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Artificial Creativity | Steve Engels | TEDxUofTSalon


my name is Steve angles I’m one of the

my name is Steve angles I’m one of the associate professors in the department

associate professors in the department

associate professors in the department of computer sign

my main thing is to ask or pose one

my main thing is to ask or pose one question of everyone today and that is

question of everyone today and that is

question of everyone today and that is what is the difference mainly behind

what is the difference mainly behind

what is the difference mainly behind computer intelligence and human

computer intelligence and human

computer intelligence and human intelligence now I’ve been working in

intelligence now I’ve been working in

intelligence now I’ve been working in artificial intelligence for a while you

artificial intelligence for a while you

artificial intelligence for a while you know basically since the 90s and ever

know basically since the 90s and ever

know basically since the 90s and ever since I started in AI there’s always

since I started in AI there’s always

since I started in AI there’s always been a standard test to determine

been a standard test to determine

been a standard test to determine whether computers have reached human

whether computers have reached human

whether computers have reached human level intelligence

level intelligence

level intelligence so for the longest time when I was

so for the longest time when I was

so for the longest time when I was growing up that was chess you know if a

growing up that was chess you know if a

growing up that was chess you know if a computer was able to beat humans at

computer was able to beat humans at

computer was able to beat humans at chess they would be intelligent enough

chess they would be intelligent enough

chess they would be intelligent enough to be considered to be smart and so this

to be considered to be smart and so this

to be considered to be smart and so this continued for a while until about 1997

continued for a while until about 1997

continued for a while until about 1997 IBM created deep blue deep blue managed

IBM created deep blue deep blue managed

IBM created deep blue deep blue managed to beat the world reigning champion in

to beat the world reigning champion in

to beat the world reigning champion in chess Garry Kasparov and so it wasn’t

chess Garry Kasparov and so it wasn’t

chess Garry Kasparov and so it wasn’t that people suddenly thought that

that people suddenly thought that

that people suddenly thought that computers were intelligent

computers were intelligent

computers were intelligent they certainly decided you know what we

they certainly decided you know what we

they certainly decided you know what we need to change the bar we need to find

need to change the bar we need to find

need to change the bar we need to find other tests to determine whether

other tests to determine whether

other tests to determine whether computers are actually considered to be

computers are actually considered to be

computers are actually considered to be intelligent or not and there was various

intelligent or not and there was various

intelligent or not and there was various ones some of them we’re trying to say

ones some of them we’re trying to say

ones some of them we’re trying to say what can they know things as well as

what can they know things as well as

what can they know things as well as humans do you know can we actually ask

humans do you know can we actually ask

humans do you know can we actually ask some questions about certain subjects

some questions about certain subjects

some questions about certain subjects and have them answer in intelligent ways

and have them answer in intelligent ways

and have them answer in intelligent ways and so that was considered to be a new

and so that was considered to be a new

and so that was considered to be a new standard of course there’s no way that

standard of course there’s no way that

standard of course there’s no way that computers would be able to hit this

computers would be able to hit this

computers would be able to hit this until about 2011 IBM again came up with

until about 2011 IBM again came up with

until about 2011 IBM again came up with the idea of Watson Watson was able to

the idea of Watson Watson was able to

the idea of Watson Watson was able to read through all sorts of unstructured

read through all sorts of unstructured

read through all sorts of unstructured text and be able to not only understand

text and be able to not only understand

text and be able to not only understand what it was reading but be able to

what it was reading but be able to

what it was reading but be able to answer questions intelligently about it

answer questions intelligently about it

answer questions intelligently about it so what they do they put it on Jeopardy

so what they do they put it on Jeopardy

so what they do they put it on Jeopardy and it beats the reigning jeopardy

and it beats the reigning jeopardy

and it beats the reigning jeopardy champions people who had 170 episodes in

champions people who had 170 episodes in

champions people who had 170 episodes in a row and beat them tidally so they

a row and beat them tidally so they

a row and beat them tidally so they changed the bar again they decided we’re

changed the bar again they decided we’re

changed the bar again they decided we’re going to go back to some games games

going to go back to some games games

going to go back to some games games where humans have never been able to be

where humans have never been able to be

where humans have never been able to be beaten by computers even the amateur

beaten by computers even the amateur

beaten by computers even the amateur players of certain games will never be

players of certain games will never be

players of certain games will never be able to be taken down by the smartest

able to be taken down by the smartest

able to be taken down by the smartest computer and of course the game for this

computer and of course the game for this

computer and of course the game for this case was go and so for a while that was

case was go and so for a while that was

case was go and so for a while that was considered to be you know this was

considered to be you know this was

considered to be you know this was something that was never going to be

something that was never going to be

something that was never going to be beaten until earlier this year google

beaten until earlier this year google

beaten until earlier this year google deepmind and alphago managed to beat the

deepmind and alphago managed to beat the

deepmind and alphago managed to beat the world reigning champion ago so basically

world reigning champion ago so basically

world reigning champion ago so basically every time there’s a standard a test for

