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An adventure of interactive art in the Tate Modern | Chris Hunt | TEDxPlymouthUniversity


hello good evening everyone my name’s

hello good evening everyone my name’s Chris I’m a creative technologist and I

Chris I’m a creative technologist and I

Chris I’m a creative technologist and I have to start with a little bit of a

have to start with a little bit of a

have to start with a little bit of a confession now this isn’t really a talk

confession now this isn’t really a talk

confession now this isn’t really a talk about art and it’s not really a talk

about art and it’s not really a talk

about art and it’s not really a talk about technology or interactivity so

about technology or interactivity so

about technology or interactivity so normally when I do one of these things

normally when I do one of these things

normally when I do one of these things I’d show you this slide with lots of

I’d show you this slide with lots of

I’d show you this slide with lots of different technologies and I would talk

different technologies and I would talk

different technologies and I would talk for about seven and a half hours

for about seven and a half hours

for about seven and a half hours non-stop and I like this stuff I get

non-stop and I like this stuff I get

non-stop and I like this stuff I get quite excited this isn’t any of those

quite excited this isn’t any of those

quite excited this isn’t any of those talks this is a talk about making

talks this is a talk about making

talks this is a talk about making something it’s a and I like using the

something it’s a and I like using the

something it’s a and I like using the word adventure with my students when I’m

word adventure with my students when I’m

word adventure with my students when I’m working with them or working with

working with them or working with

working with them or working with clients as well getting them to think

clients as well getting them to think

clients as well getting them to think about their own personal journeys they

about their own personal journeys they

about their own personal journeys they might go through thinking how they

might go through thinking how they

might go through thinking how they change how they evolve when they make

change how they evolve when they make

change how they evolve when they make something where they make an

something where they make an

something where they make an installation work or a bit of research

installation work or a bit of research

installation work or a bit of research or even a TEDx talk what did they go

or even a TEDx talk what did they go

or even a TEDx talk what did they go through what did they change when they

through what did they change when they

through what did they change when they think of that so if you’ll indulge me

think of that so if you’ll indulge me

think of that so if you’ll indulge me I’ll take you through an adventure I

I’ll take you through an adventure I

I’ll take you through an adventure I went on with my group at Plymouth

went on with my group at Plymouth

went on with my group at Plymouth University I dot and we were

University I dot and we were

University I dot and we were commissioned by the Tate Modern for

commissioned by the Tate Modern for

commissioned by the Tate Modern for their new opening for the opening of

their new opening for the opening of

their new opening for the opening of their new extension to develop this is

their new extension to develop this is

their new extension to develop this is where we are this was an installation

where we are this was an installation

where we are this was an installation working with the Tay exchange and my

working with the Tay exchange and my

working with the Tay exchange and my boss the wise old wizard Mike and and be

boss the wise old wizard Mike and and be

boss the wise old wizard Mike and and be the creative director came along pulled

the creative director came along pulled

the creative director came along pulled me in for a coffee and told me of this

me in for a coffee and told me of this

me in for a coffee and told me of this big quest we were going to go on we were

big quest we were going to go on we were

big quest we were going to go on we were gonna make a three and a half meter tall

gonna make a three and a half meter tall

gonna make a three and a half meter tall interactive sculpture which would listen

interactive sculpture which would listen

interactive sculpture which would listen to everything that was going on around

to everything that was going on around

to everything that was going on around it it would understand what’s happening

it it would understand what’s happening

it it would understand what’s happening at the Tay and what’s being said on

at the Tay and what’s being said on

at the Tay and what’s being said on social media and it would reflect that

social media and it would reflect that

social media and it would reflect that back into the space so it would start

back into the space so it would start

back into the space so it would start lighting up it would change sounds it

lighting up it would change sounds it

lighting up it would change sounds it would change behavior oh and by the way

would change behavior oh and by the way

would change behavior oh and by the way you’re going to be able to walk up to it

you’re going to be able to walk up to it

you’re going to be able to walk up to it and touch it and you’re gonna be able to

