you can prevent a terrorist attack I have and I know if you look at me and if
have and I know if you look at me and if
have and I know if you look at me and if you know I’m professor and if something
you know I’m professor and if something
you know I’m professor and if something useless like theology or philosophy that
useless like theology or philosophy that
useless like theology or philosophy that doesn’t seem very believable but my
doesn’t seem very believable but my
doesn’t seem very believable but my colleagues and I prevented a suicide
colleagues and I prevented a suicide
colleagues and I prevented a suicide bombing that was going to happen in that
bombing that was going to happen in that
bombing that was going to happen in that big shopping center in Bristol so
big shopping center in Bristol so
big shopping center in Bristol so whatever your background you can prevent
whatever your background you can prevent
whatever your background you can prevent a terrorist attack doesn’t matter if
a terrorist attack doesn’t matter if
a terrorist attack doesn’t matter if you’re Muslim or non-muslim or what
you’re Muslim or non-muslim or what
you’re Muslim or non-muslim or what background in fact so far the biggest
background in fact so far the biggest
background in fact so far the biggest haul of explosive and weapons amassed to
haul of explosive and weapons amassed to
haul of explosive and weapons amassed to commit a terrorist attack in this
commit a terrorist attack in this
commit a terrorist attack in this country with a mast by a Christian it
country with a mast by a Christian it
country with a mast by a Christian it was a regular attender of his Anglican
was a regular attender of his Anglican
was a regular attender of his Anglican Church intending to kill as many Muslims
Church intending to kill as many Muslims
Church intending to kill as many Muslims as possible it doesn’t matter if you’re
as possible it doesn’t matter if you’re
as possible it doesn’t matter if you’re not a police officer
not a police officer
not a police officer remember the security services or in
remember the security services or in
remember the security services or in government in fact if there’s one thing
government in fact if there’s one thing
government in fact if there’s one thing that I’ve learned over the last ten
that I’ve learned over the last ten
that I’ve learned over the last ten years of working in this area is we
years of working in this area is we
years of working in this area is we cannot leave this to governments we
cannot leave this to governments we
cannot leave this to governments we cannot entrust them with preventing the
cannot entrust them with preventing the
cannot entrust them with preventing the recruitment of people to violent groups
recruitment of people to violent groups
recruitment of people to violent groups in fact there are particular reasons why
in fact there are particular reasons why
in fact there are particular reasons why you are more effective at preventing
you are more effective at preventing
you are more effective at preventing terrorist recruitment of any kind than
terrorist recruitment of any kind than
terrorist recruitment of any kind than mi5 or the security services in your
mi5 or the security services in your
mi5 or the security services in your country but you do need a strategy and
country but you do need a strategy and
country but you do need a strategy and while that might sound boring there was
while that might sound boring there was
while that might sound boring there was a wonderful saying from the podium which
a wonderful saying from the podium which
a wonderful saying from the podium which was you might not be interested in
was you might not be interested in
was you might not be interested in strategy that strategy is interested in
strategy that strategy is interested in
strategy that strategy is interested in you this is called the management of
you this is called the management of
you this is called the management of savagery
savagery
savagery and it came out in 2004 and it was the
and it came out in 2004 and it was the
and it came out in 2004 and it was the manual so to speak the strategy that the
manual so to speak the strategy that the
manual so to speak the strategy that the so-called Islamic state Isis was going
so-called Islamic state Isis was going
so-called Islamic state Isis was going to use so here are a few points of their
to use so here are a few points of their
to use so here are a few points of their strategy as foretold in this manual
strategy as foretold in this manual
strategy as foretold in this manual first of all they want
first of all they want
first of all they want draw the West into a deeper military
draw the West into a deeper military
draw the West into a deeper military conflict they’re not trying to avoid the
conflict they’re not trying to avoid the
conflict they’re not trying to avoid the bombing quite the opposite they want to
bombing quite the opposite they want to
bombing quite the opposite they want to suck other countries into Middle Eastern
suck other countries into Middle Eastern
suck other countries into Middle Eastern war so that we pour out our blood and
war so that we pour out our blood and
war so that we pour out our blood and pour out our money into this war
secondly another point they make is they
secondly another point they make is they want people to go for soft targets what
want people to go for soft targets what
want people to go for soft targets what that means is us not soldiers or
that means is us not soldiers or
that means is us not soldiers or assassinating presidents they want to go
assassinating presidents they want to go
assassinating presidents they want to go for ordinary people like us ordinary
for ordinary people like us ordinary
for ordinary people like us ordinary civilians first of all because they
civilians first of all because they
civilians first of all because they actually want us to drive our societies
actually want us to drive our societies
actually want us to drive our societies into a police state or a security state
into a police state or a security state
into a police state or a security state so life becomes more and more
so life becomes more and more
