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I’ll tell you a little about me later

I’ll tell you a little about me later but what I’m really interested in doing

but what I’m really interested in doing

but what I’m really interested in doing tonight

tonight

tonight in the spirit of making a difference is

in the spirit of making a difference is

in the spirit of making a difference is to ask you all to do something now which

to ask you all to do something now which

to ask you all to do something now which is experiment in improvisation and take

is experiment in improvisation and take

is experiment in improvisation and take a deep breath because this is a huge

a deep breath because this is a huge

a deep breath because this is a huge emotional challenge I want you to turn

emotional challenge I want you to turn

emotional challenge I want you to turn to someone close to you and express

to someone close to you and express

to someone close to you and express unabashedly the sign of peace where you

unabashedly the sign of peace where you

unabashedly the sign of peace where you go

shut up

shut up wonderful wonderful think about that how

wonderful wonderful think about that how

wonderful wonderful think about that how comfortable that was how uncomfortable

comfortable that was how uncomfortable

comfortable that was how uncomfortable that was whatever up here we have some

that was whatever up here we have some

that was whatever up here we have some people and I’m going to be talking

people and I’m going to be talking

people and I’m going to be talking tonight essentially about people and

tonight essentially about people and

tonight essentially about people and journey these are all wonderful folks

journey these are all wonderful folks

journey these are all wonderful folks they are part of my life in one way or

they are part of my life in one way or

they are part of my life in one way or another

another

another I however in terms of context I’m an

I however in terms of context I’m an

I however in terms of context I’m an incurable optimist all take a side I

incurable optimist all take a side I

incurable optimist all take a side I possess the optimist gene

possess the optimist gene

possess the optimist gene those of us who possess the optimist

those of us who possess the optimist

those of us who possess the optimist gene extraordinarily fortunate it’s not

gene extraordinarily fortunate it’s not

gene extraordinarily fortunate it’s not that you walk through life naively but

that you walk through life naively but

that you walk through life naively but you tend to bounce back a bit quicker

you tend to bounce back a bit quicker

you tend to bounce back a bit quicker from some of the challenges that we all

from some of the challenges that we all

from some of the challenges that we all have to confront I’ve had a few of those

have to confront I’ve had a few of those

have to confront I’ve had a few of those I was born in Dunedin 60 years ago so

I was born in Dunedin 60 years ago so

I was born in Dunedin 60 years ago so I’ve been around the block a few times

I’ve been around the block a few times

I’ve been around the block a few times the thing about the optimism dream is

the thing about the optimism dream is

the thing about the optimism dream is that what it gives you the gift is the

that what it gives you the gift is the

that what it gives you the gift is the gift of agency the gift of having a

gift of agency the gift of having a

gift of agency the gift of having a sense that you can participate that you

sense that you can participate that you

sense that you can participate that you can enable that you can through doing so

can enable that you can through doing so

can enable that you can through doing so affect change this is a gift which sadly

