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Why food poverty persists | Martin Caraher | TEDxLondonSalon


I’m old this is a quote from Yeats and

I’m old this is a quote from Yeats and I’m angry because actually lots of our

I’m angry because actually lots of our

I’m angry because actually lots of our communities are suffering at the moment

communities are suffering at the moment

communities are suffering at the moment and I’m going to give you the details

and I’m going to give you the details

and I’m going to give you the details one billion people in the world tonight

one billion people in the world tonight

one billion people in the world tonight will go to bed hungry a hundred and

will go to bed hungry a hundred and

will go to bed hungry a hundred and fifty million people in Europe will go

fifty million people in Europe will go

fifty million people in Europe will go to bed hungry our best estimates for the

to bed hungry our best estimates for the

to bed hungry our best estimates for the UK are that probably eight million

UK are that probably eight million

UK are that probably eight million people will go hungry tonight

people will go hungry tonight

people will go hungry tonight I’ll come to London in a moment the

I’ll come to London in a moment the

I’ll come to London in a moment the problem is we don’t know because the

problem is we don’t know because the

problem is we don’t know because the government doesn’t collect those

government doesn’t collect those

government doesn’t collect those statistics

statistics

statistics these are best estimates for the UK so

these are best estimates for the UK so

these are best estimates for the UK so I’m angry I’ve been talking about this

I’m angry I’ve been talking about this

I’m angry I’ve been talking about this for 25 years and I’m in the next couple

for 25 years and I’m in the next couple

for 25 years and I’m in the next couple years I hope to retire and sit with my

years I hope to retire and sit with my

years I hope to retire and sit with my grandkids in the garden and I don’t want

grandkids in the garden and I don’t want

grandkids in the garden and I don’t want to be talking about this in ten years

to be talking about this in ten years

to be talking about this in ten years time we should solve this problem

time we should solve this problem

time we should solve this problem because there is not a problem with food

because there is not a problem with food

because there is not a problem with food we have enough food but we don’t get it

we have enough food but we don’t get it

we have enough food but we don’t get it to the right people so that’s the data

to the right people so that’s the data

to the right people so that’s the data Yeats quote I used to live and work in

Yeats quote I used to live and work in

Yeats quote I used to live and work in Sligo so the new poverty what we’re

Sligo so the new poverty what we’re

Sligo so the new poverty what we’re talking about is people are going hungry

talking about is people are going hungry

talking about is people are going hungry in our communities I can take you to

in our communities I can take you to

in our communities I can take you to restaurants a couple of hundred yards

restaurants a couple of hundred yards

restaurants a couple of hundred yards from here where you pay over a hundred

from here where you pay over a hundred

from here where you pay over a hundred pounds a meal I can take you to

pounds a meal I can take you to

pounds a meal I can take you to communities down the back streets here

communities down the back streets here

communities down the back streets here where people are going hungry tonight

where people are going hungry tonight

where people are going hungry tonight and when I say people it’s usually

and when I say people it’s usually

and when I say people it’s usually mothers because mothers sacrifice on

mothers because mothers sacrifice on

mothers because mothers sacrifice on behalf of the rest of the family that’s

behalf of the rest of the family that’s

behalf of the rest of the family that’s what happens so mothers will do it out

what happens so mothers will do it out

what happens so mothers will do it out while while feeding the rest of the

while while feeding the rest of the

while while feeding the rest of the family and this is a letter from a paper