so life becomes more and more intolerable for us with the Muslims that
intolerable for us with the Muslims that
intolerable for us with the Muslims that live in those countries and so that so
live in those countries and so that so
live in those countries and so that so much of our energy and resources get
much of our energy and resources get
much of our energy and resources get wrapped up in fighting them second
wrapped up in fighting them second
wrapped up in fighting them second reason though that they want to go for
reason though that they want to go for
reason though that they want to go for soft targets because their key message
soft targets because their key message
soft targets because their key message is the persecution of all Muslims by
is the persecution of all Muslims by
is the persecution of all Muslims by non-muslims you want to turn non-muslims
non-muslims you want to turn non-muslims
non-muslims you want to turn non-muslims against Muslims in outrage over the
against Muslims in outrage over the
against Muslims in outrage over the attacks just as they’re trying to turn
attacks just as they’re trying to turn
attacks just as they’re trying to turn rusyns against non-muslims and they want
rusyns against non-muslims and they want
rusyns against non-muslims and they want to persuade Muslims in other countries
to persuade Muslims in other countries
to persuade Muslims in other countries that they cannot live there that it’s
that they cannot live there that it’s
that they cannot live there that it’s impossible to live out your life and
impossible to live out your life and
impossible to live out your life and your faith in the country where you are
your faith in the country where you are
your faith in the country where you are because the hostility of other people
because the hostility of other people
because the hostility of other people towards you your faith how you express
towards you your faith how you express
towards you your faith how you express it how you dress and another point of
it how you dress and another point of
it how you dress and another point of theirs is the kill offer or the
theirs is the kill offer or the
theirs is the kill offer or the Caliphate because they want you to leave
Caliphate because they want you to leave
Caliphate because they want you to leave that country where you are and emigrate
that country where you are and emigrate
that country where you are and emigrate to what they claim is the Islamic state
to what they claim is the Islamic state
to what they claim is the Islamic state they’ve created and they claim is an
they’ve created and they claim is an
they’ve created and they claim is an obligation on all Muslims to come and
obligation on all Muslims to come and
obligation on all Muslims to come and migrate and build that state so those
migrate and build that state so those
migrate and build that state so those are some features of their strategy now
are some features of their strategy now
are some features of their strategy now a lot of people will say the problem is
a lot of people will say the problem is
a lot of people will say the problem is the ideology problem is the ideology
the ideology problem is the ideology
the ideology problem is the ideology it’s not foreign policy it’s not poverty
it’s not foreign policy it’s not poverty
it’s not foreign policy it’s not poverty it’s not the alienation or the
it’s not the alienation or the
it’s not the alienation or the Islamophobia that people experience it’s
Islamophobia that people experience it’s
Islamophobia that people experience it’s all about the ideology we have to
all about the ideology we have to
all about the ideology we have to eradicate the ideology I think that’s
eradicate the ideology I think that’s
eradicate the ideology I think that’s not very helpful
not very helpful
not very helpful why it’s a bit like asking why has it
why it’s a bit like asking why has it
why it’s a bit like asking why has it been arise in teenage pregnancy say and
been arise in teenage pregnancy say and
been arise in teenage pregnancy say and if someone tells you the explanation for
if someone tells you the explanation for
if someone tells you the explanation for the rise in teenage pregnancies is
the rise in teenage pregnancies is
the rise in teenage pregnancies is because more and more teenagers are
because more and more teenagers are
because more and more teenagers are having unprotected sex well obviously
having unprotected sex well obviously
having unprotected sex well obviously they are what we want to know is why
they are what we want to know is why
they are what we want to know is why what we want to know is why some people
what we want to know is why some people
what we want to know is why some people are susceptible to this ideology and
are susceptible to this ideology and
are susceptible to this ideology and some people totally not now
some people totally not now
some people totally not now unfortunately for those people that want
unfortunately for those people that want
unfortunately for those people that want quick and easy answers and quick and
quick and easy answers and quick and
quick and easy answers and quick and easy solutions and they don’t want to
easy solutions and they don’t want to
easy solutions and they don’t want to spend too much time thinking about it
spend too much time thinking about it
spend too much time thinking about it there are none academics of course and
there are none academics of course and
there are none academics of course and others have put forward lots of
others have put forward lots of
others have put forward lots of different reasons and all of them seem
different reasons and all of them seem
different reasons and all of them seem kind of plausible but they don’t apply
kind of plausible but they don’t apply
kind of plausible but they don’t apply to different cases and in the end the
to different cases and in the end the
to different cases and in the end the British security service or mi5 s
British security service or mi5 s
British security service or mi5 s concluded there is no one profile there
concluded there is no one profile there
concluded there is no one profile there is no one pattern there’s no one type of