and touch it and you’re gonna be able to

and touch it and you’re gonna be able to talk to it through a chatbot interface

talk to it through a chatbot interface

talk to it through a chatbot interface and you could be able to feel it and

and you could be able to feel it and

and you could be able to feel it and listen to it oh and by the way there’s

listen to it oh and by the way there’s

listen to it oh and by the way there’s also going to be these robots that run

also going to be these robots that run

also going to be these robots that run around outside it and run after people

around outside it and run after people

around outside it and run after people okay quest accept it

okay quest accept it

okay quest accept it let’s do this we’ve got the lists and

let’s do this we’ve got the lists and

let’s do this we’ve got the lists and things so we start planning out and we

things so we start planning out and we

things so we start planning out and we start figuring out what the team is and

start figuring out what the team is and

start figuring out what the team is and start

start

start modeling everything together so we start

modeling everything together so we start

modeling everything together so we start building our sculpture out these polygon

building our sculpture out these polygon

building our sculpture out these polygon tiles and with that plan with that idea

tiles and with that plan with that idea

tiles and with that plan with that idea we take it down to TR to hand it over to

we take it down to TR to hand it over to

we take it down to TR to hand it over to them and go make that bigger and lucky

them and go make that bigger and lucky

them and go make that bigger and lucky they didn’t tell us to go away and

they didn’t tell us to go away and

they didn’t tell us to go away and through a series of nice action shots

through a series of nice action shots

through a series of nice action shots they built out our frame they created it

they built out our frame they created it

they built out our frame they created it and gave us a space and gave us time

and gave us a space and gave us time

and gave us a space and gave us time into r2 to start applying the technology

into r2 to start applying the technology

into r2 to start applying the technology adding everything together and now we

adding everything together and now we

adding everything together and now we start getting the fellowship together

start getting the fellowship together

start getting the fellowship together now we start building the team with

now we start building the team with

now we start building the team with Simon on the touch on the touch

Simon on the touch on the touch

Simon on the touch on the touch environment Mike and Gary on the sound

environment Mike and Gary on the sound

environment Mike and Gary on the sound and me in the middle middle of it with a

and me in the middle middle of it with a

and me in the middle middle of it with a Raspberry Pi in the corner controlling

Raspberry Pi in the corner controlling

Raspberry Pi in the corner controlling everything and doing all the AIS and

everything and doing all the AIS and

everything and doing all the AIS and behaviors so we start building and

behaviors so we start building and

behaviors so we start building and making this thing and we start gathering

making this thing and we start gathering

making this thing and we start gathering into the tape modern bringing our stuff

into the tape modern bringing our stuff

into the tape modern bringing our stuff with the van and the GoPros and you’ll

with the van and the GoPros and you’ll

with the van and the GoPros and you’ll see the slides later and it’s all signed

see the slides later and it’s all signed

see the slides later and it’s all signed to come together it’s all working it’s

to come together it’s all working it’s

to come together it’s all working it’s all basically there but something’s not

all basically there but something’s not

all basically there but something’s not right there’s a dragon that needs

right there’s a dragon that needs

right there’s a dragon that needs slaying there’s something not quite with

slaying there’s something not quite with

slaying there’s something not quite with it and it’s not the tape themselves it’s

it and it’s not the tape themselves it’s

it and it’s not the tape themselves it’s not the clients because they’re looking

not the clients because they’re looking

not the clients because they’re looking after us they’re keeping us fed they’re

after us they’re keeping us fed they’re

after us they’re keeping us fed they’re bringing brilliant and it’s not the

bringing brilliant and it’s not the

bringing brilliant and it’s not the technology because that’s working and

technology because that’s working and

technology because that’s working and that’s responding to things that’s going

that’s responding to things that’s going

that’s responding to things that’s going on so our sculpture the thing we make

on so our sculpture the thing we make

on so our sculpture the thing we make made was starting to respond to

made was starting to respond to

made was starting to respond to something that was going on outside and

something that was going on outside and

something that was going on outside and we pulled out our phones we had to look

we pulled out our phones we had to look

we pulled out our phones we had to look at Twitter and we realized what was

at Twitter and we realized what was

at Twitter and we realized what was going on we were up the week this

going on we were up the week this

going on we were up the week this happened I think you remember the Battle

happened I think you remember the Battle

happened I think you remember the Battle of the tens where two boats of flotillas

