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“The Refugee Story” | Amal Azzudin | TEDxUniversityofGlasgow


as a former refugee I know too well the

as a former refugee I know too well the struggles that this status this label

struggles that this status this label

struggles that this status this label entails I want to talk about the refugee

entails I want to talk about the refugee

entails I want to talk about the refugee crisis and suggest some potential

crisis and suggest some potential

crisis and suggest some potential solutions but before I get to that part

solutions but before I get to that part

solutions but before I get to that part can I share with you my story I came to

can I share with you my story I came to

can I share with you my story I came to the UK seventeen years ago at the age of

the UK seventeen years ago at the age of

the UK seventeen years ago at the age of 10 with my mother who was pregnant with

10 with my mother who was pregnant with

10 with my mother who was pregnant with my wee sister at that time we sought

my wee sister at that time we sought

my wee sister at that time we sought asylum in London and a year later we

asylum in London and a year later we

asylum in London and a year later we were told we were going to be dispersed

were told we were going to be dispersed

were told we were going to be dispersed elsewhere in the UK so I thought that’s

elsewhere in the UK so I thought that’s

elsewhere in the UK so I thought that’s fine you know five minutes from London

fine you know five minutes from London

fine you know five minutes from London ten minutes from London shouldn’t be a

ten minutes from London shouldn’t be a

ten minutes from London shouldn’t be a problem you know but of course that

problem you know but of course that

problem you know but of course that wasn’t the case so one day a huge coach

wasn’t the case so one day a huge coach

wasn’t the case so one day a huge coach came with lots of different families in

came with lots of different families in

came with lots of different families in this coach and I felt like we did a tour

this coach and I felt like we did a tour

this coach and I felt like we did a tour of the UK that day because families were

of the UK that day because families were

of the UK that day because families were being dropped off in different cities

being dropped off in different cities

being dropped off in different cities but we were not getting off and I

but we were not getting off and I

but we were not getting off and I thought where are we going I was 11 at

thought where are we going I was 11 at

thought where are we going I was 11 at that age so mom said look go and speak

that age so mom said look go and speak

that age so mom said look go and speak to the driver maybe they made a mistake

to the driver maybe they made a mistake

to the driver maybe they made a mistake ask where are we getting off so I did

ask where are we getting off so I did

ask where are we getting off so I did that I went to the drive when I said

that I went to the drive when I said

that I went to the drive when I said excuse me sir is my family on your list

excuse me sir is my family on your list

excuse me sir is my family on your list he said yes you’re on the list but

he said yes you’re on the list but

he said yes you’re on the list but you’re last and I said why we lost and

you’re last and I said why we lost and

you’re last and I said why we lost and he said because you’re going to Glasgow

he said because you’re going to Glasgow

he said because you’re going to Glasgow and I was like I’m sorry what

and I was like I’m sorry what

and I was like I’m sorry what and he said you know gods go and I was

and he said you know gods go and I was

and he said you know gods go and I was like yes I heard you West Glasgow and

like yes I heard you West Glasgow and

like yes I heard you West Glasgow and he’s like it’s in Scotland and I was

he’s like it’s in Scotland and I was

he’s like it’s in Scotland and I was like where Scotland you know so I never

like where Scotland you know so I never

like where Scotland you know so I never heard of Scotland let alone Glasgow so I

heard of Scotland let alone Glasgow so I

heard of Scotland let alone Glasgow so I went back down inside next my mom I said

went back down inside next my mom I said

went back down inside next my mom I said mom have you heard of Scotland no have

mom have you heard of Scotland no have

mom have you heard of Scotland no have you heard of Glasgow no great don’t know

you heard of Glasgow no great don’t know

you heard of Glasgow no great don’t know where we’re going fantastic but actually

where we’re going fantastic but actually

where we’re going fantastic but actually looking back now it’s the best decision

looking back now it’s the best decision

looking back now it’s the best decision that has happened to me my family

that has happened to me my family

that has happened to me my family glass was very dear to me for many

glass was very dear to me for many

glass was very dear to me for many reasons and one of them I will share

reasons and one of them I will share

reasons and one of them I will share with you in a moment a few years later

with you in a moment a few years later

with you in a moment a few years later in 2004 we received our leaf to remain

in 2004 we received our leaf to remain

in 2004 we received our leaf to remain which meant that we were recognized as a

which meant that we were recognized as a

which meant that we were recognized as a refugees so an asylum seeker is somebody