is no one pattern there’s no one type of
is no one pattern there’s no one type of person who becomes a terrorist either
person who becomes a terrorist either
person who becomes a terrorist either the far-right racist variety or of
the far-right racist variety or of
the far-right racist variety or of al-qaeda inspired or isis types there’s
al-qaeda inspired or isis types there’s
al-qaeda inspired or isis types there’s no one time but i’ve learned that there
no one time but i’ve learned that there
no one time but i’ve learned that there are common themes whether you’re talking
are common themes whether you’re talking
are common themes whether you’re talking about a bedroom online fantasized
about a bedroom online fantasized
about a bedroom online fantasized warrior or whether you’re talking about
warrior or whether you’re talking about
warrior or whether you’re talking about someone who’s already very alienated
someone who’s already very alienated
someone who’s already very alienated already engaging in criminal activities
already engaging in criminal activities
already engaging in criminal activities not at all religious but then finds a
not at all religious but then finds a
not at all religious but then finds a cause and joins a violent group all of
cause and joins a violent group all of
cause and joins a violent group all of them have something in common and that
them have something in common and that
them have something in common and that is that for whatever reason isis or
is that for whatever reason isis or
is that for whatever reason isis or whatever groups targeting them it’s
whatever groups targeting them it’s
whatever groups targeting them it’s meeting a need that hasn’t been met in
meeting a need that hasn’t been met in
meeting a need that hasn’t been met in their lives in some more healthy way
their lives in some more healthy way
their lives in some more healthy way it’s meeting a need now we all have core
it’s meeting a need now we all have core
it’s meeting a need now we all have core needs that go beyond air food water
needs that go beyond air food water
needs that go beyond air food water shelter we have psychological needs or a
shelter we have psychological needs or a
shelter we have psychological needs or a sense of belonging or acceptance for
sense of belonging or acceptance for
sense of belonging or acceptance for bonding with others we also have I
bonding with others we also have I
bonding with others we also have I believe higher needs for a sense of
believe higher needs for a sense of
believe higher needs for a sense of meaning you need to have an impact on
meaning you need to have an impact on
meaning you need to have an impact on the
the
the world to be able to make a difference we
world to be able to make a difference we
world to be able to make a difference we also have a need to belong to something
also have a need to belong to something
also have a need to belong to something greater than ourselves with a great
greater than ourselves with a great
greater than ourselves with a great mission and a great purpose those are
mission and a great purpose those are
mission and a great purpose those are higher needs that are not so easily met
higher needs that are not so easily met
higher needs that are not so easily met in our society of course we also have
in our society of course we also have
in our society of course we also have desires that we can live without but are
desires that we can live without but are
desires that we can live without but are very very compelling for us so we might
very very compelling for us so we might
very very compelling for us so we might have a need to belong and that’s what we
have a need to belong and that’s what we
have a need to belong and that’s what we need in order to be mentally healthy who
need in order to be mentally healthy who
need in order to be mentally healthy who have a desire that the group or the
have a desire that the group or the
have a desire that the group or the identity that we belong with is
identity that we belong with is
identity that we belong with is fantastic it’s brilliant it’s better
fantastic it’s brilliant it’s better
fantastic it’s brilliant it’s better than others it’s got the right answers
than others it’s got the right answers
than others it’s got the right answers so we have further desires and people
so we have further desires and people
so we have further desires and people can tap into those desires it can be so
can tap into those desires it can be so
can tap into those desires it can be so compelling as to be almost addictive but
compelling as to be almost addictive but
compelling as to be almost addictive but also a third thing that we also crave a
also a third thing that we also crave a
also a third thing that we also crave a portrait of ourselves an image of
portrait of ourselves an image of
portrait of ourselves an image of ourselves that we find appealing and
ourselves that we find appealing and
ourselves that we find appealing and satisfying or impressive and if you can
satisfying or impressive and if you can
satisfying or impressive and if you can dangle that in front of somebody and say
dangle that in front of somebody and say
dangle that in front of somebody and say here’s who you are here’s who you can be
here’s who you are here’s who you can be
here’s who you are here’s who you can be if you come with us that is about the
if you come with us that is about the
if you come with us that is about the most seductive message that you can hear
most seductive message that you can hear
most seductive message that you can hear we all have our fantasies but our
we all have our fantasies but our
we all have our fantasies but our fantasies especially about ourselves can
fantasies especially about ourselves can
fantasies especially about ourselves can be a great source of vulnerability it
be a great source of vulnerability it
be a great source of vulnerability it can make us very Mull nerble to
can make us very Mull nerble to
can make us very Mull nerble to manipulation by anyone who can read that
manipulation by anyone who can read that
manipulation by anyone who can read that fantasy so if you’re some fantasy is
fantasy so if you’re some fantasy is
