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I am a Palestinian I grew up in

I am a Palestinian I grew up in Palestine Israel Holy Land whichever

Palestine Israel Holy Land whichever

Palestine Israel Holy Land whichever your political preference you can choose

your political preference you can choose

your political preference you can choose but often people have a problem with

but often people have a problem with

but often people have a problem with figuring out even when I tell people

figuring out even when I tell people

figuring out even when I tell people where I’m from they have problem

where I’m from they have problem

where I’m from they have problem figuring out what does that mean them I

figuring out what does that mean them I

figuring out what does that mean them I grew up in Jerusalem which is the

grew up in Jerusalem which is the

grew up in Jerusalem which is the holiest city in the world and the joke

holiest city in the world and the joke

holiest city in the world and the joke in Jerusalem is we are holy people

in Jerusalem is we are holy people

in Jerusalem is we are holy people because we just born there so the only

because we just born there so the only

because we just born there so the only problems we can’t get along together

problems we can’t get along together

problems we can’t get along together unfortunately and I deal with one of the

unfortunately and I deal with one of the

unfortunately and I deal with one of the oldest most complicated conflicts in the

oldest most complicated conflicts in the

oldest most complicated conflicts in the world what I want to do is tell you

world what I want to do is tell you

world what I want to do is tell you first about my story and where I grew up

first about my story and where I grew up

first about my story and where I grew up and how my journey had got me to where I

and how my journey had got me to where I

and how my journey had got me to where I am today I grew up in a place called

am today I grew up in a place called

am today I grew up in a place called actually Bethany and I drew some just

actually Bethany and I drew some just

actually Bethany and I drew some just couple miles outside Jerusalem normal

couple miles outside Jerusalem normal

couple miles outside Jerusalem normal childhood however over there there’s

childhood however over there there’s

childhood however over there there’s really no normal childhood

really no normal childhood

really no normal childhood so my early memories is when the First

so my early memories is when the First

so my early memories is when the First Intifada started until father for those

Intifada started until father for those

Intifada started until father for those who don’t know is the uprising of

who don’t know is the uprising of

who don’t know is the uprising of Palestinians I was seven years old

Palestinians I was seven years old

Palestinians I was seven years old watching TV and I saw these guys

watching TV and I saw these guys

watching TV and I saw these guys throwing stones at some cars and as a

throwing stones at some cars and as a

throwing stones at some cars and as a seven-year-old growing in a place where

seven-year-old growing in a place where

seven-year-old growing in a place where there is not really much of excitement

there is not really much of excitement

there is not really much of excitement or no playgrounds no community centres

or no playgrounds no community centres

or no playgrounds no community centres nothing cool to do I thought throwing

nothing cool to do I thought throwing

nothing cool to do I thought throwing stones sounds like a fun thing to do I

stones sounds like a fun thing to do I

stones sounds like a fun thing to do I went talk to my friends who were all six

went talk to my friends who were all six

went talk to my friends who were all six five seven eight years old and I told

five seven eight years old and I told

five seven eight years old and I told them what do you think we should do the

them what do you think we should do the

them what do you think we should do the same thing it looks fun they all agreed

same thing it looks fun they all agreed

same thing it looks fun they all agreed with me we went to the closest road and

with me we went to the closest road and

with me we went to the closest road and start throwing stones but we weren’t

start throwing stones but we weren’t

start throwing stones but we weren’t told that we were supposed to throw

told that we were supposed to throw

told that we were supposed to throw stones at the enemy so we throw stones

stones at the enemy so we throw stones

stones at the enemy so we throw stones at our neighbors cars

that night my parents were not happy

that night my parents were not happy with me and I had to do a lot of

with me and I had to do a lot of

with me and I had to do a lot of explanation but eventually we’ll learn

explanation but eventually we’ll learn

explanation but eventually we’ll learn that okay there’s different road that

that okay there’s different road that

that okay there’s different road that you can go and throw stones at which is

you can go and throw stones at which is

you can go and throw stones at which is a settlement road and at seven years old

a settlement road and at seven years old

a settlement road and at seven years old that’s what I did I go to the road throw

that’s what I did I go to the road throw

that’s what I did I go to the road throw stones until unfortunately one day I hit