affect change this is a gift which sadly

affect change this is a gift which sadly is in all too short supply

is in all too short supply

is in all too short supply I believe our greatest single enemy is

I believe our greatest single enemy is

I believe our greatest single enemy is not the existential challenges that we

not the existential challenges that we

not the existential challenges that we all confront but people feeling it is

all confront but people feeling it is

all confront but people feeling it is all too big or it is all too hard that

all too big or it is all too hard that

all too big or it is all too hard that is the far greater challenge in my mind

is the far greater challenge in my mind

is the far greater challenge in my mind then the problems themselves

then the problems themselves

then the problems themselves speaking of context and the side of

speaking of context and the side of

speaking of context and the side of peace which you’ve just engaged in let

peace which you’ve just engaged in let

peace which you’ve just engaged in let me tell a little bit story about my dear

me tell a little bit story about my dear

me tell a little bit story about my dear old mother my mother on one side of her

old mother my mother on one side of her

old mother my mother on one side of her clan came from a long line of French

clan came from a long line of French

clan came from a long line of French Jews

Jews

Jews she and her sisters both married

she and her sisters both married

she and her sisters both married Catholics I was raised pretty much

Catholics I was raised pretty much

Catholics I was raised pretty much Catholic until my father long guide long

Catholic until my father long guide long

Catholic until my father long guide long gone who died when I was 13 my mother

gone who died when I was 13 my mother

gone who died when I was 13 my mother went on for another 31 or 32 years

went on for another 31 or 32 years

went on for another 31 or 32 years during which time he became sanctified

during which time he became sanctified

during which time he became sanctified he wasn’t a saint I can tell you but one

he wasn’t a saint I can tell you but one

he wasn’t a saint I can tell you but one night at the tender age of about 80 she

night at the tender age of about 80 she

night at the tender age of about 80 she stopped going to mess the reason was she

stopped going to mess the reason was she

stopped going to mess the reason was she had all that time her Jewishness

had all that time her Jewishness

had all that time her Jewishness notwithstanding been a Catholic and on

notwithstanding been a Catholic and on

notwithstanding been a Catholic and on this particular night she went to Mass

this particular night she went to Mass

this particular night she went to Mass and the mass was no longer in Latin it

and the mass was no longer in Latin it

and the mass was no longer in Latin it was in English and the mask fell and at

was in English and the mask fell and at

was in English and the mask fell and at communion she was asked if she would

communion she was asked if she would

communion she was asked if she would turn around and give someone the side of

turn around and give someone the side of

turn around and give someone the side of peace that was it she never went back

peace that was it she never went back

peace that was it she never went back and for the last part of her life she

and for the last part of her life she

and for the last part of her life she and her two sisters returned to their

and her two sisters returned to their

and her two sisters returned to their Singer sewing machines like something

Singer sewing machines like something

Singer sewing machines like something out of a Woody Allen movie and continues

out of a Woody Allen movie and continues

out of a Woody Allen movie and continues to be the tailor’s the Jewish tailors

to be the tailor’s the Jewish tailors

to be the tailor’s the Jewish tailors they always were we confront at the

they always were we confront at the

they always were we confront at the moment in many parts of the world

moment in many parts of the world

moment in many parts of the world geopolitically as you’re all aware

geopolitically as you’re all aware

geopolitically as you’re all aware retreat of various kinds nativism

retreat of various kinds nativism

retreat of various kinds nativism nationalism fake news the attack on

nationalism fake news the attack on

nationalism fake news the attack on identity politics cap I come from not

identity politics cap I come from not

identity politics cap I come from not only an optimistic perspective but I

only an optimistic perspective but I

only an optimistic perspective but I have two very strong convictions and the

have two very strong convictions and the

have two very strong convictions and the work I do which is one god protect us

work I do which is one god protect us

work I do which is one god protect us from the zealots and I don’t care what

from the zealots and I don’t care what

from the zealots and I don’t care what color creed or politics they are but I

color creed or politics they are but I

color creed or politics they are but I also have an even stronger conviction

also have an even stronger conviction

also have an even stronger conviction which is God protect us from the earnest

which is God protect us from the earnest

which is God protect us from the earnest people who don’t have a sense of humor

people who don’t have a sense of humor

people who don’t have a sense of humor are extremely difficult to work with so

are extremely difficult to work with so

are extremely difficult to work with so these are the two contexts and the one

these are the two contexts and the one

these are the two contexts and the one hand the positive that I believe in many

hand the positive that I believe in many

hand the positive that I believe in many ways I’m fortunate to be able to

ways I’m fortunate to be able to

ways I’m fortunate to be able to practice the optimism side of the

practice the optimism side of the

practice the optimism side of the equation the other is I’m not an idiot I

equation the other is I’m not an idiot I

equation the other is I’m not an idiot I am a pragmatist and one has to

am a pragmatist and one has to

am a pragmatist and one has to acknowledge that we do confront some

acknowledge that we do confront some

acknowledge that we do confront some fairly extraordinary challenge

fairly extraordinary challenge

fairly extraordinary challenge be at local Vietnam be a global but I am

be at local Vietnam be a global but I am

be at local Vietnam be a global but I am saying without any shadow of a doubt

saying without any shadow of a doubt

saying without any shadow of a doubt that the way through these things is to

that the way through these things is to

that the way through these things is to do with agency so what is the beginning

do with agency so what is the beginning

do with agency so what is the beginning of agency to me it is people and it is

of agency to me it is people and it is

of agency to me it is people and it is story and the beginning of conversations

story and the beginning of conversations

story and the beginning of conversations that matter is the stories that we can

that matter is the stories that we can

that matter is the stories that we can share that in many ways are still being

share that in many ways are still being

share that in many ways are still being written the journey is far more

written the journey is far more

written the journey is far more important than the destination and if we

important than the destination and if we

important than the destination and if we can embrace our individual story first

can embrace our individual story first

can embrace our individual story first and foremost and share that as we easily

and foremost and share that as we easily

and foremost and share that as we easily do with our families that’s fabulous

do with our families that’s fabulous

do with our families that’s fabulous with our friends in this day and age god

with our friends in this day and age god

with our friends in this day and age god help us we can do that through tech in a

help us we can do that through tech in a

help us we can do that through tech in a way that my generation certainly

way that my generation certainly

way that my generation certainly couldn’t when I was growing up that’s

couldn’t when I was growing up that’s

couldn’t when I was growing up that’s relatively straightforward sharing your

relatively straightforward sharing your

relatively straightforward sharing your story passionately the strangers however

story passionately the strangers however

story passionately the strangers however is a different problem it’s an

is a different problem it’s an

is a different problem it’s an opportunity but it is a problem

opportunity but it is a problem

opportunity but it is a problem particularly if that stranger you know

particularly if that stranger you know

particularly if that stranger you know comes from an echo chamber a bubble a

comes from an echo chamber a bubble a

comes from an echo chamber a bubble a political worldview which is utterly the

political worldview which is utterly the

political worldview which is utterly the reverse of what you value of what you

reverse of what you value of what you

reverse of what you value of what you believe matters but what I’m talking

believe matters but what I’m talking

believe matters but what I’m talking about tonight is that fundamentally that

about tonight is that fundamentally that

about tonight is that fundamentally that is the challenge that we need to

is the challenge that we need to

is the challenge that we need to confront so if we begin with the idea of

confront so if we begin with the idea of

confront so if we begin with the idea of story and the idea of sharing story what