fantasy so if you’re some fantasy is about glory about power about violence
about glory about power about violence
about glory about power about violence about being a great warrior or a soldier
about being a great warrior or a soldier
about being a great warrior or a soldier about achieving the sort of a steam and
about achieving the sort of a steam and
about achieving the sort of a steam and aberration of others a lot of people are
aberration of others a lot of people are
aberration of others a lot of people are really bewilder if we look at isis in
really bewilder if we look at isis in
really bewilder if we look at isis in particular it’s been so spectacularly
particular it’s been so spectacularly
particular it’s been so spectacularly successful and recruiting from unlikely
successful and recruiting from unlikely
successful and recruiting from unlikely sources they’re bewildered by why happy
sources they’re bewildered by why happy
sources they’re bewildered by why happy well-adjusted successful intelligent
well-adjusted successful intelligent
well-adjusted successful intelligent teenagers for example girls and women at
teenagers for example girls and women at
teenagers for example girls and women at fallen prey or been vulnerable to
fallen prey or been vulnerable to
fallen prey or been vulnerable to recruitment by this group and here’s one
recruitment by this group and here’s one
recruitment by this group and here’s one thing to think about
thing to think about
thing to think about this particular generation of teenagers
this particular generation of teenagers
this particular generation of teenagers of young Muslims ones who have grown up
of young Muslims ones who have grown up
of young Muslims ones who have grown up in the shadow of those falling towers on
in the shadow of those falling towers on
in the shadow of those falling towers on 9/11 and 7/7 this is the generation that
9/11 and 7/7 this is the generation that
9/11 and 7/7 this is the generation that has grown up in the wake of the
has grown up in the wake of the
has grown up in the wake of the terrorist attacks and the war on terror
terrorist attacks and the war on terror
terrorist attacks and the war on terror and while those attacks are horrific and
and while those attacks are horrific and
and while those attacks are horrific and evil we also need to recognize the
evil we also need to recognize the
evil we also need to recognize the damage that they’ve done to Muslims
damage that they’ve done to Muslims
damage that they’ve done to Muslims themselves who were not responsible
themselves who were not responsible
themselves who were not responsible we’re not involved and don’t sympathize
we’re not involved and don’t sympathize
we’re not involved and don’t sympathize those attacks not just 9/11 but nine
those attacks not just 9/11 but nine
those attacks not just 9/11 but nine twelve the impact on these people if you
twelve the impact on these people if you
twelve the impact on these people if you stop and consider if you’re not Muslim
stop and consider if you’re not Muslim
stop and consider if you’re not Muslim consider what it must be like to have
consider what it must be like to have
consider what it must be like to have spent your life growing up being told
spent your life growing up being told
spent your life growing up being told that you are a threat and whatever
that you are a threat and whatever
that you are a threat and whatever support you’ve had from others from your
support you’ve had from others from your
support you’ve had from others from your parents from a small circle the wider
parents from a small circle the wider
parents from a small circle the wider society it’s full of so many negative
society it’s full of so many negative
society it’s full of so many negative images about your being and your
images about your being and your
images about your being and your identity have you ever gone online and
identity have you ever gone online and
identity have you ever gone online and read the comments at the bottom of
read the comments at the bottom of
read the comments at the bottom of articles any article to do with Muslims
articles any article to do with Muslims
articles any article to do with Muslims or security situations or terrorism even
or security situations or terrorism even
or security situations or terrorism even in mainstream papers like The Guardian
in mainstream papers like The Guardian
in mainstream papers like The Guardian or the Washington Post online some of
or the Washington Post online some of
or the Washington Post online some of the comments are horrific vicious and
the comments are horrific vicious and
the comments are horrific vicious and these are the ones that make it past the
these are the ones that make it past the
these are the ones that make it past the moderators and worse they often go
moderators and worse they often go
moderators and worse they often go beyond just talking about specific
beyond just talking about specific
beyond just talking about specific terrorists and you will find comments
terrorists and you will find comments
terrorists and you will find comments about all Muslims
about all Muslims
about all Muslims I like this deluded violent or danger or
I like this deluded violent or danger or
I like this deluded violent or danger or a threat really vicious comments now if
a threat really vicious comments now if
a threat really vicious comments now if those were about an individual you would
those were about an individual you would
those were about an individual you would recognize it that’s terrible bullying
recognize it that’s terrible bullying
recognize it that’s terrible bullying and we know that online bullying has
and we know that online bullying has
and we know that online bullying has made some people take their lives if
made some people take their lives if
made some people take their lives if they’re young and very affected by it
they’re young and very affected by it
they’re young and very affected by it the fact that is talking about a group
the fact that is talking about a group
the fact that is talking about a group and doesn’t name you does not make a
and doesn’t name you does not make a
and doesn’t name you does not make a difference it’s still about you Isis
