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so a lot happens lots starts here in

so a lot happens lots starts here in Washington DC for me it was my career

Washington DC for me it was my career

Washington DC for me it was my career there’s a lot of else that’s going on

there’s a lot of else that’s going on

there’s a lot of else that’s going on here too which is that Washington has

here too which is that Washington has

here too which is that Washington has the distinction of being one of the

the distinction of being one of the

the distinction of being one of the great capitals of the world for cocaine

great capitals of the world for cocaine

great capitals of the world for cocaine consumption there’s greater per capita

consumption there’s greater per capita

consumption there’s greater per capita cocaine use here particularly among

cocaine use here particularly among

cocaine use here particularly among white-collar workers

white-collar workers

white-collar workers second only to New York so what I want

second only to New York so what I want

second only to New York so what I want to do is begin in this point of

to do is begin in this point of

to do is begin in this point of consumption of cocaine consumption and

consumption of cocaine consumption and

consumption of cocaine consumption and take you back down the commodity chain

take you back down the commodity chain

take you back down the commodity chain not to where we typically think of when

not to where we typically think of when

not to where we typically think of when we see these crazy maps full of arrows

we see these crazy maps full of arrows

we see these crazy maps full of arrows pointing north not back to where coca is

pointing north not back to where coca is

pointing north not back to where coca is grown in cocaine is produced in South

grown in cocaine is produced in South

grown in cocaine is produced in South America but rather I want to take you

America but rather I want to take you

America but rather I want to take you halfway back down the commodity chain to

halfway back down the commodity chain to

halfway back down the commodity chain to those areas hiding under those red

those areas hiding under those red

those areas hiding under those red arrows in Central America those spaces

arrows in Central America those spaces

arrows in Central America those spaces through which cocaine is merely moved

through which cocaine is merely moved

through which cocaine is merely moved like packages in a DHL hub these are

like packages in a DHL hub these are

like packages in a DHL hub these are transshipment zones through which

transshipment zones through which

transshipment zones through which cocaine moves on its journey northward

cocaine moves on its journey northward

cocaine moves on its journey northward to markets such as those I’m sure just

to markets such as those I’m sure just

to markets such as those I’m sure just outside the door here so I want to take

outside the door here so I want to take

outside the door here so I want to take you specifically to look at a region in

you specifically to look at a region in

you specifically to look at a region in eastern Honduras it’s known as the

eastern Honduras it’s known as the

eastern Honduras it’s known as the Mosquito Coast region of Eastern

Mosquito Coast region of Eastern

Mosquito Coast region of Eastern Honduras and Nicaragua and this is an

Honduras and Nicaragua and this is an

Honduras and Nicaragua and this is an area of tremendous biological and

area of tremendous biological and

area of tremendous biological and cultural diversity it has many protected

cultural diversity it has many protected

cultural diversity it has many protected areas internationally recognized world

areas internationally recognized world

areas internationally recognized world heritage sites and so on and I want to

heritage sites and so on and I want to

heritage sites and so on and I want to take you specifically into the

take you specifically into the

take you specifically into the communities of the two waka people

communities of the two waka people

communities of the two waka people they’re one of Honduras is smallest

they’re one of Honduras is smallest

they’re one of Honduras is smallest ethnic groups fewer than 2,000 people

ethnic groups fewer than 2,000 people

ethnic groups fewer than 2,000 people they’re regionally known for the

they’re regionally known for the

they’re regionally known for the spectacular dugout canoes that they

spectacular dugout canoes that they

spectacular dugout canoes that they produce almost entirely by hand no

produce almost entirely by hand no

produce almost entirely by hand no chainsaws here that just pure acts and

chainsaws here that just pure acts and

chainsaws here that just pure acts and ads and I want to take you through the

ads and I want to take you through the

ads and I want to take you through the ways that I’ve become aware that this is

ways that I’ve become aware that this is

ways that I’ve become aware that this is an area that is being both culturally

an area that is being both culturally

an area that is being both culturally and ecologically devastated by both the

and ecologically devastated by both the

and ecologically devastated by both the consumption here in the US of cocaine

consumption here in the US of cocaine

consumption here in the US of cocaine but also what I would argue are the u.s.

