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Interview: Paul Sereno | National Geographic


I love nature I was collecting insects

I love nature I was collecting insects because I thought that was just

because I thought that was just

because I thought that was just wonderful then I started collecting

wonderful then I started collecting

wonderful then I started collecting leaves I didn’t think too much about

leaves I didn’t think too much about

leaves I didn’t think too much about dinosaurs and fossils but I loved nature

dinosaurs and fossils but I loved nature

dinosaurs and fossils but I loved nature and I love biology on the side in the

and I love biology on the side in the

and I love biology on the side in the summer out of the classroom and when the

summer out of the classroom and when the

summer out of the classroom and when the time came and the time was right I made

time came and the time was right I made

time came and the time was right I made it to college and I meant the college as

it to college and I meant the college as

it to college and I meant the college as an artist and when the time was right

an artist and when the time was right

an artist and when the time was right I started to understand that this

I started to understand that this

I started to understand that this biology stuff was pretty interesting and

biology stuff was pretty interesting and

biology stuff was pretty interesting and evolution was pretty interesting and

evolution was pretty interesting and

evolution was pretty interesting and fossils was pretty interesting I wasn’t

fossils was pretty interesting I wasn’t

fossils was pretty interesting I wasn’t sure what I wanted to be artists

sure what I wanted to be artists

sure what I wanted to be artists paleontologists they didn’t know but one

paleontologists they didn’t know but one

paleontologists they didn’t know but one day I walked into a museum in New York

day I walked into a museum in New York

day I walked into a museum in New York and it all came before my eyes I saw

and it all came before my eyes I saw

and it all came before my eyes I saw that the adventure that I used to love

that the adventure that I used to love

that the adventure that I used to love so much as a kid over the summer

so much as a kid over the summer

so much as a kid over the summer imagining myself going down to

imagining myself going down to

imagining myself going down to Mississippi River traveling the art that

Mississippi River traveling the art that

Mississippi River traveling the art that I so much loved in school and the

I so much loved in school and the

I so much loved in school and the science of discovery of discovery of old

science of discovery of discovery of old

science of discovery of discovery of old things and bringing their lives back was