stones until unfortunately one day I hit

stones until unfortunately one day I hit hit that target normally we were

hit that target normally we were

hit that target normally we were throwing stones and nothing happens but

throwing stones and nothing happens but

throwing stones and nothing happens but I hit the target and the driver comes

I hit the target and the driver comes

I hit the target and the driver comes out and starts shooting at us

out and starts shooting at us

out and starts shooting at us but you know when when you live in a

but you know when when you live in a

but you know when when you live in a conflict and when you seven each 8-year

conflict and when you seven each 8-year

conflict and when you seven each 8-year old and you see a lot of bad things

old and you see a lot of bad things

old and you see a lot of bad things happen I saw people being killed people

happen I saw people being killed people

happen I saw people being killed people who’ve been arrested being shot at but

who’ve been arrested being shot at but

who’ve been arrested being shot at but you think you really can avoid that

you think you really can avoid that

you think you really can avoid that happening to you it’s it’s kind of like

happening to you it’s it’s kind of like

happening to you it’s it’s kind of like watching a car accident you think it can

watching a car accident you think it can

watching a car accident you think it can happen to other people you might say a

happen to other people you might say a

happen to other people you might say a prayer but you don’t think it’s gonna

prayer but you don’t think it’s gonna

prayer but you don’t think it’s gonna happen to me and I lived in that bubble

happen to me and I lived in that bubble

happen to me and I lived in that bubble which was burst very early in my life

which was burst very early in my life

which was burst very early in my life when I was nine years old a group of

when I was nine years old a group of

when I was nine years old a group of soldiers came into my home it was about

soldiers came into my home it was about

soldiers came into my home it was about 5:00 in the morning came into my room

5:00 in the morning came into my room

5:00 in the morning came into my room and decided to arrest my brother they

and decided to arrest my brother they

and decided to arrest my brother they see her who was 18 years old at the time

see her who was 18 years old at the time

see her who was 18 years old at the time he was arrested for suspicion of

he was arrested for suspicion of

he was arrested for suspicion of throwing stones taken he refused to

throwing stones taken he refused to

throwing stones taken he refused to confess the allegation he was beaten up

confess the allegation he was beaten up

confess the allegation he was beaten up for 18 days so he would confess that he

for 18 days so he would confess that he

for 18 days so he would confess that he did it eventually after 18 days he

did it eventually after 18 days he

did it eventually after 18 days he signed and whatever paper they asked him

signed and whatever paper they asked him

signed and whatever paper they asked him to sign he was sentenced for one year in

to sign he was sentenced for one year in

to sign he was sentenced for one year in prison which I was able to visit him

prison which I was able to visit him

prison which I was able to visit him only one time through it a little bit

only one time through it a little bit

only one time through it a little bit before a year passed

before a year passed

before a year passed theseare was released from prison but by

theseare was released from prison but by

theseare was released from prison but by the time he was released from prison he

the time he was released from prison he

the time he was released from prison he actually was incredibly sick he had a

actually was incredibly sick he had a

actually was incredibly sick he had a liver failure he had a spleen failure we

liver failure he had a spleen failure we

liver failure he had a spleen failure we took him to a hospital right away and in

took him to a hospital right away and in

took him to a hospital right away and in the hospital after surgery a few days

the hospital after surgery a few days

the hospital after surgery a few days later the doctor came to my mom and he

later the doctor came to my mom and he

later the doctor came to my mom and he was a idiot doctor he came to her and

was a idiot doctor he came to her and

was a idiot doctor he came to her and said so do you have any more children

said so do you have any more children

said so do you have any more children and she wasn’t understanding what he’s

and she wasn’t understanding what he’s

and she wasn’t understanding what he’s talking about she said yes I do said

talking about she said yes I do said

talking about she said yes I do said well it’s good because soon you’re going

well it’s good because soon you’re going

well it’s good because soon you’re going to have one less

to have one less

to have one less and a couple days later they still

and a couple days later they still

and a couple days later they still passed away at the 10 year old you

passed away at the 10 year old you

passed away at the 10 year old you really don’t don’t comprehend a lot of

really don’t don’t comprehend a lot of

really don’t don’t comprehend a lot of things but I understood one thing at

things but I understood one thing at

things but I understood one thing at that moment I understood that they seer

that moment I understood that they seer

that moment I understood that they seer didn’t die a natural death all I

didn’t die a natural death all I

didn’t die a natural death all I remember it is the soldiers coming and

remember it is the soldiers coming and

remember it is the soldiers coming and taking him from home and I was very

taking him from home and I was very

taking him from home and I was very angry I was very bitter I was very

motivated to do something about and I

motivated to do something about and I felt you know I felt like when somebody

felt you know I felt like when somebody

felt you know I felt like when somebody punches you in the face what’s the first

punches you in the face what’s the first

punches you in the face what’s the first thing you do when somebody gives you

thing you do when somebody gives you

thing you do when somebody gives you that punch have you ever been punched

that punch have you ever been punched

that punch have you ever been punched anybody come on what do you do you know

anybody come on what do you do you know

anybody come on what do you do you know you’re all silent are we peaceful people

you’re all silent are we peaceful people

you’re all silent are we peaceful people what do you normally do when you’re

what do you normally do when you’re

what do you normally do when you’re punched in the face you punch back how

punched in the face you punch back how

punched in the face you punch back how many people you know when they punched

many people you know when they punched

many people you know when they punched in the face they say let me take a step

in the face they say let me take a step

in the face they say let me take a step back and think really logically about

back and think really logically about

back and think really logically about this most of us don’t do that if you

this most of us don’t do that if you

this most of us don’t do that if you punched in the face you want a hit back

punched in the face you want a hit back

punched in the face you want a hit back and that’s exactly how I felt I wanted

and that’s exactly how I felt I wanted

and that’s exactly how I felt I wanted to hit back I wanted those who hurt me

to hit back I wanted those who hurt me

to hit back I wanted those who hurt me to be hurt back and that’s what I

to be hurt back and that’s what I

to be hurt back and that’s what I dedicated my life for especially I’m the

dedicated my life for especially I’m the

dedicated my life for especially I’m the youngest of my brothers and I in just of

youngest of my brothers and I in just of

youngest of my brothers and I in just of four boys and well we were five boys and

