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Guest Appearance on The Weekly with Charlie Pickering


my guest tonight has written Creed

my guest tonight has written Creed best-selling books and his TED talk on

best-selling books and his TED talk on

best-selling books and his TED talk on inspiring leadership is one of the

inspiring leadership is one of the

inspiring leadership is one of the most-watched of all-time with more than

most-watched of all-time with more than

most-watched of all-time with more than 30 million views when he talks it is

30 million views when he talks it is

30 million views when he talks it is impossible not to listen

impossible not to listen

impossible not to listen leadership is a choice it is not a rank

leadership is a choice it is not a rank

leadership is a choice it is not a rank I know many people of the senior-most

I know many people of the senior-most

I know many people of the senior-most levels of organizations who are

levels of organizations who are

levels of organizations who are absolutely not leaders they are

absolutely not leaders they are

absolutely not leaders they are authorities and we do what they say

authorities and we do what they say

authorities and we do what they say because they have authority over us but

because they have authority over us but

because they have authority over us but we would not follow them a hero for

we would not follow them a hero for

we would not follow them a hero for anyone who thinks they can do a better

anyone who thinks they can do a better

anyone who thinks they can do a better job than their boss please welcome Simon

job than their boss please welcome Simon

job than their boss please welcome Simon tener venir

tener venir

tener venir let’s start with leadership okay I think

let’s start with leadership okay I think

let’s start with leadership okay I think it’s safe to say that the leadership in

it’s safe to say that the leadership in

it’s safe to say that the leadership in the world at the moment is in a bit of a

the world at the moment is in a bit of a

the world at the moment is in a bit of a state it looks that way is that their

state it looks that way is that their

state it looks that way is that their fault or our fault I think that our

fault or our fault I think that our

fault or our fault I think that our politicians are a reflection of us I

politicians are a reflection of us I

politicians are a reflection of us I think when we indict our leaders and say

think when we indict our leaders and say

think when we indict our leaders and say that their divisive and that their they

that their divisive and that their they

that their divisive and that their they don’t play well with each other they

don’t play well with each other they

don’t play well with each other they lack vision I quite frankly think that’s

lack vision I quite frankly think that’s

lack vision I quite frankly think that’s a reflection of us I think our

a reflection of us I think our

a reflection of us I think our politicians are a mirror and before

politicians are a mirror and before

politicians are a mirror and before we’re so quick to criticize I think we

we’re so quick to criticize I think we

we’re so quick to criticize I think we should look at ourselves and take some

should look at ourselves and take some

should look at ourselves and take some accountability I think we’re the ones

accountability I think we’re the ones

accountability I think we’re the ones that could be a little more open-minded

that could be a little more open-minded

that could be a little more open-minded to the ideas of others I think we’re the

to the ideas of others I think we’re the

to the ideas of others I think we’re the ones that could communicate communicate

ones that could communicate communicate

ones that could communicate communicate across party lines and listen a lot

across party lines and listen a lot

across party lines and listen a lot better I can say how do we how do we do

better I can say how do we how do we do

better I can say how do we how do we do that because I mean when an election

that because I mean when an election

that because I mean when an election rolls around there are professional

rolls around there are professional

rolls around there are professional political outfits just feeding up media

political outfits just feeding up media

political outfits just feeding up media all the time I don’t feel like Donald

all the time I don’t feel like Donald

all the time I don’t feel like Donald Trump ever picked up the phone and asked

Trump ever picked up the phone and asked

Trump ever picked up the phone and asked me to listen to any of his ideas well

me to listen to any of his ideas well

me to listen to any of his ideas well Donald Trump was a rejection of the

Donald Trump was a rejection of the

Donald Trump was a rejection of the incumbency I mean we’ve had a very