every time there’s a standard a test for

every time there’s a standard a test for computer intelligence

computer intelligence

computer intelligence eventually you know some computer beats

eventually you know some computer beats

eventually you know some computer beats it and this is usually the point where

it and this is usually the point where

it and this is usually the point where my friends ask me ok so at what point

my friends ask me ok so at what point

my friends ask me ok so at what point are computers going to start taking over

are computers going to start taking over

are computers going to start taking over the world

the world

the world when is the singularity going to happen

when is the singularity going to happen

when is the singularity going to happen and they’re going

and they’re going

and they’re going slave mankind but you know then they

slave mankind but you know then they

slave mankind but you know then they start thinking you know what it’s not so

start thinking you know what it’s not so

start thinking you know what it’s not so bad when it comes to this race between

bad when it comes to this race between

bad when it comes to this race between human and computer intelligence you know

human and computer intelligence you know

human and computer intelligence you know humans intelligence will always be

humans intelligence will always be

humans intelligence will always be better or superior than computers and

better or superior than computers and

better or superior than computers and you know then they start thinking about

you know then they start thinking about

you know then they start thinking about you know the less harmful robots and

you know the less harmful robots and

you know the less harmful robots and they don’t feel so bad about you know

they don’t feel so bad about you know

they don’t feel so bad about you know being taken over by computers and you

being taken over by computers and you

being taken over by computers and you see this a lot I new ever comes to

see this a lot I new ever comes to

see this a lot I new ever comes to talking about what are the limitations

talking about what are the limitations

talking about what are the limitations that computers have you always hear the

that computers have you always hear the

that computers have you always hear the exact same things well computers are

exact same things well computers are

exact same things well computers are human creations so they’ll never

human creations so they’ll never

human creations so they’ll never outstrip their creators Computers can’t

outstrip their creators Computers can’t

outstrip their creators Computers can’t think for themselves right or they have

think for themselves right or they have

think for themselves right or they have no imagination no creativity now the

no imagination no creativity now the

no imagination no creativity now the first ones silly I mean babies are human

first ones silly I mean babies are human

first ones silly I mean babies are human creations and yet they managed to get

creations and yet they managed to get

creations and yet they managed to get intelligence over a certain amount of

intelligence over a certain amount of

intelligence over a certain amount of time and we know that there’s a lot of

time and we know that there’s a lot of

time and we know that there’s a lot of computers now that can think for

computers now that can think for

computers now that can think for themselves that can make decisions you

themselves that can make decisions you

themselves that can make decisions you know intelligent ones even better than

know intelligent ones even better than

know intelligent ones even better than humans can but it’s the last one whether

humans can but it’s the last one whether

humans can but it’s the last one whether computers are capable of imagination

computers are capable of imagination

computers are capable of imagination that’s the one that I want to address

that’s the one that I want to address

that’s the one that I want to address and for this I’d like to refer back to

and for this I’d like to refer back to

and for this I’d like to refer back to one of those robots taking over the

one of those robots taking over the

one of those robots taking over the world movies I Robot in there there’s a

world movies I Robot in there there’s a

world movies I Robot in there there’s a scene where Will Smith is interviewing

scene where Will Smith is interviewing

scene where Will Smith is interviewing one of the robots and he asks can a

one of the robots and he asks can a

one of the robots and he asks can a robot write a symphony can a robot turn

robot write a symphony can a robot turn

robot write a symphony can a robot turn a canvas into a beautiful masterpiece

a canvas into a beautiful masterpiece