four boys and well we were five boys and

four boys and well we were five boys and two girls and I’m the opes child which

two girls and I’m the opes child which

two girls and I’m the opes child which means my parents didn’t plan on having

means my parents didn’t plan on having

means my parents didn’t plan on having meat iceers nine years older than me

meat iceers nine years older than me

meat iceers nine years older than me but he’s the one just older than me and

but he’s the one just older than me and

but he’s the one just older than me and so my parents were tired of raising

so my parents were tired of raising

so my parents were tired of raising children by the time I was born and so

children by the time I was born and so

children by the time I was born and so he was given that task so my first day

he was given that task so my first day

he was given that task so my first day in school normally your parents take you

in school normally your parents take you

in school normally your parents take you to school my parents didn’t show up he

to school my parents didn’t show up he

to school my parents didn’t show up he took me to school when I had the

took me to school when I had the

took me to school when I had the problems in school checking and my

problems in school checking and my

problems in school checking and my grades any of that my parents never came

grades any of that my parents never came

grades any of that my parents never came to check on me in school he was the one

to check on me in school he was the one

to check on me in school he was the one coming fighting with my teachers arguing

coming fighting with my teachers arguing

coming fighting with my teachers arguing in my behalf

in my behalf

in my behalf doing all that stuff and so for me to

doing all that stuff and so for me to

doing all that stuff and so for me to lose him it was a very very personal

lose him it was a very very personal

lose him it was a very very personal thing it wasn’t just losing a brother

thing it wasn’t just losing a brother

thing it wasn’t just losing a brother was more losing a dad a friend all of

was more losing a dad a friend all of

was more losing a dad a friend all of that by the way if you look at the

that by the way if you look at the

that by the way if you look at the picture and thinking what happened to

picture and thinking what happened to

picture and thinking what happened to you used to look at cute

you used to look at cute

you used to look at cute that’s normally what they get from

that’s normally what they get from

that’s normally what they get from people who knew me when I was young and

people who knew me when I was young and

people who knew me when I was young and I get really offended when people do

I get really offended when people do

I get really offended when people do that I grew up very politically active

that I grew up very politically active

that I grew up very politically active since then I believe that my duty is to

since then I believe that my duty is to

since then I believe that my duty is to revenge my duty is to hurt those who

revenge my duty is to hurt those who

revenge my duty is to hurt those who hurt my brother

hurt my brother

hurt my brother joined the political party very quickly

joined the political party very quickly

joined the political party very quickly I was very active in something called

I was very active in something called

I was very active in something called the Fatah youth movement by 13 I was

the Fatah youth movement by 13 I was

the Fatah youth movement by 13 I was incredibly active by 16 I was editing

incredibly active by 16 I was editing

incredibly active by 16 I was editing the youth magazine for Fatah Heath

the youth magazine for Fatah Heath

the youth magazine for Fatah Heath movement in Jerusalem being one of the

movement in Jerusalem being one of the

movement in Jerusalem being one of the leaders of the movement organizing

leaders of the movement organizing

leaders of the movement organizing protests for two three four thousand

protests for two three four thousand

protests for two three four thousand students to come out in the streets

students to come out in the streets

students to come out in the streets three of my colleagues were killed

three of my colleagues were killed

three of my colleagues were killed through it I was writing a lot of

through it I was writing a lot of

through it I was writing a lot of articles every week I would write two

articles every week I would write two

articles every week I would write two three articles pretty much similar to

three articles pretty much similar to

three articles pretty much similar to the media today we write they’re wrong

the media today we write they’re wrong

the media today we write they’re wrong here’s why we you know should never

here’s why we you know should never

here’s why we you know should never compromise or do anything that makes the

compromise or do anything that makes the

compromise or do anything that makes the other look or feel good eventually I

other look or feel good eventually I

other look or feel good eventually I finished high school and realized I

finished high school and realized I

finished high school and realized I never studied Hebrew in East Jerusalem

never studied Hebrew in East Jerusalem

never studied Hebrew in East Jerusalem because Hebrews the language of the

because Hebrews the language of the

because Hebrews the language of the enemy I was not willing to learn it but

enemy I was not willing to learn it but

enemy I was not willing to learn it but if you live in Jerusalem and you don’t

if you live in Jerusalem and you don’t

if you live in Jerusalem and you don’t study Hebrew it’s a problematic because

study Hebrew it’s a problematic because

study Hebrew it’s a problematic because without Hebrew he can do anything in

without Hebrew he can do anything in

without Hebrew he can do anything in Jerusalem in my high school was

Jerusalem in my high school was

Jerusalem in my high school was mandatory to learn Hebrew I went through

mandatory to learn Hebrew I went through

mandatory to learn Hebrew I went through three years not learning one word in

three years not learning one word in

three years not learning one word in Hebrew because I just thought no way I

Hebrew because I just thought no way I

Hebrew because I just thought no way I did pass all my exams

did pass all my exams

did pass all my exams they’re gonna tell you hell and I I

they’re gonna tell you hell and I I

they’re gonna tell you hell and I I decided when I studied Hebrew that I

decided when I studied Hebrew that I

decided when I studied Hebrew that I will study in a place that will really

will study in a place that will really

will study in a place that will really teach me the language is the best place

teach me the language is the best place

teach me the language is the best place to study that you can learn the

to study that you can learn the

to study that you can learn the languages and Israeli place called

languages and Israeli place called

languages and Israeli place called open-open is where Jewish and newcomers

open-open is where Jewish and newcomers

open-open is where Jewish and newcomers go to learn Hebrew not many Palestinians

go to learn Hebrew not many Palestinians

go to learn Hebrew not many Palestinians there actually in my class I was the

there actually in my class I was the

there actually in my class I was the only Palestinian in that class and

only Palestinian in that class and

only Palestinian in that class and sitting in that class and looking around

sitting in that class and looking around

sitting in that class and looking around and thinking very uncomfortable because

and thinking very uncomfortable because

and thinking very uncomfortable because for 18 years of my life I realized I

for 18 years of my life I realized I

for 18 years of my life I realized I have never met a Jew an Israeli who was

have never met a Jew an Israeli who was

have never met a Jew an Israeli who was not a soldier or a settler 18 years and

not a soldier or a settler 18 years and

not a soldier or a settler 18 years and as nice as a soldier can be and some of

as nice as a soldier can be and some of

as nice as a soldier can be and some of them can be really really nice you can’t

them can be really really nice you can’t

them can be really really nice you can’t have a dialogue with somebody with a gun