incumbency I mean we’ve had a very

incumbency I mean we’ve had a very divided Congress for more than a decade

divided Congress for more than a decade

divided Congress for more than a decade where it’s become very left and very

where it’s become very left and very

where it’s become very left and very right and nothing in the middle

right and nothing in the middle

right and nothing in the middle they’ve got nothing done their approval

they’ve got nothing done their approval

they’ve got nothing done their approval rating something like 9% I mean it’s

rating something like 9% I mean it’s

rating something like 9% I mean it’s really embarrassing and I think people

really embarrassing and I think people

really embarrassing and I think people are just fed up with anything that looks

are just fed up with anything that looks

are just fed up with anything that looks like what we’re used to and so it’s a

like what we’re used to and so it’s a

like what we’re used to and so it’s a shot across the bow to everyone else

shot across the bow to everyone else

shot across the bow to everyone else it’s not necessarily about for Donald

it’s not necessarily about for Donald

it’s not necessarily about for Donald Trump it’s a vote against whatever we

Trump it’s a vote against whatever we

Trump it’s a vote against whatever we have what makes a lady compared to a

have what makes a lady compared to a

have what makes a lady compared to a boss so a boss is someone who likes to

boss so a boss is someone who likes to

boss so a boss is someone who likes to think of themselves as the bus I like to

think of themselves as the bus I like to

think of themselves as the bus I like to think of themselves in charge and a

think of themselves in charge and a

think of themselves in charge and a leader is someone who sees themselves in

leader is someone who sees themselves in

leader is someone who sees themselves in service to some higher cause and

service to some higher cause and

service to some higher cause and definitely to their people

definitely to their people

definitely to their people leadership is not about being in charge

leadership is not about being in charge

leadership is not about being in charge it’s about taking care of those in your

it’s about taking care of those in your

it’s about taking care of those in your charge the closest thing to leadership

charge the closest thing to leadership

charge the closest thing to leadership is being a parent yes you have all the

is being a parent yes you have all the

is being a parent yes you have all the authority yes you have all the power but

authority yes you have all the power but

authority yes you have all the power but you’re responsible for the bringing up

you’re responsible for the bringing up

you’re responsible for the bringing up others around you helping them build

others around you helping them build

others around you helping them build their confidence and see that they can

their confidence and see that they can

their confidence and see that they can achieve more than you so leadership is

achieve more than you so leadership is

achieve more than you so leadership is exactly the same thing so what leaders

exactly the same thing so what leaders

exactly the same thing so what leaders inspire you who are your favourite

inspire you who are your favourite

inspire you who are your favourite leaders so I mean I like all the big

leaders so I mean I like all the big

leaders so I mean I like all the big ones you know you’re Gandhi’s and Martin

ones you know you’re Gandhi’s and Martin

ones you know you’re Gandhi’s and Martin Luther King but there’s there’s a lot of

Luther King but there’s there’s a lot of

Luther King but there’s there’s a lot of leaders that that I turn to or look to

leaders that that I turn to or look to

leaders that that I turn to or look to for inspiration are not public and not

for inspiration are not public and not

for inspiration are not public and not well-known many of them wear uniforms

well-known many of them wear uniforms

well-known many of them wear uniforms I’ve become very close with some folks

I’ve become very close with some folks

I’ve become very close with some folks in the military I think they’re

in the military I think they’re

in the military I think they’re misunderstood very very often by the

misunderstood very very often by the

misunderstood very very often by the general public and I met people who I’ve

general public and I met people who I’ve

general public and I met people who I’ve cried with more than I’ve ever cried

cried with more than I’ve ever cried

cried with more than I’ve ever cried with anybody in a suit I’ve hugged more

with anybody in a suit I’ve hugged more

with anybody in a suit I’ve hugged more often than I’ve ever hugged anybody in a

often than I’ve ever hugged anybody in a

often than I’ve ever hugged anybody in a suit and you know in in business we have