a canvas into a beautiful masterpiece and if anyone’s actually seen the movie

and if anyone’s actually seen the movie

and if anyone’s actually seen the movie you know the response from the robot was

you know the response from the robot was

you know the response from the robot was can you and yeah I know it seems a

can you and yeah I know it seems a

can you and yeah I know it seems a little flippant but really this gets at

little flippant but really this gets at

little flippant but really this gets at the crux of what it means to tell if a

the crux of what it means to tell if a

the crux of what it means to tell if a computer’s intelligent or not it’s can

computer’s intelligent or not it’s can

computer’s intelligent or not it’s can the computer do a task as well as a

the computer do a task as well as a

the computer do a task as well as a human can this is actually called the

human can this is actually called the

human can this is actually called the Turing test and this was invented by

Turing test and this was invented by

Turing test and this was invented by Alan Turing and the idea was I want to

Alan Turing and the idea was I want to

Alan Turing and the idea was I want to be able to say for a given task if a

be able to say for a given task if a

be able to say for a given task if a computer can do as well as a human can

computer can do as well as a human can

computer can do as well as a human can then it is as intelligent at least at

then it is as intelligent at least at

then it is as intelligent at least at that task so this is where the imitation

that task so this is where the imitation

that task so this is where the imitation game came from can you imitate a human’s

game came from can you imitate a human’s

game came from can you imitate a human’s behavior we see a lot of these kinds of

behavior we see a lot of these kinds of

behavior we see a lot of these kinds of examples these days one of them is

examples these days one of them is

examples these days one of them is speech recognition I’m not talking about

speech recognition I’m not talking about

speech recognition I’m not talking about having full conversations with computers

having full conversations with computers

having full conversations with computers I’m just saying can you say something to

I’m just saying can you say something to

I’m just saying can you say something to your phone and have it know what you’re

your phone and have it know what you’re

your phone and have it know what you’re saying and for this you know speech

saying and for this you know speech

saying and for this you know speech recognition you know Siri is pretty good

recognition you know Siri is pretty good

recognition you know Siri is pretty good I mean it’s not perfect but then again

I mean it’s not perfect but then again

I mean it’s not perfect but then again if you looked at how humans perform at

if you looked at how humans perform at

if you looked at how humans perform at this task you would know that humans are

this task you would know that humans are

this task you would know that humans are really bad at this task – so when it

really bad at this task – so when it

really bad at this task – so when it comes to the Turing test

comes to the Turing test

comes to the Turing test maybe computers aren’t perfect but

maybe computers aren’t perfect but

maybe computers aren’t perfect but they’re at least as good and performance

they’re at least as good and performance

they’re at least as good and performance because the humans would be navigation

because the humans would be navigation

because the humans would be navigation if you need to get from point A to point

if you need to get from point A to point

if you need to get from point A to point B our computers are good as good at

B our computers are good as good at

B our computers are good as good at doing this task as humans are some would

doing this task as humans are some would

doing this task as humans are some would say better right they can take in more

say better right they can take in more

say better right they can take in more bits of information about traffic flow

bits of information about traffic flow

bits of information about traffic flow about the time of day then humans would

about the time of day then humans would

about the time of day then humans would ever be able to think of and while we’re

ever be able to think of and while we’re

ever be able to think of and while we’re on the subject of navigation about

on the subject of navigation about

on the subject of navigation about driving you know can you actually have

driving you know can you actually have

driving you know can you actually have computers take over the wheel these days

computers take over the wheel these days

computers take over the wheel these days yes these days there’s this feeling that

