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did you know that one of the first

did you know that one of the first fertility drugs was made from the pee of

fertility drugs was made from the pee of

fertility drugs was made from the pee of Catholic nuns and that even the Pope got

Catholic nuns and that even the Pope got

Catholic nuns and that even the Pope got involved so this is totally true back in

involved so this is totally true back in

involved so this is totally true back in the 1950s scientists knew that when

the 1950s scientists knew that when

the 1950s scientists knew that when women enter menopause they start

women enter menopause they start

women enter menopause they start releasing high levels of fertility

releasing high levels of fertility

releasing high levels of fertility hormones in their urine but there was

hormones in their urine but there was

hormones in their urine but there was this doctor named Bruno Lunan Feld who

this doctor named Bruno Lunan Feld who

this doctor named Bruno Lunan Feld who wondered if he could actually isolate

wondered if he could actually isolate

wondered if he could actually isolate those hormones from the urine and use it

those hormones from the urine and use it

those hormones from the urine and use it to help women who are having trouble

to help women who are having trouble

to help women who are having trouble getting pregnant obviously the problem

getting pregnant obviously the problem

getting pregnant obviously the problem with this was that in order to test this

with this was that in order to test this

with this was that in order to test this idea he needed a lot of pee from older

idea he needed a lot of pee from older

idea he needed a lot of pee from older women and that is not an easy thing to

women and that is not an easy thing to

women and that is not an easy thing to find so he and his colleagues got

find so he and his colleagues got

find so he and his colleagues got special permission from the Pope to

special permission from the Pope to

special permission from the Pope to collect gallons and gallons of urine

collect gallons and gallons of urine

collect gallons and gallons of urine from hundreds of older Catholic nuns and

from hundreds of older Catholic nuns and

from hundreds of older Catholic nuns and in doing so he actually isolated

in doing so he actually isolated

in doing so he actually isolated hormones that are still used to help

hormones that are still used to help

hormones that are still used to help women get pregnant today though now they

women get pregnant today though now they

women get pregnant today though now they can be synthesized in a lab and gallons

can be synthesized in a lab and gallons

can be synthesized in a lab and gallons of pee aren’t necessary so why am i

of pee aren’t necessary so why am i

of pee aren’t necessary so why am i standing up here telling this

standing up here telling this

standing up here telling this wonderfully intellectual audience about

wonderfully intellectual audience about

wonderfully intellectual audience about nun pee well I’m a science journalist

nun pee well I’m a science journalist

nun pee well I’m a science journalist and multimedia producer who has always

and multimedia producer who has always

and multimedia producer who has always been fascinated by gross stuff so

been fascinated by gross stuff so

been fascinated by gross stuff so fascinated in fact that I started a

fascinated in fact that I started a

fascinated in fact that I started a weekly YouTube series called gross

weekly YouTube series called gross

weekly YouTube series called gross science all about the slimy smelly

science all about the slimy smelly

science all about the slimy smelly creepy underbelly of nature medicine and

creepy underbelly of nature medicine and

creepy underbelly of nature medicine and technology now I think most of us would

technology now I think most of us would

technology now I think most of us would agree that there’s something little

agree that there’s something little

agree that there’s something little gross about pee you know it’s something

gross about pee you know it’s something

gross about pee you know it’s something that we don’t really like to talk about

that we don’t really like to talk about

that we don’t really like to talk about and we keep the act of doing it

and we keep the act of doing it

and we keep the act of doing it very private but when Lunan Fell’s

very private but when Lunan Fell’s

very private but when Lunan Fell’s peered into the world of pee he

peered into the world of pee he

peered into the world of pee he discovered something deeply helpful to

discovered something deeply helpful to

discovered something deeply helpful to humanity and after a year and a half of

humanity and after a year and a half of

humanity and after a year and a half of making my show I can

making my show I can

making my show I can tell you very often when we explore the

tell you very often when we explore the

tell you very often when we explore the growth side of life we find insights

growth side of life we find insights

growth side of life we find insights that we never would have thought we

that we never would have thought we

that we never would have thought we would find and we even often reveal

would find and we even often reveal

would find and we even often reveal beauty that we didn’t think was there I

beauty that we didn’t think was there I

beauty that we didn’t think was there I think it’s important for us to talk

think it’s important for us to talk

think it’s important for us to talk about gross things for a few reasons

about gross things for a few reasons

about gross things for a few reasons first of all talking about gross stuff

first of all talking about gross stuff

first of all talking about gross stuff is a great tool for education and it’s

is a great tool for education and it’s

is a great tool for education and it’s an excellent way to preserve curiosity

an excellent way to preserve curiosity

an excellent way to preserve curiosity to explain what I mean why don’t I tell

to explain what I mean why don’t I tell

to explain what I mean why don’t I tell you a little bit about what I was like