of the tens where two boats of flotillas

of the tens where two boats of flotillas started going and having a bit of a

started going and having a bit of a

started going and having a bit of a shouting match each other that was being

shouting match each other that was being

shouting match each other that was being picked up and reflected and along with a

picked up and reflected and along with a

picked up and reflected and along with a protest and other things that were going

protest and other things that were going

protest and other things that were going on we were starting to seeing okay this

on we were starting to seeing okay this

on we were starting to seeing okay this is working so what’s the issue what’s

is working so what’s the issue what’s

is working so what’s the issue what’s the problem here and it’s not so it’s

the problem here and it’s not so it’s

the problem here and it’s not so it’s not those things and I’ve start to

not those things and I’ve start to

not those things and I’ve start to thinking realize it’s actually our own

thinking realize it’s actually our own

thinking realize it’s actually our own perfection that’s the dragon we need to

perfection that’s the dragon we need to

perfection that’s the dragon we need to set the sleigh because in this space in

set the sleigh because in this space in

set the sleigh because in this space in this time we’re not really getting this

this time we’re not really getting this

this time we’re not really getting this opportunity again we’re at an opening of

opportunity again we’re at an opening of

opportunity again we’re at an opening of a major new extension we’re here in

a major new extension we’re here in

a major new extension we’re here in prime cap

prime cap

prime cap space with a hundred and fifty thousand

space with a hundred and fifty thousand

space with a hundred and fifty thousand people ready to walk up the space and

people ready to walk up the space and

people ready to walk up the space and look at what we’re doing and it starts

look at what we’re doing and it starts

look at what we’re doing and it starts to get oh it’s our anxiety

to get oh it’s our anxiety

to get oh it’s our anxiety it’s our issues oh what’s going on here

it’s our issues oh what’s going on here

it’s our issues oh what’s going on here okay so we need to start thinking you

okay so we need to start thinking you

okay so we need to start thinking you know steam thinking what’s there and in

know steam thinking what’s there and in

know steam thinking what’s there and in the story you would normally get in the

the story you would normally get in the

the story you would normally get in the story in your adventure film you

story in your adventure film you

story in your adventure film you probably get a bit of advice or a hint

probably get a bit of advice or a hint

probably get a bit of advice or a hint at something that would take you through

at something that would take you through

at something that would take you through to the end and for me my hint and bit of

to the end and for me my hint and bit of

to the end and for me my hint and bit of advice was a conversation I had with Lee

advice was a conversation I had with Lee

advice was a conversation I had with Lee Lee’s the Builder of the robot part of

Lee’s the Builder of the robot part of

Lee’s the Builder of the robot part of this project so these were little robots

this project so these were little robots

this project so these were little robots that ran around after the audience and

that ran around after the audience and

that ran around after the audience and kind of ran them over but he started in

kind of ran them over but he started in

kind of ran them over but he started in our minds they started at the start of

our minds they started at the start of

our minds they started at the start of the project as being these really

the project as being these really

the project as being these really complicated things they were gonna be

complicated things they were gonna be

complicated things they were gonna be trapped in the space and were gonna have

trapped in the space and were gonna have

trapped in the space and were gonna have some really interesting AI behaviors and

some really interesting AI behaviors and

some really interesting AI behaviors and Lee kind of ditched all of that he made

Lee kind of ditched all of that he made

Lee kind of ditched all of that he made them really simple he just made them an

them really simple he just made them an

them really simple he just made them an Arduino some servers a really simple bit

Arduino some servers a really simple bit

Arduino some servers a really simple bit of code and some foam batteries powering

