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Debt, Inequality, and Law for Capitalists | John Linarelli | TEDxDurhamUniversity


afternoon how are you all today good to

afternoon how are you all today good to be here I’ve never been called a

be here I’ve never been called a

be here I’ve never been called a financial outlaw before but I’m happy to

financial outlaw before but I’m happy to

financial outlaw before but I’m happy to to be called that usually when i talk

to be called that usually when i talk

to be called that usually when i talk about financial things and i know i’m on

about financial things and i know i’m on

about financial things and i know i’m on tape so i should be careful what I say

tape so i should be careful what I say

tape so i should be careful what I say but to my colleagues in law school

but to my colleagues in law school

but to my colleagues in law school they’ll run from the senior common room

they’ll run from the senior common room

they’ll run from the senior common room we start talking about synthetic

we start talking about synthetic

we start talking about synthetic collateralized debt obligations but

collateralized debt obligations but

collateralized debt obligations but we’ll do the best we can today and I

we’ll do the best we can today and I

we’ll do the best we can today and I will stick to retail examples like

will stick to retail examples like

will stick to retail examples like student debt so how many of you how many

student debt so how many of you how many

student debt so how many of you how many of you have debt does anybody have any

of you have debt does anybody have any

of you have debt does anybody have any debt in here come on raise your hand are

debt in here come on raise your hand are

debt in here come on raise your hand are you telling me the people who don’t

you telling me the people who don’t

you telling me the people who don’t raise their hands don’t have been okay

raise their hands don’t have been okay

raise their hands don’t have been okay good mortgages I’m sure you not gonna

good mortgages I’m sure you not gonna

good mortgages I’m sure you not gonna have too many mortgages you will have

have too many mortgages you will have

have too many mortgages you will have mortgages um student debt I’m sure you

mortgages um student debt I’m sure you

mortgages um student debt I’m sure you got student loans right we’re all look I

got student loans right we’re all look I

got student loans right we’re all look I paid off my student loans in my sort of

paid off my student loans in my sort of

paid off my student loans in my sort of mid early 40s I had us student debt okay

mid early 40s I had us student debt okay

mid early 40s I had us student debt okay so anybody have any credit cards for

so anybody have any credit cards for

so anybody have any credit cards for example right could you think that you

example right could you think that you

example right could you think that you could go through life your entire life

could go through life your entire life

could go through life your entire life in our society without debt it’s

in our society without debt it’s

in our society without debt it’s impossible right you can’t live possibly

impossible right you can’t live possibly

impossible right you can’t live possibly live a life in modern societies without

live a life in modern societies without

live a life in modern societies without some form of debt right I mean debt is

some form of debt right I mean debt is

some form of debt right I mean debt is so important to everything that we do i

so important to everything that we do i

so important to everything that we do i mean we actually I what I write about in

mean we actually I what I write about in

mean we actually I what I write about in my paper and some of my work is about

my paper and some of my work is about

my paper and some of my work is about how we need debt actually to lead a

how we need debt actually to lead a

how we need debt actually to lead a decent life we need access to credit

decent life we need access to credit

decent life we need access to credit right to live a decent life in any

right to live a decent life in any

right to live a decent life in any society right now there are two ways to

society right now there are two ways to

society right now there are two ways to understand debt and i think one and both

understand debt and i think one and both

understand debt and i think one and both of these ways work in complementary ways

