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“Engineering Diversity” | Ellen Simmons | TEDxUniversityofGlasgow


so last year around about this time some

so last year around about this time some members of femen’s decided to plant some

members of femen’s decided to plant some

members of femen’s decided to plant some small little facts around about the

small little facts around about the

small little facts around about the engineering buildings on campus one of

engineering buildings on campus one of

engineering buildings on campus one of these particular facts noted that only

these particular facts noted that only

these particular facts noted that only 9% of the UK workforce in engineering

9% of the UK workforce in engineering

9% of the UK workforce in engineering were females and I came across this

were females and I came across this

were females and I came across this again quite recently there’s still not

again quite recently there’s still not

again quite recently there’s still not been taken down but I found a small

been taken down but I found a small

been taken down but I found a small piece of vandalism and this person had

piece of vandalism and this person had

piece of vandalism and this person had written this and I don’t feel that it’s

written this and I don’t feel that it’s

written this and I don’t feel that it’s something meaningless because it

something meaningless because it

something meaningless because it actually portrays a frustration that I

actually portrays a frustration that I

actually portrays a frustration that I have felt by a number of my peers in

have felt by a number of my peers in

have felt by a number of my peers in engineering because they see these facts

engineering because they see these facts

engineering because they see these facts and they understand that people are

and they understand that people are

and they understand that people are bothered but they don’t feel it

bothered but they don’t feel it

bothered but they don’t feel it themselves they don’t experience sexism

themselves they don’t experience sexism

themselves they don’t experience sexism in their everyday lives as engineering

in their everyday lives as engineering

in their everyday lives as engineering students and especially the girls they

students and especially the girls they

students and especially the girls they don’t feel as if they’re being

don’t feel as if they’re being

don’t feel as if they’re being disempowered by any sort of system or by

disempowered by any sort of system or by

disempowered by any sort of system or by their male student friends so this is a

their male student friends so this is a

their male student friends so this is a problem because there is obviously an

problem because there is obviously an

problem because there is obviously an issue but people don’t see it for

issue but people don’t see it for

issue but people don’t see it for themselves and they don’t really

themselves and they don’t really

themselves and they don’t really understand why it’s an issue for the

understand why it’s an issue for the

understand why it’s an issue for the world so today I really don’t want to

world so today I really don’t want to

world so today I really don’t want to dismantle this particular discussion

dismantle this particular discussion

dismantle this particular discussion because it’s quite complicated it’s

because it’s quite complicated it’s

because it’s quite complicated it’s quite sensitive but what I would really

quite sensitive but what I would really

quite sensitive but what I would really like to discuss is ways that we can work

like to discuss is ways that we can work

like to discuss is ways that we can work towards making a more diverse workforce

towards making a more diverse workforce

towards making a more diverse workforce and why I believe that’s really

and why I believe that’s really

and why I believe that’s really important especially in engineering a

important especially in engineering a

important especially in engineering a lot of companies right now are working

lot of companies right now are working

lot of companies right now are working on initiatives that enable them to have

on initiatives that enable them to have

on initiatives that enable them to have more women coming into their workforces

more women coming into their workforces

more women coming into their workforces some of you may know the term positive

some of you may know the term positive

some of you may know the term positive discrimination a positive action and in

discrimination a positive action and in

discrimination a positive action and in some cases this is heralded as a great

some cases this is heralded as a great

some cases this is heralded as a great way to get women into companies but this

way to get women into companies but this

way to get women into companies but this isn’t always the best way to do this and

isn’t always the best way to do this and

isn’t always the best way to do this and I’ll illustrate this with a little story

I’ll illustrate this with a little story

I’ll illustrate this with a little story about myself so this year well last year

about myself so this year well last year

about myself so this year well last year I won my first ever trophy and this is a