of code and some foam batteries powering

of code and some foam batteries powering them on and I decided to have a

them on and I decided to have a

them on and I decided to have a discussion with there I said are you

discussion with there I said are you

discussion with there I said are you sure this is not the thing we made this

sure this is not the thing we made this

sure this is not the thing we made this is not the thing that we were agreeing

is not the thing that we were agreeing

is not the thing that we were agreeing on and talking with him it clicked and

on and talking with him it clicked and

on and talking with him it clicked and what he said to me was that you know

what he said to me was that you know

what he said to me was that you know about the how complex this is you know

about the how complex this is you know

about the how complex this is you know about everything that’s going on but

about everything that’s going on but

about everything that’s going on but your audience don’t your audience don’t

your audience don’t your audience don’t

your audience don’t your audience don’t know the these aren’t as technically

know the these aren’t as technically

know the these aren’t as technically competent or technically difficult or as

competent or technically difficult or as

competent or technically difficult or as advanced as you think they should be all

advanced as you think they should be all

advanced as you think they should be all they know is there some things running

they know is there some things running

they know is there some things running about on the floor as they come upstairs

about on the floor as they come upstairs

about on the floor as they come upstairs and if one of the robots goes off – this

and if one of the robots goes off – this

and if one of the robots goes off – this goes off and tries to go down the stairs

goes off and tries to go down the stairs

goes off and tries to go down the stairs after someone you just pick it up bring

after someone you just pick it up bring

after someone you just pick it up bring it back over and give it a nice telling

it back over and give it a nice telling

it back over and give it a nice telling off you kind of just start performing

off you kind of just start performing

off you kind of just start performing with the technology and kind of the way

with the technology and kind of the way

with the technology and kind of the way you walk up and touch something or you

you walk up and touch something or you

you walk up and touch something or you talk to the thing you’re building the

talk to the thing you’re building the

talk to the thing you’re building the thoughts of the thing that’s there

thoughts of the thing that’s there

thoughts of the thing that’s there you’re kind of filling in the gaps with

you’re kind of filling in the gaps with

you’re kind of filling in the gaps with your own performance

your own performance

your own performance it’s a little bit like how Steve Jobs

it’s a little bit like how Steve Jobs

it’s a little bit like how Steve Jobs demo demonstrate that original iPhone he

demo demonstrate that original iPhone he

demo demonstrate that original iPhone he was going through a very specific set of