refugees so an asylum seeker is somebody

refugees so an asylum seeker is somebody who’s seeking sanctuary and safety right

who’s seeking sanctuary and safety right

who’s seeking sanctuary and safety right they’re fleeing their country because of

they’re fleeing their country because of

they’re fleeing their country because of the fear of war and persecution due to

the fear of war and persecution due to

the fear of war and persecution due to race religion political views so on and

race religion political views so on and

race religion political views so on and so forth so while you’re waiting for

so forth so while you’re waiting for

so forth so while you’re waiting for your asylum claim to be processed by the

your asylum claim to be processed by the

your asylum claim to be processed by the Home Office asylum seekers are not

Home Office asylum seekers are not

Home Office asylum seekers are not allowed to work they cannot go to

allowed to work they cannot go to

allowed to work they cannot go to university and recently I found out

university and recently I found out

university and recently I found out they’re not allowed to get married

they’re not allowed to get married

they’re not allowed to get married either so in 2004 when we received our

either so in 2004 when we received our

either so in 2004 when we received our status um I felt really happy because I

status um I felt really happy because I

status um I felt really happy because I thought it’s great you know I I can go

thought it’s great you know I I can go

thought it’s great you know I I can go to school I mean while I was going to

to school I mean while I was going to

to school I mean while I was going to school already but I can go to uni after

school already but I can go to uni after

school already but I can go to uni after school and so on but I’m gonna be

school and so on but I’m gonna be

school and so on but I’m gonna be thinking my friends who were also still

thinking my friends who were also still

thinking my friends who were also still I sound seekers don’t know if they can

I sound seekers don’t know if they can

I sound seekers don’t know if they can stay here or not so then that’s when we

stay here or not so then that’s when we

stay here or not so then that’s when we were recognized by the government as

were recognized by the government as

were recognized by the government as refugees now there’s this seems to be

refugees now there’s this seems to be

refugees now there’s this seems to be like a confusion going on between who’s

like a confusion going on between who’s

like a confusion going on between who’s honest and psycho who is a refugee and

honest and psycho who is a refugee and

honest and psycho who is a refugee and who’s a migrant I explained one asylum

who’s a migrant I explained one asylum

who’s a migrant I explained one asylum seeker is where a refugee is a migrant

seeker is where a refugee is a migrant

seeker is where a refugee is a migrant is somebody who chooses to leave their

is somebody who chooses to leave their

is somebody who chooses to leave their country of origin for better employment

country of origin for better employment

country of origin for better employment opportunities right so there are very

opportunities right so there are very

opportunities right so there are very different things

different things

different things now there are almost 60 million refugees

now there are almost 60 million refugees

now there are almost 60 million refugees in the world over half and our children

in the world over half and our children

in the world over half and our children and some of those children

and some of those children

and some of those children annika are unaccompanied minors so I

annika are unaccompanied minors so I

annika are unaccompanied minors so I want to ask you guys right now how many

want to ask you guys right now how many

want to ask you guys right now how many refugees

refugees

refugees do you think the UK has taken put your

do you think the UK has taken put your

do you think the UK has taken put your hand off if you think it’s over two

hand off if you think it’s over two

hand off if you think it’s over two percent okay put your hand up if you

percent okay put your hand up if you

percent okay put your hand up if you think it’s less than one percent okay

think it’s less than one percent okay

think it’s less than one percent okay put your hand up if you think it’s

put your hand up if you think it’s

put your hand up if you think it’s around five percent okay

around five percent okay

around five percent okay thank you the UK houses one percent of

thank you the UK houses one percent of

thank you the UK houses one percent of the world’s refugees in fact eighty six

the world’s refugees in fact eighty six

the world’s refugees in fact eighty six percent of the world’s refugees are

percent of the world’s refugees are

percent of the world’s refugees are hosted by developing countries countries

hosted by developing countries countries

hosted by developing countries countries like Turkey are hosting 2.5 million