I won my first ever trophy and this is a

I won my first ever trophy and this is a really big deal as a big shiny trophy

really big deal as a big shiny trophy

really big deal as a big shiny trophy and I had got that because I had applied

and I had got that because I had applied

and I had got that because I had applied myself I had told them about the things

myself I had told them about the things

myself I had told them about the things I had done and that I was passionate

I had done and that I was passionate

I had done and that I was passionate about and I felt so proud of myself when

about and I felt so proud of myself when

about and I felt so proud of myself when I got that award and it was a big

I got that award and it was a big

I got that award and it was a big ceremony and I remember standing up in

ceremony and I remember standing up in

ceremony and I remember standing up in front of all those people and they were

front of all those people and they were

front of all those people and they were all clapping and then just before we

all clapping and then just before we

all clapping and then just before we left the person who was speaking on the

left the person who was speaking on the

left the person who was speaking on the microphone said as you can see all the

microphone said as you can see all the

microphone said as you can see all the award winners today were women so no one

award winners today were women so no one

award winners today were women so no one can say we’re not doing our bit and so

can say we’re not doing our bit and so

can say we’re not doing our bit and so that really changed the nature of what

that really changed the nature of what

that really changed the nature of what that award meant for me because it went

that award meant for me because it went

that award meant for me because it went from being something I had earned

from being something I had earned

from being something I had earned because I deserved it to being something

because I deserved it to being something

because I deserved it to being something that these this organization had decided

that these this organization had decided

that these this organization had decided to give me as a sort of pat on the back

to give me as a sort of pat on the back

to give me as a sort of pat on the back there you go isn’t that nice of us to

there you go isn’t that nice of us to

there you go isn’t that nice of us to give you that and so this isn’t a very

give you that and so this isn’t a very

give you that and so this isn’t a very helpful thing I find that so upsetting

helpful thing I find that so upsetting

helpful thing I find that so upsetting so how can we look at different ways to

so how can we look at different ways to

so how can we look at different ways to try and address the issues that women

try and address the issues that women

try and address the issues that women are saying hold them back but do it in a

are saying hold them back but do it in a

are saying hold them back but do it in a way that’s not going to cause them to be