was going through a very specific set of

was going through a very specific set of circumstances but his performance were

circumstances but his performance were

circumstances but his performance were there was the thing that carried it

there was the thing that carried it

there was the thing that carried it through the thing that got people

through the thing that got people

through the thing that got people excited even though it was just a

excited even though it was just a

excited even though it was just a process

process

process it was just the baser so with that we

it was just the baser so with that we

it was just the baser so with that we start thinking okay let’s get this all

start thinking okay let’s get this all

start thinking okay let’s get this all together let’s just make sure it works

together let’s just make sure it works

together let’s just make sure it works and it’s robust and let’s use our own

and it’s robust and let’s use our own

and it’s robust and let’s use our own performance let’s walk up and touch

performance let’s walk up and touch

performance let’s walk up and touch things and invite people into the space

things and invite people into the space

things and invite people into the space and we get there we get to the point

and we get there we get to the point

and we get there we get to the point where it’s ready and it’s open and after

where it’s ready and it’s open and after

where it’s ready and it’s open and after our week-long installation process we

our week-long installation process we

our week-long installation process we can open we can open to the space we can

can open we can open to the space we can

can open we can open to the space we can open to the stage and invite everyone

open to the stage and invite everyone

open to the stage and invite everyone into this space now this thing this

into this space now this thing this

into this space now this thing this thing we made was listening to people

thing we made was listening to people

thing we made was listening to people you could touch it and it was following

you could touch it and it was following

you could touch it and it was following people’s hands about and it was leaving

people’s hands about and it was leaving

people’s hands about and it was leaving these messages and memories on social

these messages and memories on social

these messages and memories on social media where people had walked up walked

media where people had walked up walked

media where people had walked up walked up to and touch something and it set a

up to and touch something and it set a

up to and touch something and it set a nice counterpoint to everything else

nice counterpoint to everything else

nice counterpoint to everything else that was in the tape because while the

that was in the tape because while the

that was in the tape because while the tape modern is a modern art gallery not

tape modern is a modern art gallery not

tape modern is a modern art gallery not everything is very interactive or

everything is very interactive or

everything is very interactive or digital so when you have a bunch of

digital so when you have a bunch of

digital so when you have a bunch of people who have come to this new art

people who have come to this new art

people who have come to this new art gallery opening and walking up the space

gallery opening and walking up the space

gallery opening and walking up the space and walking into something and I’m

and walking into something and I’m

and walking into something and I’m realizing oh I’m allowed to play with

realizing oh I’m allowed to play with

realizing oh I’m allowed to play with this that’s something quite magical so

this that’s something quite magical so

this that’s something quite magical so you invite them to come and touch and

you invite them to come and touch and

you invite them to come and touch and you invite them to come and talk talk to

you invite them to come and talk talk to

you invite them to come and talk talk to it or play around with it and it really

it or play around with it and it really

it or play around with it and it really started to respond and get excited about

started to respond and get excited about

started to respond and get excited about what was happening these little Boyd’s

what was happening these little Boyd’s

what was happening these little Boyd’s these little characters that float

these little characters that float

these little characters that float through the sculpture while they

through the sculpture while they

through the sculpture while they slightly melted our unity programmer to

slightly melted our unity programmer to

slightly melted our unity programmer to his brain didn’t really work after we

his brain didn’t really work after we

his brain didn’t really work after we made him get that working in 3d these

made him get that working in 3d these

made him get that working in 3d these little boys are just people’s thoughts

little boys are just people’s thoughts

little boys are just people’s thoughts and emotions that are drifting through

and emotions that are drifting through

and emotions that are drifting through this space and they’re affecting them

this space and they’re affecting them

this space and they’re affecting them over all emotion of the sculpture so

over all emotion of the sculpture so

over all emotion of the sculpture so when the lifts broke it kind of got

when the lifts broke it kind of got

when the lifts broke it kind of got angry with us and the robots were using

angry with us and the robots were using

angry with us and the robots were using were working with the children almost

were working with the children almost

were working with the children almost performing with them as well bringing

performing with them as well bringing

performing with them as well bringing them into a space making them excited

them into a space making them excited

them into a space making them excited and of course because it’s an

and of course because it’s an

and of course because it’s an interactive piece and there’s a nice

interactive piece and there’s a nice

interactive piece and there’s a nice little very expensive LCD screen behind

little very expensive LCD screen behind

little very expensive LCD screen behind the thing we’ve made doing the

the thing we’ve made doing the

the thing we’ve made doing the interpretation and that’s not an

interpretation and that’s not an

interpretation and that’s not an interactive touchscreen

interactive touchscreen

interactive touchscreen and of course all the kids were running

and of course all the kids were running

and of course all the kids were running up touching and making lovely brilliant

up touching and making lovely brilliant

up touching and making lovely brilliant greasy smear marks on a very very

greasy smear marks on a very very