like Turkey are hosting 2.5 million

like Turkey are hosting 2.5 million refugees other countries include

refugees other countries include

refugees other countries include Pakistan Jordan Lebanon and Egypt now I

Pakistan Jordan Lebanon and Egypt now I

Pakistan Jordan Lebanon and Egypt now I said earlier gaas was very precious to

said earlier gaas was very precious to

said earlier gaas was very precious to him right so when I was 15 years old a

him right so when I was 15 years old a

him right so when I was 15 years old a year after we got our leaf to remain

year after we got our leaf to remain

year after we got our leaf to remain which meant we had that piece of paper

which meant we had that piece of paper

which meant we had that piece of paper to say that we can stay in this country

to say that we can stay in this country

to say that we can stay in this country one of my school friends egg Nessa aroma

one of my school friends egg Nessa aroma

one of my school friends egg Nessa aroma gypsy from Kosovo who’d been living in

gypsy from Kosovo who’d been living in

gypsy from Kosovo who’d been living in Glasgow for five years of that time was

Glasgow for five years of that time was

Glasgow for five years of that time was dawn raided and detained she was 15 on a

dawn raided and detained she was 15 on a

dawn raided and detained she was 15 on a Sunday morning 14 home office officials

Sunday morning 14 home office officials

Sunday morning 14 home office officials wearing bulletproof vests and helmets

wearing bulletproof vests and helmets

wearing bulletproof vests and helmets knocked knocked Agnes’s flat and went in

knocked knocked Agnes’s flat and went in

knocked knocked Agnes’s flat and went in handcuffed her father in front of Agnes

handcuffed her father in front of Agnes

handcuffed her father in front of Agnes and her two younger brothers put them in

and her two younger brothers put them in

and her two younger brothers put them in two vans and drove them to a detention

two vans and drove them to a detention

two vans and drove them to a detention centre in England and locked them up

centre in England and locked them up

centre in England and locked them up like criminals for three weeks now Agnes

like criminals for three weeks now Agnes

like criminals for three weeks now Agnes and her family did nothing wrong nobody

and her family did nothing wrong nobody

and her family did nothing wrong nobody chooses to be an asylum seeker nobody

chooses to be an asylum seeker nobody

chooses to be an asylum seeker nobody chooses to be a refugee so when that

chooses to be a refugee so when that

chooses to be a refugee so when that happened I was absolutely outraged and

happened I was absolutely outraged and

happened I was absolutely outraged and believe it or not I was a very shy girl

believe it or not I was a very shy girl

believe it or not I was a very shy girl at school

at school

at school clearly still shy and and we’re not yeah

clearly still shy and and we’re not yeah

clearly still shy and and we’re not yeah when that happened I went to my school

when that happened I went to my school

when that happened I went to my school teacher who was a bilingual teacher at

teacher who was a bilingual teacher at

teacher who was a bilingual teacher at that time total legend by the way and I

that time total legend by the way and I

that time total legend by the way and I said to him I was like mr. Garvin I

said to him I was like mr. Garvin I

said to him I was like mr. Garvin I don’t understand why egg nests and her

don’t understand why egg nests and her

don’t understand why egg nests and her family have been treated like this

family have been treated like this

family have been treated like this they’ve done nothing wrong they didn’t

they’ve done nothing wrong they didn’t

they’ve done nothing wrong they didn’t want to leave their home they left

want to leave their home they left

want to leave their home they left because they’re desperate to survive and

because they’re desperate to survive and

because they’re desperate to survive and especially for Agnes or her younger

especially for Agnes or her younger

especially for Agnes or her younger brothers

brothers

brothers so before I knew it five other girls

so before I knew it five other girls

so before I knew it five other girls join me and we

join me and we

join me and we Kame known in the media as the glasgow

Kame known in the media as the glasgow

Kame known in the media as the glasgow girls we campaigned and we started a

girls we campaigned and we started a

girls we campaigned and we started a petition in school almost everybody

petition in school almost everybody

petition in school almost everybody signed it we then presented it to our

signed it we then presented it to our

signed it we then presented it to our local politician who then invited us to

local politician who then invited us to

local politician who then invited us to the Scottish Parliament and during the

the Scottish Parliament and during the