things and bringing their lives back was

things and bringing their lives back was what I wanted to do and I wanted to do

what I wanted to do and I wanted to do

what I wanted to do and I wanted to do it now and I became a paleontologist at

it now and I became a paleontologist at

it now and I became a paleontologist at that very moment and I’ll never forget

that very moment and I’ll never forget

that very moment and I’ll never forget that first trip you know I was a

that first trip you know I was a

that first trip you know I was a greenhorn at this University and as an

greenhorn at this University and as an

greenhorn at this University and as an explorer the greatest places to explore

explorer the greatest places to explore

explorer the greatest places to explore are places you haven’t been the greatest

are places you haven’t been the greatest

are places you haven’t been the greatest places to explore are places where

places to explore are places where

places to explore are places where enough discovery hasn’t happened and as

enough discovery hasn’t happened and as

enough discovery hasn’t happened and as a person you got to convince somebody of

a person you got to convince somebody of

a person you got to convince somebody of the impossible that you’re going to go

the impossible that you’re going to go

the impossible that you’re going to go to someplace you’ve never been and

to someplace you’ve never been and

to someplace you’ve never been and you’re gonna do something that no one

you’re gonna do something that no one

you’re gonna do something that no one has ever done and considers unlikely but

has ever done and considers unlikely but

has ever done and considers unlikely but they got to trust you that you’re going

they got to trust you that you’re going

they got to trust you that you’re going to do it and so they gave me a small

to do it and so they gave me a small

to do it and so they gave me a small amount of money I went down to Argentina

amount of money I went down to Argentina

amount of money I went down to Argentina ran into some Argentinian students and

ran into some Argentinian students and

ran into some Argentinian students and formed a team and we were given no

formed a team and we were given no

formed a team and we were given no chance even by the Argentinians were

chance even by the Argentinians were

chance even by the Argentinians were given no chance we all thought we could

given no chance we all thought we could

given no chance we all thought we could do something they thought it was going

do something they thought it was going

do something they thought it was going to be a hopeless disaster we didn’t even

to be a hopeless disaster we didn’t even

to be a hopeless disaster we didn’t even speak each other’s language

speak each other’s language

speak each other’s language I was just learning Spanish and we went

I was just learning Spanish and we went

I was just learning Spanish and we went out and we found 300 fossils a couple of

out and we found 300 fossils a couple of

out and we found 300 fossils a couple of those included the first skull and

those included the first skull and

those included the first skull and skeleton of a nerdy dinosaur and that

skeleton of a nerdy dinosaur and that

skeleton of a nerdy dinosaur and that was the beginning of a long series of

was the beginning of a long series of

was the beginning of a long series of discoveries but that’s really what

discoveries but that’s really what

discoveries but that’s really what discovery is about it’s about doing

discovery is about it’s about doing

discovery is about it’s about doing things that other people think are

things that other people think are

things that other people think are unlikely it’s about going places where

unlikely it’s about going places where

unlikely it’s about going places where people haven’t been there’s usually some

people haven’t been there’s usually some

people haven’t been there’s usually some reason for it

reason for it

reason for it the reason is usually that it’s hard to

the reason is usually that it’s hard to

the reason is usually that it’s hard to exist out there it’s hard to do those

exist out there it’s hard to do those

exist out there it’s hard to do those things there’s the hard things that

things there’s the hard things that

things there’s the hard things that haven’t been done but if you really

haven’t been done but if you really

haven’t been done but if you really enjoyed venture and you enjoy camping

enjoyed venture and you enjoy camping

enjoyed venture and you enjoy camping out of the Stars and you enjoy meeting

out of the Stars and you enjoy meeting

out of the Stars and you enjoy meeting new people and discovering things that

new people and discovering things that

new people and discovering things that no one has ever seen

no one has ever seen

no one has ever seen then that’s the life for you

then that’s the life for you

then that’s the life for you paleontology it’s a great discipline

I’ll never forget how it happened we had

I’ll never forget how it happened we had found a lot of bones but we hadn’t found

found a lot of bones but we hadn’t found

found a lot of bones but we hadn’t found a complete skull or skeleton of an early

a complete skull or skeleton of an early

a complete skull or skeleton of an early dinosaur there was one area of the

dinosaur there was one area of the

dinosaur there was one area of the valley that we were slowly marching our

valley that we were slowly marching our

valley that we were slowly marching our way down that we had just about to leave

way down that we had just about to leave

way down that we had just about to leave and I didn’t see any footprints I didn’t

and I didn’t see any footprints I didn’t

and I didn’t see any footprints I didn’t seen anybody that had seen this little

seen anybody that had seen this little

seen anybody that had seen this little corner and it bugged me and as we march

corner and it bugged me and as we march

corner and it bugged me and as we march down the valley we were now half a mile

down the valley we were now half a mile

down the valley we were now half a mile away from this place and I said on a

away from this place and I said on a

away from this place and I said on a Sunday it was our day off I said last

Sunday it was our day off I said last

Sunday it was our day off I said last night

night

night it’s the Bermuda Triangle back day I

it’s the Bermuda Triangle back day I

it’s the Bermuda Triangle back day I feel there’s something in it I’ll take

feel there’s something in it I’ll take

feel there’s something in it I’ll take anybody that wants to take a good part

anybody that wants to take a good part

anybody that wants to take a good part of their day off and come with me but

of their day off and come with me but

of their day off and come with me but you know I got to go back I can’t I

you know I got to go back I can’t I

you know I got to go back I can’t I can’t sleep at night we drove back to

can’t sleep at night we drove back to

can’t sleep at night we drove back to this area I put down my my bag and I

this area I put down my my bag and I

this area I put down my my bag and I walked up we’d all just burst

walked up we’d all just burst

walked up we’d all just burst I walked up

I walked up

I walked up and I saw this fossil on an edge of rock

and I saw this fossil on an edge of rock

and I saw this fossil on an edge of rock and I walked up to it and I could see in

and I walked up to it and I could see in

and I walked up to it and I could see in front of my eyes the skull of the surly

front of my eyes the skull of the surly

front of my eyes the skull of the surly dinosaur the first one that had ever

dinosaur the first one that had ever

dinosaur the first one that had ever been found

been found

been found diving into the rock there was a piece

diving into the rock there was a piece

diving into the rock there was a piece of its neck was just out of place I

of its neck was just out of place I

of its neck was just out of place I probably would have washed away the next

probably would have washed away the next

probably would have washed away the next year I rolled it back into place and we

year I rolled it back into place and we

year I rolled it back into place and we dated those rocks the animals rocks are

dated those rocks the animals rocks are

dated those rocks the animals rocks are a quarter of a billion years old 228

a quarter of a billion years old 228

a quarter of a billion years old 228 million years old this fossil had

million years old this fossil had

million years old this fossil had existed and was about to wash away and I

existed and was about to wash away and I

existed and was about to wash away and I come up and find it and I came out of

come up and find it and I came out of

come up and find it and I came out of Yale and people thought either I fell

Yale and people thought either I fell

Yale and people thought either I fell over and died or I had found it and that

over and died or I had found it and that

over and died or I had found it and that was a glorious moment and we all grouped