have a dialogue with somebody with a gun

have a dialogue with somebody with a gun and suddenly I’m sitting with these

and suddenly I’m sitting with these

and suddenly I’m sitting with these people in a classroom by the way 200

people in a classroom by the way 200

people in a classroom by the way 200 meters

meters

meters from my school there was a Jewish school

from my school there was a Jewish school

from my school there was a Jewish school we’ve never talked we’ve never had

we’ve never talked we’ve never had

we’ve never talked we’ve never had anything to do with each other

anything to do with each other

anything to do with each other occasionally we threw stuff at each

occasionally we threw stuff at each

occasionally we threw stuff at each other that was it and suddenly I’m

other that was it and suddenly I’m

other that was it and suddenly I’m sitting with these people and the

sitting with these people and the

sitting with these people and the beginning I don’t want to talk to

beginning I don’t want to talk to

beginning I don’t want to talk to anybody you know you have all these

anybody you know you have all these

anybody you know you have all these stereotypes because when you separate

stereotypes because when you separate

stereotypes because when you separate these are making up myths in your mind

these are making up myths in your mind

these are making up myths in your mind you start thinking that other people

you start thinking that other people

you start thinking that other people have horns and Tails and crazy stuff and

have horns and Tails and crazy stuff and

have horns and Tails and crazy stuff and then you meet and you don’t know how to

then you meet and you don’t know how to

then you meet and you don’t know how to deal with it and it wasn’t politics that

deal with it and it wasn’t politics that

deal with it and it wasn’t politics that actually changed my mind

actually changed my mind

actually changed my mind my first conversation that I remember

my first conversation that I remember

my first conversation that I remember that made the difference you know it’s

that made the difference you know it’s

that made the difference you know it’s when you study a second language they

when you study a second language they

when you study a second language they force you to talk to each other and ask

force you to talk to each other and ask

force you to talk to each other and ask questions how are you who are you what

questions how are you who are you what

questions how are you who are you what do you like and that question what do

do you like and that question what do

do you like and that question what do you like I’m the only Palestinian that I

you like I’m the only Palestinian that I

you like I’m the only Palestinian that I know on the face of earth who loves

know on the face of earth who loves

know on the face of earth who loves something called country music now

something called country music now

something called country music now plenty enough in DC I don’t find many

plenty enough in DC I don’t find many

plenty enough in DC I don’t find many people who agree with me sorry but

people who agree with me sorry but

people who agree with me sorry but suddenly in that classroom

suddenly in that classroom

suddenly in that classroom other than my Palestinian friends when I

other than my Palestinian friends when I

other than my Palestinian friends when I tell them yeah like Johnny Cash or Brad

tell them yeah like Johnny Cash or Brad

tell them yeah like Johnny Cash or Brad Paisley or any of those they all look at

Paisley or any of those they all look at

Paisley or any of those they all look at me some of you look at me who’s proud

me some of you look at me who’s proud

me some of you look at me who’s proud Paisley but what the heck are you

Paisley but what the heck are you

Paisley but what the heck are you talking about and suddenly in that

talking about and suddenly in that

talking about and suddenly in that classroom I need some of my Jewish

classroom I need some of my Jewish

classroom I need some of my Jewish colleagues who thought country music

colleagues who thought country music

colleagues who thought country music that’s a good thing not that many Jews

that’s a good thing not that many Jews

that’s a good thing not that many Jews like country music

like country music

like country music don’t misunderstand me but there were a

don’t misunderstand me but there were a

don’t misunderstand me but there were a couple there were a couple and

couple there were a couple and

couple there were a couple and fortunately they were in that class but

fortunately they were in that class but

fortunately they were in that class but then you start going over other stuff

then you start going over other stuff

then you start going over other stuff and you start realizing what separates

and you start realizing what separates

and you start realizing what separates us as people is not politics is not it’s

us as people is not politics is not it’s

us as people is not politics is not it’s not the things that we come up with and

not the things that we come up with and

not the things that we come up with and thinking it’s just al and it’s it’s it’s

thinking it’s just al and it’s it’s it’s

thinking it’s just al and it’s it’s it’s really not that it’s a wall not a

really not that it’s a wall not a

really not that it’s a wall not a physical wall it’s an emotional wall

physical wall it’s an emotional wall

physical wall it’s an emotional wall it’s a wall built of anger of hatred of

it’s a wall built of anger of hatred of

it’s a wall built of anger of hatred of fear but most importantly of ignorance

fear but most importantly of ignorance

fear but most importantly of ignorance and when you have ignorant and fear that

and when you have ignorant and fear that