the Scottish Parliament and during the time we were campaigning

time we were campaigning

time we were campaigning ignacio’s lawyer gathered up the

ignacio’s lawyer gathered up the

ignacio’s lawyer gathered up the evidence from the United Nations and

evidence from the United Nations and

evidence from the United Nations and submitted that to the Home Office to say

submitted that to the Home Office to say

submitted that to the Home Office to say actually if you deport this family they

actually if you deport this family they

actually if you deport this family they were going to be persecuted so then that

were going to be persecuted so then that

were going to be persecuted so then that decision was overturned

decision was overturned

decision was overturned Agnes’s living in Glasgow she’s got her

Agnes’s living in Glasgow she’s got her

Agnes’s living in Glasgow she’s got her leave to remain and she’s really happy

leave to remain and she’s really happy

leave to remain and she’s really happy so we’re successful in her case but we

so we’re successful in her case but we

so we’re successful in her case but we lost as well we lost so many families so

lost as well we lost so many families so

lost as well we lost so many families so many families unfortunately were

many families unfortunately were

many families unfortunately were deported to unsafe countries and I

deported to unsafe countries and I

deported to unsafe countries and I should say that the UK is the only

should say that the UK is the only

should say that the UK is the only country in Europe that has indefinite

country in Europe that has indefinite

country in Europe that has indefinite detention so if a criminal commits a

detention so if a criminal commits a

detention so if a criminal commits a crime they know how long their sentences

crime they know how long their sentences

crime they know how long their sentences if an asylum seeker seeking protection

if an asylum seeker seeking protection

if an asylum seeker seeking protection running for more persecution comes the

running for more persecution comes the

running for more persecution comes the UK and their case is rejected they could

UK and their case is rejected they could

UK and their case is rejected they could be detained indefinitely and the other

be detained indefinitely and the other

be detained indefinitely and the other issue is destitution so – you’re a

issue is destitution so – you’re a

issue is destitution so – you’re a scientist basically are people who’s a

scientist basically are people who’s a

scientist basically are people who’s a sound claim has been rejected but the

sound claim has been rejected but the

sound claim has been rejected but the government recognizes the daily cannot

government recognizes the daily cannot

government recognizes the daily cannot be deported because their country of

be deported because their country of

be deported because their country of origin is not safe enough but the same

origin is not safe enough but the same

origin is not safe enough but the same time they won’t give them lift to remain

time they won’t give them lift to remain

time they won’t give them lift to remain so they’re made destitute so they’re out

so they’re made destitute so they’re out

so they’re made destitute so they’re out in the street without any without home

in the street without any without home

in the street without any without home and without any resources basically no

and without any resources basically no

and without any resources basically no benefits and so on so fast forward a

benefits and so on so fast forward a

benefits and so on so fast forward a couple of years and I continued

couple of years and I continued

couple of years and I continued campaigning and before the picture of

campaigning and before the picture of

campaigning and before the picture of the little boy Island QWERTY was

the little boy Island QWERTY was

the little boy Island QWERTY was published me and Pina Axew and Margaret

published me and Pina Axew and Margaret

published me and Pina Axew and Margaret woods from Gaza campaigned to welcome

woods from Gaza campaigned to welcome

woods from Gaza campaigned to welcome refugees decided that we would go to

refugees decided that we would go to

refugees decided that we would go to Greece to help refugees arriving by boat

Greece to help refugees arriving by boat

Greece to help refugees arriving by boat because we knew that the situation was

because we knew that the situation was

because we knew that the situation was getting worse I mean the refugee crisis

getting worse I mean the refugee crisis

getting worse I mean the refugee crisis has been going on for a long long time

has been going on for a long long time

has been going on for a long long time not just since the picture was published

not just since the picture was published

not just since the picture was published so we decided was raised a little bit of

so we decided was raised a little bit of

so we decided was raised a little bit of money and helped people out there and we

