hello everyone before I tell you about my few I’d actually like to lick here
my few I’d actually like to lick here
my few I’d actually like to lick here yours so please raise your hand if you
yours so please raise your hand if you
yours so please raise your hand if you agree with the following who would like
agree with the following who would like
agree with the following who would like a world in which we care for each other
a world in which we care for each other
a world in which we care for each other and who would like a world with more
and who would like a world with more
and who would like a world with more equality and who would like everyone in
equality and who would like everyone in
equality and who would like everyone in this world to get a chance to develop
this world to get a chance to develop
this world to get a chance to develop themselves well you know what we have a
themselves well you know what we have a
themselves well you know what we have a chance to make that happen right here
chance to make that happen right here
chance to make that happen right here because there were actually hundreds of
because there were actually hundreds of
because there were actually hundreds of people on the wait list and 50 of them
people on the wait list and 50 of them
people on the wait list and 50 of them have never joined such an event before
have never joined such an event before
have never joined such an event before so we want to give them a chance to have
so we want to give them a chance to have
so we want to give them a chance to have one of the good spots at this event and
one of the good spots at this event and
one of the good spots at this event and are actually standing outside in the
are actually standing outside in the
are actually standing outside in the lobby right now so we put some cards
lobby right now so we put some cards
lobby right now so we put some cards under your seats and if you find one we
under your seats and if you find one we
under your seats and if you find one we ask you to stand up and please give up
ask you to stand up and please give up
ask you to stand up and please give up your spots so please check your seats
so there are no cards so that wasn’t
so there are no cards so that wasn’t true but the relief I spotted over here
true but the relief I spotted over here
true but the relief I spotted over here was very true though and and how can we
was very true though and and how can we
was very true though and and how can we blame you because who doesn’t want a
blame you because who doesn’t want a
blame you because who doesn’t want a better world and keep their entitlements
better world and keep their entitlements
better world and keep their entitlements keep their good chair at the same time
keep their good chair at the same time
keep their good chair at the same time but think about it do our entitlements
but think about it do our entitlements
but think about it do our entitlements sometimes stand in the way of seeing the
sometimes stand in the way of seeing the
sometimes stand in the way of seeing the other perspective and therefore maybe
other perspective and therefore maybe
other perspective and therefore maybe stand in the way of change well knowing
stand in the way of change well knowing
stand in the way of change well knowing we always see the world from our own
we always see the world from our own
we always see the world from our own perspectives from our seated position so
perspectives from our seated position so
perspectives from our seated position so to say it almost seems impossible to
to say it almost seems impossible to
to say it almost seems impossible to know what is truly fair right well my
know what is truly fair right well my
know what is truly fair right well my mother she found a way she didn’t
mother she found a way she didn’t
mother she found a way she didn’t exactly create world peace but she did
exactly create world peace but she did
exactly create world peace but she did create peace at home because as a child
create peace at home because as a child
create peace at home because as a child I had quite a strong focus for fairness
I had quite a strong focus for fairness
I had quite a strong focus for fairness but mostly fairness for me
but mostly fairness for me
but mostly fairness for me so in competition with my two year older
so in competition with my two year older
so in competition with my two year older brother whenever there was something to
brother whenever there was something to
brother whenever there was something to split I was always checking if I wasn’t
split I was always checking if I wasn’t
split I was always checking if I wasn’t getting the lesser option so when I was
getting the lesser option so when I was
getting the lesser option so when I was something to share let’s say a cake my
something to share let’s say a cake my
something to share let’s say a cake my mom would say one of you gets to cut the
mom would say one of you gets to cut the
mom would say one of you gets to cut the cake and the other one gets to pick
cake and the other one gets to pick
cake and the other one gets to pick simple as that because if you don’t know
simple as that because if you don’t know
simple as that because if you don’t know what piece you’ll end up having you
what piece you’ll end up having you
what piece you’ll end up having you better make sure you split it fairly and
better make sure you split it fairly and
better make sure you split it fairly and imagine the world working like this if I
imagine the world working like this if I
imagine the world working like this if I don’t know whether I will end up in the
don’t know whether I will end up in the
don’t know whether I will end up in the Western world or end up having a head
Western world or end up having a head
Western world or end up having a head start or not I’m going to make sure
start or not I’m going to make sure
start or not I’m going to make sure there’s great health care and great
there’s great health care and great
there’s great health care and great education for everyone right I better
education for everyone right I better