yes these days there’s this feeling that

yes these days there’s this feeling that with you know the advances in

with you know the advances in

with you know the advances in self-driving cars it’s going to be a lot

self-driving cars it’s going to be a lot

self-driving cars it’s going to be a lot safer to be in a car that’s driven by a

safer to be in a car that’s driven by a

safer to be in a car that’s driven by a robot then it’s going to be in the car

robot then it’s going to be in the car

robot then it’s going to be in the car driven by a human especially with smart

driven by a human especially with smart

driven by a human especially with smart cities that are going to incorporate

cities that are going to incorporate

cities that are going to incorporate information from all these different

information from all these different

information from all these different sources let’s get back to creativity can

sources let’s get back to creativity can

sources let’s get back to creativity can computers be as creative as humans and

computers be as creative as humans and

computers be as creative as humans and this is something that’s come up a lot

this is something that’s come up a lot

this is something that’s come up a lot more recently because with the advent of

more recently because with the advent of

more recently because with the advent of the advance of neural networks and the

the advance of neural networks and the

the advance of neural networks and the ability to learn off of you know various

ability to learn off of you know various

ability to learn off of you know various sources of data if you have enough data

sources of data if you have enough data

sources of data if you have enough data you can usually learn how to do a task

you can usually learn how to do a task

you can usually learn how to do a task as well as a human can and so this study

as well as a human can and so this study

as well as a human can and so this study is well then if we can learn how to

is well then if we can learn how to

is well then if we can learn how to drive if we can learn how to do speech

drive if we can learn how to do speech

drive if we can learn how to do speech recognition then why can’t we teach them

recognition then why can’t we teach them

recognition then why can’t we teach them creativity with enough data our computer

creativity with enough data our computer

creativity with enough data our computer should be able to take all the things

should be able to take all the things

should be able to take all the things that humans can do regardless of what

that humans can do regardless of what

that humans can do regardless of what the task is and be able to do it as well

the task is and be able to do it as well

the task is and be able to do it as well as a human can as long as we have enough

as a human can as long as we have enough

as a human can as long as we have enough data it’s all just a matter of having

data it’s all just a matter of having

data it’s all just a matter of having sources things that you can use to draw

sources things that you can use to draw

sources things that you can use to draw from in order to create this corpus of

from in order to create this corpus of

from in order to create this corpus of knowledge so this gets into the research

knowledge so this gets into the research

knowledge so this gets into the research that I’ve been doing I start off as a

that I’ve been doing I start off as a

that I’ve been doing I start off as a natural language programmer when I first

natural language programmer when I first

natural language programmer when I first started in AI which meant that I was

started in AI which meant that I was

started in AI which meant that I was doing a lot of things with English text

doing a lot of things with English text

doing a lot of things with English text and what we were doing were things that

and what we were doing were things that

and what we were doing were things that could actually read through English text

could actually read through English text

could actually read through English text and understand the things that is

and understand the things that is

and understand the things that is reading and create models for to be able

reading and create models for to be able

reading and create models for to be able to recognize the patterns within it well