but also what I would argue are the u.s.

but also what I would argue are the u.s. is deeply flawed policies with

is deeply flawed policies with

is deeply flawed policies with to the global war on drugs all right so

to the global war on drugs all right so

to the global war on drugs all right so how did I get into drugs well uh after

how did I get into drugs well uh after

how did I get into drugs well uh after working the National Geographic I went

working the National Geographic I went

working the National Geographic I went to live in Eastern Honduras for two

to live in Eastern Honduras for two

to live in Eastern Honduras for two years working on a research project

years working on a research project

years working on a research project there and that began a career as a

there and that began a career as a

there and that began a career as a geography professor by which I’ve been

geography professor by which I’ve been

geography professor by which I’ve been very privileged to be able to repeatedly

very privileged to be able to repeatedly

very privileged to be able to repeatedly return to this place over time and that

return to this place over time and that

return to this place over time and that has allowed a wonderful opportunity to

has allowed a wonderful opportunity to

has allowed a wonderful opportunity to really understand the very dynamic

really understand the very dynamic

really understand the very dynamic relationships between people there and

relationships between people there and

relationships between people there and the forests with which they coexist and

the forests with which they coexist and

the forests with which they coexist and I’ve learned a lot about how forests

I’ve learned a lot about how forests

I’ve learned a lot about how forests make people and people make forests in

make people and people make forests in

make people and people make forests in this region and one of the things that

this region and one of the things that

this region and one of the things that my repeat research trips to the region

my repeat research trips to the region

my repeat research trips to the region had shown me and it really convinced me

had shown me and it really convinced me

had shown me and it really convinced me of was just how profoundly resilient the

of was just how profoundly resilient the

of was just how profoundly resilient the to walk of people and their eco and the

to walk of people and their eco and the

to walk of people and their eco and the ecosystem which defines them have been

ecosystem which defines them have been

ecosystem which defines them have been and by resilient I mean they have shown

and by resilient I mean they have shown

and by resilient I mean they have shown a remarkable ability to bounce back for

a remarkable ability to bounce back for

a remarkable ability to bounce back for example in the 1930s their population

example in the 1930s their population

example in the 1930s their population was devastated by a smallpox epidemic

was devastated by a smallpox epidemic

was devastated by a smallpox epidemic they were reduced to about a hundred

they were reduced to about a hundred

they were reduced to about a hundred people and it was through the choices

people and it was through the choices

people and it was through the choices made by women like Dona Rufina here she

made by women like Dona Rufina here she

made by women like Dona Rufina here she was pushing a hundred when I saw her in

was pushing a hundred when I saw her in

was pushing a hundred when I saw her in 2011 she just died before Christmas last

2011 she just died before Christmas last

2011 she just died before Christmas last year because there was so few to walk

year because there was so few to walk

year because there was so few to walk him in to Mary she among her six

him in to Mary she among her six

him in to Mary she among her six husband’s life is short and in the

husband’s life is short and in the

husband’s life is short and in the region for men snakebite disease and

region for men snakebite disease and

region for men snakebite disease and other things on your six husband there

other things on your six husband there

other things on your six husband there was not a single to walk a man but she

was not a single to walk a man but she

was not a single to walk a man but she raised all of her children to speak to

raised all of her children to speak to

raised all of her children to speak to walk it and to learn that to walk away

walk it and to learn that to walk away

walk it and to learn that to walk away so all of her children though

so all of her children though

so all of her children though genetically diverse some in

genetically diverse some in

genetically diverse some in incorporating much non Amerindian blood

incorporating much non Amerindian blood

incorporating much non Amerindian blood they nevertheless speak to waka and

they nevertheless speak to waka and

they nevertheless speak to waka and identify themselves culturally as to

identify themselves culturally as to

identify themselves culturally as to waka so she and other women like her

waka so she and other women like her

waka so she and other women like her have been essential for passing on what