suit and you know in in business we have

suit and you know in in business we have things called colleagues and co-workers

things called colleagues and co-workers

things called colleagues and co-workers but in the military they have brothers

but in the military they have brothers

but in the military they have brothers and sisters and it’s that that kind of

and sisters and it’s that that kind of

and sisters and it’s that that kind of intense relationship that I that I love

intense relationship that I that I love

intense relationship that I that I love so much and learn so much about so

so much and learn so much about so

so much and learn so much about so you’ve learned a lot about leadership

you’ve learned a lot about leadership

you’ve learned a lot about leadership over your time and you are a

over your time and you are a

over your time and you are a motivational speaker you speak to

motivational speaker you speak to

motivational speaker you speak to inspiration well inspiration okay so is

inspiration well inspiration okay so is

inspiration well inspiration okay so is that just because a motivational speaker

that just because a motivational speaker

that just because a motivational speaker sounds so 90s 84 yeah I just like it I

sounds so 90s 84 yeah I just like it I

sounds so 90s 84 yeah I just like it I didn’t set out to be a speaker I’m very

didn’t set out to be a speaker I’m very

didn’t set out to be a speaker I’m very very lucky that I have ideas that people

very lucky that I have ideas that people

very lucky that I have ideas that people request me to come speak but it’s very

request me to come speak but it’s very

request me to come speak but it’s very self helpy the whole but you know I

self helpy the whole but you know I

self helpy the whole but you know I think of yeah no not me for someone

think of yeah no not me for someone

think of yeah no not me for someone watching this what’s something that I

watching this what’s something that I

watching this what’s something that I could do to be a better person saying

could do to be a better person saying

could do to be a better person saying their workplace or in their life oh yeah

their workplace or in their life oh yeah

their workplace or in their life oh yeah so so one of the things you can do is

so so one of the things you can do is

so so one of the things you can do is practice speaking last you know we’re

practice speaking last you know we’re

practice speaking last you know we’re constantly told you have to be a good

constantly told you have to be a good

constantly told you have to be a good listener but communication goes both

listener but communication goes both

listener but communication goes both ways you get to speak and you get to

ways you get to speak and you get to

ways you get to speak and you get to listen yeah that would literally not

listen yeah that would literally not

listen yeah that would literally not work it would more joy wouldn’t working

work it would more joy wouldn’t working

work it would more joy wouldn’t working a job well so Nelson Mandela is

a job well so Nelson Mandela is

a job well so Nelson Mandela is universally regarded as one of the

universally regarded as one of the

universally regarded as one of the world’s best leaders you know different

world’s best leaders you know different

world’s best leaders you know different people are regarded differently

people are regarded differently

people are regarded differently depending on where you go but Nelson

depending on where you go but Nelson

depending on where you go but Nelson Mandela is important because everyone

Mandela is important because everyone

Mandela is important because everyone thought he was great and he was actually

thought he was great and he was actually

thought he was great and he was actually the son of a tribal chief and was asked

the son of a tribal chief and was asked

the son of a tribal chief and was asked by a journalist how did you learn to be

by a journalist how did you learn to be

by a journalist how did you learn to be a great leader and he said when I was

a great leader and he said when I was

a great leader and he said when I was younger I remember going to tribal

younger I remember going to tribal

younger I remember going to tribal meetings with my father and I remember

meetings with my father and I remember

meetings with my father and I remember two things one they always sat in a

two things one they always sat in a

two things one they always sat in a circle and two my father was always the

circle and two my father was always the

circle and two my father was always the last to speak

last to speak

last to speak and if you think about how we conduct

and if you think about how we conduct

and if you think about how we conduct meetings so often we walk in and say

meetings so often we walk in and say

meetings so often we walk in and say okay guys here’s the problem here’s what

okay guys here’s the problem here’s what

okay guys here’s the problem here’s what I think we should do but I’m interested

I think we should do but I’m interested

I think we should do but I’m interested in what you have to say let’s go around

in what you have to say let’s go around

in what you have to say let’s go around the room it’s too late

the room it’s too late

the room it’s too late you bias the room or people don’t feel

you bias the room or people don’t feel

you bias the room or people don’t feel heard and the strength it takes to not

heard and the strength it takes to not

heard and the strength it takes to not say anything and not even give away what

say anything and not even give away what

say anything and not even give away what your ideas are and let people contribute

your ideas are and let people contribute

your ideas are and let people contribute not only do they feel heard you actually