story and the idea of sharing story what

story and the idea of sharing story what is the middle what matters here what is

is the middle what matters here what is

is the middle what matters here what is this about we just heard our friend from

this about we just heard our friend from

this about we just heard our friend from the u.s. talking about the long term

the u.s. talking about the long term

the u.s. talking about the long term versus the short term what I’m talking

versus the short term what I’m talking

versus the short term what I’m talking about here is breaking the echo chambers

about here is breaking the echo chambers

about here is breaking the echo chambers breaking the bubbles I’m talking about

breaking the bubbles I’m talking about

breaking the bubbles I’m talking about bipartisan political processes multi

bipartisan political processes multi

bipartisan political processes multi partisan political processes as opposed

partisan political processes as opposed

partisan political processes as opposed to I’m a Republican you’re a Democrat

to I’m a Republican you’re a Democrat

to I’m a Republican you’re a Democrat you’re a Trump voter I’ve got nothing to

you’re a Trump voter I’ve got nothing to

you’re a Trump voter I’ve got nothing to say cultural respect what a story about

say cultural respect what a story about

say cultural respect what a story about why do

why do

why do we tell stories what is the aim of

we tell stories what is the aim of

we tell stories what is the aim of telling stories what are we looking for

telling stories what are we looking for

telling stories what are we looking for in telling stories

in telling stories

in telling stories surely the opportunity is to look for

surely the opportunity is to look for

surely the opportunity is to look for what binds us what is that that I am

what binds us what is that that I am

what binds us what is that that I am hearing for the first time in your story

hearing for the first time in your story

hearing for the first time in your story with which I resonate despite the fact

with which I resonate despite the fact

with which I resonate despite the fact that I know you’re packing three visible

that I know you’re packing three visible

that I know you’re packing three visible firearms and you probably have another

firearms and you probably have another

firearms and you probably have another three and I know that you voted for

three and I know that you voted for

three and I know that you voted for Trump

Trump

Trump a month ago what is it that I can do –

a month ago what is it that I can do –

a month ago what is it that I can do – listen acutely – find the cord where you

listen acutely – find the cord where you

listen acutely – find the cord where you and I can have a conversation that

and I can have a conversation that

and I can have a conversation that matters where we can lift we can elevate

matters where we can lift we can elevate

matters where we can lift we can elevate the conversation amongst the easy bias

the conversation amongst the easy bias

the conversation amongst the easy bias the easy prejudice which we all can

the easy prejudice which we all can

the easy prejudice which we all can carry and I’m talking about the left as

carry and I’m talking about the left as

carry and I’m talking about the left as well as the right I’m talking about the

well as the right I’m talking about the

well as the right I’m talking about the kids and madrasahs in Pakistan as

kids and madrasahs in Pakistan as

kids and madrasahs in Pakistan as readily as I’m talking about the Bible

readily as I’m talking about the Bible

readily as I’m talking about the Bible Belt in America or the tall poppy

Belt in America or the tall poppy

Belt in America or the tall poppy syndrome in our own beloved museum so

syndrome in our own beloved museum so

syndrome in our own beloved museum so what are we after we’re looking for

what are we after we’re looking for

what are we after we’re looking for cultural respect we’re looking for

cultural respect we’re looking for

cultural respect we’re looking for common humanity we are definitely as a

common humanity we are definitely as a

common humanity we are definitely as a system for hopefully engaging with humor

system for hopefully engaging with humor

system for hopefully engaging with humor with what politicians who have this

with what politicians who have this

with what politicians who have this naturally think of the Clintons bill had

naturally think of the Clintons bill had

naturally think of the Clintons bill had it in spades Hillary’s unfortunately as

it in spades Hillary’s unfortunately as

it in spades Hillary’s unfortunately as a bypass in terms of what’s called the

a bypass in terms of what’s called the

a bypass in terms of what’s called the common touch and then fundamentally of

common touch and then fundamentally of

common touch and then fundamentally of course we have to recognize that all of

course we have to recognize that all of

course we have to recognize that all of us no matter where we come from no

us no matter where we come from no

us no matter where we come from no matter what our stage of life no matter

matter what our stage of life no matter

matter what our stage of life no matter what our situation we fundamentally are

what our situation we fundamentally are

what our situation we fundamentally are concerned with whether there’s bread and

concerned with whether there’s bread and

concerned with whether there’s bread and butter on the table and whether we feel

butter on the table and whether we feel

butter on the table and whether we feel personally secure Bill Clinton’s famous

personally secure Bill Clinton’s famous

personally secure Bill Clinton’s famous statement it’s the economy stupid echoed

statement it’s the economy stupid echoed

statement it’s the economy stupid echoed recently by Steve Bannon when he was

recently by Steve Bannon when he was

recently by Steve Bannon when he was finally a nun – happily booted out of

finally a nun – happily booted out of

finally a nun – happily booted out of the White House he made the point rather

the White House he made the point rather

the White House he made the point rather off handedly that he really hoped that

off handedly that he really hoped that

off handedly that he really hoped that the left that the resistance in the US

the left that the resistance in the US

the left that the resistance in the US would continue to focus on issues like

would continue to focus on issues like

would continue to focus on issues like color on issues like climate because as

color on issues like climate because as

color on issues like climate because as long as they did that it would

long as they did that it would

long as they did that it would continually reinforce the Trump

continually reinforce the Trump

continually reinforce the Trump who are primarily concerned with bread

who are primarily concerned with bread

who are primarily concerned with bread and butter on the table we have to

and butter on the table we have to

and butter on the table we have to acknowledge we have to recognize that we

acknowledge we have to recognize that we

acknowledge we have to recognize that we all as human beings have fundamental

all as human beings have fundamental

all as human beings have fundamental needs it’s not an either-or but if you

needs it’s not an either-or but if you

needs it’s not an either-or but if you ignore those needs completely in favor

ignore those needs completely in favor

ignore those needs completely in favor of some higher level of moral virtue

of some higher level of moral virtue

of some higher level of moral virtue again it’s difficult so Who am I

again it’s difficult so Who am I

again it’s difficult so Who am I my name is Mark crane I have the great

my name is Mark crane I have the great

my name is Mark crane I have the great good fortune for the last decade of

good fortune for the last decade of

good fortune for the last decade of being the founding director of the

being the founding director of the

being the founding director of the Hillary Institute of International