way that’s not going to cause them to be

way that’s not going to cause them to be devalued in their workplaces so if we

devalued in their workplaces so if we

devalued in their workplaces so if we think about what engineers do their

think about what engineers do their

think about what engineers do their designers their creators they make

designers their creators they make

designers their creators they make everything from the tray that you’re

everything from the tray that you’re

everything from the tray that you’re sitting on the phone that you’re

sitting on the phone that you’re

sitting on the phone that you’re pretending you’re not looking at and

pretending you’re not looking at and

pretending you’re not looking at and maybe the instilling pen that you had to

maybe the instilling pen that you had to

maybe the instilling pen that you had to use at lunchtime okay so who does that

use at lunchtime okay so who does that

use at lunchtime okay so who does that cover you can’t limit that to one

cover you can’t limit that to one

cover you can’t limit that to one particular demographic we have such a

particular demographic we have such a

particular demographic we have such a diverse world population you know it’s

diverse world population you know it’s

diverse world population you know it’s Half Men half women 10% lgbtq+ and why

Half Men half women 10% lgbtq+ and why

Half Men half women 10% lgbtq+ and why is that not represented in the people

is that not represented in the people

is that not represented in the people that are making all these objects that

that are making all these objects that

that are making all these objects that we use every day so not even just this

we use every day so not even just this

we use every day so not even just this aspect of it is important because

aspect of it is important because

aspect of it is important because there’s statistics to back this up this

there’s statistics to back this up this

there’s statistics to back this up this economic data for instance if you look

economic data for instance if you look

economic data for instance if you look through the Harvard Business Review

through the Harvard Business Review

through the Harvard Business Review there’s so many studies done into the

there’s so many studies done into the

there’s so many studies done into the effects of gender and racial diversity

effects of gender and racial diversity

effects of gender and racial diversity in the workplace and one particular

in the workplace and one particular

in the workplace and one particular study that

study that

study that stood out for me was from Credit Suisse

stood out for me was from Credit Suisse

stood out for me was from Credit Suisse and they found that when they assessed

and they found that when they assessed

and they found that when they assessed over 2000 companies the ones that had

over 2000 companies the ones that had

over 2000 companies the ones that had one woman on the board as opposed to

one woman on the board as opposed to

one woman on the board as opposed to none and more women always had higher

none and more women always had higher

none and more women always had higher financial returns they had higher net

financial returns they had higher net

financial returns they had higher net growth and if you think about it

growth and if you think about it

growth and if you think about it non-homogeneous teams should be smarter

non-homogeneous teams should be smarter

non-homogeneous teams should be smarter and there’s so much interesting facts

and there’s so much interesting facts

and there’s so much interesting facts about this that I really encourage you

about this that I really encourage you

about this that I really encourage you to go and look at and so reading them it

to go and look at and so reading them it

to go and look at and so reading them it really did make sense for me that this

really did make sense for me that this

really did make sense for me that this is a good thing that diversity is

is a good thing that diversity is

is a good thing that diversity is important so how can we apply that what

important so how can we apply that what

important so how can we apply that what can we do to create more diverse

can we do to create more diverse

can we do to create more diverse workplaces so I’ll tell you about myself

workplaces so I’ll tell you about myself

workplaces so I’ll tell you about myself and how I got into engineering

and how I got into engineering

and how I got into engineering so from quite a young age I was quite

so from quite a young age I was quite

so from quite a young age I was quite interested in biology I was like very

interested in biology I was like very

interested in biology I was like very into medicine and I thought that’s the

into medicine and I thought that’s the

into medicine and I thought that’s the route I’m gonna take and you know I

route I’m gonna take and you know I

route I’m gonna take and you know I thought I was smart enough I could get

thought I was smart enough I could get

thought I was smart enough I could get in no problem but then at age 13 I was

in no problem but then at age 13 I was

in no problem but then at age 13 I was fit with a devastating blow where I

fit with a devastating blow where I

fit with a devastating blow where I couldn’t take biology from my standard

couldn’t take biology from my standard

couldn’t take biology from my standard grades and the only option I could take

grades and the only option I could take

grades and the only option I could take was physics and I was very upset about

was physics and I was very upset about

was physics and I was very upset about this and made very big fuss but as you

this and made very big fuss but as you

this and made very big fuss but as you can imagine a 13 year old making a big

can imagine a 13 year old making a big

can imagine a 13 year old making a big fuss about having to take biology

fuss about having to take biology

fuss about having to take biology standard grade isn’t going to make much

standard grade isn’t going to make much

standard grade isn’t going to make much of a change to the school so I ended up

of a change to the school so I ended up

of a change to the school so I ended up having to take physics however this

having to take physics however this

having to take physics however this turned out to be a very impactful

turned out to be a very impactful

turned out to be a very impactful turning point in my life because it

turning point in my life because it

turning point in my life because it turned out that actually I was quite

turned out that actually I was quite

turned out that actually I was quite good at physics and I quite liked

good at physics and I quite liked

good at physics and I quite liked physics I had an extremely encouraging

physics I had an extremely encouraging

physics I had an extremely encouraging teacher who made sure that everyone in

teacher who made sure that everyone in

teacher who made sure that everyone in that class felt very valued and

that class felt very valued and

that class felt very valued and encouraged all of them even the ones

encouraged all of them even the ones

encouraged all of them even the ones that clearly were struggling and

that clearly were struggling and

that clearly were struggling and probably wouldn’t progress with it so

probably wouldn’t progress with it so

probably wouldn’t progress with it so then I suddenly had to incorporate

then I suddenly had to incorporate

then I suddenly had to incorporate physics into my idea of what I was

physics into my idea of what I was

physics into my idea of what I was interested in and then you come to your

interested in and then you come to your

interested in and then you come to your fifth year which in Scotland is the most

fifth year which in Scotland is the most

fifth year which in Scotland is the most important year for getting into

important year for getting into

important year for getting into University and I ended up being one of

University and I ended up being one of

University and I ended up being one of the best in the class for our math and

the best in the class for our math and

the best in the class for our math and that really surprised me I never thought

that really surprised me I never thought

that really surprised me I never thought I fit into the very very top category of