was a glorious moment and we all grouped

was a glorious moment and we all grouped around I walked away actually while the

around I walked away actually while the

around I walked away actually while the people were gathering around the fossil

people were gathering around the fossil

people were gathering around the fossil and just in utter amazement because it

and just in utter amazement because it

and just in utter amazement because it could have been found in many other ways

could have been found in many other ways

could have been found in many other ways could have had the tail sticking out but

could have had the tail sticking out but

could have had the tail sticking out but you’re gonna the way it was preserved

you’re gonna the way it was preserved

you’re gonna the way it was preserved was just so glorious it was such a

was just so glorious it was such a

was just so glorious it was such a moment to remember that I just sat down

moment to remember that I just sat down

moment to remember that I just sat down and cried and they all came around and

and cried and they all came around and

and cried and they all came around and they had said they said they’d never

they had said they said they’d never

they had said they said they’d never seen a scientist react like that to a

seen a scientist react like that to a

seen a scientist react like that to a fossil but at that point you realized

fossil but at that point you realized

fossil but at that point you realized that that was was the beginning of a

that that was was the beginning of a

that that was was the beginning of a career it was the beginning of something

career it was the beginning of something

career it was the beginning of something that was going to be truly great and it

that was going to be truly great and it

that was going to be truly great and it was just a great moment I’ll never

was just a great moment I’ll never

was just a great moment I’ll never forget it

we found

we found and interesting site in western China

and interesting site in western China

and interesting site in western China that we’re going to be describing in a

that we’re going to be describing in a

that we’re going to be describing in a few months it was a site where we had

few months it was a site where we had

few months it was a site where we had not one not ten but more than 20

not one not ten but more than 20

not one not ten but more than 20 individuals of an ornithomimus dinosaur

individuals of an ornithomimus dinosaur

individuals of an ornithomimus dinosaur anism avid dinosaur they look like

anism avid dinosaur they look like

anism avid dinosaur they look like ostriches piled up on top of each other

ostriches piled up on top of each other

ostriches piled up on top of each other as we dug in further and further more

as we dug in further and further more

as we dug in further and further more and more of them now the super

and more of them now the super

and more of them now the super interesting thing about these dinosaurs

interesting thing about these dinosaurs

interesting thing about these dinosaurs is that they seem to be buried all at

is that they seem to be buried all at

is that they seem to be buried all at once for that story we had to read it

once for that story we had to read it

once for that story we had to read it carefully at the mud that’s around them

carefully at the mud that’s around them

carefully at the mud that’s around them they were trapped in mud suddenly it

they were trapped in mud suddenly it

they were trapped in mud suddenly it seems as though we found the first

seems as though we found the first

seems as though we found the first population of dinosaurs

population of dinosaurs

population of dinosaurs what’s even greater is that when we age

what’s even greater is that when we age

what’s even greater is that when we age them we found that they were no

them we found that they were no

them we found that they were no hatchlings and no adults they were all

hatchlings and no adults they were all

hatchlings and no adults they were all teenagers there were all six seven eight

teenagers there were all six seven eight

teenagers there were all six seven eight years old forming a herd that wouldn’t

years old forming a herd that wouldn’t

years old forming a herd that wouldn’t you know it without any adult

you know it without any adult

you know it without any adult supervision got stuck in the margins of

supervision got stuck in the margins of

supervision got stuck in the margins of a lake and gave us really the first

a lake and gave us really the first

a lake and gave us really the first population of dinosaurs the first

population of dinosaurs the first

population of dinosaurs the first natural herd of dinosaurs that has ever

natural herd of dinosaurs that has ever

natural herd of dinosaurs that has ever been recovered but snapshots like this

been recovered but snapshots like this

been recovered but snapshots like this from the fossil record I would help us

from the fossil record I would help us

from the fossil record I would help us understand the biology of dinosaurs we

understand the biology of dinosaurs we

understand the biology of dinosaurs we understand now that well we should have

understand now that well we should have

understand now that well we should have predicted that we’d find herds of

predicted that we’d find herds of

predicted that we’d find herds of teenagers because dinosaurs are very

teenagers because dinosaurs are very

teenagers because dinosaurs are very much like birds but they they don’t grow

much like birds but they they don’t grow

much like birds but they they don’t grow in one year like birds they grow fast

in one year like birds they grow fast

in one year like birds they grow fast but it takes them five six seven years

but it takes them five six seven years

but it takes them five six seven years so while momma and daddy dinosaur are

so while momma and daddy dinosaur are

so while momma and daddy dinosaur are sitting on the nest once or twice a year

sitting on the nest once or twice a year

sitting on the nest once or twice a year where are all the four and five year