of these ways work in complementary ways

of these ways work in complementary ways one is the kind of standard way of

one is the kind of standard way of

one is the kind of standard way of thinking about death which i think is a

thinking about death which i think is a

thinking about death which i think is a false way or at least an incomplete way

false way or at least an incomplete way

false way or at least an incomplete way of understanding debt this is thinking

of understanding debt this is thinking

of understanding debt this is thinking of debt as

of debt as

of debt as a tango between two persons right you

a tango between two persons right you

a tango between two persons right you I’m the creditor you’re the borrower

I’m the creditor you’re the borrower

I’m the creditor you’re the borrower right you’re the debtor lender borrower

right you’re the debtor lender borrower

right you’re the debtor lender borrower we have a two person kind of thing going

we have a two person kind of thing going

we have a two person kind of thing going on here we think of it in terms of a

on here we think of it in terms of a

on here we think of it in terms of a matter of contract for all the law

matter of contract for all the law

matter of contract for all the law students in here for perhaps some of the

students in here for perhaps some of the

students in here for perhaps some of the more for some of the philosophical

more for some of the philosophical

more for some of the philosophical students in here we’re studying moral

students in here we’re studying moral

students in here we’re studying moral theory for exam we might think of paying

theory for exam we might think of paying

theory for exam we might think of paying debts as a matter of virtue right but I

debts as a matter of virtue right but I

debts as a matter of virtue right but I think we have to sort of go beyond these

think we have to sort of go beyond these

think we have to sort of go beyond these kinds of concepts of kind of a binary or

kinds of concepts of kind of a binary or

kinds of concepts of kind of a binary or bipolar relationship between people and

bipolar relationship between people and

bipolar relationship between people and think of debt in a different way debt is

think of debt in a different way debt is

think of debt in a different way debt is actually also a tale of many tangos

actually also a tale of many tangos

actually also a tale of many tangos right in a big tango will call society

right in a big tango will call society

right in a big tango will call society right this one big tango we have called

right this one big tango we have called

right this one big tango we have called society we want to make sure all the

society we want to make sure all the

society we want to make sure all the other sort of tangos that we have

other sort of tangos that we have

other sort of tangos that we have individually or between us and very

individually or between us and very

individually or between us and very large financial institutions kind of

large financial institutions kind of

large financial institutions kind of work in that society and are no fair and

work in that society and are no fair and

work in that society and are no fair and sort of sustainable so let me talk about