family and this is a letter from a paper

family and this is a letter from a paper saying and what happened is over a

saying and what happened is over a

saying and what happened is over a period of time people’s people’s incomes

period of time people’s people’s incomes

period of time people’s people’s incomes haven’t gone up it remains static food

haven’t gone up it remains static food

haven’t gone up it remains static food prices went up 33 percent during the

prices went up 33 percent during the

prices went up 33 percent during the economic crisis incomes remain steady

economic crisis incomes remain steady

economic crisis incomes remain steady but other outgoings increased so people

but other outgoings increased so people

but other outgoings increased so people made what we call sacrifices on food

made what we call sacrifices on food

made what we call sacrifices on food foods the elastic item in the budget you

foods the elastic item in the budget you

foods the elastic item in the budget you can compromise on food and that’s what

can compromise on food and that’s what

can compromise on food and that’s what lots of people on low incomes done they

lots of people on low incomes done they

lots of people on low incomes done they compromised on food because other

compromised on food because other

compromised on food because other outgoings are fixed and this is a quote

outgoings are fixed and this is a quote

outgoings are fixed and this is a quote from a paper and the guy’s saying I had

from a paper and the guy’s saying I had

from a paper and the guy’s saying I had to meet my mortgage and I’m feeding my

to meet my mortgage and I’m feeding my

to meet my mortgage and I’m feeding my kids dry bread and cereals that’s all I

kids dry bread and cereals that’s all I

kids dry bread and cereals that’s all I have in the house

have in the house

have in the house I put bruce springsteen into every talk

I put bruce springsteen into every talk

I put bruce springsteen into every talk and if students get Bruce singing into

and if students get Bruce singing into

and if students get Bruce singing into an essay they automatically get 10 marks

an essay they automatically get 10 marks

an essay they automatically get 10 marks extra from me but he’s saying here that

extra from me but he’s saying here that

extra from me but he’s saying here that the point is saying here is that he’s

the point is saying here is that he’s

the point is saying here is that he’s talking about food banks and I’m gonna

talking about food banks and I’m gonna

talking about food banks and I’m gonna move on to food banks in a moment in the

move on to food banks in a moment in the

move on to food banks in a moment in the u.s. saying food banks are having a

u.s. saying food banks are having a

u.s. saying food banks are having a problem coping giving out food but the

problem coping giving out food but the

problem coping giving out food but the real problem was the bank’s the global

real problem was the bank’s the global

real problem was the bank’s the global crisis and who got canned for the global

crisis and who got canned for the global

crisis and who got canned for the global crisis a couple of bankers have been

crisis a couple of bankers have been

crisis a couple of bankers have been jailed three bankers mainly Irish

jailed three bankers mainly Irish

jailed three bankers mainly Irish bankers so we can clay claim to

bankers so we can clay claim to

bankers so we can clay claim to something but the consequence of that

something but the consequence of that

something but the consequence of that that food banks have increased we had no

that food banks have increased we had no

that food banks have increased we had no food banks in the UK in 2000 we’ve seen

food banks in the UK in 2000 we’ve seen

food banks in the UK in 2000 we’ve seen a massive growth because people are

a massive growth because people are

a massive growth because people are suffering so that this is a global

suffering so that this is a global

suffering so that this is a global crisis if I talk about Brazil if I talk

crisis if I talk about Brazil if I talk

crisis if I talk about Brazil if I talk about India I talk about Portugal I talk

about India I talk about Portugal I talk

about India I talk about Portugal I talk about the US or Canada we’re seeing this