and when you have ignorant and fear that separates two people you can think you

separates two people you can think you

separates two people you can think you are better than those on the other side

are better than those on the other side

are better than those on the other side and you can think that you’re more moral

and you can think that you’re more moral

and you can think that you’re more moral than those and

than those and

than those and other side and you can think they’re

other side and you can think they’re

other side and you can think they’re more ethical and you’ll find always good

more ethical and you’ll find always good

more ethical and you’ll find always good reasons why you are better and why you

reasons why you are better and why you

reasons why you are better and why you more ethical on my you know moral but

more ethical on my you know moral but

more ethical on my you know moral but when that wall goes away it’s amazing

when that wall goes away it’s amazing

when that wall goes away it’s amazing how we can come together I realize that

how we can come together I realize that

how we can come together I realize that that cycle of violence that they did

that cycle of violence that they did

that cycle of violence that they did this to me so I have to do that to them

this to me so I have to do that to them

this to me so I have to do that to them is the biggest problem that we have just

is the biggest problem that we have just

is the biggest problem that we have just because somebody did a horrible action

because somebody did a horrible action

because somebody did a horrible action and my brother was killed in this

and my brother was killed in this

and my brother was killed in this conflict

conflict

conflict it doesn’t mean my reaction has to be

it doesn’t mean my reaction has to be

it doesn’t mean my reaction has to be similar actually by reacting in the same

similar actually by reacting in the same

similar actually by reacting in the same way I was being a prisoner to that

way I was being a prisoner to that

way I was being a prisoner to that person who killed my brother instead I

person who killed my brother instead I

person who killed my brother instead I decided I’m going to take a different

decided I’m going to take a different

decided I’m going to take a different direction and taking a different

direction and taking a different

direction and taking a different direction is hard it’s not easy don’t um

direction is hard it’s not easy don’t um

direction is hard it’s not easy don’t um I’m not naive to think oh well I become

I’m not naive to think oh well I become

I’m not naive to think oh well I become a peace activist and everything is gonna

a peace activist and everything is gonna

a peace activist and everything is gonna be cool and nice it is a hard path you

be cool and nice it is a hard path you

be cool and nice it is a hard path you have to wake up every morning when you

have to wake up every morning when you

have to wake up every morning when you live over there and think which

live over there and think which

live over there and think which direction I’m gonna take you read the

direction I’m gonna take you read the

direction I’m gonna take you read the newspaper every day then you think this

newspaper every day then you think this

newspaper every day then you think this is depressing even as being talking to

is depressing even as being talking to

is depressing even as being talking to people here and I tell them what I do

people here and I tell them what I do

people here and I tell them what I do and the normal thing they’ll tell me how

and the normal thing they’ll tell me how

and the normal thing they’ll tell me how about what happened this week how about

about what happened this week how about

about what happened this week how about so-and-so Prime Minister because it is

so-and-so Prime Minister because it is

so-and-so Prime Minister because it is very depressing but then you think what

very depressing but then you think what

very depressing but then you think what is the other alternative do i watch

is the other alternative do i watch

is the other alternative do i watch what’s happening and do nothing or do i

what’s happening and do nothing or do i

what’s happening and do nothing or do i try and do something to make a

try and do something to make a

try and do something to make a difference one of the things I realize I

difference one of the things I realize I

difference one of the things I realize I have first of all to do is to learn the

have first of all to do is to learn the

have first of all to do is to learn the narrative and the story of the other and

narrative and the story of the other and

narrative and the story of the other and that’s a key thing learning about other

that’s a key thing learning about other

that’s a key thing learning about other people you know we were talking today

people you know we were talking today

people you know we were talking today about learning about animals learning

about learning about animals learning

about learning about animals learning about species learning about invasions

about species learning about invasions

about species learning about invasions or endangered areas but you’re not first

or endangered areas but you’re not first

or endangered areas but you’re not first of thing we have to learn also about

of thing we have to learn also about

of thing we have to learn also about each other know who is the people who

each other know who is the people who

each other know who is the people who living there people travel around the

living there people travel around the

living there people travel around the world see incredible sights and forget

world see incredible sights and forget

world see incredible sights and forget to see people we are neighbors and so I

to see people we are neighbors and so I