not only do they feel heard you actually

not only do they feel heard you actually get the benefit of everything they they

get the benefit of everything they they

get the benefit of everything they they have to they have to say so just

have to they have to say so just

have to they have to say so just practicing speaking last is a big is a

practicing speaking last is a big is a

practicing speaking last is a big is a big one now we’ve already heard in the

big one now we’ve already heard in the

big one now we’ve already heard in the show tonight that Millennials aren’t

show tonight that Millennials aren’t

show tonight that Millennials aren’t having enough sex with terrifying and

having enough sex with terrifying and

having enough sex with terrifying and important but but is the future in safe

important but but is the future in safe

important but but is the future in safe hands

hands

hands Millennials a good hope I think every

Millennials a good hope I think every

Millennials a good hope I think every generation is a good hope I mean you

generation is a good hope I mean you

generation is a good hope I mean you know we never know what’s going to

know we never know what’s going to

know we never know what’s going to happen they like every generation prior

happen they like every generation prior

happen they like every generation prior to them have been molded by the events

to them have been molded by the events

to them have been molded by the events of their upbringing and there are some

of their upbringing and there are some

of their upbringing and there are some significant important things that we

significant important things that we

significant important things that we have to remember is greatest technology

have to remember is greatest technology

have to remember is greatest technology as it comes with a liability the thing

as it comes with a liability the thing

as it comes with a liability the thing that concerns me most about the

that concerns me most about the

that concerns me most about the millennial generation is the addiction

millennial generation is the addiction

millennial generation is the addiction to technology we’re all addicted to

to technology we’re all addicted to

to technology we’re all addicted to technology but they grew up with the

technology but they grew up with the

technology but they grew up with the addiction and the statistics are sort of

addiction and the statistics are sort of

addiction and the statistics are sort of alarming which is you compare it to

alarming which is you compare it to

alarming which is you compare it to alcohol and dopamine is the chemical

alcohol and dopamine is the chemical

alcohol and dopamine is the chemical that is released when we drink smoke or

that is released when we drink smoke or

that is released when we drink smoke or gamble that makes us actually addicted

gamble that makes us actually addicted

gamble that makes us actually addicted to those things it’s the same chemical

to those things it’s the same chemical

to those things it’s the same chemical that’s released when our phones go buzz

that’s released when our phones go buzz

that’s released when our phones go buzz or Bing when somebody discovers alcohol

or Bing when somebody discovers alcohol

or Bing when somebody discovers alcohol and starts drinking prior to the age of

and starts drinking prior to the age of

and starts drinking prior to the age of 15 40 percent of them will become

15 40 percent of them will become

15 40 percent of them will become alcoholics if they just wait until

alcoholics if they just wait until

alcoholics if they just wait until they’re I think 19 the number drops down

they’re I think 19 the number drops down

they’re I think 19 the number drops down something like 8% and so if we’re

something like 8% and so if we’re

something like 8% and so if we’re getting open access to an addictive

getting open access to an addictive

getting open access to an addictive device like a cellphone or social media

device like a cellphone or social media

device like a cellphone or social media to kids under 15 the odds are incredibly

to kids under 15 the odds are incredibly

to kids under 15 the odds are incredibly high 40% will have an addiction later on