sort of sustainable so let me talk about

sort of sustainable so let me talk about that so there are actually two parts to

that so there are actually two parts to

that so there are actually two parts to debt it’s a tale of tattoo of a tango

debt it’s a tale of tattoo of a tango

debt it’s a tale of tattoo of a tango between two parties but it’s also a tale

between two parties but it’s also a tale

between two parties but it’s also a tale of many tangos the second thing I want

of many tangos the second thing I want

of many tangos the second thing I want to tell you is that that also is about

to tell you is that that also is about

to tell you is that that also is about to other things one if you look at the

to other things one if you look at the

to other things one if you look at the way financial regulation works for those

way financial regulation works for those

way financial regulation works for those of you who are law students we talk

of you who are law students we talk

of you who are law students we talk about financial law or financial

about financial law or financial

about financial law or financial regulation or the law of debtor creditor

regulation or the law of debtor creditor

regulation or the law of debtor creditor relations whatever you want to call it

relations whatever you want to call it

relations whatever you want to call it the overriding norm fundamental norm

the overriding norm fundamental norm

the overriding norm fundamental norm that exists remember we have that thing

that exists remember we have that thing

that exists remember we have that thing called the financial crisis right where

called the financial crisis right where

called the financial crisis right where everything went crazy right the

everything went crazy right the

everything went crazy right the overriding financial norm after that

overriding financial norm after that

overriding financial norm after that crisis is financial stability we want

crisis is financial stability we want

crisis is financial stability we want the system to be stable right now the

the system to be stable right now the

the system to be stable right now the problem with stability is that stability

problem with stability is that stability

problem with stability is that stability might be just bad for poor people right

might be just bad for poor people right

might be just bad for poor people right that’s the basic problem because

that’s the basic problem because

that’s the basic problem because stability lets us kind of aggregate all

stability lets us kind of aggregate all

stability lets us kind of aggregate all of our interests together and say

of our interests together and say

of our interests together and say overall

overall

overall what we need is stability in society

what we need is stability in society

what we need is stability in society right so we have this overall goal but

right so we have this overall goal but

right so we have this overall goal but how about how that affects each one of

how about how that affects each one of

how about how that affects each one of us each person right because when we

us each person right because when we

us each person right because when we start talking about ourselves from a

start talking about ourselves from a

start talking about ourselves from a moral perspective we want to respect

moral perspective we want to respect

moral perspective we want to respect each single person right and from that

each single person right and from that

each single person right and from that perspective we need to understand debt

perspective we need to understand debt

perspective we need to understand debt from the standpoint of what we call

from the standpoint of what we call

from the standpoint of what we call egalitarian justice right how does it

egalitarian justice right how does it

egalitarian justice right how does it affect me right as in terms of my access

affect me right as in terms of my access

affect me right as in terms of my access to credit giving me access to resources

to credit giving me access to resources

to credit giving me access to resources that I need to live a decent life now

that I need to live a decent life now

that I need to live a decent life now you might say well don’t go into debt

you might say well don’t go into debt

you might say well don’t go into debt then this is your problem right it’s a

then this is your problem right it’s a

then this is your problem right it’s a matter of choice but i think choice we

matter of choice but i think choice we

matter of choice but i think choice we have a false belief about how much

have a false belief about how much

have a false belief about how much choice matters but let’s get started I

choice matters but let’s get started I

choice matters but let’s get started I want to just kind of give you some

want to just kind of give you some

want to just kind of give you some backbones before I get on to the

backbones before I get on to the

backbones before I get on to the question of choice here’s the kind of

question of choice here’s the kind of

question of choice here’s the kind of dilemma we face a dilemma when we talk

dilemma we face a dilemma when we talk

dilemma we face a dilemma when we talk about debt and here’s the dilemma that

about debt and here’s the dilemma that

about debt and here’s the dilemma that we face debt too much debt is we need

we face debt too much debt is we need

we face debt too much debt is we need debt so debt is good for us but we also

debt so debt is good for us but we also

debt so debt is good for us but we also need to avoid debt because it’s bad for

need to avoid debt because it’s bad for

need to avoid debt because it’s bad for us right it presents a classic kind of

us right it presents a classic kind of

us right it presents a classic kind of contradiction right so how do you get

contradiction right so how do you get

contradiction right so how do you get that balance right right so here’s a

that balance right right so here’s a

