still in the

that’s me my vaccine is still in the preclinical stages but I’m trying to

preclinical stages but I’m trying to

preclinical stages but I’m trying to work on new concepts that are currently

work on new concepts that are currently

work on new concepts that are currently not used by those Iraq vaccines and this

not used by those Iraq vaccines and this

not used by those Iraq vaccines and this is where the science comes in so I’m

is where the science comes in so I’m

is where the science comes in so I’m trying to keep it as simple as possible

trying to keep it as simple as possible

trying to keep it as simple as possible but there was me so most vaccines target

but there was me so most vaccines target

but there was me so most vaccines target immune cells in your body depicted here

immune cells in your body depicted here

immune cells in your body depicted here by those purple cell when a vaccine is

by those purple cell when a vaccine is

by those purple cell when a vaccine is introduced shown here in red it has

introduced shown here in red it has

introduced shown here in red it has taken up by those cells and then

taken up by those cells and then

taken up by those cells and then presented on the surface of these cells

presented on the surface of these cells

presented on the surface of these cells that’s how we call this and this leads

that’s how we call this and this leads

that’s how we call this and this leads to the attraction of other immune cells

to the attraction of other immune cells

to the attraction of other immune cells and they then lead to protection against

and they then lead to protection against

and they then lead to protection against the disease this is quite common for

the disease this is quite common for

the disease this is quite common for most diseases and most vaccines

most diseases and most vaccines

most diseases and most vaccines unfortunately for the vaccines being

unfortunately for the vaccines being

unfortunately for the vaccines being developed for tuberculosis many of the

developed for tuberculosis many of the

developed for tuberculosis many of the ones that are currently going through

ones that are currently going through

ones that are currently going through this clinical pipeline targeted cell

this clinical pipeline targeted cell

this clinical pipeline targeted cell type that is destroyed by HIV and I’ve

type that is destroyed by HIV and I’ve

type that is destroyed by HIV and I’ve told you earlier that HIV is a major

told you earlier that HIV is a major

told you earlier that HIV is a major risk factor for reactivation of

risk factor for reactivation of

risk factor for reactivation of tuberculosis

tuberculosis

tuberculosis so these vaccines will not work in

so these vaccines will not work in

so these vaccines will not work in particular in the context of HIV in

particular in the context of HIV in

particular in the context of HIV in these countries so I had a different

these countries so I had a different

these countries so I had a different idea I am a microbiologist so I can work

idea I am a microbiologist so I can work

idea I am a microbiologist so I can work on genetically engineered bacteria and

on genetically engineered bacteria and

on genetically engineered bacteria and immunology so what I did

immunology so what I did

immunology so what I did we still introduced a vaccine we still

we still introduced a vaccine we still

we still introduced a vaccine we still target these particular immune cells

target these particular immune cells

target these particular immune cells well what we did is we made a vaccine

well what we did is we made a vaccine

well what we did is we made a vaccine that remains inside the cell and what

that remains inside the cell and what

that remains inside the cell and what that does it leads to the secretion of

that does it leads to the secretion of

that does it leads to the secretion of messenger molecules how we call them and

messenger molecules how we call them and

messenger molecules how we call them and these messenger molecules target

these messenger molecules target

these messenger molecules target particular cell types that can also be

particular cell types that can also be

particular cell types that can also be protective but they do not get destroyed

protective but they do not get destroyed

protective but they do not get destroyed by HIV infection and secondly we are

by HIV infection and secondly we are

by HIV infection and secondly we are also trying to work on a new approach to

also trying to work on a new approach to

also trying to work on a new approach to deliver the vaccine because currently

deliver the vaccine because currently

deliver the vaccine because currently BCG is given as a needle injection and

BCG is given as a needle injection and

BCG is given as a needle injection and believe me not many children will look

believe me not many children will look

believe me not many children will look like this and have just been given so

like this and have just been given so

like this and have just been given so but we also know that a needle based

but we also know that a needle based

but we also know that a needle based vaccination only generates immune cells

vaccination only generates immune cells

vaccination only generates immune cells that are kind of circulating through the

that are kind of circulating through the

that are kind of circulating through the body but not really go to the lung where

body but not really go to the lung where

body but not really go to the lung where they’re needed when a tuberculosis

they’re needed when a tuberculosis

they’re needed when a tuberculosis infection occurs so in our approach

infection occurs so in our approach

infection occurs so in our approach we’re also trying to develop a vaccine

we’re also trying to develop a vaccine

we’re also trying to develop a vaccine that can be administered directly into

that can be administered directly into

that can be administered directly into the lung was a puffer and we know that

the lung was a puffer and we know that

the lung was a puffer and we know that this approach generates a particular

this approach generates a particular

this approach generates a particular type of immune cell that remains in the

type of immune cell that remains in the

type of immune cell that remains in the lung and can act directly when

lung and can act directly when

lung and can act directly when tuberculosis infection occurs and if

tuberculosis infection occurs and if

tuberculosis infection occurs and if this approach will be successful this

this approach will be successful this

this approach will be successful this global effort comes to a conclusion then

global effort comes to a conclusion then

global effort comes to a conclusion then I hope by 2050 when I would be a

I hope by 2050 when I would be a

I hope by 2050 when I would be a grandfather I will be able to tell my

grandfather I will be able to tell my

grandfather I will be able to tell my grandchildren that TB has been

grandchildren that TB has been

grandchildren that TB has been eradicated not just from cows in East

eradicated not just from cows in East

eradicated not just from cows in East Germany but from everyone in the whole

Germany but from everyone in the whole

Germany but from everyone in the whole world thank you

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