I fit into the very very top category of

I fit into the very very top category of maths so then I was having a lot of

maths so then I was having a lot of

maths so then I was having a lot of turmoil because I really really loved

turmoil because I really really loved

turmoil because I really really loved physics and math suddenly and I realized

physics and math suddenly and I realized

physics and math suddenly and I realized that I didn’t really want to leave them

that I didn’t really want to leave them

that I didn’t really want to leave them behind

behind

behind but how could I still pursue my

but how could I still pursue my

but how could I still pursue my interests in medicine and human biology

interests in medicine and human biology

interests in medicine and human biology with that in mind so spent a long time

with that in mind so spent a long time

with that in mind so spent a long time thinking about it trying to talk to

thinking about it trying to talk to

thinking about it trying to talk to people and it wasn’t until one day my

people and it wasn’t until one day my

people and it wasn’t until one day my dad got an email from his university

dad got an email from his university

dad got an email from his university about this mysterious new subject called

about this mysterious new subject called

about this mysterious new subject called biomedical engineering and the minute I

biomedical engineering and the minute I

biomedical engineering and the minute I heard it I just thought that’s it that’s

heard it I just thought that’s it that’s

heard it I just thought that’s it that’s exactly what I need to do I didn’t

exactly what I need to do I didn’t

exactly what I need to do I didn’t really know what it was but I just knew

really know what it was but I just knew

really know what it was but I just knew that fit what I was interested in and

that fit what I was interested in and

that fit what I was interested in and sure enough it did and I’m so thankful

sure enough it did and I’m so thankful

sure enough it did and I’m so thankful that that email came at that time and

that that email came at that time and

that that email came at that time and that I was forced to take that physics

that I was forced to take that physics

that I was forced to take that physics class but isn’t it just so sad that

class but isn’t it just so sad that

class but isn’t it just so sad that that’s what my future was depending on

that’s what my future was depending on

that’s what my future was depending on my future was depending on an awkward

my future was depending on an awkward

my future was depending on an awkward timetable and a difficult guidance

timetable and a difficult guidance

timetable and a difficult guidance teacher and eventually dependent on a

teacher and eventually dependent on a

teacher and eventually dependent on a random email my dad’s very very full

random email my dad’s very very full

random email my dad’s very very full inbox so really there’s an issue here

inbox so really there’s an issue here

inbox so really there’s an issue here because my entire life after that point

because my entire life after that point

because my entire life after that point would have been very very different had

would have been very very different had

would have been very very different had those things not fallen into place and

those things not fallen into place and

those things not fallen into place and I’m not an exception here because this

I’m not an exception here because this

I’m not an exception here because this is very true for so many of my friends

is very true for so many of my friends

is very true for so many of my friends who are girls and engineering they came

who are girls and engineering they came

who are girls and engineering they came into it because either their dad was an

into it because either their dad was an

into it because either their dad was an engineer or because they stumbled upon

engineer or because they stumbled upon

engineer or because they stumbled upon it when they were looking for the other

it when they were looking for the other

it when they were looking for the other subject that they thought they were

subject that they thought they were

subject that they thought they were supposed to do and it’s not necessarily

supposed to do and it’s not necessarily

supposed to do and it’s not necessarily that if I had done medicine I would

that if I had done medicine I would

that if I had done medicine I would never have achieved something good but

never have achieved something good but

never have achieved something good but maybe it wasn’t the best thing for me

maybe it wasn’t the best thing for me

maybe it wasn’t the best thing for me and I didn’t know what else I could have

and I didn’t know what else I could have

and I didn’t know what else I could have found so this is something that is

found so this is something that is

found so this is something that is really important and we need to make

really important and we need to make

really important and we need to make sure that this isn’t going to happen to

sure that this isn’t going to happen to

sure that this isn’t going to happen to any other girls in the future or boys so

any other girls in the future or boys so

any other girls in the future or boys so the FEMEN Society was started in 2013 a

the FEMEN Society was started in 2013 a

the FEMEN Society was started in 2013 a bunch of naive first-years all gathered

bunch of naive first-years all gathered

bunch of naive first-years all gathered together and we just thought we want to

together and we just thought we want to

together and we just thought we want to do something girly for the girls

do something girly for the girls

do something girly for the girls we’ll have bake sales and I don’t know

we’ll have bake sales and I don’t know

we’ll have bake sales and I don’t know make a calendar or something and just

make a calendar or something and just

make a calendar or something and just bring all the all the sort of lone women

bring all the all the sort of lone women

bring all the all the sort of lone women in the different engineering courses