that balance right right so here’s a kind of classic kind of setup I know you

kind of classic kind of setup I know you

kind of classic kind of setup I know you guys might get bored with I’m sorry Oh

guys might get bored with I’m sorry Oh

guys might get bored with I’m sorry Oh mortgages and everything but think about

mortgages and everything but think about

mortgages and everything but think about how mortgages for a second if you get a

how mortgages for a second if you get a

how mortgages for a second if you get a home mortgage eventually you know when

home mortgage eventually you know when

home mortgage eventually you know when you’re ready that may seem like a lot of

you’re ready that may seem like a lot of

you’re ready that may seem like a lot of money to you it’s not that far away

money to you it’s not that far away

money to you it’s not that far away believe me yeah I’m sure he’ll be fine

believe me yeah I’m sure he’ll be fine

believe me yeah I’m sure he’ll be fine you’ll be getting bigger mortgages and I

you’ll be getting bigger mortgages and I

you’ll be getting bigger mortgages and I will get right let’s say that how the

will get right let’s say that how the

will get right let’s say that how the price of your house you buys sorry I

price of your house you buys sorry I

price of your house you buys sorry I have a bad Los Angeles version of house

have a bad Los Angeles version of house

have a bad Los Angeles version of house prices which influences everything now

prices which influences everything now

prices which influences everything now four hundred thousand pound house right

four hundred thousand pound house right

four hundred thousand pound house right I’m going to buy right here’s the

I’m going to buy right here’s the

I’m going to buy right here’s the dilemma now this is the magic of

dilemma now this is the magic of

dilemma now this is the magic of leverage right leveraged by the way

leverage right leveraged by the way

leverage right leveraged by the way underpins almost everything in financial

underpins almost everything in financial

underpins almost everything in financial markets if you understand leverage you

markets if you understand leverage you

markets if you understand leverage you understand how London and Wall Street

understand how London and Wall Street

understand how London and Wall Street work right say you get a mortgage

work right say you get a mortgage

work right say you get a mortgage 380,000 that means you have wealth we

380,000 that means you have wealth we

380,000 that means you have wealth we call equity of 20 in the house great you

call equity of 20 in the house great you

call equity of 20 in the house great you put down an eighty percent that’s your

put down an eighty percent that’s your

put down an eighty percent that’s your loan-to-value ratio you have an 80%

loan-to-value ratio you have an 80%

loan-to-value ratio you have an 80% mortgage on the house that’s pretty good

mortgage on the house that’s pretty good

mortgage on the house that’s pretty good right suppose the house goes up by five

right suppose the house goes up by five

right suppose the house goes up by five percent in value because houses

percent in value because houses

percent in value because houses fluctuate right and it goes up to 420

fluctuate right and it goes up to 420

fluctuate right and it goes up to 420 your equity has now increased by one

your equity has now increased by one

your equity has now increased by one hundred percent from twenty to forty

hundred percent from twenty to forty

hundred percent from twenty to forty thousand right now you might say well

thousand right now you might say well

thousand right now you might say well what’s that good that this is about

what’s that good that this is about

what’s that good that this is about upward social mobility right people who

upward social mobility right people who

upward social mobility right people who own houses prime private home ownership

own houses prime private home ownership

own houses prime private home ownership in the United places like the United

in the United places like the United

in the United places like the United Kingdom and the United States are

Kingdom and the United States are

Kingdom and the United States are important for household net worth people

important for household net worth people

important for household net worth people that own houses have more net worth than

that own houses have more net worth than

that own houses have more net worth than people that don’t own houses that’s just

people that don’t own houses that’s just

people that don’t own houses that’s just a fact of life I wish it were different

a fact of life I wish it were different

a fact of life I wish it were different but we have to deal with the way society

but we have to deal with the way society

but we have to deal with the way society is right so let’s suppose instead the

is right so let’s suppose instead the

is right so let’s suppose instead the house price went down to 380 that’s down

house price went down to 380 that’s down

house price went down to 380 that’s down by five percent you lost all of your

by five percent you lost all of your

by five percent you lost all of your equity in the house right suppose it

equity in the house right suppose it

equity in the house right suppose it went down by ten percent you are now

went down by ten percent you are now

went down by ten percent you are now under water right now this this what

under water right now this this what

under water right now this this what that means is that you’ve losing money

that means is that you’ve losing money

that means is that you’ve losing money right so this is the miracle of lemon

right so this is the miracle of lemon

right so this is the miracle of lemon the danger of leverage leverage is

the danger of leverage leverage is

the danger of leverage leverage is wonderful on the upside it’s terrible on

wonderful on the upside it’s terrible on

wonderful on the upside it’s terrible on the downside right now let me go through