education for everyone right I better make sure there’s cake for everyone and
make sure there’s cake for everyone and
make sure there’s cake for everyone and as long as questioning ourselves like
as long as questioning ourselves like
as long as questioning ourselves like this it’s not a common practice we
this it’s not a common practice we
this it’s not a common practice we should stimulate dialogue and creativity
should stimulate dialogue and creativity
should stimulate dialogue and creativity on how to make fair the new normal
on how to make fair the new normal
on how to make fair the new normal because just like normal it’s not a
because just like normal it’s not a
because just like normal it’s not a fixed thing nor is fairness so as the
fixed thing nor is fairness so as the
fixed thing nor is fairness so as the world keeps on changing
world keeps on changing
world keeps on changing let’s explore what we want this thing to
let’s explore what we want this thing to
let’s explore what we want this thing to be now Roenick lee in the real world
be now Roenick lee in the real world
be now Roenick lee in the real world aren’t the people who get to cut first
aren’t the people who get to cut first
aren’t the people who get to cut first usually also the ones who get to pick
usually also the ones who get to pick
usually also the ones who get to pick first people with power how can we deal
first people with power how can we deal
first people with power how can we deal with this how can we make sure that
with this how can we make sure that
with this how can we make sure that anyone can take part in exploring how we
anyone can take part in exploring how we
anyone can take part in exploring how we want society to work for exactly this I
want society to work for exactly this I
want society to work for exactly this I designed a discussion tool together with
designed a discussion tool together with
designed a discussion tool together with hundreds of children and t-shirts and
hundreds of children and t-shirts and
hundreds of children and t-shirts and it’s called Terra Nova mini mass obey
it’s called Terra Nova mini mass obey
it’s called Terra Nova mini mass obey the mini society works like this along
the mini society works like this along
the mini society works like this along the storyline of an island players
the storyline of an island players
the storyline of an island players discuss solutions for societal issues
discuss solutions for societal issues
discuss solutions for societal issues and the game asks you to let go of the
and the game asks you to let go of the
and the game asks you to let go of the world as we know it just imagine if
world as we know it just imagine if
world as we know it just imagine if anything were to be possible how would
anything were to be possible how would
anything were to be possible how would you want it to work but you sit around
you want it to work but you sit around
you want it to work but you sit around this game with other people and we’re
this game with other people and we’re
this game with other people and we’re all trying to apply our own ideals on
all trying to apply our own ideals on
all trying to apply our own ideals on this little piece of land so I’m curious
this little piece of land so I’m curious
this little piece of land so I’m curious what happens then let’s see what happens
what happens then let’s see what happens
what happens then let’s see what happens then let’s imagine that with the
then let’s imagine that with the
then let’s imagine that with the thousands people in this room so look
thousands people in this room so look
thousands people in this room so look around you with all these people here
around you with all these people here
around you with all these people here we’re going to start a new society so
we’re going to start a new society so
we’re going to start a new society so are we going to group ourselves look
are we going to group ourselves look
are we going to group ourselves look around are your neighbors are those the
around are your neighbors are those the
around are your neighbors are those the people that you’re going to live with or
people that you’re going to live with or
people that you’re going to live with or are we free to mingle and moreover who
are we free to mingle and moreover who
are we free to mingle and moreover who is deciding this for us which one of us
is deciding this for us which one of us
is deciding this for us which one of us will become the new leaders of the group
will become the new leaders of the group
will become the new leaders of the group and then daily life starts can I ask you
and then daily life starts can I ask you
and then daily life starts can I ask you for your what’s your name Oh Hank over
for your what’s your name Oh Hank over
for your what’s your name Oh Hank over here has got two large fish really large
here has got two large fish really large
here has got two large fish really large so it’s Hank going to split his fish
so it’s Hank going to split his fish
so it’s Hank going to split his fish with all of you or can you keep them and
with all of you or can you keep them and
with all of you or can you keep them and then everyone wearing something blue
then everyone wearing something blue
then everyone wearing something blue right now becomes ill for a long time
right now becomes ill for a long time
right now becomes ill for a long time who’s going to take care of them and
who’s going to take care of them and
who’s going to take care of them and then for how long are you going to
then for how long are you going to
then for how long are you going to support these people
so these are the exact questions that
so these are the exact questions that players of Terranova whether it’s teams
players of Terranova whether it’s teams
players of Terranova whether it’s teams of nine-year-olds at school or adults of
of nine-year-olds at school or adults of
of nine-year-olds at school or adults of local government the exact question that
local government the exact question that
local government the exact question that they get to deal with on their islands
they get to deal with on their islands