to recognize the patterns within it well

to recognize the patterns within it well we use these same models not just to

we use these same models not just to

we use these same models not just to record and classify text but to be able

record and classify text but to be able

record and classify text but to be able to generate it so we actually said you

to generate it so we actually said you

to generate it so we actually said you know I can take in a bunch of Obama

know I can take in a bunch of Obama

know I can take in a bunch of Obama speeches and we combined all the

speeches and we combined all the

speeches and we combined all the different like language and word

different like language and word

different like language and word constructs that are used and created new

constructs that are used and created new

constructs that are used and created new original speeches in Obama’s style

original speeches in Obama’s style

original speeches in Obama’s style there’s other people who have done

there’s other people who have done

there’s other people who have done things like chatbots where if you’re

things like chatbots where if you’re

things like chatbots where if you’re playing a game online and you’re talking

playing a game online and you’re talking

playing a game online and you’re talking to somebody are you really talking to a

to somebody are you really talking to a

to somebody are you really talking to a person or are you talking to this AI

person or are you talking to this AI

person or are you talking to this AI that’s going a really good imitation

that’s going a really good imitation

that’s going a really good imitation there was an example of someone who

there was an example of someone who

there was an example of someone who actually made a research paper generator

actually made a research paper generator

actually made a research paper generator where it actually created a journal or a

where it actually created a journal or a

where it actually created a journal or a journal article and submitted it to a

journal article and submitted it to a

journal article and submitted it to a conference and got accepted so this is

conference and got accepted so this is

conference and got accepted so this is the sort of thing where computers are

the sort of thing where computers are

the sort of thing where computers are able to create new interesting original

able to create new interesting original

able to create new interesting original text and this led into my research on

text and this led into my research on

text and this led into my research on music generation I have software where

music generation I have software where

music generation I have software where you can feed in music files and it’ll

you can feed in music files and it’ll

you can feed in music files and it’ll actually read through and understand the

actually read through and understand the

actually read through and understand the patterns in the music and be able to

patterns in the music and be able to

patterns in the music and be able to generate original music in that style in

generate original music in that style in

generate original music in that style in real time forever at first it wasn’t

real time forever at first it wasn’t

real time forever at first it wasn’t great it would play things that didn’t

great it would play things that didn’t

great it would play things that didn’t have a lot of direction it was more like

have a lot of direction it was more like

have a lot of direction it was more like a distracted jazz pianist but over time

a distracted jazz pianist but over time

a distracted jazz pianist but over time we’ve managed to build these things and

we’ve managed to build these things and

we’ve managed to build these things and now it’s actually has heard a larger

now it’s actually has heard a larger

now it’s actually has heard a larger scale progression so that it now has the

scale progression so that it now has the

scale progression so that it now has the sense of a start and middle and an end

sense of a start and middle and an end

sense of a start and middle and an end and it actually has like an overall

and it actually has like an overall

and it actually has like an overall musical flow this is one of those things

musical flow this is one of those things

musical flow this is one of those things where you know now I do work in video

where you know now I do work in video

where you know now I do work in video game design people use the software in

game design people use the software in

game design people use the software in order to generate background music for a

order to generate background music for a

order to generate background music for a level and then as you move from one

level and then as you move from one

level and then as you move from one section of a level to another the music

section of a level to another the music

section of a level to another the music will change as it goes from one model to

will change as it goes from one model to

will change as it goes from one model to the next this continued into other areas