about the US or Canada we’re seeing this

about the US or Canada we’re seeing this massive growth of food banks as best

massive growth of food banks as best

massive growth of food banks as best estimate in the UK what we’ve got is

estimate in the UK what we’ve got is

estimate in the UK what we’ve got is that 14 million individuals are at risk

that 14 million individuals are at risk

that 14 million individuals are at risk of what we call food poverty or food

of what we call food poverty or food

of what we call food poverty or food insecurity probably a million people in

insecurity probably a million people in

insecurity probably a million people in London at best estimates the Felix

London at best estimates the Felix

London at best estimates the Felix project is saying they’re serving a

project is saying they’re serving a

project is saying they’re serving a million meals a week which if you think

million meals a week which if you think

million meals a week which if you think of but used people using that three

of but used people using that three

of but used people using that three times as probably 300,000 people that go

times as probably 300,000 people that go

times as probably 300,000 people that go hungry are also the same group that are

hungry are also the same group that are

hungry are also the same group that are overweight they’re not two separate

overweight they’re not two separate

overweight they’re not two separate groups so what but what we do is we

groups so what but what we do is we

groups so what but what we do is we treat them under separate silos we don’t

treat them under separate silos we don’t

treat them under separate silos we don’t have a comprehensive policy for dealing

have a comprehensive policy for dealing

have a comprehensive policy for dealing with this and the basic problem is

with this and the basic problem is

with this and the basic problem is poverty so these two things are linked

poverty so these two things are linked

poverty so these two things are linked obesity and poverty there’s a huge

obesity and poverty there’s a huge

obesity and poverty there’s a huge overlap the Venn diagrams overlap

overlap the Venn diagrams overlap

overlap the Venn diagrams overlap massively people in food poverty are

massively people in food poverty are

massively people in food poverty are more likely to be obese during the

more likely to be obese during the

more likely to be obese during the recession people like us stopped eating

recession people like us stopped eating

recession people like us stopped eating out there was a massive decrease between

out there was a massive decrease between

out there was a massive decrease between 2008 and 2012 and eating out the tour

2008 and 2012 and eating out the tour

2008 and 2012 and eating out the tour didn’t stop beating out because they had

didn’t stop beating out because they had

didn’t stop beating out because they had to think about do I turn on my oven or

to think about do I turn on my oven or

to think about do I turn on my oven or do I heat my house and they could buy

do I heat my house and they could buy

do I heat my house and they could buy cheap food on the high street all be a

cheap food on the high street all be a

cheap food on the high street all be a inappropriate for health purposes and

inappropriate for health purposes and

inappropriate for health purposes and obesity purposes and they fed their kids

obesity purposes and they fed their kids

obesity purposes and they fed their kids their concern was with filling their

their concern was with filling their

their concern was with filling their kids up and you know high fat salt sugar

kids up and you know high fat salt sugar

kids up and you know high fat salt sugar does that it may be unhealthy in the

does that it may be unhealthy in the

does that it may be unhealthy in the long term but they were making

long term but they were making

long term but they were making compromises

compromises

compromises since then we’ve all started eating out

since then we’ve all started eating out

since then we’ve all started eating out again we’re fast approaching American

again we’re fast approaching American

again we’re fast approaching American rates of eating out at the moment so

rates of eating out at the moment so

rates of eating out at the moment so this is food security it’s across a

this is food security it’s across a

this is food security it’s across a range so one level it’s worrying about

range so one level it’s worrying about

range so one level it’s worrying about the ability to obtain food will I have

the ability to obtain food will I have

the ability to obtain food will I have food tomorrow you compromise on quality

food tomorrow you compromise on quality

food tomorrow you compromise on quality and variety reduce quantities you skip

and variety reduce quantities you skip

and variety reduce quantities you skip meals and you experience hunger and most

meals and you experience hunger and most

meals and you experience hunger and most of us in this room have not experienced

of us in this room have not experienced

of us in this room have not experienced hunger like I’m talking about skipping a

hunger like I’m talking about skipping a

hunger like I’m talking about skipping a meal this is not just hunger some of we

meal this is not just hunger some of we

meal this is not just hunger some of we do that all the time because we’re busy

do that all the time because we’re busy

do that all the time because we’re busy this is people systematically in a week

this is people systematically in a week

this is people systematically in a week going without food the big driver for

going without food the big driver for

going without food the big driver for this at the moment is the gig economy

this at the moment is the gig economy

this at the moment is the gig economy people on zero hour contracts do not

people on zero hour contracts do not

people on zero hour contracts do not know if they have money next week

know if they have money next week

know if they have money next week they do not know how can they plan for a

they do not know how can they plan for a

they do not know how can they plan for a meal because they don’t have the money

meal because they don’t have the money

meal because they don’t have the money do they will they be at home or will

do they will they be at home or will

do they will they be at home or will they have to get somebody in to look

they have to get somebody in to look

they have to get somebody in to look after the kids the gig economy people

after the kids the gig economy people

after the kids the gig economy people working in that sector are massively at

working in that sector are massively at

working in that sector are massively at risk of being food insecure they’re the

risk of being food insecure they’re the

risk of being food insecure they’re the biggest single growing users of food

biggest single growing users of food

biggest single growing users of food banks doing this growing user the

banks doing this growing user the

banks doing this growing user the biggest users are still those on welfare

biggest users are still those on welfare

biggest users are still those on welfare benefits so this is the Trussell Trust

benefits so this is the Trussell Trust

benefits so this is the Trussell Trust Christian charity of food banks only

Christian charity of food banks only

Christian charity of food banks only accounts for half of all emergency food

accounts for half of all emergency food

accounts for half of all emergency food in the UK 2006 that was the coverage and

in the UK 2006 that was the coverage and

in the UK 2006 that was the coverage and 2013 fort over 400 food banks they only

2013 fort over 400 food banks they only

2013 fort over 400 food banks they only account for house it is now over a

account for house it is now over a

account for house it is now over a thousand food banks in the UK run by

thousand food banks in the UK run by

thousand food banks in the UK run by charities this is something government

charities this is something government

charities this is something government should be doing not food banks up my

should be doing not food banks up my

should be doing not food banks up my argument here isn’t there food banks are

argument here isn’t there food banks are

argument here isn’t there food banks are the problem food banks the symptoms of a