to see people we are neighbors and so I decided one of the important thing in

decided one of the important thing in

decided one of the important thing in Jewish history is the Holocaust

Jewish history is the Holocaust

Jewish history is the Holocaust Palestinians learn nothing about it I

Palestinians learn nothing about it I

Palestinians learn nothing about it I took a bus went to the Holocaust Museum

took a bus went to the Holocaust Museum

took a bus went to the Holocaust Museum I was the only Palestinian there walked

I was the only Palestinian there walked

I was the only Palestinian there walked around and there’s

around and there’s

around and there’s feeling if I recognize their pain then

feeling if I recognize their pain then

feeling if I recognize their pain then what does that make me feel am I giving

what does that make me feel am I giving

what does that make me feel am I giving up my own struggle my own feeling my own

up my own struggle my own feeling my own

up my own struggle my own feeling my own political ideas but it’s nonsense

political ideas but it’s nonsense

political ideas but it’s nonsense because it’s only when you recognize the

because it’s only when you recognize the

because it’s only when you recognize the other that you actually can’t connect

other that you actually can’t connect

other that you actually can’t connect with them this is Rami and Hanan I told

with them this is Rami and Hanan I told

with them this is Rami and Hanan I told you my story but I want to tell you

you my story but I want to tell you

you my story but I want to tell you another story Rami is one of my main

another story Rami is one of my main

another story Rami is one of my main partners in Israel

partners in Israel

partners in Israel he’s a graphic designer grew up as a

he’s a graphic designer grew up as a

he’s a graphic designer grew up as a soldier Israeli soldiers fought in the

soldier Israeli soldiers fought in the

soldier Israeli soldiers fought in the 73 war lost many of his friends in it

73 war lost many of his friends in it

73 war lost many of his friends in it we actually don’t call ourselves friends

we actually don’t call ourselves friends

we actually don’t call ourselves friends we call ourselves brothers because we

we call ourselves brothers because we

we call ourselves brothers because we spent tons of times together

spent tons of times together

spent tons of times together Rami lost his daughters Medora in a

Rami lost his daughters Medora in a

Rami lost his daughters Medora in a suicide bombing in 1997 September 4th a

suicide bombing in 1997 September 4th a

suicide bombing in 1997 September 4th a Palestinian suicide bomber blew up

Palestinian suicide bomber blew up

Palestinian suicide bomber blew up himself and destroyed the bottle that

himself and destroyed the bottle that

himself and destroyed the bottle that Rami lived in however just like my story

Rami lived in however just like my story

Rami lived in however just like my story Rami is very similar

Rami is very similar

Rami is very similar he decided that revenge is not the way

he decided that revenge is not the way

he decided that revenge is not the way and so we partnered together and with

and so we partnered together and with

and so we partnered together and with other Palestinian and Israeli bereaved

other Palestinian and Israeli bereaved

other Palestinian and Israeli bereaved families and said we gonna put an end to

families and said we gonna put an end to

families and said we gonna put an end to this cycle people use our stories and

this cycle people use our stories and

this cycle people use our stories and use us to spread more hatred and more

use us to spread more hatred and more

use us to spread more hatred and more vengeance and we said enough is enough

vengeance and we said enough is enough

vengeance and we said enough is enough our tears are as bitter our pain is the

our tears are as bitter our pain is the

our tears are as bitter our pain is the same and our blood color is the same you

same and our blood color is the same you

same and our blood color is the same you can’t use our stories we are the most

can’t use our stories we are the most

can’t use our stories we are the most justified to seek revenge and we say no

justified to seek revenge and we say no

justified to seek revenge and we say no and we started working together in the

and we started working together in the

and we started working together in the various projects I was just mentioned

various projects I was just mentioned

various projects I was just mentioned couple before moving on but one one of

couple before moving on but one one of

couple before moving on but one one of them was reaching out to the schools to

them was reaching out to the schools to

them was reaching out to the schools to communities to refugee camps or soldiers

communities to refugee camps or soldiers

communities to refugee camps or soldiers and saying we want to come and talk to

and saying we want to come and talk to

and saying we want to come and talk to you and we would go and meet with

you and we would go and meet with

you and we would go and meet with Israeli students and Palestinian

Israeli students and Palestinian

Israeli students and Palestinian students in high schools and it’s

students in high schools and it’s

students in high schools and it’s amazing because these students have

amazing because these students have

amazing because these students have never if the Israeli meta Palestinian

never if the Israeli meta Palestinian

never if the Israeli meta Palestinian before and if the Palestinian have never

before and if the Palestinian have never

before and if the Palestinian have never met an Israeli before isn’t that amazing

met an Israeli before isn’t that amazing

met an Israeli before isn’t that amazing we live minutes away from each other but