in the different engineering courses

in the different engineering courses together and we thought that’s what they

together and we thought that’s what they

together and we thought that’s what they need it we thought that will help them

need it we thought that will help them

need it we thought that will help them that will make them feel happy and will

that will make them feel happy and will

that will make them feel happy and will encourage more people to come to

encourage more people to come to

encourage more people to come to engineering because they see that they

engineering because they see that they

engineering because they see that they can still have a great social life with

can still have a great social life with

can still have a great social life with women in engine

women in engine

women in engine but actually we ended up getting a bit

but actually we ended up getting a bit

but actually we ended up getting a bit more interest from school teachers than

more interest from school teachers than

more interest from school teachers than we did from other female students and it

we did from other female students and it

we did from other female students and it turned out that the teachers also

turned out that the teachers also

turned out that the teachers also recognized that there was a gap in their

recognized that there was a gap in their

recognized that there was a gap in their education in terms of the careers

education in terms of the careers

education in terms of the careers guidance they really wanted to have

guidance they really wanted to have

guidance they really wanted to have women in engineering coming to their

women in engineering coming to their

women in engineering coming to their school because they felt that we could

school because they felt that we could

school because they felt that we could offer something very valuable as being

offer something very valuable as being

offer something very valuable as being role models so this became quite a

role models so this became quite a

role models so this became quite a common theme we would go to school

common theme we would go to school

common theme we would go to school events we would round up different

events we would round up different

events we would round up different disciplines and we would go and

disciplines and we would go and

disciplines and we would go and demonstrate something or just talk to

demonstrate something or just talk to

demonstrate something or just talk to school children but then as ferment

school children but then as ferment

school children but then as ferment evolved we realized that actually it

evolved we realized that actually it

evolved we realized that actually it wasn’t just school children that needed

wasn’t just school children that needed

wasn’t just school children that needed role models that actually university

role models that actually university

role models that actually university students really wanted role models as

students really wanted role models as

students really wanted role models as well and it doesn’t stop the minute that

well and it doesn’t stop the minute that

well and it doesn’t stop the minute that you come to university so we started

you come to university so we started

you come to university so we started holding events where we got alumni in

holding events where we got alumni in

holding events where we got alumni in and we would have recent graduates come

and we would have recent graduates come

and we would have recent graduates come and they would just talk about their

and they would just talk about their

and they would just talk about their experience at Glasgow uni and then how

experience at Glasgow uni and then how

experience at Glasgow uni and then how they got into the career that they are

they got into the career that they are

they got into the career that they are in and maybe the issues they had along

in and maybe the issues they had along

in and maybe the issues they had along the way or the fact that they had no

the way or the fact that they had no

the way or the fact that they had no issues which was very common and that

issues which was very common and that

issues which was very common and that was great to hear other women say

was great to hear other women say

was great to hear other women say actually I had no problem I didn’t

actually I had no problem I didn’t

actually I had no problem I didn’t experience any discrimination and that

experience any discrimination and that

experience any discrimination and that means that maybe for you this won’t be

means that maybe for you this won’t be

means that maybe for you this won’t be an issue either and that in itself was

an issue either and that in itself was

an issue either and that in itself was quite empowering and then again this

quite empowering and then again this

quite empowering and then again this year we recently launched a mentoring

year we recently launched a mentoring

year we recently launched a mentoring scheme because we realized that there’s

scheme because we realized that there’s

scheme because we realized that there’s such a plethora of information held in

such a plethora of information held in

such a plethora of information held in the people who are in the higher levels

the people who are in the higher levels

the people who are in the higher levels of these degrees so we linked out 4th

of these degrees so we linked out 4th

of these degrees so we linked out 4th and 5th years with first and second

and 5th years with first and second

and 5th years with first and second years and their discipline and this is

years and their discipline and this is

years and their discipline and this is something that we’ve got the guys in our

something that we’ve got the guys in our

something that we’ve got the guys in our course to engage with as well so it’s

course to engage with as well so it’s

course to engage with as well so it’s not just women are like talking to women

not just women are like talking to women

not just women are like talking to women it’s boys talking to women and all these