Hillary Institute of International

Hillary Institute of International leadership

leadership

leadership this was established a year before it

this was established a year before it

this was established a year before it died with his full support with the idea

died with his full support with the idea

died with his full support with the idea of honoring his role as an exceptional

of honoring his role as an exceptional

of honoring his role as an exceptional leader and as a global citizen

leader and as a global citizen

leader and as a global citizen much as we revere him here his work

much as we revere him here his work

much as we revere him here his work internationally is enormous ly

internationally is enormous ly

internationally is enormous ly well-regarded what do we do we focus on

well-regarded what do we do we focus on

well-regarded what do we do we focus on exceptional leaders in mid-career

exceptional leaders in mid-career

exceptional leaders in mid-career exceptional changemakers in mid-career

exceptional changemakers in mid-career

exceptional changemakers in mid-career people who are doing real and can

people who are doing real and can

people who are doing real and can do more it’s an area which is often very

do more it’s an area which is often very

do more it’s an area which is often very challenging as I’m sure many of you who

challenging as I’m sure many of you who

challenging as I’m sure many of you who are mid-career will understand and so

are mid-career will understand and so

are mid-career will understand and so that’s where we put our emphasis at

that’s where we put our emphasis at

that’s where we put our emphasis at results and what’s called one Hillary

results and what’s called one Hillary

results and what’s called one Hillary laureate per annum somewhere on the

laureate per annum somewhere on the

laureate per annum somewhere on the planet we’ve been doing it for a decade

planet we’ve been doing it for a decade

planet we’ve been doing it for a decade we have eight of them now ranging from

we have eight of them now ranging from

we have eight of them now ranging from the president of Carabas to the founder

the president of Carabas to the founder

the president of Carabas to the founder of Amazon watch an extraordinary woman

of Amazon watch an extraordinary woman

of Amazon watch an extraordinary woman coup d’etat so sultani

coup d’etat so sultani

coup d’etat so sultani to the current Hillary laureate 2017

to the current Hillary laureate 2017

to the current Hillary laureate 2017 Johan rocks from who many of you all

Johan rocks from who many of you all

Johan rocks from who many of you all have heard her I’m sure he’s the man who

have heard her I’m sure he’s the man who

have heard her I’m sure he’s the man who invented the planetary boundaries and is

invented the planetary boundaries and is

invented the planetary boundaries and is a huge figure in the landscape of

a huge figure in the landscape of

a huge figure in the landscape of climate change what are the topics we’re

climate change what are the topics we’re

climate change what are the topics we’re talking about well the old adages you

talking about well the old adages you

talking about well the old adages you should never talk about politics sex or

should never talk about politics sex or

should never talk about politics sex or religion well basically I’m saying well

religion well basically I’m saying well

religion well basically I’m saying well let’s turn that right on its head what

let’s turn that right on its head what

let’s turn that right on its head what conversations that matter is about is

conversations that matter is about is

conversations that matter is about is taking on those very uncomfortable

taking on those very uncomfortable

taking on those very uncomfortable engagements those very uncomfortable

engagements those very uncomfortable

engagements those very uncomfortable conversations as many of them were

conversations as many of them were

conversations as many of them were mentioned today people have allocated

mentioned today people have allocated

mentioned today people have allocated them far better than I some of them are

them far better than I some of them are

them far better than I some of them are obviously there I won’t go through it

obviously there I won’t go through it

obviously there I won’t go through it read it out you can see it and the point

read it out you can see it and the point

read it out you can see it and the point in the brackets here

in the brackets here

in the brackets here is that in our busy lives two things

is that in our busy lives two things

is that in our busy lives two things happen one is we get distracted so very

happen one is we get distracted so very

happen one is we get distracted so very easily and the other is as I said before

easily and the other is as I said before

easily and the other is as I said before that we fundamentally use our busy lives

that we fundamentally use our busy lives

that we fundamentally use our busy lives as an excuse for not participating for

as an excuse for not participating for

as an excuse for not participating for not having agency for not engaging in a

not having agency for not engaging in a

not having agency for not engaging in a way which actually confronts our comfort

way which actually confronts our comfort

way which actually confronts our comfort which forces us to stretch which forces

which forces us to stretch which forces

which forces us to stretch which forces us to go to those uncomfortable areas of

us to go to those uncomfortable areas of

us to go to those uncomfortable areas of our lives which we would frankly rather

our lives which we would frankly rather

our lives which we would frankly rather not so what is this for who is this for

not so what is this for who is this for

not so what is this for who is this for as I said in terms of scale it’s

everyone it’s firstly the individual

everyone it’s firstly the individual challenge secondly agency community then

challenge secondly agency community then

challenge secondly agency community then sector then nation then glow what are we

sector then nation then glow what are we

sector then nation then glow what are we doing this for we are looking for

doing this for we are looking for

doing this for we are looking for solution models which work across all

solution models which work across all

solution models which work across all levels of society and to do that in my

levels of society and to do that in my

levels of society and to do that in my mind we have to have the courage to try

mind we have to have the courage to try

mind we have to have the courage to try and lift the conversation as I say above

and lift the conversation as I say above

and lift the conversation as I say above our bias above our chauvinism above our

our bias above our chauvinism above our

our bias above our chauvinism above our prejudice and we have to look for the

prejudice and we have to look for the

prejudice and we have to look for the pathways where we can actually work

pathways where we can actually work

pathways where we can actually work together and for some obvious examples

together and for some obvious examples

together and for some obvious examples in the former slide in fact any one of

in the former slide in fact any one of

in the former slide in fact any one of these issues here fundamentally is not

these issues here fundamentally is not

these issues here fundamentally is not something which we’re ever going to

something which we’re ever going to

something which we’re ever going to solve if we say the Democrats are gonna

solve if we say the Democrats are gonna

solve if we say the Democrats are gonna do it or the Republicans are gonna do it

do it or the Republicans are gonna do it

do it or the Republicans are gonna do it they ain’t we have to do it we have to

they ain’t we have to do it we have to

they ain’t we have to do it we have to have those uncomfortable conversations a

have those uncomfortable conversations a

have those uncomfortable conversations a friend of mine a former mayor of Seattle