they get to deal with on their islands let’s get an impression of what that
let’s get an impression of what that
let’s get an impression of what that looks like
except on a look for day don’t doubt the
except on a look for day don’t doubt the record of salmon know it kept about this
record of salmon know it kept about this
record of salmon know it kept about this is you’ve got it’ll become a pair of
is you’ve got it’ll become a pair of
is you’ve got it’ll become a pair of somehow two fifties and the andhra
somehow two fifties and the andhra
somehow two fifties and the andhra health rejoice your videos well here you
health rejoice your videos well here you
health rejoice your videos well here you see kids at school and it’s true in two
see kids at school and it’s true in two
see kids at school and it’s true in two weeks a thousand of these games will be
weeks a thousand of these games will be
weeks a thousand of these games will be spread among schools in the netherlands
spread among schools in the netherlands
spread among schools in the netherlands but I’m sure that the adults in this
but I’m sure that the adults in this
but I’m sure that the adults in this room like challenge just as well so
room like challenge just as well so
room like challenge just as well so let’s play one of these ident questions
let’s play one of these ident questions
let’s play one of these ident questions shall we I’m going to read it out and
shall we I’m going to read it out and
shall we I’m going to read it out and then I want to see hands for option A or
then I want to see hands for option A or
then I want to see hands for option A or option B okay here we go
option B okay here we go
option B okay here we go so you’re Orange Islanders want to trade
so you’re Orange Islanders want to trade
so you’re Orange Islanders want to trade their coconuts
their coconuts
their coconuts for these blue people’s fish an equal
for these blue people’s fish an equal
for these blue people’s fish an equal trade is one to one but we know that the
trade is one to one but we know that the
trade is one to one but we know that the blue people’s fish will rot at some
blue people’s fish will rot at some
blue people’s fish will rot at some points and therefore if we wait two
points and therefore if we wait two
points and therefore if we wait two weeks who actually gets twice as much
weeks who actually gets twice as much
weeks who actually gets twice as much and then the blue people did that work
and then the blue people did that work
and then the blue people did that work equally hard for their fish but they
equally hard for their fish but they
equally hard for their fish but they just get less back so these are the
just get less back so these are the
just get less back so these are the options I’d like to see Han so who’s for
options I’d like to see Han so who’s for
options I’d like to see Han so who’s for option a an equal trade right now one to
option a an equal trade right now one to
option a an equal trade right now one to one and who’s for option B way two weeks
one and who’s for option B way two weeks
one and who’s for option B way two weeks but receive more I see so there’s mostly
but receive more I see so there’s mostly
but receive more I see so there’s mostly a minded people in this room and maybe
a minded people in this room and maybe
a minded people in this room and maybe you might also wonder what does it even
you might also wonder what does it even
you might also wonder what does it even matter what we want
matter what we want
matter what we want in the end isn’t it’s the big companies
in the end isn’t it’s the big companies
in the end isn’t it’s the big companies or governments who decide these things
or governments who decide these things
or governments who decide these things and that’s where I’d like to like you
and that’s where I’d like to like you
and that’s where I’d like to like you and and children and anyone who plays
and and children and anyone who plays
and and children and anyone who plays terranova to experience that we decide
terranova to experience that we decide
terranova to experience that we decide every day here you go a can of fish and
every day here you go a can of fish and
every day here you go a can of fish and the second one is free recognize that so
the second one is free recognize that so
the second one is free recognize that so we decide with our choices and someone
we decide with our choices and someone
we decide with our choices and someone pays the price whether it’s fishermen or
pays the price whether it’s fishermen or
pays the price whether it’s fishermen or the environment so we decide what is
the environment so we decide what is
the environment so we decide what is normal in society and therefore there
normal in society and therefore there
normal in society and therefore there are also no right and wrong answers in
are also no right and wrong answers in
are also no right and wrong answers in Terranova but you are challenged to
Terranova but you are challenged to
Terranova but you are challenged to think about what is normal because we
think about what is normal because we
think about what is normal because we give them to keep on viewing something
give them to keep on viewing something
give them to keep on viewing something as normal we seem to just accept it
as normal we seem to just accept it
as normal we seem to just accept it right
right
right we no longer wonder about it or question
we no longer wonder about it or question
we no longer wonder about it or question it and if we do not question we do not
it and if we do not question we do not
it and if we do not question we do not change now you might have noticed in
change now you might have noticed in
change now you might have noticed in practice when it comes to controversial
practice when it comes to controversial
practice when it comes to controversial topics if you’re talking to someone with
topics if you’re talking to someone with
topics if you’re talking to someone with a different opinion and you don’t agree
a different opinion and you don’t agree
a different opinion and you don’t agree the conversation stops we declare that