it’s boys talking to women and all these

it’s boys talking to women and all these different mixtures of personalities and

different mixtures of personalities and

different mixtures of personalities and people but the whole point is we’re

people but the whole point is we’re

people but the whole point is we’re saying there needs to be more

saying there needs to be more

saying there needs to be more information exchange from the upper

information exchange from the upper

information exchange from the upper levels at every stage of your career so

levels at every stage of your career so

levels at every stage of your career so another issue that you may have heard

another issue that you may have heard

another issue that you may have heard about about why women feel that they

about about why women feel that they

about about why women feel that they can’t really progress in engineering

can’t really progress in engineering

can’t really progress in engineering industry is because they’re not given

industry is because they’re not given

industry is because they’re not given challenging enough jobs they’re not

challenging enough jobs they’re not

challenging enough jobs they’re not given the opportunity to really

given the opportunity to really

given the opportunity to really demonstrate their skill

demonstrate their skill

demonstrate their skill and sure what they can do so my salt a

and sure what they can do so my salt a

and sure what they can do so my salt a couple of years ago how could we make a

couple of years ago how could we make a

couple of years ago how could we make a really big high-profile project that

really big high-profile project that

really big high-profile project that just showed off what women in

just showed off what women in

just showed off what women in engineering could do on their own

engineering could do on their own

engineering could do on their own hence famines in Rwanda okay so

hence famines in Rwanda okay so

hence famines in Rwanda okay so basically what this was the idea is that

basically what this was the idea is that

basically what this was the idea is that we were going to collaborate with the

we were going to collaborate with the

we were going to collaborate with the University of Rwanda and we were going

University of Rwanda and we were going

University of Rwanda and we were going to try and help them to see where they

to try and help them to see where they

to try and help them to see where they could use some of what fermenters done

could use some of what fermenters done

could use some of what fermenters done in the University of Glasgow and could

in the University of Glasgow and could

in the University of Glasgow and could that be helpful for them and hopefully

that be helpful for them and hopefully

that be helpful for them and hopefully learn something interesting along the

learn something interesting along the

learn something interesting along the way as well

way as well

way as well what this turned into was three weeks

what this turned into was three weeks

what this turned into was three weeks spent in the capital city of Rwanda we

spent in the capital city of Rwanda we

spent in the capital city of Rwanda we worked with a group of students all

worked with a group of students all

worked with a group of students all female students from the College of

female students from the College of

female students from the College of Science and Technology in the University

Science and Technology in the University

Science and Technology in the University of Rwanda and we also worked with eight

of Rwanda and we also worked with eight

of Rwanda and we also worked with eight high school graduates from various high

high school graduates from various high

high school graduates from various high schools around Rwanda as well and what

schools around Rwanda as well and what

schools around Rwanda as well and what we did was we split into groups we made

we did was we split into groups we made

we did was we split into groups we made eight different workshops demonstrating

eight different workshops demonstrating

eight different workshops demonstrating engineering concepts everything from

engineering concepts everything from

engineering concepts everything from low-cost Diagnostics to water control to

low-cost Diagnostics to water control to

low-cost Diagnostics to water control to renewable energy and what we did was we

renewable energy and what we did was we

renewable energy and what we did was we we then went to schools or we had

we then went to schools or we had

we then went to schools or we had schools come and visit us at the

schools come and visit us at the

schools come and visit us at the University and then we showed them what

University and then we showed them what