difference it’s still about you Isis
difference it’s still about you Isis in contrast when it’s reaching out to
in contrast when it’s reaching out to
in contrast when it’s reaching out to young people it is full of positive
young people it is full of positive
young people it is full of positive messages about them
messages about them
messages about them it values them it takes them seriously
it values them it takes them seriously
it values them it takes them seriously it addresses their concerns it
it addresses their concerns it
it addresses their concerns it positively love bombs them when they
positively love bombs them when they
positively love bombs them when they engage with someone through online media
engage with someone through online media
engage with someone through online media they have a whole suite of volunteers
they have a whole suite of volunteers
they have a whole suite of volunteers doing this when they engage with someone
doing this when they engage with someone
doing this when they engage with someone they can spend literally hundreds of
they can spend literally hundreds of
they can spend literally hundreds of hours of one-to-one contact responding
hours of one-to-one contact responding
hours of one-to-one contact responding to questions responding to the
to questions responding to the
to questions responding to the challenges or reservations that people
challenges or reservations that people
challenges or reservations that people make they also like to show their soft
make they also like to show their soft
make they also like to show their soft side it was a whole Twitter account
side it was a whole Twitter account
side it was a whole Twitter account about cats in the Islamic state which
about cats in the Islamic state which
about cats in the Islamic state which was taken down and this picture this
was taken down and this picture this
was taken down and this picture this poor little kitten was rescued from
poor little kitten was rescued from
poor little kitten was rescued from bombed out ruins by this wonderful man
bombed out ruins by this wonderful man
bombed out ruins by this wonderful man is so manly and so caring
is so manly and so caring
is so manly and so caring recruiters know something that
recruiters know something that
recruiters know something that salespeople know and I suspect a few
salespeople know and I suspect a few
salespeople know and I suspect a few politicians know it as well if you can
politicians know it as well if you can
politicians know it as well if you can articulate the truths about someone’s
articulate the truths about someone’s
articulate the truths about someone’s existence and get it right you’ve got
existence and get it right you’ve got
existence and get it right you’ve got them hooked if you can describe
them hooked if you can describe
them hooked if you can describe something about their life and you’ve
something about their life and you’ve
something about their life and you’ve hit the nail on the head you’ve suddenly
hit the nail on the head you’ve suddenly
hit the nail on the head you’ve suddenly gained in credibility the one thing that
gained in credibility the one thing that
gained in credibility the one thing that they’ve talked about that you know about
they’ve talked about that you know about
they’ve talked about that you know about they were right it was true so when they
they were right it was true so when they
they were right it was true so when they go on to talk about other things you’re
go on to talk about other things you’re
go on to talk about other things you’re not so sure on you begin to give them
not so sure on you begin to give them
not so sure on you begin to give them the benefit of the doubt and so if Isis
the benefit of the doubt and so if Isis
the benefit of the doubt and so if Isis recruiters talk about the aggression in
recruiters talk about the aggression in
recruiters talk about the aggression in the hatred that they face as Muslims in
the hatred that they face as Muslims in
the hatred that they face as Muslims in a non Muslim majority country and that
a non Muslim majority country and that
a non Muslim majority country and that is their experience than they are
is their experience than they are
is their experience than they are credible what this means is that if our
credible what this means is that if our
credible what this means is that if our societies are full of antagonism or full
societies are full of antagonism or full
societies are full of antagonism or full of bullying or full of misrepresentation
of bullying or full of misrepresentation
of bullying or full of misrepresentation terrorists recruiters are credible the
terrorists recruiters are credible the
terrorists recruiters are credible the same thing can be said for racist native
same thing can be said for racist native
same thing can be said for racist native it’s supremacist groups what that means
it’s supremacist groups what that means
it’s supremacist groups what that means therefore is that we have the power
therefore is that we have the power
therefore is that we have the power to make terrorist messaging true or
to make terrorist messaging true or
to make terrorist messaging true or false so what should that mean for your
false so what should that mean for your
false so what should that mean for your for our counterterrorism strategy our
for our counterterrorism strategy our
for our counterterrorism strategy our strategy to prevent recruitment to
strategy to prevent recruitment to
strategy to prevent recruitment to violent groups first thing I would say
violent groups first thing I would say
violent groups first thing I would say is don’t spin a counter narrative and
is don’t spin a counter narrative and
is don’t spin a counter narrative and here I’m going against years and years
here I’m going against years and years
here I’m going against years and years of government strategies because it’s
of government strategies because it’s
of government strategies because it’s been a feature for many years in this
been a feature for many years in this
been a feature for many years in this country in America and other countries
country in America and other countries