have been essential for passing on what

have been essential for passing on what it is to be too waka talk you’ve also

it is to be too waka talk you’ve also

it is to be too waka talk you’ve also been extremely successful at bouncing

been extremely successful at bouncing

been extremely successful at bouncing back from the threat of colonists

back from the threat of colonists

back from the threat of colonists incursion into their territory savvy

incursion into their territory savvy

incursion into their territory savvy political leaders like Edgardo Benitez

political leaders like Edgardo Benitez

political leaders like Edgardo Benitez have been able to organize international

have been able to organize international

have been able to organize international allies to have in 1999 their territory

allies to have in 1999 their territory

allies to have in 1999 their territory declared the toake sangmi biosphere

declared the toake sangmi biosphere

declared the toake sangmi biosphere reserve

reserve

reserve and then perhaps most impressively after

and then perhaps most impressively after

and then perhaps most impressively after Hurricane Mitch wiped out two of their

Hurricane Mitch wiped out two of their

Hurricane Mitch wiped out two of their communities and almost all of their

communities and almost all of their

communities and almost all of their horticultural and agricultural lands

horticultural and agricultural lands

horticultural and agricultural lands decade’s worth of agroforestry plots

decade’s worth of agroforestry plots

decade’s worth of agroforestry plots they were able to rebound in a way that

they were able to rebound in a way that

they were able to rebound in a way that used the storm as a window of

used the storm as a window of

used the storm as a window of opportunity to reorganize their

opportunity to reorganize their

opportunity to reorganize their agricultural activities and to in fact

agricultural activities and to in fact

agricultural activities and to in fact be more sustainable planting precious

be more sustainable planting precious

be more sustainable planting precious trees like mahogany for example so it

trees like mahogany for example so it

trees like mahogany for example so it was with funding from the committee for

was with funding from the committee for

was with funding from the committee for research and exploration from National

research and exploration from National

research and exploration from National Geographic that I returned in 2011 to

Geographic that I returned in 2011 to

Geographic that I returned in 2011 to walk a territory thinking that I was

walk a territory thinking that I was

walk a territory thinking that I was going to be able to research the latest

going to be able to research the latest

going to be able to research the latest ways in which they were manifesting

ways in which they were manifesting

ways in which they were manifesting their cultural their socio ecological

their cultural their socio ecological

their cultural their socio ecological resilience and went down with an

resilience and went down with an

resilience and went down with an undergraduate and a graduate student and

undergraduate and a graduate student and

undergraduate and a graduate student and it had been a while since I’d been back

it had been a while since I’d been back

it had been a while since I’d been back I’d had two kids I got in tenure and

I’d had two kids I got in tenure and

I’d had two kids I got in tenure and this had been my longest time away after

this had been my longest time away after

this had been my longest time away after three days of traveling through the

three days of traveling through the

three days of traveling through the region to get into the Tohoku area by

region to get into the Tohoku area by

region to get into the Tohoku area by dugout canoe this is a community prior

dugout canoe this is a community prior

dugout canoe this is a community prior to our visit this is what we saw we saw

to our visit this is what we saw we saw

to our visit this is what we saw we saw landscapes just devastated this is the

landscapes just devastated this is the

landscapes just devastated this is the site where a community I’d known and

site where a community I’d known and

site where a community I’d known and where I’d eaten my first monkey and

where I’d eaten my first monkey and

where I’d eaten my first monkey and drunk all sorts of fermented beverages

drunk all sorts of fermented beverages

drunk all sorts of fermented beverages and people were gone I was told they’d

and people were gone I was told they’d

and people were gone I was told they’d fled to Nicaragua some of them were

fled to Nicaragua some of them were

fled to Nicaragua some of them were living poor in the capital city

living poor in the capital city

living poor in the capital city we saw patterns of deforestation I never

we saw patterns of deforestation I never

we saw patterns of deforestation I never seen before right down to the water’s

seen before right down to the water’s

seen before right down to the water’s edge on incredibly steep slopes and when

edge on incredibly steep slopes and when

edge on incredibly steep slopes and when I talk to people about what was going on