you a little bit about what I was like

you a little bit about what I was like as a child so I was what you might call

as a child so I was what you might call

as a child so I was what you might call a gross kid in fact my love of science

a gross kid in fact my love of science

a gross kid in fact my love of science itself began when my parents bought me a

itself began when my parents bought me a

itself began when my parents bought me a slime chemistry set and was then only

slime chemistry set and was then only

slime chemistry set and was then only enhanced by doing gross experiments in

enhanced by doing gross experiments in

enhanced by doing gross experiments in my sixth grade biology class so we did

my sixth grade biology class so we did

my sixth grade biology class so we did things like we swab surfaces around our

things like we swab surfaces around our

things like we swab surfaces around our classroom and cultured the bacteria we’d

classroom and cultured the bacteria we’d

classroom and cultured the bacteria we’d collected and we dissected owl pellets

collected and we dissected owl pellets

collected and we dissected owl pellets which are like these balls of material

which are like these balls of material

which are like these balls of material that are undigested that owls barf up

that are undigested that owls barf up

that are undigested that owls barf up and its really kind of gross and awesome

and its really kind of gross and awesome

and its really kind of gross and awesome and cool now the fact that I was

and cool now the fact that I was

and cool now the fact that I was obsessed with gross stuff as a kid is

obsessed with gross stuff as a kid is

obsessed with gross stuff as a kid is not so revolutionary you know lots of

not so revolutionary you know lots of

not so revolutionary you know lots of kids are really into gross things like

kids are really into gross things like

kids are really into gross things like playing in dirt or collecting beetles or

playing in dirt or collecting beetles or

playing in dirt or collecting beetles or eating their boogers and why is that I

eating their boogers and why is that I

eating their boogers and why is that I think really little kids are like little

think really little kids are like little

think really little kids are like little explorers they just want to experience

explorers they just want to experience

explorers they just want to experience as much as they can and don’t have any

as much as they can and don’t have any

as much as they can and don’t have any idea about like the relative

idea about like the relative

idea about like the relative acceptability of touching a ladybug

acceptability of touching a ladybug

acceptability of touching a ladybug versus a stink bug they just want to

versus a stink bug they just want to

versus a stink bug they just want to understand how everything works and

understand how everything works and

understand how everything works and experience as much of life as they can

experience as much of life as they can

experience as much of life as they can and that is pure curiosity but then

and that is pure curiosity but then

and that is pure curiosity but then adults step in and we tell kids not to

adults step in and we tell kids not to

adults step in and we tell kids not to pick their noses and not to touch the

pick their noses and not to touch the

pick their noses and not to touch the slugs or toads or whatever else they

slugs or toads or whatever else they

slugs or toads or whatever else they find in the backyard because those

find in the backyard because those

find in the backyard because those things are gross and we do that in part

things are gross and we do that in part

things are gross and we do that in part to keep kids safe right like maybe

to keep kids safe right like maybe

to keep kids safe right like maybe picking your nose spreads germs and

picking your nose spreads germs and

picking your nose spreads germs and maybe touching that toad will give you

maybe touching that toad will give you

maybe touching that toad will give you warts even though I don’t actually think

warts even though I don’t actually think

warts even though I don’t actually think that’s true you should feel free to

that’s true you should feel free to

that’s true you should feel free to touch as many totes as you want still at

touch as many totes as you want still at

touch as many totes as you want still at a certain point when kids get a little

a certain point when kids get a little

a certain point when kids get a little bit older there’s this way that

bit older there’s this way that

bit older there’s this way that engaging with gross stuff isn’t just

engaging with gross stuff isn’t just

engaging with gross stuff isn’t just about curiosity it’s also about sort of

about curiosity it’s also about sort of

about curiosity it’s also about sort of finding out where the limits are pushing

finding out where the limits are pushing

finding out where the limits are pushing the boundaries of what’s okay so you

the boundaries of what’s okay so you

the boundaries of what’s okay so you know lots of kids of a certain age will

know lots of kids of a certain age will

know lots of kids of a certain age will have burping competitions or

have burping competitions or

have burping competitions or competitions to see who can make the

competitions to see who can make the

competitions to see who can make the grossest face and they do that in part

grossest face and they do that in part

grossest face and they do that in part because it’s a little bit transgressive

because it’s a little bit transgressive

because it’s a little bit transgressive right but there’s another layer to why

right but there’s another layer to why

right but there’s another layer to why we define stuff as gross as humans we’ve

we define stuff as gross as humans we’ve

we define stuff as gross as humans we’ve sort of extended the concept of disgust

sort of extended the concept of disgust

sort of extended the concept of disgust to morality so the psychologist Paul

to morality so the psychologist Paul

to morality so the psychologist Paul rosin would say that many of the things

rosin would say that many of the things