country in America and other countries that we have to have a counter narrative
that we have to have a counter narrative
that we have to have a counter narrative what that means is that al-qaeda and now
what that means is that al-qaeda and now
what that means is that al-qaeda and now Isis have put together a particular
Isis have put together a particular
Isis have put together a particular narrative of that story they tell the
narrative of that story they tell the
narrative of that story they tell the history of the world right down to the
history of the world right down to the
history of the world right down to the experience of local Muslims that makes
experience of local Muslims that makes
experience of local Muslims that makes sense within their lands of people’s
sense within their lands of people’s
sense within their lands of people’s experience in the events of history
experience in the events of history
experience in the events of history heroes and villains as you would imagine
heroes and villains as you would imagine
heroes and villains as you would imagine so a key plank of many countries
so a key plank of many countries
so a key plank of many countries counterterrorism strategy is to have a
counterterrorism strategy is to have a
counterterrorism strategy is to have a counter narrative I think there are some
counter narrative I think there are some
counter narrative I think there are some things wrong with this and one I have to
things wrong with this and one I have to
things wrong with this and one I have to say is that I’ve never come across a
say is that I’ve never come across a
say is that I’ve never come across a counter narrative thrilling enough to
counter narrative thrilling enough to
counter narrative thrilling enough to compete with what they can come up with
compete with what they can come up with
compete with what they can come up with we do better with call of duty or
we do better with call of duty or
we do better with call of duty or something like that to give people that
something like that to give people that
something like that to give people that sense of adventure
sense of adventure
sense of adventure another problem with it is that many
another problem with it is that many
another problem with it is that many people who are attracted to violent or
people who are attracted to violent or
people who are attracted to violent or extreme groups obviously have a bit of
extreme groups obviously have a bit of
extreme groups obviously have a bit of the rebel about them a bit of the an
the rebel about them a bit of the an
the rebel about them a bit of the an anti-authoritarian streak so pumping up
anti-authoritarian streak so pumping up
anti-authoritarian streak so pumping up the government message which they have
the government message which they have
the government message which they have to take on board is bound to fall flat
to take on board is bound to fall flat
to take on board is bound to fall flat so in fact we should be encouraging
so in fact we should be encouraging
so in fact we should be encouraging criticism of these cover of our
criticism of these cover of our
criticism of these cover of our governments criticism of the
governments criticism of the
governments criticism of the establishment which naturally they would
establishment which naturally they would
establishment which naturally they would like to discourage instead of trying to
like to discourage instead of trying to
like to discourage instead of trying to spin some counter narrative what we need
spin some counter narrative what we need
spin some counter narrative what we need to do is demonstrate that the terrorist
to do is demonstrate that the terrorist
to do is demonstrate that the terrorist message whichever side terrorism it is
message whichever side terrorism it is
message whichever side terrorism it is it’s false through our action
it’s false through our action
it’s false through our action we need to create the reality that
we need to create the reality that
we need to create the reality that demonstrates that what they’re saying is
demonstrates that what they’re saying is
demonstrates that what they’re saying is not true do you know one of the things
not true do you know one of the things
not true do you know one of the things that is making Isis most furious at the
that is making Isis most furious at the
that is making Isis most furious at the moment over these last few months it’s
moment over these last few months it’s
moment over these last few months it’s not actually the threat of bombing it’s
not actually the threat of bombing it’s
not actually the threat of bombing it’s the mass refugee crisis coming from Iraq
the mass refugee crisis coming from Iraq
the mass refugee crisis coming from Iraq and Syria they are absolutely livid
and Syria they are absolutely livid
and Syria they are absolutely livid about it
about it
about it and are trying to put out their
and are trying to put out their
and are trying to put out their counter-narrative their counter
counter-narrative their counter
counter-narrative their counter propaganda about it in their magazine
propaganda about it in their magazine
propaganda about it in their magazine why well one reason actually there a
why well one reason actually there a
why well one reason actually there a practical reason because a lot of their
practical reason because a lot of their
practical reason because a lot of their revenue and income comes from extortion
revenue and income comes from extortion
revenue and income comes from extortion and taxation on the local people so the
and taxation on the local people so the
and taxation on the local people so the more people leave the more money they
more people leave the more money they
more people leave the more money they lose but another reason remember is that
lose but another reason remember is that
lose but another reason remember is that what they say is this is the Islamic
what they say is this is the Islamic
what they say is this is the Islamic state all Muslims have to make it real
state all Muslims have to make it real
state all Muslims have to make it real they have to migrate and come here
they have to migrate and come here
they have to migrate and come here because I can’t live with non-muslims in