high 40% will have an addiction later on

high 40% will have an addiction later on in life and like all addiction it means

in life and like all addiction it means

in life and like all addiction it means they’ll struggle with human

they’ll struggle with human

they’ll struggle with human relationships they’ll struggle dealing

relationships they’ll struggle dealing

relationships they’ll struggle dealing with stress and this is what what scares

with stress and this is what what scares

with stress and this is what what scares me so much which we have age

me so much which we have age

me so much which we have age restrictions on tobacco we have age

restrictions on tobacco we have age

restrictions on tobacco we have age restrictions on you know alcohol and

restrictions on you know alcohol and

restrictions on you know alcohol and gambling but we have no age restrictions

gambling but we have no age restrictions

gambling but we have no age restrictions on social media or cell phones and yet

on social media or cell phones and yet

on social media or cell phones and yet it’s just as dangerous so I love

it’s just as dangerous so I love

it’s just as dangerous so I love Millennials so so many things are so

Millennials so so many things are so

Millennials so so many things are so open to others they’re much more open

open to others they’re much more open

open to others they’re much more open than older generations to the sexuality

than older generations to the sexuality

than older generations to the sexuality or gender identity of others they speak

or gender identity of others they speak

or gender identity of others they speak out

out

out when they when they don’t when they work

when they when they don’t when they work

when they when they don’t when they work for a company that doesn’t offer them a

for a company that doesn’t offer them a

for a company that doesn’t offer them a sense of purpose or cause older

sense of purpose or cause older

sense of purpose or cause older generations just suffer in silence and

generations just suffer in silence and

generations just suffer in silence and hate their job it’s called having a job

hate their job it’s called having a job

hate their job it’s called having a job it’s about having a job that is part of

it’s about having a job that is part of

it’s about having a job that is part of it – yeah but

it – yeah but

it – yeah but and so I I love them and I’m hopeful for

and so I I love them and I’m hopeful for

and so I I love them and I’m hopeful for it but I am concerned about the

it but I am concerned about the

it but I am concerned about the addiction and their ability to deal with

addiction and their ability to deal with

addiction and their ability to deal with stress as adults a disproportionately

stress as adults a disproportionately

stress as adults a disproportionately high number will struggle you broke the

high number will struggle you broke the

high number will struggle you broke the internet recently when you said that

internet recently when you said that

internet recently when you said that Millennials suffer from what you called

Millennials suffer from what you called

Millennials suffer from what you called failed parenting strategies I have a

failed parenting strategies I have a

failed parenting strategies I have a look at this they were told that they

look at this they were told that they

look at this they were told that they were special all the time they were told

were special all the time they were told

were special all the time they were told that they had anything they want in life

that they had anything they want in life

that they had anything they want in life just because they want it some of them

just because they want it some of them

just because they want it some of them got into honors classes not because they

got into honors classes not because they

got into honors classes not because they deserved it but because their parents

deserved it but because their parents

deserved it but because their parents complained and some of them got a is not

complained and some of them got a is not

complained and some of them got a is not because they earned them but because the

because they earned them but because the

because they earned them but because the teacher didn’t want to deal with the

teacher didn’t want to deal with the

teacher didn’t want to deal with the parents some kids got participation

parents some kids got participation

parents some kids got participation medals you got a medal for coming in

medals you got a medal for coming in

medals you got a medal for coming in laughs Wow let’s say some real support

laughs Wow let’s say some real support

laughs Wow let’s say some real support for that now true or not it’s a brave

for that now true or not it’s a brave

for that now true or not it’s a brave man who goes around telling parents

man who goes around telling parents

man who goes around telling parents they’re not doing a good job basically a

they’re not doing a good job basically a

they’re not doing a good job basically a guy without kids yeah that’s right so

guy without kids yeah that’s right so

guy without kids yeah that’s right so where do you get off so the funny thing

where do you get off so the funny thing

where do you get off so the funny thing is that most of that data comes from

is that most of that data comes from

is that most of that data comes from parents themselves it’s it’s actually

parents themselves it’s it’s actually

parents themselves it’s it’s actually not sort of parenting experts looking

not sort of parenting experts looking

not sort of parenting experts looking back at parents and saying you screwed

back at parents and saying you screwed

back at parents and saying you screwed up it’s actually a lot of parents now

up it’s actually a lot of parents now

up it’s actually a lot of parents now looking back at what they did in saying

looking back at what they did in saying

looking back at what they did in saying ooh maybe that no you know so if you

ooh maybe that no you know so if you

ooh maybe that no you know so if you look at the data it’s actually the

look at the data it’s actually the

look at the data it’s actually the parents themselves and a lot of the

parents themselves and a lot of the

parents themselves and a lot of the things they tried parenting experts are

things they tried parenting experts are

things they tried parenting experts are also weighing and said it didn’t work um

also weighing and said it didn’t work um

also weighing and said it didn’t work um I’ve got to say I mean nightly

I’ve got to say I mean nightly

I’ve got to say I mean nightly suspicious of anyone who is

suspicious of anyone who is

suspicious of anyone who is overwhelmingly positive all the time

overwhelmingly positive all the time

overwhelmingly positive all the time yeah and I’m just curious what do you

yeah and I’m just curious what do you

yeah and I’m just curious what do you crap at yeah I’m bad at a lot of things

crap at yeah I’m bad at a lot of things

crap at yeah I’m bad at a lot of things I’m sort of a big baby I can’t like like

I’m sort of a big baby I can’t like like

I’m sort of a big baby I can’t like like for me to get my lucky incontinent oh no

for me to get my lucky incontinent oh no

for me to get my lucky incontinent oh no no no that’s not something I would admit