friend of mine a former mayor of Seattle

friend of mine a former mayor of Seattle 20 years ago began a program which was

20 years ago began a program which was

20 years ago began a program which was incredibly simple and it all I’m talking

incredibly simple and it all I’m talking

incredibly simple and it all I’m talking about here is straightforward and simple

about here is straightforward and simple

about here is straightforward and simple it’s not new what Herrmann did was he

it’s not new what Herrmann did was he

it’s not new what Herrmann did was he challenged his community in Seattle to

challenged his community in Seattle to

challenged his community in Seattle to say ray tonight you’re gonna have a

say ray tonight you’re gonna have a

say ray tonight you’re gonna have a dinner and you’re going to invite ten

dinner and you’re going to invite ten

dinner and you’re going to invite ten people to your home you’ve never met

people to your home you’ve never met

people to your home you’ve never met before and I as the mayor I’m going to

before and I as the mayor I’m going to

before and I as the mayor I’m going to guarantee you that those 10 people will

guarantee you that those 10 people will

guarantee you that those 10 people will be all of different communities all of

be all of different communities all of

be all of different communities all of different races

different races

different races you’ll get a hosted dinner and there’s

you’ll get a hosted dinner and there’s

you’ll get a hosted dinner and there’s only one ambition one outcome that

only one ambition one outcome that

only one ambition one outcome that matters that is by the end of the night

matters that is by the end of the night

matters that is by the end of the night somebody else is going to put their hand

somebody else is going to put their hand

somebody else is going to put their hand up and say I’m going to do it next time

up and say I’m going to do it next time

up and say I’m going to do it next time so again this is not rocket science

so again this is not rocket science

so again this is not rocket science but it is looking for those

but it is looking for those

but it is looking for those breakthroughs where we can actually

breakthroughs where we can actually

breakthroughs where we can actually ultimately move from an uncomfortable

ultimately move from an uncomfortable

ultimately move from an uncomfortable conversation to solution models that

conversation to solution models that

conversation to solution models that actually work this young man here in the

actually work this young man here in the

actually work this young man here in the middle in terms of my work last year we

middle in terms of my work last year we

middle in terms of my work last year we were asked by the federal government

were asked by the federal government

were asked by the federal government here in New Zealand great

here in New Zealand great

here in New Zealand great Hilary Institute around for a decade

Hilary Institute around for a decade

Hilary Institute around for a decade you’re well-known in Shanghai what would

you’re well-known in Shanghai what would

you’re well-known in Shanghai what would you do if you came home what would it

you do if you came home what would it

you do if you came home what would it look like so this year in fact in one

look like so this year in fact in one

look like so this year in fact in one month’s time we are landing the first

month’s time we are landing the first

month’s time we are landing the first cohort of what will be 100 a year what

cohort of what will be 100 a year what

cohort of what will be 100 a year what are called Hilary fellows into New

are called Hilary fellows into New

are called Hilary fellows into New Zealand 80 percent of them are coming

Zealand 80 percent of them are coming

Zealand 80 percent of them are coming from everywhere on the planet the first

from everywhere on the planet the first

from everywhere on the planet the first cohort we had 411 applications from 57

cohort we had 411 applications from 57

cohort we had 411 applications from 57 countries why are they coming to New

countries why are they coming to New

countries why are they coming to New Zealand they’re coming to New Zealand to

Zealand they’re coming to New Zealand to

Zealand they’re coming to New Zealand to spend three years developing a product a