the next this continued into other areas

the next this continued into other areas I worked also another video game areas

I worked also another video game areas

I worked also another video game areas like terrain generation so we would

like terrain generation so we would

like terrain generation so we would actually take the the 3d terrain from a

actually take the the 3d terrain from a

actually take the the 3d terrain from a video game level and we would train off

video game level and we would train off

video game level and we would train off of it and be able to generate new

of it and be able to generate new

of it and be able to generate new original video game levels that looked

original video game levels that looked

original video game levels that looked the same or fit in that same kind of

the same or fit in that same kind of

the same or fit in that same kind of environment so this was our contribution

environment so this was our contribution

environment so this was our contribution to things like visual art and anyone

to things like visual art and anyone

to things like visual art and anyone who’s seen some of the work that’s going

who’s seen some of the work that’s going

who’s seen some of the work that’s going on in neural networks has seen that

on in neural networks has seen that

on in neural networks has seen that certain images have been done where

certain images have been done where

certain images have been done where neural networks were trained off of

neural networks were trained off of

neural networks were trained off of existing images and create new original

existing images and create new original

existing images and create new original pieces of art things that no one has

pieces of art things that no one has

pieces of art things that no one has ever seen before and some of these

ever seen before and some of these

ever seen before and some of these neural networks when you don’t give it a

neural networks when you don’t give it a

neural networks when you don’t give it a specific task or a specific domain and

specific task or a specific domain and

specific task or a specific domain and you just let it roam free create some

you just let it roam free create some

you just let it roam free create some things that we’ve never seen before

things that we’ve never seen before

things that we’ve never seen before you know the AI equivalent of dreams so

you know the AI equivalent of dreams so

you know the AI equivalent of dreams so so then this brings us back to the idea

so then this brings us back to the idea

so then this brings us back to the idea of okay so computers are obviously able

of okay so computers are obviously able

of okay so computers are obviously able to generate art but is it any good well

to generate art but is it any good well

to generate art but is it any good well what I opposed to you is is human aren’t

what I opposed to you is is human aren’t

what I opposed to you is is human aren’t any good I mean this is the thing that’s

any good I mean this is the thing that’s

any good I mean this is the thing that’s been argued for a lot of the artwork

been argued for a lot of the artwork

been argued for a lot of the artwork that you’ve seen on the right hand side

that you’ve seen on the right hand side

that you’ve seen on the right hand side you know people have contested what

you know people have contested what

you know people have contested what makes a good piece of art even the piece

makes a good piece of art even the piece

makes a good piece of art even the piece that’s on the bottom right was generated

that’s on the bottom right was generated

that’s on the bottom right was generated by Coco the gorilla is it art

by Coco the gorilla is it art

by Coco the gorilla is it art I’m not sure and neither am i here to

I’m not sure and neither am i here to

I’m not sure and neither am i here to answer that question my whole thing is

answer that question my whole thing is

answer that question my whole thing is just to say well you know what if AI has

just to say well you know what if AI has

just to say well you know what if AI has been making advances in all these

been making advances in all these

been making advances in all these different areas one of the next ones

different areas one of the next ones

different areas one of the next ones that’s going to be advancing into is

that’s going to be advancing into is

that’s going to be advancing into is creativity because really I mean when we

creativity because really I mean when we

creativity because really I mean when we talk about what creativity is one major

talk about what creativity is one major

talk about what creativity is one major thought is it’s really just intelligence

thought is it’s really just intelligence

thought is it’s really just intelligence having fun and whether it’s a human

having fun and whether it’s a human

having fun and whether it’s a human intelligence or an artificial

intelligence or an artificial

intelligence or an artificial intelligence the same rules apply if you

intelligence the same rules apply if you

intelligence the same rules apply if you let this thing train off of existing

let this thing train off of existing

let this thing train off of existing pieces and see where it can go it can

pieces and see where it can go it can

pieces and see where it can go it can create all sorts of interesting things

create all sorts of interesting things

create all sorts of interesting things so I believe that our future is not just

so I believe that our future is not just

so I believe that our future is not just going to be limited by you know what

going to be limited by you know what

going to be limited by you know what kind of things computers are able to

kind of things computers are able to

kind of things computers are able to make we’re actually going to be the ones

make we’re actually going to be the ones

make we’re actually going to be the ones who are teaching these new generations

who are teaching these new generations

who are teaching these new generations of computers how to do new things and in

of computers how to do new things and in

of computers how to do new things and in the end I feel that this is going to be

the end I feel that this is going to be

the end I feel that this is going to be the next thing the next impossible task

the next thing the next impossible task

the next thing the next impossible task that computers are going to be able to

that computers are going to be able to

that computers are going to be able to defeat thank you very much

defeat thank you very much

defeat thank you very much [Applause]

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