I talk to people about what was going on

I talk to people about what was going on they kept telling me the same thing

they kept telling me the same thing

they kept telling me the same thing narcos now when I had lived in this area

narcos now when I had lived in this area

narcos now when I had lived in this area in the mid 90s we heard planes in the

in the mid 90s we heard planes in the

in the mid 90s we heard planes in the night I mean cocaine has been moving

night I mean cocaine has been moving

night I mean cocaine has been moving through Central America since the disco

through Central America since the disco

through Central America since the disco era and I was able to use knowing the

era and I was able to use knowing the

era and I was able to use knowing the local language and being able to talk to

local language and being able to talk to

local language and being able to talk to people in the 20 years of trust I built

people in the 20 years of trust I built

people in the 20 years of trust I built up in this region to really ask people

up in this region to really ask people

up in this region to really ask people what was going on why why were drugs

what was going on why why were drugs

what was going on why why were drugs why was the mere passage of drugs

why was the mere passage of drugs

why was the mere passage of drugs through this area having this effect and

through this area having this effect and

through this area having this effect and key to understanding this is to

key to understanding this is to

key to understanding this is to understand that when a plane lands and

understand that when a plane lands and

understand that when a plane lands and is unloaded of its a 700 kilos of

is unloaded of its a 700 kilos of

is unloaded of its a 700 kilos of cocaine the plane is burned that gives

cocaine the plane is burned that gives

cocaine the plane is burned that gives you a me

you a me

you a me an idea of how little the plane is worth

an idea of how little the plane is worth

an idea of how little the plane is worth relative to its cargo it’s just not

relative to its cargo it’s just not

relative to its cargo it’s just not worth flying back so what you see is an

worth flying back so what you see is an

worth flying back so what you see is an absolute tsunami of money hitting these

absolute tsunami of money hitting these

absolute tsunami of money hitting these communities that comes with that brings

communities that comes with that brings

communities that comes with that brings in that buys impunity and that buys

in that buys impunity and that buys

in that buys impunity and that buys weapons so traffickers in this region

weapons so traffickers in this region

weapons so traffickers in this region have been able to buy up land from –

have been able to buy up land from –

have been able to buy up land from – walka and other indigenous groups and

walka and other indigenous groups and

walka and other indigenous groups and pay for the labor to have that force

pay for the labor to have that force

pay for the labor to have that force those forest lands converted into cattle

those forest lands converted into cattle

those forest lands converted into cattle pasture and they’re doing it in huge

pasture and they’re doing it in huge

pasture and they’re doing it in huge swaths 500 hectares at a time and the

swaths 500 hectares at a time and the

swaths 500 hectares at a time and the question is why would drug traffickers

question is why would drug traffickers

question is why would drug traffickers want to be interested in cattle ranches

want to be interested in cattle ranches

want to be interested in cattle ranches well these are untraceable transactions

well these are untraceable transactions

well these are untraceable transactions right so they’re a wonderful way to

right so they’re a wonderful way to

right so they’re a wonderful way to launder drug profits otherwise known as

launder drug profits otherwise known as

launder drug profits otherwise known as the land laundering and in fact when the

the land laundering and in fact when the

the land laundering and in fact when the US Treasury Department froze the assets

US Treasury Department froze the assets

US Treasury Department froze the assets of a Honduran trafficking organization

of a Honduran trafficking organization

of a Honduran trafficking organization they found that a lot of the assets that

they found that a lot of the assets that

they found that a lot of the assets that they held were in palm plantations and

they held were in palm plantations and

they held were in palm plantations and cattle ranches so it’s a great way to

cattle ranches so it’s a great way to

cattle ranches so it’s a great way to launder money but it’s also a really

launder money but it’s also a really

launder money but it’s also a really excellent way for criminal organizations

excellent way for criminal organizations

excellent way for criminal organizations to diversify their investment portfolios