spend three years developing a product a

spend three years developing a product a good or a service which they can then

good or a service which they can then

good or a service which they can then take back to scale and the service of

take back to scale and the service of

take back to scale and the service of global solution modelling so in many

global solution modelling so in many

global solution modelling so in many ways these people are by definition

ways these people are by definition

ways these people are by definition entrepreneurs but they’re not in the

entrepreneurs but they’re not in the

entrepreneurs but they’re not in the spirit of the talk we just heard just

spirit of the talk we just heard just

spirit of the talk we just heard just tick entrepreneurs some of them do come

tick entrepreneurs some of them do come

tick entrepreneurs some of them do come from Silicon Valley some of them like

from Silicon Valley some of them like

from Silicon Valley some of them like this young man here come from and he’s

this young man here come from and he’s

this young man here come from and he’s the chief executive of their fellowship

the chief executive of their fellowship

the chief executive of their fellowship program in New Zealand he started his

program in New Zealand he started his

program in New Zealand he started his life in a village in Ethiopia and he

life in a village in Ethiopia and he

life in a village in Ethiopia and he wanted a first-class education so he

wanted a first-class education so he

wanted a first-class education so he write to every Ivy League on the planet

write to every Ivy League on the planet

write to every Ivy League on the planet he said give me an interview Cambridge

he said give me an interview Cambridge

he said give me an interview Cambridge wrote back and said we’ll give you an

wrote back and said we’ll give you an

wrote back and said we’ll give you an interview just as long as you can get

interview just as long as you can get

interview just as long as you can get here so he also put the shekel out to

here so he also put the shekel out to

here so he also put the shekel out to every goat in his village to get the

every goat in his village to get the

every goat in his village to get the funds to get him to London he went from

funds to get him to London he went from

funds to get him to London he went from Cambridge to Harvard

Cambridge to Harvard

Cambridge to Harvard to Silicon Valley back to New Zealand

to Silicon Valley back to New Zealand

to Silicon Valley back to New Zealand with two colleagues who were absolutely

with two colleagues who were absolutely

with two colleagues who were absolutely convinced that this country this very

convinced that this country this very

convinced that this country this very special out there or could be an

special out there or could be an

special out there or could be an incubator nation for purpose impact

incubator nation for purpose impact

incubator nation for purpose impact entrepreneurship so tied to this program

entrepreneurship so tied to this program

entrepreneurship so tied to this program is a visa program this is election year

is a visa program this is election year

is a visa program this is election year it represents one-and-a-half percent of

it represents one-and-a-half percent of

it represents one-and-a-half percent of our national immigration profile at the

our national immigration profile at the

our national immigration profile at the moment but in the next five years we

moment but in the next five years we

moment but in the next five years we will have 500 fellows 400 will be

will have 500 fellows 400 will be

will have 500 fellows 400 will be international 20% of each cohort of 100

international 20% of each cohort of 100

international 20% of each cohort of 100 at Kiwi and we’re hopeful that this will

at Kiwi and we’re hopeful that this will

at Kiwi and we’re hopeful that this will re-energize if you will the kinds of

re-energize if you will the kinds of

re-energize if you will the kinds of social progressiveness that this country

social progressiveness that this country

social progressiveness that this country has sporadically been famous for so it’s

has sporadically been famous for so it’s

has sporadically been famous for so it’s about the design what am I talking about

about the design what am I talking about

about the design what am I talking about in conversations that matter I’m talking

in conversations that matter I’m talking

in conversations that matter I’m talking about very intimate conversations I’m

about very intimate conversations I’m

about very intimate conversations I’m not talking about castes of thousands

not talking about castes of thousands

not talking about castes of thousands I’m talking about a very simple model

I’m talking about a very simple model

I’m talking about a very simple model which is based on 10 participants very

which is based on 10 participants very

which is based on 10 participants very importantly on three generally on three

importantly on three generally on three

importantly on three generally on three generations

generations

generations so I Ashley where are you there and my

so I Ashley where are you there and my

so I Ashley where are you there and my good friend whose name is whistled

good friend whose name is whistled

good friend whose name is whistled George I said to Ashley and George

George I said to Ashley and George

George I said to Ashley and George before this I wanted to talk to them

before this I wanted to talk to them

before this I wanted to talk to them after it it’s critical as both of these

after it it’s critical as both of these

after it it’s critical as both of these wonderful young people so eloquently

wonderful young people so eloquently

wonderful young people so eloquently said today that we have

said today that we have

said today that we have intergenerational conversations that

intergenerational conversations that

intergenerational conversations that actually matter and which are about

actually matter and which are about

actually matter and which are about using these and are not about imposing

using these and are not about imposing

using these and are not about imposing one generation upon another in yes

one generation upon another in yes

one generation upon another in yes George we all suck you’re absolutely

George we all suck you’re absolutely

George we all suck you’re absolutely right what a wonderful its position from

right what a wonderful its position from

right what a wonderful its position from a young man of your age to be able to

a young man of your age to be able to

a young man of your age to be able to the insight to see that but nonetheless

the insight to see that but nonetheless

the insight to see that but nonetheless we have to have these conversations so

we have to have these conversations so

we have to have these conversations so the model very simply there you can see

the model very simply there you can see

the model very simply there you can see two facilitators highly skilled at doing

two facilitators highly skilled at doing

two facilitators highly skilled at doing what encouraging everyone in the room to

what encouraging everyone in the room to

what encouraging everyone in the room to feel empowered to have agency and

feel empowered to have agency and

feel empowered to have agency and therefore be heard

therefore be heard

therefore be heard and three provocateurs who strangely

and three provocateurs who strangely

and three provocateurs who strangely enough whatever the subject matter is

enough whatever the subject matter is

enough whatever the subject matter is actually know something about it I’m

actually know something about it I’m

actually know something about it I’m sorry I do not accept that frankly I

sorry I do not accept that frankly I

sorry I do not accept that frankly I will go to the airport and I know that

will go to the airport and I know that

will go to the airport and I know that you’re the qualified pilot is going to

you’re the qualified pilot is going to

you’re the qualified pilot is going to fly my plane but now I have an opinion

fly my plane but now I have an opinion

fly my plane but now I have an opinion because I read it on Fox News that I

because I read it on Fox News that I

because I read it on Fox News that I could probably fly the plane better than

could probably fly the plane better than

could probably fly the plane better than you that what it you fifteen in the room