the conversation stops we declare that
the conversation stops we declare that the other one doesn’t understand the
the other one doesn’t understand the
the other one doesn’t understand the world like we do and that’s that and
world like we do and that’s that and
world like we do and that’s that and then if we talk to someone who we do
then if we talk to someone who we do
then if we talk to someone who we do agree with well actually the more we
agree with well actually the more we
agree with well actually the more we agree the more we want to talk to them
agree the more we want to talk to them
agree the more we want to talk to them and maybe secretly enjoy that feeling of
and maybe secretly enjoy that feeling of
and maybe secretly enjoy that feeling of being right but I was wondering what a
being right but I was wondering what a
being right but I was wondering what a game situation would add to this
game situation would add to this
game situation would add to this equation what if we could talk about
equation what if we could talk about
equation what if we could talk about societal topics in a game play let’s see
societal topics in a game play let’s see
societal topics in a game play let’s see how kids handle the next situations
how kids handle the next situations
how kids handle the next situations newcomers arriving on their islands
yeah those are kids but then the
yeah those are kids but then the ultimate test what happens if we get
ultimate test what happens if we get
ultimate test what happens if we get voters for a right-wing populist party a
voters for a right-wing populist party a
voters for a right-wing populist party a Labour Party and social liberalists to
Labour Party and social liberalists to
Labour Party and social liberalists to figure the same question out together
figure the same question out together
figure the same question out together can they form a society on a new piece
can they form a society on a new piece
can they form a society on a new piece of land let’s check it out yeah so
of land let’s check it out yeah so
of land let’s check it out yeah so anything fell out and Terra Nova and so
anything fell out and Terra Nova and so
anything fell out and Terra Nova and so there’s a lot of diversity in these
there’s a lot of diversity in these
there’s a lot of diversity in these things but there’s actually one thing
things but there’s actually one thing
things but there’s actually one thing that often happens in these mini
that often happens in these mini
that often happens in these mini societies and that’s like one of the
societies and that’s like one of the
societies and that’s like one of the boys in the kids video what he says is
boys in the kids video what he says is
boys in the kids video what he says is the orange people were here first
the orange people were here first
the orange people were here first so they get to decide the rules and then
so they get to decide the rules and then
so they get to decide the rules and then they do say that the blue and orange
they do say that the blue and orange
they do say that the blue and orange people are equals
people are equals
people are equals but then if later on in the game if the
but then if later on in the game if the
but then if later on in the game if the blue people want to host a noisy ritual
blue people want to host a noisy ritual
blue people want to host a noisy ritual or if they make a mistake it’s the
or if they make a mistake it’s the
or if they make a mistake it’s the orange people on their Island who
orange people on their Island who
orange people on their Island who decides who has to leave or what the
decides who has to leave or what the
decides who has to leave or what the rules are even so are they then truly
rules are even so are they then truly
rules are even so are they then truly equals and if they’re not in the
equals and if they’re not in the
equals and if they’re not in the beginning can blue and orange ever
beginning can blue and orange ever
beginning can blue and orange ever become equals then I’ve literally asked
become equals then I’ve literally asked
become equals then I’ve literally asked them like can the blue people ever
them like can the blue people ever
them like can the blue people ever become orange so these are the exact
become orange so these are the exact
become orange so these are the exact questions that I wanted to design
questions that I wanted to design
questions that I wanted to design something for
something for
something for societal challenges and I want to do to
societal challenges and I want to do to
societal challenges and I want to do to do so together with the champions of
do so together with the champions of
do so together with the champions of imagination and also the champions of
imagination and also the champions of
imagination and also the champions of questioning why together with children
questioning why together with children
questioning why together with children and I want to stress not so much for
and I want to stress not so much for
and I want to stress not so much for children but rather with children
children but rather with children
children but rather with children because they are the ones who showed me
because they are the ones who showed me
because they are the ones who showed me that this should be a game because of
that this should be a game because of
that this should be a game because of the game all players are equal
the game all players are equal
the game all players are equal you don’t need prior knowledge so anyone
you don’t need prior knowledge so anyone
you don’t need prior knowledge so anyone can join and if you materialize these
can join and if you materialize these
can join and if you materialize these abstract issues you can actually show
abstract issues you can actually show
abstract issues you can actually show your ideas and another thing kids also
your ideas and another thing kids also
your ideas and another thing kids also never asked me the question of how can I
never asked me the question of how can I
never asked me the question of how can I win this game only adults do in that