the downside right now let me go through

the downside right now let me go through some case studies with you about that I

some case studies with you about that I

some case studies with you about that I think you might find interesting about

think you might find interesting about

think you might find interesting about debt what I want to talk about tets law

debt what I want to talk about tets law

debt what I want to talk about tets law versus education credit management

versus education credit management

versus education credit management corporation this was a case in the

corporation this was a case in the

corporation this was a case in the United States from someone in his I

United States from someone in his I

United States from someone in his I think mid-50s marked Heslov who owed

think mid-50s marked Heslov who owed

think mid-50s marked Heslov who owed about two hundred and sixty thousand

about two hundred and sixty thousand

about two hundred and sixty thousand dollars worth of student loan debt and

dollars worth of student loan debt and

dollars worth of student loan debt and he was in his late 50s right he brought

he was in his late 50s right he brought

he was in his late 50s right he brought a case a bankruptcy went bankrupt he

a case a bankruptcy went bankrupt he

a case a bankruptcy went bankrupt he went into personal bankruptcy and he

went into personal bankruptcy and he

went into personal bankruptcy and he tried to get this

tried to get this

tried to get this debt discharged right but US law says

debt discharged right but US law says

debt discharged right but US law says that you cannot discharge or get relief

that you cannot discharge or get relief

that you cannot discharge or get relief from educational debt unless you can

from educational debt unless you can

from educational debt unless you can prove undue hardship he couldn’t prove

prove undue hardship he couldn’t prove

prove undue hardship he couldn’t prove it even though he was unemployed and

it even though he was unemployed and

it even though he was unemployed and living with his 85 year old mother on

living with his 85 year old mother on

living with his 85 year old mother on her pension you cannot prove undue

her pension you cannot prove undue

her pension you cannot prove undue hardship this is a problem with how debt

hardship this is a problem with how debt

hardship this is a problem with how debt can impair your life chances right

can impair your life chances right

can impair your life chances right there’s some other examples we can we

there’s some other examples we can we

there’s some other examples we can we can uncover for example from Spain

can uncover for example from Spain

can uncover for example from Spain during the last financial crisis Spain

during the last financial crisis Spain

during the last financial crisis Spain had a particularly rigid debt system

had a particularly rigid debt system

had a particularly rigid debt system where you are not discharged from

where you are not discharged from

where you are not discharged from mortgages even if you stop paying on

mortgages even if you stop paying on

mortgages even if you stop paying on them and went into bankruptcy or

them and went into bankruptcy or

them and went into bankruptcy or insolvency people paying debts for life

insolvency people paying debts for life

insolvency people paying debts for life look what happened to greece greece is

look what happened to greece greece is

look what happened to greece greece is another great example employment

another great example employment

another great example employment skyrocketing homelessness well there was

skyrocketing homelessness well there was

skyrocketing homelessness well there was one baby manager of a big chain of

one baby manager of a big chain of

one baby manager of a big chain of bakery said in Spain there will be no

bakery said in Spain there will be no

bakery said in Spain there will be no more consumers only Biggers right

more consumers only Biggers right

more consumers only Biggers right serious problems right so that can be

serious problems right so that can be

serious problems right so that can be good or it can be really bad now in each

good or it can be really bad now in each

good or it can be really bad now in each of those examples i’m giving you example

of those examples i’m giving you example

of those examples i’m giving you example of marquette sloth the spanish example

of marquette sloth the spanish example

of marquette sloth the spanish example manalo Marvin was his name who says I

manalo Marvin was his name who says I

manalo Marvin was his name who says I will never own a call even a car for the

will never own a call even a car for the

will never own a call even a car for the rest of my life because I owe the bank

rest of my life because I owe the bank

rest of my life because I owe the bank by Morgan trains a dog groomer in Spain

by Morgan trains a dog groomer in Spain

by Morgan trains a dog groomer in Spain the example from Greece I’m debt can

the example from Greece I’m debt can

the example from Greece I’m debt can have devastating consequences for us

have devastating consequences for us

have devastating consequences for us it’s an important resource in society to

it’s an important resource in society to

it’s an important resource in society to make us better off or it could make us

make us better off or it could make us

make us better off or it could make us worse off so we need to get it right

worse off so we need to get it right

worse off so we need to get it right right now how many of you think we

right now how many of you think we

right now how many of you think we talked about choice being important how

talked about choice being important how

talked about choice being important how many of you think you actually make

many of you think you actually make

many of you think you actually make choices in life actually you make very

choices in life actually you make very

choices in life actually you make very very few things you actually do in life

very few things you actually do in life

very few things you actually do in life have to do with your choices life is a

have to do with your choices life is a

have to do with your choices life is a series of water ease it’s a bunch of

series of water ease it’s a bunch of

series of water ease it’s a bunch of lotteries except it’s not like your

lotteries except it’s not like your

lotteries except it’s not like your usual lottery because you have no choice

usual lottery because you have no choice

usual lottery because you have no choice but to play all right you can’t stop

but to play all right you can’t stop

but to play all right you can’t stop playing the life lottery I love this

playing the life lottery I love this

playing the life lottery I love this quote from Barry Switzer use of

quote from Barry Switzer use of

quote from Barry Switzer use of former University of Oklahoma football

former University of Oklahoma football

former University of Oklahoma football coach and Dallas Coble Cowboys football

coach and Dallas Coble Cowboys football

coach and Dallas Coble Cowboys football coach he said some people are born on

coach he said some people are born on

coach he said some people are born on third base and go through life thinking

third base and go through life thinking

third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple this has been applied