you that what it you fifteen in the room

you that what it you fifteen in the room equal standing keep it simple so I’m

equal standing keep it simple so I’m

equal standing keep it simple so I’m talking about very intimate groups at

talking about very intimate groups at

talking about very intimate groups at whatever scale I won’t go into this in

whatever scale I won’t go into this in

whatever scale I won’t go into this in detail it’s been a long day but you can

detail it’s been a long day but you can

detail it’s been a long day but you can see it there this is an example this is

see it there this is an example this is

see it there this is an example this is our current laureate mr. rock strim

our current laureate mr. rock strim

our current laureate mr. rock strim extraordinary fellow the challenge to

extraordinary fellow the challenge to

extraordinary fellow the challenge to you here in Dunedin for instance might

you here in Dunedin for instance might

you here in Dunedin for instance might be to bring the whole global issue of

be to bring the whole global issue of

be to bring the whole global issue of drawdown and climate change right down

drawdown and climate change right down

drawdown and climate change right down to the local level and posit what does

to the local level and posit what does

to the local level and posit what does Dunedin look like in a sustainable

Dunedin look like in a sustainable

Dunedin look like in a sustainable decarbonized world what might that look

decarbonized world what might that look

decarbonized world what might that look like that could be the basis of the

like that could be the basis of the

like that could be the basis of the conversation therefore what do I need

conversation therefore what do I need

conversation therefore what do I need from the other generations in the room

from the other generations in the room

from the other generations in the room to make this happen what am i prepared

to make this happen what am i prepared

to make this happen what am i prepared to contribute what is my actual

to contribute what is my actual

to contribute what is my actual commitment what is the action I’m going

commitment what is the action I’m going

commitment what is the action I’m going to take what is the behavior change

to take what is the behavior change

to take what is the behavior change that’s involved in that not let’s have a

that’s involved in that not let’s have a

that’s involved in that not let’s have a nice chat about it and then we’ll go

nice chat about it and then we’ll go

nice chat about it and then we’ll go home feeling better having had a nice

home feeling better having had a nice

home feeling better having had a nice chat if there’s not an action follow-up

chat if there’s not an action follow-up

chat if there’s not an action follow-up in the spirit of doing real stuff we

in the spirit of doing real stuff we

in the spirit of doing real stuff we haven’t got far what am I going to

haven’t got far what am I going to

haven’t got far what am I going to challenge in my own life wonderful

challenge in my own life wonderful

challenge in my own life wonderful friend before talking about clothing and

friend before talking about clothing and

friend before talking about clothing and and and the the reality again and food

and and the the reality again and food

and and the the reality again and food Finn was talking about this the

Finn was talking about this the

Finn was talking about this the incredible waste which which we just

incredible waste which which we just

incredible waste which which we just take for granted in in many of the

take for granted in in many of the

take for granted in in many of the comfortable parts of the world so what

comfortable parts of the world so what

comfortable parts of the world so what am I going to challenge in my own life

am I going to challenge in my own life

am I going to challenge in my own life which means that my comfort is

which means that my comfort is

which means that my comfort is challenged as part of this how do we

challenged as part of this how do we

challenged as part of this how do we collectively D politicize the process

collectively D politicize the process

collectively D politicize the process the greatest is respect to politicians

the greatest is respect to politicians

the greatest is respect to politicians of all hues it is my experience over 60

of all hues it is my experience over 60

of all hues it is my experience over 60 years having worked on presidential

years having worked on presidential

years having worked on presidential campaigns in the u.s. having worked and

campaigns in the u.s. having worked and

campaigns in the u.s. having worked and a variety of campaigns around the planet

a variety of campaigns around the planet

a variety of campaigns around the planet at the very highest of levels and and

at the very highest of levels and and

at the very highest of levels and and also the grassroots that there are very

also the grassroots that there are very

also the grassroots that there are very few genuinely gifted politicians who

few genuinely gifted politicians who

few genuinely gifted politicians who leaved most of them follow what does

leaved most of them follow what does

leaved most of them follow what does that mean it means that if we as

that mean it means that if we as

that mean it means that if we as community are prepared to push to demand

community are prepared to push to demand

community are prepared to push to demand to stand up then we have a better chance