because I can’t live with non-muslims in
because I can’t live with non-muslims in the West and here are hundreds of
the West and here are hundreds of
the West and here are hundreds of thousands of people desperate to get out
thousands of people desperate to get out
thousands of people desperate to get out of their so-called Islamic state and
of their so-called Islamic state and
of their so-called Islamic state and come to the west and live in common with
come to the west and live in common with
come to the west and live in common with non-muslims so refugees are destroying
non-muslims so refugees are destroying
non-muslims so refugees are destroying the ISIS message by their actions
although that depends on us and our
although that depends on us and our response to them wouldn’t it be
response to them wouldn’t it be
response to them wouldn’t it be interesting especially given some of the
interesting especially given some of the
interesting especially given some of the political the comments and a political
political the comments and a political
political the comments and a political climate at the moment wouldn’t it be
climate at the moment wouldn’t it be
climate at the moment wouldn’t it be interesting if one of the most effective
interesting if one of the most effective
interesting if one of the most effective things that we could do to counter Isis
things that we could do to counter Isis
things that we could do to counter Isis and globally would be to welcome as many
and globally would be to welcome as many
and globally would be to welcome as many refugees as possible and welcome them as
refugees as possible and welcome them as
refugees as possible and welcome them as warmly as possible and make them safe
warmly as possible and make them safe
warmly as possible and make them safe and welcomed in our countries until it’s
and welcomed in our countries until it’s
and welcomed in our countries until it’s safe for them to go back and create the
safe for them to go back and create the
safe for them to go back and create the country they desire wouldn’t that be
country they desire wouldn’t that be
country they desire wouldn’t that be ironic second thing that we need to do
ironic second thing that we need to do
ironic second thing that we need to do in our counter-terrorist strategy of the
in our counter-terrorist strategy of the
in our counter-terrorist strategy of the people unlike the government don’t
people unlike the government don’t
people unlike the government don’t mass-market propaganda a mass message
mass-market propaganda a mass message
mass-market propaganda a mass message will not work instead you have to give
will not work instead you have to give
will not work instead you have to give people personal attention
people personal attention
people personal attention and a lot of it now it’s commonly said
and a lot of it now it’s commonly said
and a lot of it now it’s commonly said it’s a cliche isn’t it you can’t change
it’s a cliche isn’t it you can’t change
it’s a cliche isn’t it you can’t change other people you can only change
other people you can only change
other people you can only change yourself that’s not entirely true
yourself that’s not entirely true
yourself that’s not entirely true you can often change other people and
you can often change other people and
you can often change other people and you already know how meet their needs
you already know how meet their needs
you already know how meet their needs tap into their desires and offer them a
tap into their desires and offer them a
tap into their desires and offer them a picture of themselves that is attractive
picture of themselves that is attractive
picture of themselves that is attractive to them because people will change if it
to them because people will change if it
to them because people will change if it meets their needs and desires to do so
meets their needs and desires to do so
meets their needs and desires to do so the recruiters know that people in cults
the recruiters know that people in cults
the recruiters know that people in cults know that you need to know that and
know that you need to know that and
know that you need to know that and finally another way that I’m going
finally another way that I’m going
finally another way that I’m going against the grain and saying the
against the grain and saying the
against the grain and saying the counterterrorism strategy of the people
counterterrorism strategy of the people
counterterrorism strategy of the people has got to be different from the
has got to be different from the
has got to be different from the counterterrorism strategy of the war on
counterterrorism strategy of the war on
counterterrorism strategy of the war on terror and the government’s don’t preach
terror and the government’s don’t preach
terror and the government’s don’t preach about values shared values British
about values shared values British
about values shared values British values American values and you must all
values American values and you must all
values American values and you must all subscribe to them and uphold them I’m
subscribe to them and uphold them I’m
subscribe to them and uphold them I’m all for values that values only
all for values that values only
all for values that values only convinced us if we see you living by
convinced us if we see you living by
convinced us if we see you living by them if you want to know what someone’s
them if you want to know what someone’s
them if you want to know what someone’s values are don’t read their speeches
values are don’t read their speeches
values are don’t read their speeches just follow them around for a few days
just follow them around for a few days
just follow them around for a few days you will see what they really value in
you will see what they really value in
you will see what they really value in fact of our politicians and leaders
fact of our politicians and leaders
fact of our politicians and leaders really lived out a commitment to peace
really lived out a commitment to peace
really lived out a commitment to peace and to justice social justice to
and to justice social justice to
and to justice social justice to economic justice to international