where are all the four and five year

where are all the four and five year olds and the six year olds and seven

olds and the six year olds and seven

olds and the six year olds and seven year olds well we think we found the

year olds well we think we found the

year olds well we think we found the smoking gun

smoking gun

smoking gun they were probably roaming around in

they were probably roaming around in

they were probably roaming around in herds unchaperoned and looking for

herds unchaperoned and looking for

herds unchaperoned and looking for trouble

I think dinosaurs and fossils in general

I think dinosaurs and fossils in general but dinosaurs more than anything they

but dinosaurs more than anything they

but dinosaurs more than anything they are the icons for the past we live in

are the icons for the past we live in

are the icons for the past we live in the present everything we see in sense

the present everything we see in sense

the present everything we see in sense is today and yesterday and it takes us

is today and yesterday and it takes us

is today and yesterday and it takes us on a time travel time trip back in time

on a time travel time trip back in time

on a time travel time trip back in time to a world that we can only imagine

to a world that we can only imagine

to a world that we can only imagine there’s nothing more that kids like to

there’s nothing more that kids like to

there’s nothing more that kids like to do that it’s a human human basic human

do that it’s a human human basic human

do that it’s a human human basic human talent which is imagination to imagine

talent which is imagination to imagine

talent which is imagination to imagine past worlds dinosaurs do that more than

past worlds dinosaurs do that more than

past worlds dinosaurs do that more than anything they have personalities they

anything they have personalities they

anything they have personalities they have habits they have lives and and kids

have habits they have lives and and kids

have habits they have lives and and kids love to imagine a life far gone in the

love to imagine a life far gone in the

love to imagine a life far gone in the past where animals bizarre animals

past where animals bizarre animals

past where animals bizarre animals fearsome and an imaginary existed and

fearsome and an imaginary existed and

fearsome and an imaginary existed and you know and as a scientist I’m lost in

you know and as a scientist I’m lost in

you know and as a scientist I’m lost in that world and I’m just trying to bring

that world and I’m just trying to bring

that world and I’m just trying to bring it back and I’m wandering around

it back and I’m wandering around

it back and I’m wandering around discovering new things but but kids love

discovering new things but but kids love

discovering new things but but kids love that too it’s a basic human human

that too it’s a basic human human

that too it’s a basic human human occupation imagination

I like to bring everybody on board and

I like to bring everybody on board and especially kids and and the effect is

especially kids and and the effect is

especially kids and and the effect is that they tell other kids and those kids

that they tell other kids and those kids

that they tell other kids and those kids tell other kids I was there and Baba and

tell other kids I was there and Baba and

tell other kids I was there and Baba and an excitement has generated over

an excitement has generated over

an excitement has generated over discovery I like to to have that that

discovery I like to to have that that

discovery I like to to have that that inclusiveness at the time you really

inclusiveness at the time you really

inclusiveness at the time you really announced the big findings because it

announced the big findings because it

announced the big findings because it then has a relevance for society and we

then has a relevance for society and we

then has a relevance for society and we we ultimately need rational thought we

we ultimately need rational thought we

we ultimately need rational thought we need science literacy if we’re going to

need science literacy if we’re going to

need science literacy if we’re going to survive as a species more so now than

survive as a species more so now than

survive as a species more so now than ever before it was a Sputnik in the

ever before it was a Sputnik in the

ever before it was a Sputnik in the 1950s that generated sort of an

1950s that generated sort of an

1950s that generated sort of an emergency feeling about science and how

emergency feeling about science and how

emergency feeling about science and how we need to train more scientists and

we need to train more scientists and

we need to train more scientists and we’ve lulled ourselves into into

we’ve lulled ourselves into into

we’ve lulled ourselves into into complacency in the years since that time

complacency in the years since that time

complacency in the years since that time and and what’s really really is now is

and and what’s really really is now is

and and what’s really really is now is is our changing world and we’ve got to

is our changing world and we’ve got to

is our changing world and we’ve got to have the engineers and the scientists in

have the engineers and the scientists in

have the engineers and the scientists in the generation to come if we are

the generation to come if we are

the generation to come if we are actually going to survive as a species

actually going to survive as a species

actually going to survive as a species we need them and so when we have a

we need them and so when we have a

we need them and so when we have a science discovery a dinosaur a molecule

science discovery a dinosaur a molecule

science discovery a dinosaur a molecule I don’t care it can be anything we

I don’t care it can be anything we

I don’t care it can be anything we really need to bring it to the public in

really need to bring it to the public in

really need to bring it to the public in a bigger way than we we have been doing

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