University and then we showed them what engineering really was we would give

engineering really was we would give

engineering really was we would give them a small presentation and we would

them a small presentation and we would

them a small presentation and we would tell them this is aerospace engineering

tell them this is aerospace engineering

tell them this is aerospace engineering and these are the subjects you need to

and these are the subjects you need to

and these are the subjects you need to study in order to go there and this is

study in order to go there and this is

study in order to go there and this is the career that you could have

the career that you could have

the career that you could have afterwards and that information in

afterwards and that information in

afterwards and that information in itself is something that they all really

itself is something that they all really

itself is something that they all really wanted to tell but then we also gave

wanted to tell but then we also gave

wanted to tell but then we also gave them the chance to experience that

them the chance to experience that

them the chance to experience that engineering mind for themselves we gave

engineering mind for themselves we gave

engineering mind for themselves we gave them design problems we showed them a

them design problems we showed them a

them design problems we showed them a blind person going around a supermarket

blind person going around a supermarket

blind person going around a supermarket trying to figure out the prices of the

trying to figure out the prices of the

trying to figure out the prices of the foods and we asked them to design

foods and we asked them to design

foods and we asked them to design something out of cardboard and foil and

something out of cardboard and foil and

something out of cardboard and foil and it was incredible what these outputs

it was incredible what these outputs

it was incredible what these outputs were and we were all blown away by the

were and we were all blown away by the

were and we were all blown away by the enthusiasm and the confidence that these

enthusiasm and the confidence that these

enthusiasm and the confidence that these girls had and it was really reassuring

girls had and it was really reassuring

girls had and it was really reassuring because we thought maybe this is it

because we thought maybe this is it

because we thought maybe this is it maybe this is all that you need

maybe this is all that you need

maybe this is all that you need do all you need to do is just show them

do all you need to do is just show them

do all you need to do is just show them what engineering is give them some

what engineering is give them some

what engineering is give them some information and then let them get on

information and then let them get on

information and then let them get on with it and if that’s what they want to

with it and if that’s what they want to

with it and if that’s what they want to do then they will have nothing in their

do then they will have nothing in their

do then they will have nothing in their past stopping them from doing it and

past stopping them from doing it and

past stopping them from doing it and that was achieved bear in mind we saw

that was achieved bear in mind we saw

that was achieved bear in mind we saw only we saw over five hundred

only we saw over five hundred

only we saw over five hundred schoolgirls in those three weeks that

schoolgirls in those three weeks that

schoolgirls in those three weeks that was with only two hours maximum with

was with only two hours maximum with

was with only two hours maximum with each group of skilled children and one

each group of skilled children and one

each group of skilled children and one week of preparation and we managed to

week of preparation and we managed to

week of preparation and we managed to make almost all of them say afterwards

make almost all of them say afterwards

make almost all of them say afterwards that they wanted to be engineers okay

that they wanted to be engineers okay

that they wanted to be engineers okay and whether that was just to make us

and whether that was just to make us

and whether that was just to make us feel happy or not we don’t know

feel happy or not we don’t know

feel happy or not we don’t know but the point is that that wasn’t so

but the point is that that wasn’t so

but the point is that that wasn’t so much effort to just give them that

much effort to just give them that

much effort to just give them that little bit of insight into their future

little bit of insight into their future

little bit of insight into their future and that could be life-changing for some

and that could be life-changing for some

and that could be life-changing for some of them and in terms of the students who