the problem food banks the symptoms of a

the problem food banks the symptoms of a problem so if I’m if you think I’m

problem so if I’m if you think I’m

problem so if I’m if you think I’m getting at food banks I would say we

getting at food banks I would say we

getting at food banks I would say we shouldn’t have food banks I would say

shouldn’t have food banks I would say

shouldn’t have food banks I would say food banks and the rise of food banks

food banks and the rise of food banks

food banks and the rise of food banks are an indicator of other of a wasted

are an indicator of other of a wasted

are an indicator of other of a wasted society of a society that is not dealing

society of a society that is not dealing

society of a society that is not dealing with people who are hungry

with people who are hungry

with people who are hungry so this is some work from sustain the

so this is some work from sustain the

so this is some work from sustain the national group for every one user of a

national group for every one user of a

national group for every one user of a food bank there are eight others who are

food bank there are eight others who are

food bank there are eight others who are food insecure they don’t get to a food

food insecure they don’t get to a food

food insecure they don’t get to a food bank for whatever reason they’re too

bank for whatever reason they’re too

bank for whatever reason they’re too embarrassed they don’t know how a joke

embarrassed they don’t know how a joke

embarrassed they don’t know how a joke or a story I was working in Northern

or a story I was working in Northern

or a story I was working in Northern Ireland recently and people from the

Ireland recently and people from the

Ireland recently and people from the Catholic community we’re travelling

Catholic community we’re travelling

Catholic community we’re travelling three miles to go to the protestant food

three miles to go to the protestant food

three miles to go to the protestant food bank and the protestant people in the

bank and the protestant people in the

bank and the protestant people in the protestant area were going three miles

protestant area were going three miles

protestant area were going three miles go to the catholic food bank because

go to the catholic food bank because

go to the catholic food bank because they did not want to be known by their

they did not want to be known by their

they did not want to be known by their neighbors so they were you might be good

neighbors so they were you might be good

neighbors so they were you might be good for integration you could argue but

for integration you could argue but

for integration you could argue but nobody wants to be in poverty so there

nobody wants to be in poverty so there

nobody wants to be in poverty so there is a shame in using food banks and this

is a shame in using food banks and this

is a shame in using food banks and this is that this cut have we reached the

is that this cut have we reached the

is that this cut have we reached the bottom yet while the rest of us are

bottom yet while the rest of us are

bottom yet while the rest of us are making decisions about our River for

making decisions about our River for

making decisions about our River for deliveries about shopping and Waitrose

deliveries about shopping and Waitrose

deliveries about shopping and Waitrose or earlier little people are making

or earlier little people are making

or earlier little people are making compromises and they’re making those

compromises and they’re making those

compromises and they’re making those compromises for their families for the

compromises for their families for the

compromises for their families for the kids and this is not an attack on food

kids and this is not an attack on food

kids and this is not an attack on food banks this is an attack on the situation

banks this is an attack on the situation

banks this is an attack on the situation that drives people to that and you’ve

that drives people to that and you’ve

that drives people to that and you’ve all seen this you know Muslim food banks

all seen this you know Muslim food banks