no no that’s not something I would admit

no no that’s not something I would admit on national no I like for me to get my

on national no I like for me to get my

on national no I like for me to get my work done I actually have a like this

work done I actually have a like this

work done I actually have a like this for when I write a book I shouldn’t be

for when I write a book I shouldn’t be

for when I write a book I shouldn’t be saying this on television either when I

saying this on television either when I

saying this on television either when I have to write a book I actually have a

have to write a book I actually have a

have to write a book I actually have a babysitter that’s what her title is

babysitter that’s what her title is

babysitter that’s what her title is she’s my babysitter who comes over and

she’s my babysitter who comes over and

she’s my babysitter who comes over and her entire job is to just sit in my

her entire job is to just sit in my

her entire job is to just sit in my apartment to make sure that I’m working

apartment to make sure that I’m working

apartment to make sure that I’m working because I actually I have no discipline

because I actually I have no discipline

because I actually I have no discipline otherwise I’ll just watch me

otherwise I’ll just watch me

otherwise I’ll just watch me so you’ve got a nanny I know she’s

so you’ve got a nanny I know she’s

so you’ve got a nanny I know she’s babysitter no not even at the level of

babysitter no not even at the level of

babysitter no not even at the level of nanny no I know she changed you know

nanny no I know she changed you know

nanny no I know she changed you know there’s no exact way that’s remarkable

there’s no exact way that’s remarkable

there’s no exact way that’s remarkable because you say that out loud is so it

because you say that out loud is so it

because you say that out loud is so it should be judged and the more you said

should be judged and the more you said

should be judged and the more you said was like yes it’s that is exactly what I

was like yes it’s that is exactly what I

was like yes it’s that is exactly what I need in my life it I have to admit you

need in my life it I have to admit you

need in my life it I have to admit you know I it works brilliantly it’s just

know I it works brilliantly it’s just

know I it works brilliantly it’s just somebody who like because I will just

somebody who like because I will just

somebody who like because I will just surf the internet otherwise all day and

surf the internet otherwise all day and

surf the internet otherwise all day and when somebody goes are you working out

when somebody goes are you working out

when somebody goes are you working out yes yes you knows we’re working and

yes yes you knows we’re working and

yes yes you knows we’re working and having somebody there I work better so

having somebody there I work better so

having somebody there I work better so my most productive days are when my

my most productive days are when my

my most productive days are when my babysit is over now speaking of writing

babysit is over now speaking of writing

babysit is over now speaking of writing books your latest book the release in

books your latest book the release in

books your latest book the release in America and Taiwan I think had a page

America and Taiwan I think had a page

America and Taiwan I think had a page that smells of optimism one page yeah

that smells of optimism one page yeah

that smells of optimism one page yeah what does optimism smell like it I can’t

what does optimism smell like it I can’t

what does optimism smell like it I can’t tell it’s like what is it what you know

tell it’s like what is it what you know

tell it’s like what is it what you know what I know what I’m familiar with fear

what I know what I’m familiar with fear

what I know what I’m familiar with fear yeah yeah I know what that smells like

yeah yeah I know what that smells like

yeah yeah I know what that smells like yeah it’s like bananas I don’t know I

yeah it’s like bananas I don’t know I

yeah it’s like bananas I don’t know I can’t describe it it’s like how do you

can’t describe it it’s like how do you

can’t describe it it’s like how do you describe to Beethoven’s Symphony it has

describe to Beethoven’s Symphony it has

describe to Beethoven’s Symphony it has notes and those notes you can play

notes and those notes you can play

notes and those notes you can play chopsticks or you can play a Beethoven

chopsticks or you can play a Beethoven

chopsticks or you can play a Beethoven symphony and so the same thing goes in

symphony and so the same thing goes in

symphony and so the same thing goes in here there are notes of smell put

here there are notes of smell put

here there are notes of smell put together in a way that is complicated

together in a way that is complicated

together in a way that is complicated and deep and wonderful and makes you

and deep and wonderful and makes you

and deep and wonderful and makes you feel optimistic highly recommend it you

feel optimistic highly recommend it you

feel optimistic highly recommend it you could have a scent for the show yeah

could have a scent for the show yeah

could have a scent for the show yeah some would say it already does Simon has

some would say it already does Simon has

some would say it already does Simon has events in Melbourne and Sydney this week

events in Melbourne and Sydney this week

events in Melbourne and Sydney this week would you please thanks Simon to Nick

would you please thanks Simon to Nick

would you please thanks Simon to Nick [Applause]

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