economic justice to international
economic justice to international justice then Isis would only appeal to
justice then Isis would only appeal to
justice then Isis would only appeal to Psychopaths it’s precisely because
Psychopaths it’s precisely because
Psychopaths it’s precisely because people don’t see our leaders living out
people don’t see our leaders living out
people don’t see our leaders living out the values that they have that they join
the values that they have that they join
the values that they have that they join violent groups of one kind or another
violent groups of one kind or another
violent groups of one kind or another and then you find that they can justify
and then you find that they can justify
and then you find that they can justify brutality and excessive violence because
brutality and excessive violence because
brutality and excessive violence because it means to an end to achieve their
it means to an end to achieve their
it means to an end to achieve their values so instead of preaching about
values so instead of preaching about
values so instead of preaching about values we need to talk about vision
values we need to talk about vision
values we need to talk about vision we need to create a vision and a cause
we need to create a vision and a cause
we need to create a vision and a cause that people find compelling and
that people find compelling and
that people find compelling and attractive and that means it needs to be
attractive and that means it needs to be
attractive and that means it needs to be a vision that will include everyone who
a vision that will include everyone who
a vision that will include everyone who is part of our society including those
is part of our society including those
is part of our society including those who are alienated and marginalized it
who are alienated and marginalized it
who are alienated and marginalized it needs to be a vision that young people
needs to be a vision that young people
needs to be a vision that young people can create and we need young people to
can create and we need young people to
can create and we need young people to contribute to a need to be a vision that
contribute to a need to be a vision that
contribute to a need to be a vision that everyone can participate in and
everyone can participate in and
everyone can participate in and contribute to so here’s what you need to
contribute to so here’s what you need to
contribute to so here’s what you need to do personally each one of you to stop
do personally each one of you to stop
do personally each one of you to stop recruiting the terrorist groups for
recruiting the terrorist groups for
recruiting the terrorist groups for violent groups you need to undermine
violent groups you need to undermine
violent groups you need to undermine terrorist or racist propaganda by living
terrorist or racist propaganda by living
terrorist or racist propaganda by living out the reality of the opposite you need
out the reality of the opposite you need
out the reality of the opposite you need to create a climate that is inclusive
to create a climate that is inclusive
to create a climate that is inclusive and positive and welcoming you need to
and positive and welcoming you need to
and positive and welcoming you need to create a shared vision and you need to
create a shared vision and you need to
create a shared vision and you need to build relationships between people on
build relationships between people on
build relationships between people on the ground so you need to think through
the ground so you need to think through
the ground so you need to think through what your vision is with the society you
what your vision is with the society you
what your vision is with the society you want to live in and you need to
want to live in and you need to
want to live in and you need to communicate it to other people you need
communicate it to other people you need
communicate it to other people you need to demonstrate if you believe it’s true
to demonstrate if you believe it’s true
to demonstrate if you believe it’s true that people from different faiths non
that people from different faiths non
that people from different faiths non faiths different backgrounds can live
faiths different backgrounds can live
faiths different backgrounds can live together and a very effective tactic in
together and a very effective tactic in
together and a very effective tactic in this strategy is to give the other
this strategy is to give the other
this strategy is to give the other people positive experiences of you
people positive experiences of you
people positive experiences of you whatever your background is someone from
whatever your background is someone from
whatever your background is someone from a different background ethnic group
a different background ethnic group
a different background ethnic group religion to yours needs to have positive
religion to yours needs to have positive
religion to yours needs to have positive experiences of you again and again this
experiences of you again and again this
experiences of you again and again this has actually been shown to be the most
has actually been shown to be the most
has actually been shown to be the most effective way to deconstruct people’s
effective way to deconstruct people’s
effective way to deconstruct people’s unconscious prejudices because basically
unconscious prejudices because basically
unconscious prejudices because basically the reality that the experience of you
the reality that the experience of you
the reality that the experience of you doing this is going to override the
doing this is going to override the
doing this is going to override the police oh they come to share I want you
police oh they come to share I want you
police oh they come to share I want you to think of one thing you
to think of one thing you
to think of one thing you due to undermine destroy the terrorist
due to undermine destroy the terrorist
due to undermine destroy the terrorist messaging create the society that you
messaging create the society that you
messaging create the society that you want to live in thank you
want to live in thank you
want to live in thank you [Applause]
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