money and helped people out there and we

money and helped people out there and we thought maybe maximum would raise about

thought maybe maximum would raise about

thought maybe maximum would raise about what five hundred pounds but when the

what five hundred pounds but when the

what five hundred pounds but when the picture was published who raised almost

picture was published who raised almost

picture was published who raised almost ten thousand pounds it was overwhelming

ten thousand pounds it was overwhelming

ten thousand pounds it was overwhelming I mean we had one mother Emma

I mean we had one mother Emma

I mean we had one mother Emma saying her two daughters one was nine

saying her two daughters one was nine

saying her two daughters one was nine and one was seven had sold their toys to

and one was seven had sold their toys to

and one was seven had sold their toys to raise money for refugees

raise money for refugees

raise money for refugees about what that’s what Glasgow

about what that’s what Glasgow

about what that’s what Glasgow represents for me it’s humanity it’s

represents for me it’s humanity it’s

represents for me it’s humanity it’s justice as fairness it’s seeing people

justice as fairness it’s seeing people

justice as fairness it’s seeing people as people rather than labels so went to

as people rather than labels so went to

as people rather than labels so went to Greece we went to Athens first and we

Greece we went to Athens first and we

Greece we went to Athens first and we went to a place called Victoria Square

went to a place called Victoria Square

went to a place called Victoria Square and it was basically a square in the

and it was basically a square in the

and it was basically a square in the middle of the city and lots of families

middle of the city and lots of families

middle of the city and lots of families were sleeping on the floor with so lots

were sleeping on the floor with so lots

were sleeping on the floor with so lots of children and one thing I will always

of children and one thing I will always

of children and one thing I will always remember is a little girl who basically

remember is a little girl who basically

remember is a little girl who basically took us suite from a lovely Greek woman

took us suite from a lovely Greek woman

took us suite from a lovely Greek woman who’s distributing it to the two

who’s distributing it to the two

who’s distributing it to the two families and she came to me and Peter

families and she came to me and Peter

families and she came to me and Peter and she asked us would you like to share

and she asked us would you like to share

and she asked us would you like to share my sweets with me she must have been

my sweets with me she must have been

my sweets with me she must have been only five now that girl had nothing she

only five now that girl had nothing she

only five now that girl had nothing she didn’t know what was going to happen to

didn’t know what was going to happen to

didn’t know what was going to happen to her tomorrow she was sleeping on the

her tomorrow she was sleeping on the

her tomorrow she was sleeping on the floor with her family but she had

floor with her family but she had

floor with her family but she had humanity to share the little thing that

humanity to share the little thing that

humanity to share the little thing that she had left we looked at each other and

she had left we looked at each other and

she had left we looked at each other and just burst into tears and that we will

just burst into tears and that we will

just burst into tears and that we will never forget we heard from the

never forget we heard from the

never forget we heard from the volunteers that for the families to use

volunteers that for the families to use

volunteers that for the families to use the toilet they had to pay two euros

the toilet they had to pay two euros

the toilet they had to pay two euros each we then went to lesbos which is the

each we then went to lesbos which is the

each we then went to lesbos which is the island where a lot of the refugees

island where a lot of the refugees

island where a lot of the refugees arriving from Greece

arriving from Greece

arriving from Greece it’s a lovely man called Erik Hansen and

it’s a lovely man called Erik Hansen and

it’s a lovely man called Erik Hansen and he was telling us about you know the

he was telling us about you know the

he was telling us about you know the fact how many people are arriving every

fact how many people are arriving every

fact how many people are arriving every single day and all we could see were

single day and all we could see were

single day and all we could see were lifejackets you know but for me all I

lifejackets you know but for me all I

lifejackets you know but for me all I could see were lives and it was

could see were lives and it was

could see were lives and it was heartbreaking it’s absolutely

heartbreaking it’s absolutely

heartbreaking it’s absolutely heartbreaking and he asked us if we

heartbreaking and he asked us if we

heartbreaking and he asked us if we wanted to help refugees of the boats the

wanted to help refugees of the boats the

wanted to help refugees of the boats the following day so we did we went along

following day so we did we went along

following day so we did we went along and we saw families arriving by the

and we saw families arriving by the

and we saw families arriving by the boats and this mother from Afghanistan

boats and this mother from Afghanistan

boats and this mother from Afghanistan gave me her child to check if her little

gave me her child to check if her little

gave me her child to check if her little baby was still alive because they were

baby was still alive because they were

baby was still alive because they were soaking wet and volunteer who was doctor

soaking wet and volunteer who was doctor

soaking wet and volunteer who was doctor came running to help because they were

came running to help because they were

came running to help because they were not NGOs when we were there and he