of them and in terms of the students who

of them and in terms of the students who were involved in this they gained a

were involved in this they gained a

were involved in this they gained a really valuable life experience as well

really valuable life experience as well

really valuable life experience as well because not only are they planning a

because not only are they planning a

because not only are they planning a project raising money talking to

project raising money talking to

project raising money talking to companies talking at the Scottish

companies talking at the Scottish

companies talking at the Scottish Parliament about this but they’re also

Parliament about this but they’re also

Parliament about this but they’re also getting to demonstrate that they’re

getting to demonstrate that they’re

getting to demonstrate that they’re experts in something that they are

experts in something that they are

experts in something that they are valued and they’re disciplined enough

valued and they’re disciplined enough

valued and they’re disciplined enough that they can talk to children from

that they can talk to children from

that they can talk to children from another country about it and have an

another country about it and have an

another country about it and have an impact and that’s so important

impact and that’s so important

impact and that’s so important especially for girls who are maybe in

especially for girls who are maybe in

especially for girls who are maybe in the earlier stages of their career to

the earlier stages of their career to

the earlier stages of their career to really feel that ownership over their

really feel that ownership over their

really feel that ownership over their work and their skills so what this leads

work and their skills so what this leads

work and their skills so what this leads to I believe is that we’re just gonna

to I believe is that we’re just gonna

to I believe is that we’re just gonna eliminate that obstacle that obstacle of

eliminate that obstacle that obstacle of

eliminate that obstacle that obstacle of women feeling like there is nothing

women feeling like there is nothing

women feeling like there is nothing holding them back just because they’re

holding them back just because they’re

holding them back just because they’re women and ultimately I think that’s the

women and ultimately I think that’s the

women and ultimately I think that’s the key thing we need to do just show them

key thing we need to do just show them

key thing we need to do just show them that they can do it show them that we

that they can do it show them that we

that they can do it show them that we doing it show them that other people

doing it show them that other people

doing it show them that other people have done it and I think that will

have done it and I think that will

have done it and I think that will really solve a lot of the issues that we

really solve a lot of the issues that we

really solve a lot of the issues that we have so just thinking about what I’m

have so just thinking about what I’m

have so just thinking about what I’m saying today first of all in terms of

saying today first of all in terms of

saying today first of all in terms of your workplace the societies you’re a

your workplace the societies you’re a

your workplace the societies you’re a part of your project teams at work I

part of your project teams at work I

part of your project teams at work I know things that are potentially holding

know things that are potentially holding

know things that are potentially holding it back from being as diverse a

it back from being as diverse a

it back from being as diverse a workplace as it could be do you have

workplace as it could be do you have

workplace as it could be do you have unconscious biases that are potentially

unconscious biases that are potentially

unconscious biases that are potentially getting in the way of you having a more

getting in the way of you having a more

getting in the way of you having a more diverse team

diverse team

diverse team and I myself have unconscious biases oh

and I myself have unconscious biases oh

and I myself have unconscious biases oh I will maybe initially prefer to have

I will maybe initially prefer to have

I will maybe initially prefer to have someone on a team with me because I feel

someone on a team with me because I feel

someone on a team with me because I feel that they relate to me more but that’s

that they relate to me more but that’s

that they relate to me more but that’s not actually the key to progression I

not actually the key to progression I

not actually the key to progression I don’t believe so maybe think about that

don’t believe so maybe think about that

don’t believe so maybe think about that for yourself and in terms of your

for yourself and in terms of your

for yourself and in terms of your children I know that maybe right now the

children I know that maybe right now the

children I know that maybe right now the little girls in your life might all want

little girls in your life might all want

little girls in your life might all want to be princesses okay but that does not

to be princesses okay but that does not

to be princesses okay but that does not mean that that is it and that does not

mean that that is it and that does not

mean that that is it and that does not mean that she’s not capable of doing

mean that she’s not capable of doing

mean that she’s not capable of doing something completely at the other end of

something completely at the other end of

something completely at the other end of the scale in her later life I still want

the scale in her later life I still want

the scale in her later life I still want to be a princess but I’m very very happy

to be a princess but I’m very very happy

to be a princess but I’m very very happy that I’m an engineer so just think about

that I’m an engineer so just think about

that I’m an engineer so just think about changing these attitudes and giving this

changing these attitudes and giving this

changing these attitudes and giving this education in the earliest stages what

education in the earliest stages what

education in the earliest stages what this could do for the world thank you

this could do for the world thank you

this could do for the world thank you [Applause]

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