to diversify their investment portfolios

to diversify their investment portfolios they are good capitalists like everyone

they are good capitalists like everyone

they are good capitalists like everyone else and they are investing in the

else and they are investing in the

else and they are investing in the tropical land rush driven in part by

tropical land rush driven in part by

tropical land rush driven in part by high demand for ethanol which is fueling

high demand for ethanol which is fueling

high demand for ethanol which is fueling literally the expansion of African oil

literally the expansion of African oil

literally the expansion of African oil palm plantations these were planted on

palm plantations these were planted on

palm plantations these were planted on illicit lands on lands illicit ly

illicit lands on lands illicit ly

illicit lands on lands illicit ly purchased very close to the Mosquitia

purchased very close to the Mosquitia

purchased very close to the Mosquitia and in fact moving into the Mosquitia

and in fact moving into the Mosquitia

and in fact moving into the Mosquitia and the result of course is that the

and the result of course is that the

and the result of course is that the money narcos can can manipulate buys

money narcos can can manipulate buys

money narcos can can manipulate buys complicity with government officials

complicity with government officials

complicity with government officials leaving the to walk a very much on their

leaving the to walk a very much on their

leaving the to walk a very much on their own to fight this scourge and not

own to fight this scourge and not

own to fight this scourge and not surprisingly this was a group of men of

surprisingly this was a group of men of

surprisingly this was a group of men of to walk and mosquito men who went to

to walk and mosquito men who went to

to walk and mosquito men who went to challenge some traffickers who were

challenge some traffickers who were

challenge some traffickers who were clearing land very close to their

clearing land very close to their

clearing land very close to their territories and they were rebuffed with

territories and they were rebuffed with

territories and they were rebuffed with ak-47s an m16 so leaders are threatened

ak-47s an m16 so leaders are threatened

ak-47s an m16 so leaders are threatened if they speak out there was literally no

if they speak out there was literally no

if they speak out there was literally no one in the region to witness this

one in the region to witness this

one in the region to witness this process

process

process no one knew this was going on and so to

no one knew this was going on and so to

no one knew this was going on and so to walk they’re also unable to move through

walk they’re also unable to move through

walk they’re also unable to move through their traditional seasonal agricultural

their traditional seasonal agricultural

their traditional seasonal agricultural and fishing activity so they’re stuck

and fishing activity so they’re stuck

and fishing activity so they’re stuck fishing for crappy little fish

fishing for crappy little fish

fishing for crappy little fish near their home communities because they

near their home communities because they

near their home communities because they are not allowed basically they’re sealed

are not allowed basically they’re sealed

are not allowed basically they’re sealed off by a narco cordon to secure the area