not NGOs when we were there and he

not NGOs when we were there and he looked at I mean he saw how distressed

looked at I mean he saw how distressed

looked at I mean he saw how distressed we all were and he said to me look I’m

we all were and he said to me look I’m

we all were and he said to me look I’m al all we can do is smile and say

al all we can do is smile and say

al all we can do is smile and say welcome because we know how we have no

welcome because we know how we have no

welcome because we know how we have no power in this

power in this

power in this you know I will always remember that and

you know I will always remember that and

you know I will always remember that and then we came back and tried to raise as

then we came back and tried to raise as

then we came back and tried to raise as much awareness as possible and then last

much awareness as possible and then last

much awareness as possible and then last year I also went to Calais in France we

year I also went to Calais in France we

year I also went to Calais in France we went to the jungle before it was

went to the jungle before it was

went to the jungle before it was demolished and again we saw lots of an

demolished and again we saw lots of an

demolished and again we saw lots of an unaccompanied minors and I always think

unaccompanied minors and I always think

unaccompanied minors and I always think back and think what I wonder what’s

back and think what I wonder what’s

back and think what I wonder what’s happened to them

happened to them

happened to them I wonder what’s happened to a little Nam

I wonder what’s happened to a little Nam

I wonder what’s happened to a little Nam in her family you know what was their

in her family you know what was their

in her family you know what was their future it is a horrible situation I mean

future it is a horrible situation I mean

future it is a horrible situation I mean we’re experiencing the worst refugee

we’re experiencing the worst refugee

we’re experiencing the worst refugee crisis since the Second World War

crisis since the Second World War

crisis since the Second World War father said earlier I would like to

father said earlier I would like to

father said earlier I would like to suggest some potential solutions I hope

suggest some potential solutions I hope

suggest some potential solutions I hope that we can have a fair and humane

that we can have a fair and humane

that we can have a fair and humane Asylum system and to end detention and

Asylum system and to end detention and

Asylum system and to end detention and destitution the United Nations refugee

destitution the United Nations refugee

destitution the United Nations refugee agency has alternatives to detention for

agency has alternatives to detention for

agency has alternatives to detention for example keeping families in the

example keeping families in the

example keeping families in the community instead of locking them up

community instead of locking them up

community instead of locking them up like criminals allowing safe routes to

like criminals allowing safe routes to

like criminals allowing safe routes to sanctuary and safety allowing people to

sanctuary and safety allowing people to

sanctuary and safety allowing people to reunite allowing those young

reunite allowing those young

reunite allowing those young unaccompanied minors children unite with

unaccompanied minors children unite with

unaccompanied minors children unite with their families and world leaders also

their families and world leaders also

their families and world leaders also need to put saving lives first nobody

need to put saving lives first nobody

need to put saving lives first nobody should drown crossing a border yet

should drown crossing a border yet

should drown crossing a border yet almost 7,000 people have drowned

almost 7,000 people have drowned

almost 7,000 people have drowned governments needs to stop blaming

governments needs to stop blaming

governments needs to stop blaming refugees and migrants for economic and

refugees and migrants for economic and

refugees and migrants for economic and social problems and they need to stop

social problems and they need to stop

social problems and they need to stop and racism and discrimination and

and racism and discrimination and

and racism and discrimination and legitimizing it I mean I can’t believe

legitimizing it I mean I can’t believe

legitimizing it I mean I can’t believe in 2017 there’s a refugee ban by Donald

in 2017 there’s a refugee ban by Donald

in 2017 there’s a refugee ban by Donald Trump it’s absolutely shocking where is

Trump it’s absolutely shocking where is

Trump it’s absolutely shocking where is humanity I’m a hopeful person and I have

humanity I’m a hopeful person and I have

humanity I’m a hopeful person and I have a very heavy didn’t already gets it I

a very heavy didn’t already gets it I

a very heavy didn’t already gets it I have a strong belief in humanity and I

have a strong belief in humanity and I

have a strong belief in humanity and I know that this hope out there and we can

know that this hope out there and we can

know that this hope out there and we can make a difference so I want to end with

make a difference so I want to end with

make a difference so I want to end with a message of hope instead of building

a message of hope instead of building

a message of hope instead of building walls

walls

walls let’s build homes instead of spending

let’s build homes instead of spending

let’s build homes instead of spending billions on weapons

billions on weapons

billions on weapons and war they spend it on the homeless

and war they spend it on the homeless

and war they spend it on the homeless and the needy instead of spreading hate

and the needy instead of spreading hate

and the needy instead of spreading hate let’s spread love because love knows no

let’s spread love because love knows no

let’s spread love because love knows no borders thank you very much

borders thank you very much

borders thank you very much [Applause]

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