they hit a triple this has been applied

they hit a triple this has been applied to certain people who won presidential

to certain people who won presidential

to certain people who won presidential elections in the United States with some

elections in the United States with some

elections in the United States with some frequency so think about that the birth

frequency so think about that the birth

frequency so think about that the birth lottery where you were born is really

lottery where you were born is really

lottery where you were born is really important about half the variance in

important about half the variance in

important about half the variance in incomes that you earn depend on where

incomes that you earn depend on where

incomes that you earn depend on where you were born which country are born in

you were born which country are born in

you were born which country are born in and the income distribution in that

and the income distribution in that

and the income distribution in that country the parental net worth lottery

country the parental net worth lottery

country the parental net worth lottery actually there is a substantial

actually there is a substantial

actually there is a substantial correlation but between how much you

correlation but between how much you

correlation but between how much you will earn in your life and how much your

will earn in your life and how much your

will earn in your life and how much your parents your parents are it’s about the

parents your parents are it’s about the

parents your parents are it’s about the same correlation there is for height

same correlation there is for height

same correlation there is for height right the education lottery there’s lots

right the education lottery there’s lots

right the education lottery there’s lots of great data on education right for

of great data on education right for

of great data on education right for example in the United States there’s

example in the United States there’s

example in the United States there’s data that shows but students in the top

data that shows but students in the top

data that shows but students in the top I think five or one percent of the

I think five or one percent of the

I think five or one percent of the income bracket are 77 times more likely

income bracket are 77 times more likely

income bracket are 77 times more likely to get into an Ivy League school then

to get into an Ivy League school then

to get into an Ivy League school then kids from the bottom quintile there’s

kids from the bottom quintile there’s

kids from the bottom quintile there’s data to show that students with highest

data to show that students with highest

data to show that students with highest lower standardized test scores who come

lower standardized test scores who come

lower standardized test scores who come from higher net worth families have a

from higher net worth families have a

from higher net worth families have a greater chance of attending and

greater chance of attending and

greater chance of attending and graduating from universities than

graduating from universities than

graduating from universities than students with higher standardized test

students with higher standardized test

students with higher standardized test scores so in a way kind of merit is the

scores so in a way kind of merit is the

scores so in a way kind of merit is the kind of Mythology isn’t you know so lots

kind of Mythology isn’t you know so lots

kind of Mythology isn’t you know so lots of data on this illusion of choice so we

of data on this illusion of choice so we

of data on this illusion of choice so we have to be careful when we talk about

have to be careful when we talk about

have to be careful when we talk about choice we know for example we use this

choice we know for example we use this

choice we know for example we use this sort of data when we talk about I don’t

sort of data when we talk about I don’t

sort of data when we talk about I don’t have time to go over it but you can look

have time to go over it but you can look

have time to go over it but you can look at the Acorn data we get this data when

at the Acorn data we get this data when

at the Acorn data we get this data when we look at university admissions data

we look at university admissions data

we look at university admissions data we’re always interested in you know some

we’re always interested in you know some

we’re always interested in you know some of the cata me we can classify zip code

of the cata me we can classify zip code

of the cata me we can classify zip code postcodes sorry postcodes by this data

postcodes sorry postcodes by this data

postcodes sorry postcodes by this data right we can actually tell you where

right we can actually tell you where

right we can actually tell you where people live who are struggling family

people live who are struggling family

people live who are struggling family difficult circumstances what the data

difficult circumstances what the data

difficult circumstances what the data looks like by postcode there is a

looks like by postcode there is a

looks like by postcode there is a postcode lottery now I’m not running out

postcode lottery now I’m not running out

postcode lottery now I’m not running out of time so so what on what I want to get