all seen this you know Muslim food banks say it’s not tins of baked beans as tins

say it’s not tins of baked beans as tins

say it’s not tins of baked beans as tins of chickpeas they have a problem with

of chickpeas they have a problem with

of chickpeas they have a problem with over massively oversubscribed you see

over massively oversubscribed you see

over massively oversubscribed you see this in your supermarket donate more

this in your supermarket donate more

this in your supermarket donate more this is this is a picture of a food bank

this is this is a picture of a food bank

this is this is a picture of a food bank parcel they usually give out parcels for

parcel they usually give out parcels for

parcel they usually give out parcels for three days and this is a duck this is a

three days and this is a duck this is a

three days and this is a duck this is a drawing from a user now the problem with

drawing from a user now the problem with

drawing from a user now the problem with this is it’s fine in so far as it goes

this is it’s fine in so far as it goes

this is it’s fine in so far as it goes well most food banks can’t give out

well most food banks can’t give out

well most food banks can’t give out fresh fruit and veg it’s difficult they

fresh fruit and veg it’s difficult they

fresh fruit and veg it’s difficult they don’t have the facilities to do that

don’t have the facilities to do that

don’t have the facilities to do that some do but most don’t or they give out

some do but most don’t or they give out

some do but most don’t or they give out what we call dry packages and it’s got

what we call dry packages and it’s got

what we call dry packages and it’s got so bad at the moment that the food banks

so bad at the moment that the food banks

so bad at the moment that the food banks are giving out what we call kettle bags

are giving out what we call kettle bags

are giving out what we call kettle bags which really is pot noodle

which really is pot noodle

which really is pot noodle you only need a kettle to reheat because

you only need a kettle to reheat because

you only need a kettle to reheat because people cannot turn on their oven have

people cannot turn on their oven have

people cannot turn on their oven have they have to be worried about turning on

they have to be worried about turning on

they have to be worried about turning on their electricity finish with this this

their electricity finish with this this

their electricity finish with this this is I Daniel Blake I don’t know if you

is I Daniel Blake I don’t know if you

is I Daniel Blake I don’t know if you saw its course it’s fiction but it’s

saw its course it’s fiction but it’s

saw its course it’s fiction but it’s based on fact it’s based on absolutely

based on fact it’s based on absolutely

based on fact it’s based on absolutely all the experience with we know we’ve

all the experience with we know we’ve

all the experience with we know we’ve had working with food bank users

had working with food bank users

had working with food bank users so I think what we need to do is end

so I think what we need to do is end

so I think what we need to do is end poverty we need to bring back people who

poverty we need to bring back people who

poverty we need to bring back people who are suffering and give them an adequate

are suffering and give them an adequate

are suffering and give them an adequate wage I mean you said there many people

wage I mean you said there many people

wage I mean you said there many people who work in the food industry are the

who work in the food industry are the

who work in the food industry are the ones who suffer here as well people

ones who suffer here as well people

ones who suffer here as well people working in sections of the food industry

working in sections of the food industry

working in sections of the food industry are massively underpaid so I’m two

are massively underpaid so I’m two

are massively underpaid so I’m two seconds away from finishing and I’m

seconds away from finishing and I’m

seconds away from finishing and I’m finished thank you

finished thank you

finished thank you [Applause]

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