greasy smear marks on a very very expensive LCD screen but then I started

expensive LCD screen but then I started

expensive LCD screen but then I started thinking we’re coming to the end and we

thinking we’re coming to the end and we

thinking we’re coming to the end and we get to we have to now start thinking

get to we have to now start thinking

get to we have to now start thinking about packing up and reflecting on what

about packing up and reflecting on what

about packing up and reflecting on what we’ve done and go at this point it’s the

we’ve done and go at this point it’s the

we’ve done and go at this point it’s the journey back it’s a journey back to the

journey back it’s a journey back to the

journey back it’s a journey back to the Shire with your changes in space changes

Shire with your changes in space changes

Shire with your changes in space changes and thinking what’s the message I’m

and thinking what’s the message I’m

and thinking what’s the message I’m going to bring back – to Plymouth – Ted

going to bring back – to Plymouth – Ted

going to bring back – to Plymouth – Ted or something and here it starts to

or something and here it starts to

or something and here it starts to become something different because the

become something different because the

become something different because the thing itself is now packed up it was

thing itself is now packed up it was

thing itself is now packed up it was only there for three days it’s now put

only there for three days it’s now put

only there for three days it’s now put away it’s in some storage somewhere and

away it’s in some storage somewhere and

away it’s in some storage somewhere and it’s not a thing anymore

it’s not a thing anymore

it’s not a thing anymore so what’s the thing what’s the thing

so what’s the thing what’s the thing

so what’s the thing what’s the thing that’s left behind the thing I created

that’s left behind the thing I created

that’s left behind the thing I created the thing I got to work on and be a part

the thing I got to work on and be a part

the thing I got to work on and be a part of and it’s not the metal work or the

of and it’s not the metal work or the

of and it’s not the metal work or the code because that goes rusty or obsolete

code because that goes rusty or obsolete

code because that goes rusty or obsolete I started to realize that all these

I started to realize that all these

I started to realize that all these interactions these moments and memories

interactions these moments and memories

interactions these moments and memories these exciting things were the things

these exciting things were the things

these exciting things were the things that really mattered and I say I’m a

that really mattered and I say I’m a

that really mattered and I say I’m a creative technologist and then I

creative technologist and then I

creative technologist and then I realized what is the thing I’m creating

realized what is the thing I’m creating

realized what is the thing I’m creating actually it’s not the technology it’s

actually it’s not the technology it’s

actually it’s not the technology it’s not the are it’s the thing that’s left

not the are it’s the thing that’s left

not the are it’s the thing that’s left over it’s the post it’s the memories

over it’s the post it’s the memories

over it’s the post it’s the memories it’s the things that people the stick in

it’s the things that people the stick in

it’s the things that people the stick in people’s mind and towards the end I’ll

people’s mind and towards the end I’ll

people’s mind and towards the end I’ll show you these these two things that

show you these these two things that

show you these these two things that resonated with me and stuck will stick

resonated with me and stuck will stick

resonated with me and stuck will stick with me forever

with me forever

with me forever is when it responded to someone asking

is when it responded to someone asking

is when it responded to someone asking about love and it changed its sound it

about love and it changed its sound it

about love and it changed its sound it changed its lighting and really just

changed its lighting and really just

changed its lighting and really just fired people’s eyes up and baby Otis

fired people’s eyes up and baby Otis

fired people’s eyes up and baby Otis relaxing not unlike after I’ve done

relaxing not unlike after I’ve done

relaxing not unlike after I’ve done after working on this for a couple of

after working on this for a couple of

after working on this for a couple of months just lying underneath it watching

months just lying underneath it watching

months just lying underneath it watching people’s thoughts and be people’s social

people’s thoughts and be people’s social

people’s thoughts and be people’s social media flying past them and maybe that’s

media flying past them and maybe that’s

media flying past them and maybe that’s the thing I bring back maybe that’s the

the thing I bring back maybe that’s the

the thing I bring back maybe that’s the thing

thing

thing after you cleared out the space after

after you cleared out the space after

after you cleared out the space after you’ve moved on what you’ve left behind

you’ve moved on what you’ve left behind

you’ve moved on what you’ve left behind is those moments and memories

is those moments and memories

is those moments and memories and those are what sticking stick with

and those are what sticking stick with

and those are what sticking stick with people and those are the things your

people and those are the things your

people and those are the things your engineering the things you’re creating

engineering the things you’re creating

engineering the things you’re creating if you’re making an app you’re

if you’re making an app you’re

if you’re making an app you’re connecting people to other people if

connecting people to other people if

connecting people to other people if you’re making a website you’re providing

you’re making a website you’re providing

you’re making a website you’re providing a service but you’re making things

a service but you’re making things

a service but you’re making things happen you’re giving people emotions and

happen you’re giving people emotions and

happen you’re giving people emotions and memories and things that will stick with

memories and things that will stick with

memories and things that will stick with them for the rest of their life and I

them for the rest of their life and I

them for the rest of their life and I hope that’s something you can have take

hope that’s something you can have take

hope that’s something you can have take with you after today and thank you very

with you after today and thank you very

with you after today and thank you very much

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