of time so so what on what I want to get

of time so so what on what I want to get at is really to understand how this

at is really to understand how this

at is really to understand how this illusion of choice exists so how do we

illusion of choice exists so how do we

illusion of choice exists so how do we want to govern debt so I argue that we

want to govern debt so I argue that we

want to govern debt so I argue that we need to look at debt through another

need to look at debt through another

need to look at debt through another lens other than financial stability we

lens other than financial stability we

lens other than financial stability we need to look at debt through the

need to look at debt through the

need to look at debt through the standpoint of we call luck

standpoint of we call luck

standpoint of we call luck egalitarianism right there this is a

egalitarianism right there this is a

egalitarianism right there this is a theory that was very well developed in

theory that was very well developed in

theory that was very well developed in moral philosophy it comes from a paper

moral philosophy it comes from a paper

moral philosophy it comes from a paper by a very famous philosopher named

by a very famous philosopher named

by a very famous philosopher named Ronald Dworkin called a quality of

Ronald Dworkin called a quality of

Ronald Dworkin called a quality of resources we want to look at choice and

resources we want to look at choice and

resources we want to look at choice and we’ll look also at circumstances and we

we’ll look also at circumstances and we

we’ll look also at circumstances and we talked about the distinction in that

talked about the distinction in that

talked about the distinction in that literature between brute luck an option

literature between brute luck an option

literature between brute luck an option luck option luck is about taking a

luck option luck is about taking a

luck option luck is about taking a gamble brute luck is about just whatever

gamble brute luck is about just whatever

gamble brute luck is about just whatever happens to you that you have no control

happens to you that you have no control

happens to you that you have no control over right now I went through the

over right now I went through the

over right now I went through the illusion of choice material to just tell

illusion of choice material to just tell

illusion of choice material to just tell you that much of what we choose depends

you that much of what we choose depends

you that much of what we choose depends on our circumstances right so we don’t

on our circumstances right so we don’t

on our circumstances right so we don’t want the allocation of an important

want the allocation of an important

want the allocation of an important resource like access to credit to be

resource like access to credit to be

resource like access to credit to be subject to our bad brute luck so if you

subject to our bad brute luck so if you

subject to our bad brute luck so if you look at the structure of debt in society

look at the structure of debt in society

look at the structure of debt in society you want to ask the question does it

you want to ask the question does it

you want to ask the question does it comply with these requirements right so

comply with these requirements right so

comply with these requirements right so here’s an example look at your student

here’s an example look at your student

here’s an example look at your student debt right right now debt is student

debt right right now debt is student

debt right right now debt is student debt for exhibit is a good example is

debt for exhibit is a good example is

debt for exhibit is a good example is based on there are certain provisions

based on there are certain provisions

based on there are certain provisions with soften that debt which make it more

with soften that debt which make it more

with soften that debt which make it more suitable from the standpoint of

suitable from the standpoint of

suitable from the standpoint of egalitarian justice like income

egalitarian justice like income

egalitarian justice like income contingent repayment plans and fixed

contingent repayment plans and fixed

contingent repayment plans and fixed durations for the periods of loans Obama

durations for the periods of loans Obama

durations for the periods of loans Obama did the same thing through an executive

did the same thing through an executive

did the same thing through an executive order yes an executive order in the

order yes an executive order in the

order yes an executive order in the United States right that’s often the

United States right that’s often the

United States right that’s often the loan otherwise the debt is too rigid and

loan otherwise the debt is too rigid and

loan otherwise the debt is too rigid and it’s unjust

it’s unjust

it’s unjust Fremen it from a gala terry standpoint

Fremen it from a gala terry standpoint

Fremen it from a gala terry standpoint and so that is essentially the subject

and so that is essentially the subject

and so that is essentially the subject of Maya will skip some of the other

of Maya will skip some of the other

of Maya will skip some of the other finer details given the time we have but

finer details given the time we have but

finer details given the time we have but the point I’m trying to make here is

the point I’m trying to make here is

the point I’m trying to make here is that we need to balance debt in the

that we need to balance debt in the

that we need to balance debt in the economy from the standpoint of justice

economy from the standpoint of justice

economy from the standpoint of justice not only from the standpoint of

not only from the standpoint of

not only from the standpoint of economics or efficiency because debt is

economics or efficiency because debt is

economics or efficiency because debt is a resource in society and that resource

a resource in society and that resource

a resource in society and that resource has to be distributed fairly so thanks

has to be distributed fairly so thanks

has to be distributed fairly so thanks very much

very much

very much [Applause]

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