we live minutes away from each other but

we live minutes away from each other but they have a lot of ideas about

they have a lot of ideas about

they have a lot of ideas about and the other side and they crazy and

and the other side and they crazy and

and the other side and they crazy and all of that and so when we meet with

all of that and so when we meet with

all of that and so when we meet with them and tell them our story some of

them and tell them our story some of

them and tell them our story some of them will storm out and tell us crazy

them will storm out and tell us crazy

them will storm out and tell us crazy things but we created a connection every

things but we created a connection every

things but we created a connection every year we did 1,000 meetings with Israeli

year we did 1,000 meetings with Israeli

year we did 1,000 meetings with Israeli and Palestinian high school students

and Palestinian high school students

and Palestinian high school students other than community meetings colleges

other than community meetings colleges

other than community meetings colleges police officers refugee camps and

police officers refugee camps and

police officers refugee camps and reaching over 30 to 40,000 people every

reaching over 30 to 40,000 people every

reaching over 30 to 40,000 people every year that’s the way to break that wall

year that’s the way to break that wall

year that’s the way to break that wall that’s a way to break the normal

that’s a way to break the normal

that’s a way to break the normal ignorance and fear that exists we did

ignorance and fear that exists we did

ignorance and fear that exists we did the stuff that we wanted to reach the

the stuff that we wanted to reach the

the stuff that we wanted to reach the media through so for example we we once

media through so for example we we once

media through so for example we we once had some Palestinians across the border

had some Palestinians across the border

had some Palestinians across the border go to Israel and donate the blood to

go to Israel and donate the blood to

go to Israel and donate the blood to Israelis who were wounded by

Israelis who were wounded by

Israelis who were wounded by Palestinians and then we had these

Palestinians and then we had these

Palestinians and then we had these rallies illegally crossing to Palestine

rallies illegally crossing to Palestine

rallies illegally crossing to Palestine and donate the blood to Palestinians who

and donate the blood to Palestinians who

and donate the blood to Palestinians who were wounded and we had a very simple

were wounded and we had a very simple

were wounded and we had a very simple message instead of killing each other we

message instead of killing each other we

message instead of killing each other we can help each other live we can coexist

can help each other live we can coexist

can help each other live we can coexist and we can show it by saying our blood

and we can show it by saying our blood

and we can show it by saying our blood is the same you know it’s funny when I

is the same you know it’s funny when I

is the same you know it’s funny when I tell this around here and the state’s

tell this around here and the state’s

tell this around here and the state’s people would ask me so the blood of

people would ask me so the blood of

people would ask me so the blood of Palestinians and Israelis can mix is it

Palestinians and Israelis can mix is it

Palestinians and Israelis can mix is it is it kosher that is how polarized we

is it kosher that is how polarized we

is it kosher that is how polarized we are it’s not a palestinian-israeli issue

are it’s not a palestinian-israeli issue

are it’s not a palestinian-israeli issue by the way it’s a world issue where the

by the way it’s a world issue where the

by the way it’s a world issue where the moment you have an enemy you you want to

moment you have an enemy you you want to

moment you have an enemy you you want to draw a line and say they’d their we here

draw a line and say they’d their we here

draw a line and say they’d their we here we don’t like them they don’t like us

we don’t like them they don’t like us

we don’t like them they don’t like us and that’s it and that’s not true we

and that’s it and that’s not true we

and that’s it and that’s not true we have way more to work together we have

have way more to work together we have

have way more to work together we have way more that brings us together than

way more that brings us together than

way more that brings us together than separates us three years ago I started

separates us three years ago I started

separates us three years ago I started working with George Mason University and

working with George Mason University and

working with George Mason University and when I moved here one of the things I

when I moved here one of the things I

when I moved here one of the things I realized is the same polarization have a

realized is the same polarization have a

realized is the same polarization have a couple minutes I’m gonna go through

couple minutes I’m gonna go through

couple minutes I’m gonna go through quickly but talk more then I thought the

quickly but talk more then I thought the

quickly but talk more then I thought the polarization is is much more than just

polarization is is much more than just

polarization is is much more than just in Israel Palestine it also exists here

in Israel Palestine it also exists here

in Israel Palestine it also exists here and we wanted to start bringing groups

and we wanted to start bringing groups

and we wanted to start bringing groups to show American Jews Christians Muslims

to show American Jews Christians Muslims

to show American Jews Christians Muslims here students that they can be involved

here students that they can be involved

here students that they can be involved in the saloon

in the saloon

in the saloon instead of the problem and you know

instead of the problem and you know

instead of the problem and you know people go and tour Palestine in Israel

people go and tour Palestine in Israel

people go and tour Palestine in Israel and see you know archaeology and history

and see you know archaeology and history

and see you know archaeology and history stay in nice hotel and never meet a

stay in nice hotel and never meet a

stay in nice hotel and never meet a person and everyone they want to meet a

person and everyone they want to meet a

person and everyone they want to meet a person they’ll go either in a

person they’ll go either in a

person they’ll go either in a Palestinian trip and come back very anti

Palestinian trip and come back very anti

Palestinian trip and come back very anti Israel or go on an Israeli trip and come