to stand up then we have a better chance

to stand up then we have a better chance of our politicians coming with us

of our politicians coming with us

of our politicians coming with us Jurnee but they have to get past the

Jurnee but they have to get past the

Jurnee but they have to get past the ideological debates the left/right

ideological debates the left/right

ideological debates the left/right debates which so often are just there to

debates which so often are just there to

debates which so often are just there to pay homage to stuff that doesn’t matter

pay homage to stuff that doesn’t matter

pay homage to stuff that doesn’t matter what individual collective actions

what individual collective actions

what individual collective actions starting now will get us to a

starting now will get us to a

starting now will get us to a renaissance future I’m an optimist I

renaissance future I’m an optimist I

renaissance future I’m an optimist I believe we are living in an incredibly

believe we are living in an incredibly

believe we are living in an incredibly exciting moment in time this future that

exciting moment in time this future that

exciting moment in time this future that we have in front of us is unbelievably

we have in front of us is unbelievably

we have in front of us is unbelievably exciting we just have to have the

exciting we just have to have the

exciting we just have to have the courage to make it happen

courage to make it happen

courage to make it happen second example again with respect to our

second example again with respect to our

second example again with respect to our young friends here this is the words of

young friends here this is the words of

young friends here this is the words of my old friend Jane Goodall I’m sorry my

my old friend Jane Goodall I’m sorry my

my old friend Jane Goodall I’m sorry my generation I get very terse when we talk

generation I get very terse when we talk

generation I get very terse when we talk about sorry George

about sorry George

about sorry George sorry actually we’re borrowing your

sorry actually we’re borrowing your

sorry actually we’re borrowing your future we’ve stolen it and I

future we’ve stolen it and I

future we’ve stolen it and I think that in many ways it is our

think that in many ways it is our

think that in many ways it is our obligation therefore to stay and play

obligation therefore to stay and play

obligation therefore to stay and play with you we have to be there with you we

with you we have to be there with you we

with you we have to be there with you we can’t just retire the boomers contras

can’t just retire the boomers contras

can’t just retire the boomers contras retire early in many ways we have not

retire early in many ways we have not

retire early in many ways we have not met the bargain that we as in a youth

met the bargain that we as in a youth

met the bargain that we as in a youth set out to to achieve so we have to stay

set out to to achieve so we have to stay

set out to to achieve so we have to stay with you we have to work with you again

with you we have to work with you again

with you we have to work with you again the same sort of model this by the way

the same sort of model this by the way

the same sort of model this by the way for those of you don’t know is the

for those of you don’t know is the

for those of you don’t know is the rather remarkable trust and well known

rather remarkable trust and well known

rather remarkable trust and well known using and company working with 19 year

using and company working with 19 year

using and company working with 19 year olds has been doing it for 14 15 years

olds has been doing it for 14 15 years

olds has been doing it for 14 15 years all over New Zealand on these kinds of

all over New Zealand on these kinds of

all over New Zealand on these kinds of issues

issues

issues pilot outcomes reviewing the process

pilot outcomes reviewing the process

pilot outcomes reviewing the process what works what doesn’t there’s no right

what works what doesn’t there’s no right

what works what doesn’t there’s no right way here what we want to do in these

way here what we want to do in these

way here what we want to do in these programs has identify some obvious wrong

programs has identify some obvious wrong

programs has identify some obvious wrong ones there are some issues here to do

ones there are some issues here to do

ones there are some issues here to do within this intensity of space how much

within this intensity of space how much

within this intensity of space how much trust can you achieve if it’s Chatham

trust can you achieve if it’s Chatham

trust can you achieve if it’s Chatham House versus if it’s streamed globally

House versus if it’s streamed globally

House versus if it’s streamed globally right I don’t know the answer to that I

right I don’t know the answer to that I

right I don’t know the answer to that I suspect the answer to that is probably

suspect the answer to that is probably

suspect the answer to that is probably we need to have that find a middle

we need to have that find a middle

we need to have that find a middle ground some refine distances within one

ground some refine distances within one

ground some refine distances within one week we live in an ephemeral age you

week we live in an ephemeral age you

week we live in an ephemeral age you have very little time to consolidate an

have very little time to consolidate an

have very little time to consolidate an understanding and make sure people are

understanding and make sure people are

understanding and make sure people are still feeling part of it invite comment

still feeling part of it invite comment

still feeling part of it invite comment finalise distribute publicize and more

finalise distribute publicize and more

finalise distribute publicize and more importantly ongoing outcomes build

importantly ongoing outcomes build

importantly ongoing outcomes build momentum off these groups

momentum off these groups

momentum off these groups so Herman former mayor of Seattle that

so Herman former mayor of Seattle that

so Herman former mayor of Seattle that challenge she put in 1988 to his

challenge she put in 1988 to his

challenge she put in 1988 to his community last year there were 18,000

community last year there were 18,000

community last year there were 18,000 dinners in Seattle just based on that

dinners in Seattle just based on that

dinners in Seattle just based on that model build momentum share your impact

model build momentum share your impact

model build momentum share your impact stories coming back what actually about

stories coming back what actually about

stories coming back what actually about this wonderful resonant moment that

this wonderful resonant moment that

this wonderful resonant moment that means that yes you’re a trunk vote a bit

means that yes you’re a trunk vote a bit

means that yes you’re a trunk vote a bit my god we actually have something in

my god we actually have something in

my god we actually have something in common let’s grab that can we share okay

common let’s grab that can we share okay

common let’s grab that can we share okay celebrate the laughter celebrate the

celebrate the laughter celebrate the

celebrate the laughter celebrate the laughter kia kaha stand tall but I’m

laughter kia kaha stand tall but I’m

laughter kia kaha stand tall but I’m talking about not just standing tall in

talking about not just standing tall in

talking about not just standing tall in terms of my personal totem in terms of

terms of my personal totem in terms of

terms of my personal totem in terms of my personal value in terms of my

my personal value in terms of my

my personal value in terms of my personal conviction but having the

personal conviction but having the

personal conviction but having the courage also to find the wisdom to stand

courage also to find the wisdom to stand

courage also to find the wisdom to stand tall above the fray to stand tall with

tall above the fray to stand tall with

tall above the fray to stand tall with my brothers and sisters who at the

my brothers and sisters who at the

my brothers and sisters who at the beginning of this conversation I thought

beginning of this conversation I thought

beginning of this conversation I thought had nothing in common with so there’s

had nothing in common with so there’s

had nothing in common with so there’s two layers involved with that I’m not

two layers involved with that I’m not

two layers involved with that I’m not saying for a moment one gives up one’s

saying for a moment one gives up one’s

saying for a moment one gives up one’s personal value is one gives up one’s

personal value is one gives up one’s

personal value is one gives up one’s personal identity one gives up I am

personal identity one gives up I am

personal identity one gives up I am saying you can’t still transcend that

saying you can’t still transcend that

saying you can’t still transcend that and you can work with others who are

and you can work with others who are

and you can work with others who are prepared to go on that journey and then

prepared to go on that journey and then

prepared to go on that journey and then enable the process at scale scale what

enable the process at scale scale what

enable the process at scale scale what do I mean by scale I mean billions

do I mean by scale I mean billions

do I mean by scale I mean billions living on a planet we’re looking at nine

living on a planet we’re looking at nine

living on a planet we’re looking at nine and a half billion by 2050 80 percent of

and a half billion by 2050 80 percent of

and a half billion by 2050 80 percent of us will be living in cities this is not

us will be living in cities this is not

us will be living in cities this is not hard to do we have the tools we need to

hard to do we have the tools we need to

hard to do we have the tools we need to find the courage Emer a song for us

find the courage Emer a song for us

find the courage Emer a song for us earlier today I said I would acknowledge

earlier today I said I would acknowledge

earlier today I said I would acknowledge her I’ll do that now in closing it – OH

her I’ll do that now in closing it – OH

her I’ll do that now in closing it – OH – Kumar Hanako Maha here total hoot RAAA

– Kumar Hanako Maha here total hoot RAAA

– Kumar Hanako Maha here total hoot RAAA Mary a rota now Tom may take aha kita

Mary a rota now Tom may take aha kita

Mary a rota now Tom may take aha kita fucka tikka Nara MA

fucka tikka Nara MA

fucka tikka Nara MA or tongue qiyamat Oh Kia mama Oh kicking

or tongue qiyamat Oh Kia mama Oh kicking

or tongue qiyamat Oh Kia mama Oh kicking uh ray-ray Kate on your motto here mama

uh ray-ray Kate on your motto here mama

uh ray-ray Kate on your motto here mama hokey King ray ray Tatom

thank you

thank you [Music]

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