win this game only adults do in that
win this game only adults do in that question in that voice so then I like to
question in that voice so then I like to
question in that voice so then I like to ask them back how can you win at society
ask them back how can you win at society
ask them back how can you win at society and are you winning yet are we there yes
and are you winning yet are we there yes
and are you winning yet are we there yes so it’s the exploring that matters and
so it’s the exploring that matters and
so it’s the exploring that matters and then the last thing about kids I admire
then the last thing about kids I admire
then the last thing about kids I admire their openness and sometimes she’s
their openness and sometimes she’s
their openness and sometimes she’s saying huh that’s really weird that I
saying huh that’s really weird that I
saying huh that’s really weird that I thought this how often do we still do
thought this how often do we still do
thought this how often do we still do this so what’s the solution then for a
this so what’s the solution then for a
this so what’s the solution then for a better society a little more empathy
better society a little more empathy
better society a little more empathy well beware because the research says
well beware because the research says
well beware because the research says that we empathize more with people from
that we empathize more with people from
that we empathize more with people from our own social group people who are like
our own social group people who are like
our own social group people who are like us
us
us so our empathy is actually prejudice and
so our empathy is actually prejudice and
so our empathy is actually prejudice and that means it’s not enough to sit on our
that means it’s not enough to sit on our
that means it’s not enough to sit on our chairs and then imagine from there what
chairs and then imagine from there what
chairs and then imagine from there what other people might want we actually have
other people might want we actually have
other people might want we actually have to work to see the other perspective
to work to see the other perspective
to work to see the other perspective well here’s the last example of how that
well here’s the last example of how that
well here’s the last example of how that could work three years ago I was at a
could work three years ago I was at a
could work three years ago I was at a school with kids for mostly higher
school with kids for mostly higher
school with kids for mostly higher educated parents and clearly they were
educated parents and clearly they were
educated parents and clearly they were all very aware of the social accepted
all very aware of the social accepted
all very aware of the social accepted norms so when newcomers came to their
norms so when newcomers came to their
norms so when newcomers came to their islands they said sure we will take care
islands they said sure we will take care
islands they said sure we will take care of them here you go here’s your camp and
of them here you go here’s your camp and
of them here you go here’s your camp and a fish in a tree all set
a fish in a tree all set
a fish in a tree all set so they thought until one girl said what
so they thought until one girl said what
so they thought until one girl said what could be the downsides and she said if
could be the downsides and she said if
could be the downsides and she said if you put them over here separately with
you put them over here separately with
you put them over here separately with their own things they will never get to
their own things they will never get to
their own things they will never get to know each other
know each other
know each other and if you don’t know each other you
and if you don’t know each other you
and if you don’t know each other you could war later on because you can
could war later on because you can
could war later on because you can understand each other well go 11
understand each other well go 11
understand each other well go 11 year-olds but there’s a serious notion
year-olds but there’s a serious notion
year-olds but there’s a serious notion behind this so if we do not organize
behind this so if we do not organize
behind this so if we do not organize something we don’t get to know each
something we don’t get to know each
something we don’t get to know each other because you know what is normal
other because you know what is normal
other because you know what is normal it’s not universal and what is normal is
it’s not universal and what is normal is
it’s not universal and what is normal is also not for a forever so let’s
also not for a forever so let’s
also not for a forever so let’s challenge our own and each other’s
challenge our own and each other’s
challenge our own and each other’s normals and we can start right now
normals and we can start right now
normals and we can start right now think of something you found normal and
think of something you found normal and
think of something you found normal and then go find one person who things
then go find one person who things
then go find one person who things differently talk to them hear their
differently talk to them hear their
differently talk to them hear their perspective maybe you change your ideas
perspective maybe you change your ideas
perspective maybe you change your ideas maybe you don’t but you leave knowing
maybe you don’t but you leave knowing
maybe you don’t but you leave knowing there’s other normals out there and
there’s other normals out there and
there’s other normals out there and that’s relevant anywhere citizens of the
that’s relevant anywhere citizens of the
that’s relevant anywhere citizens of the world but also in the smaller societies
world but also in the smaller societies
world but also in the smaller societies we know at our neighborhoods at work and
we know at our neighborhoods at work and
we know at our neighborhoods at work and at home so next time let’s invite
at home so next time let’s invite
at home so next time let’s invite someone else to cut a cake thank you
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