Israel or go on an Israeli trip and come

Israel or go on an Israeli trip and come back hating every Jew that ever existed

back hating every Jew that ever existed

back hating every Jew that ever existed and we say that’s not the way so we

and we say that’s not the way so we

and we say that’s not the way so we started an enterprise called mesh

started an enterprise called mesh

started an enterprise called mesh detours to bring people to learn from

detours to bring people to learn from

detours to bring people to learn from each other to bring people that can

each other to bring people that can

each other to bring people that can actually be together and so these are

actually be together and so these are

actually be together and so these are some pictures of some of the groups that

some pictures of some of the groups that

some pictures of some of the groups that brought this is a cab who is a Sufi

brought this is a cab who is a Sufi

brought this is a cab who is a Sufi guide this is the road we visit areas

guide this is the road we visit areas

guide this is the road we visit areas that actually suffer it’s a Jewish town

that actually suffer it’s a Jewish town

that actually suffer it’s a Jewish town that was hit by Palestinian rockets from

that was hit by Palestinian rockets from

that was hit by Palestinian rockets from Gaza this is a guy who does dialogue

Gaza this is a guy who does dialogue

Gaza this is a guy who does dialogue with people from Gaza even though he’s

with people from Gaza even though he’s

with people from Gaza even though he’s being hit by those Rockets and you have

being hit by those Rockets and you have

being hit by those Rockets and you have Palestinians in Gaza part who do the

Palestinians in Gaza part who do the

Palestinians in Gaza part who do the same this is the wall that separates the

same this is the wall that separates the

same this is the wall that separates the two sides and we go and talk and deal

two sides and we go and talk and deal

two sides and we go and talk and deal with these issues from both sides we

with these issues from both sides we

with these issues from both sides we meet the Israelis and Palestinians this

meet the Israelis and Palestinians this

meet the Israelis and Palestinians this is a bedouin guy that normally people go

is a bedouin guy that normally people go

is a bedouin guy that normally people go there and never know that there are bad

there and never know that there are bad

there and never know that there are bad ones who have their own problems by the

ones who have their own problems by the

ones who have their own problems by the way they’re doing projects and solar and

way they’re doing projects and solar and

way they’re doing projects and solar and stuff and getting operations railways

stuff and getting operations railways

stuff and getting operations railways and Palestinians to help them this is a

and Palestinians to help them this is a

and Palestinians to help them this is a Druze family people go there and don’t

Druze family people go there and don’t

Druze family people go there and don’t know what is even Druze these are the

know what is even Druze these are the

know what is even Druze these are the most people who lose family members in

most people who lose family members in

most people who lose family members in that conflict they’re in proportion to

that conflict they’re in proportion to

that conflict they’re in proportion to of their children of these this couple

of their children of these this couple

of their children of these this couple were killed as soldiers Israeli soldiers

were killed as soldiers Israeli soldiers

were killed as soldiers Israeli soldiers this is a Jew militia group who went to

this is a Jew militia group who went to

this is a Jew militia group who went to a Palestinian refugee camp slept two

a Palestinian refugee camp slept two

a Palestinian refugee camp slept two nights in Palestinian homes ate drank

nights in Palestinian homes ate drank

nights in Palestinian homes ate drank everything with them this is what

everything with them this is what

everything with them this is what bringing stereotypes a Christian group

bringing stereotypes a Christian group

bringing stereotypes a Christian group who doing domestic violence issues we

who doing domestic violence issues we

who doing domestic violence issues we don’t only talk about politics

don’t only talk about politics

don’t only talk about politics a rabbi volunteering in an Arab school

a rabbi volunteering in an Arab school

a rabbi volunteering in an Arab school that was vandalized planting a tree

that was vandalized planting a tree

that was vandalized planting a tree together Arabs Jews Muslims interfaith

together Arabs Jews Muslims interfaith

together Arabs Jews Muslims interfaith youth all of that together so what makes

youth all of that together so what makes

youth all of that together so what makes a difference you have normally three

a difference you have normally three

a difference you have normally three options if there is a fire in a building

options if there is a fire in a building

options if there is a fire in a building you have three options of what you can

you have three options of what you can

you have three options of what you can do you either run away which is what

do you either run away which is what

do you either run away which is what most people do you know especially you

most people do you know especially you

most people do you know especially you live in five six thousand miles away why

live in five six thousand miles away why

live in five six thousand miles away why should you care but you know it does

should you care but you know it does

should you care but you know it does affect your life that’s what must be

affect your life that’s what must be

affect your life that’s what must be run away the second you decide to create

run away the second you decide to create

run away the second you decide to create a committee and decide who’s responsible

a committee and decide who’s responsible

a committee and decide who’s responsible for this conflict is it the Israelis or

for this conflict is it the Israelis or

for this conflict is it the Israelis or the Palestinians I think it’s the Brits

the Palestinians I think it’s the Brits

the Palestinians I think it’s the Brits but that’s a different story okay that

but that’s a different story okay that

but that’s a different story okay that laugh is taken from my time and it’s

laugh is taken from my time and it’s

laugh is taken from my time and it’s America and the third option is to bring

America and the third option is to bring

America and the third option is to bring your pocket will fill it with water and

your pocket will fill it with water and

your pocket will fill it with water and then put it on the fire if you don’t

then put it on the fire if you don’t

then put it on the fire if you don’t have a bucket you bring a cup you fill

have a bucket you bring a cup you fill

have a bucket you bring a cup you fill it with water and you put it on the fire

it with water and you put it on the fire

it with water and you put it on the fire and if you don’t have a cup you bring a

and if you don’t have a cup you bring a

and if you don’t have a cup you bring a spoon and you fill it with water and you

spoon and you fill it with water and you

spoon and you fill it with water and you put it on the fire but with really a

put it on the fire but with really a

put it on the fire but with really a person with a spoon be able to end the

person with a spoon be able to end the

person with a spoon be able to end the conflict no but if everyone here is

conflict no but if everyone here is

conflict no but if everyone here is willing to take that spoon if you

willing to take that spoon if you

willing to take that spoon if you willing to take that risk and care a

willing to take that risk and care a

willing to take that risk and care a little bit about what’s happening 5,000

little bit about what’s happening 5,000

little bit about what’s happening 5,000 miles away then it is possible I want to

miles away then it is possible I want to

miles away then it is possible I want to end it’s 40 seconds long so it’s short I

end it’s 40 seconds long so it’s short I

end it’s 40 seconds long so it’s short I want you to see this video and this

want you to see this video and this

want you to see this video and this video is my hope and vision for what’s

video is my hope and vision for what’s

video is my hope and vision for what’s possible in Israel Palestine

so the cool thing I can sell throw rocks

so the cool thing I can sell throw rocks just not at people we can do this we can

just not at people we can do this we can

just not at people we can do this we can play baseball thank you

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