off by a narco cordon to secure the area

off by a narco cordon to secure the area and perhaps one of the most pernicious

and perhaps one of the most pernicious

and perhaps one of the most pernicious effects of the traffickers is their

effects of the traffickers is their

effects of the traffickers is their tremendous skill at being able to pit –

tremendous skill at being able to pit –

tremendous skill at being able to pit – they’re dividing conquer strategies

they’re dividing conquer strategies

they’re dividing conquer strategies their ability to turn neighbors against

their ability to turn neighbors against

their ability to turn neighbors against neighbors so one of the things they do

neighbors so one of the things they do

neighbors so one of the things they do in approaching a remote indigenous

in approaching a remote indigenous

in approaching a remote indigenous community has identified that weakest

community has identified that weakest

community has identified that weakest link that one family that is so poor

link that one family that is so poor

link that one family that is so poor that they can act as the lane

that they can act as the lane

that they can act as the lane consolidators on behalf of the narcos

consolidators on behalf of the narcos

consolidators on behalf of the narcos and this pits family against family this

and this pits family against family this

and this pits family against family this is a picture of Walter I took it in

is a picture of Walter I took it in

is a picture of Walter I took it in about nine years ago we were finishing

about nine years ago we were finishing

about nine years ago we were finishing up post hold survey in his community

up post hold survey in his community

up post hold survey in his community he’s in the one-room schoolhouse that

he’s in the one-room schoolhouse that

he’s in the one-room schoolhouse that has since been sold to narcos and we

has since been sold to narcos and we

has since been sold to narcos and we were having a little dance Walter and

were having a little dance Walter and

were having a little dance Walter and his brother this past Easter had heard

his brother this past Easter had heard

his brother this past Easter had heard that their cousins were clearing land

that their cousins were clearing land

that their cousins were clearing land for narcos in the area he went to

for narcos in the area he went to

for narcos in the area he went to confront those narcos and was killed

confront those narcos and was killed

confront those narcos and was killed with an m16 the man behind these

with an m16 the man behind these

with an m16 the man behind these children is the man who shot him and I

children is the man who shot him and I

children is the man who shot him and I know this man he was a lovely man he’s

know this man he was a lovely man he’s

know this man he was a lovely man he’s the father of these four and other

the father of these four and other

the father of these four and other children these are good people

children these are good people

children these are good people caught in an impossible situation and

caught in an impossible situation and

caught in an impossible situation and they really are hanging on by their

they really are hanging on by their

they really are hanging on by their fingernails this incredibly resilient

fingernails this incredibly resilient

fingernails this incredibly resilient community that I once knew is as the

community that I once knew is as the

community that I once knew is as the Tabaka leader said really not far from

Tabaka leader said really not far from

Tabaka leader said really not far from disappearing so the question is what can

disappearing so the question is what can

disappearing so the question is what can we do about this I think one of the

we do about this I think one of the

we do about this I think one of the things there are three things we can do

things there are three things we can do

things there are three things we can do one tell your friends who recreationally

one tell your friends who recreationally

one tell your friends who recreationally consume cocaine to just what the cost of

consume cocaine to just what the cost of

consume cocaine to just what the cost of their recreational use is doing two

their recreational use is doing two

their recreational use is doing two places overseas second I think we really

places overseas second I think we really

places overseas second I think we really need to rethink the war on drugs we’re

need to rethink the war on drugs we’re

need to rethink the war on drugs we’re not talking about legalizing cocaine

not talking about legalizing cocaine

not talking about legalizing cocaine let’s not get carried away here just

let’s not get carried away here just

let’s not get carried away here just talking about sitting down and reviewing

talking about sitting down and reviewing

talking about sitting down and reviewing drug policy orthodoxy which has for 40

drug policy orthodoxy which has for 40

drug policy orthodoxy which has for 40 years done nothing but move traffickers

years done nothing but move traffickers

years done nothing but move traffickers into ever more remote regions where they

into ever more remote regions where they

into ever more remote regions where they create all sorts of social and

create all sorts of social and

create all sorts of social and ecological chaos not to mention the

ecological chaos not to mention the

ecological chaos not to mention the damage going on in urban areas I think

damage going on in urban areas I think

damage going on in urban areas I think the Organization of American States has

the Organization of American States has

the Organization of American States has broken with drug war orthodoxy it’s one

broken with drug war orthodoxy it’s one

broken with drug war orthodoxy it’s one of the first big organizations to do so

of the first big organizations to do so

of the first big organizations to do so I’m working with the UN

I’m working with the UN

I’m working with the UN UNDP and the UN EP to kind of change the

UNDP and the UN EP to kind of change the

UNDP and the UN EP to kind of change the conversation within the UN system so

conversation within the UN system so

conversation within the UN system so that they can get on board with kind of

that they can get on board with kind of

that they can get on board with kind of ways to rethink the drug war but I think

ways to rethink the drug war but I think

ways to rethink the drug war but I think also we have to look at the ways in

also we have to look at the ways in

also we have to look at the ways in which our retirement portfolios and

which our retirement portfolios and

which our retirement portfolios and other financial mechanisms and the fear

other financial mechanisms and the fear

other financial mechanisms and the fear over not having enough farmland in the

over not having enough farmland in the

over not having enough farmland in the future are pushing financial markets to

future are pushing financial markets to

future are pushing financial markets to take great interest in tropical forest

take great interest in tropical forest

take great interest in tropical forest lands and their destruction and I think

lands and their destruction and I think

lands and their destruction and I think there are alternatives to that wasting

there are alternatives to that wasting

there are alternatives to that wasting less food is one of them using more

less food is one of them using more

less food is one of them using more solar energy so we don’t need to be

solar energy so we don’t need to be

solar energy so we don’t need to be feeding African oil palm to our cars is

feeding African oil palm to our cars is

feeding African oil palm to our cars is another so let’s think about those

another so let’s think about those

another so let’s think about those things about connecting the dots and

things about connecting the dots and

things about connecting the dots and understanding how we are all complicit

understanding how we are all complicit

understanding how we are all complicit in the destruction of this of this

in the destruction of this of this

in the destruction of this of this really quite unique place thank you

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