rosin would say that many of the things we categorize as gross are things that

we categorize as gross are things that

we categorize as gross are things that remind us that we’re just animals these

remind us that we’re just animals these

remind us that we’re just animals these are things like bodily fluids and sex

are things like bodily fluids and sex

are things like bodily fluids and sex and physical abnormalities and death and

and physical abnormalities and death and

and physical abnormalities and death and the idea that we’re just animals can be

the idea that we’re just animals can be

the idea that we’re just animals can be really unsettling because it can be this

really unsettling because it can be this

really unsettling because it can be this reminder of our own mortality and that

reminder of our own mortality and that

reminder of our own mortality and that can leave many of us with this like deep

can leave many of us with this like deep

can leave many of us with this like deep existential angst

existential angst

existential angst so rosin would say that there’s this way

so rosin would say that there’s this way

so rosin would say that there’s this way in which disgust and the avoidance of

in which disgust and the avoidance of

in which disgust and the avoidance of gross things becomes not just a way to

gross things becomes not just a way to

gross things becomes not just a way to protect our bodies it becomes a way to

protect our bodies it becomes a way to

protect our bodies it becomes a way to protect our souls I think at a certain

protect our souls I think at a certain

protect our souls I think at a certain point kids really begin to internalize

point kids really begin to internalize

point kids really begin to internalize this link between disgusting things and

this link between disgusting things and

this link between disgusting things and immorality and I well I don’t have any

immorality and I well I don’t have any

immorality and I well I don’t have any concrete data to back up this next idea

concrete data to back up this next idea

concrete data to back up this next idea I think that for a lot of us it happens

I think that for a lot of us it happens

I think that for a lot of us it happens around the time we hit puberty and you

around the time we hit puberty and you

around the time we hit puberty and you know yeah so during puberty you know our

know yeah so during puberty you know our

know yeah so during puberty you know our bodies are changing and we’re sweating

bodies are changing and we’re sweating

bodies are changing and we’re sweating more and girls get their periods and

more and girls get their periods and

more and girls get their periods and we’re thinking about sex in this way

we’re thinking about sex in this way

we’re thinking about sex in this way that we never did before

that we never did before

that we never did before and through the human capacity for

and through the human capacity for

and through the human capacity for abstraction this shame can settle in so

abstraction this shame can settle in so

abstraction this shame can settle in so we don’t necessarily just think oh my

we don’t necessarily just think oh my

we don’t necessarily just think oh my goodness something really gross is

goodness something really gross is

goodness something really gross is happening in my body we think oh my god

happening in my body we think oh my god

happening in my body we think oh my god maybe I’m gross and maybe that means

maybe I’m gross and maybe that means

maybe I’m gross and maybe that means that there’s something bad or wrong

that there’s something bad or wrong

that there’s something bad or wrong about me

about me

about me the thing is that if you de facto

the thing is that if you de facto

the thing is that if you de facto associate gross stuff with immorality

associate gross stuff with immorality

associate gross stuff with immorality you

you

you a huge part of your curiosity because

a huge part of your curiosity because

a huge part of your curiosity because there is so much out there in the world

there is so much out there in the world

there is so much out there in the world that is a little bit gross like think

that is a little bit gross like think

that is a little bit gross like think about going for a walk in the woods you

about going for a walk in the woods you

about going for a walk in the woods you could just pay attention to the birds

could just pay attention to the birds

could just pay attention to the birds and the trees and the flowers and that

and the trees and the flowers and that

and the trees and the flowers and that would be fine but in my view you’d be

would be fine but in my view you’d be

would be fine but in my view you’d be missing a bigger and more awesome

missing a bigger and more awesome

missing a bigger and more awesome picture of life on this planet so there

picture of life on this planet so there

picture of life on this planet so there are cycles of decay that are drying that

are cycles of decay that are drying that

are cycles of decay that are drying that are driving forest growth and there are

are driving forest growth and there are

are driving forest growth and there are networks of fungus beneath your feet

networks of fungus beneath your feet

networks of fungus beneath your feet that are connecting literally all of the

that are connecting literally all of the

that are connecting literally all of the plants around you like that’s really

plants around you like that’s really

plants around you like that’s really amazing I feel like we should be talking

amazing I feel like we should be talking

amazing I feel like we should be talking about gross stuff early and often with

about gross stuff early and often with

about gross stuff early and often with young people so they feel like they’re

young people so they feel like they’re

young people so they feel like they’re actually allowed to claim this bigger

actually allowed to claim this bigger

actually allowed to claim this bigger picture of life on on our planet the

picture of life on on our planet the

picture of life on on our planet the good news is that for many of us the

good news is that for many of us the

good news is that for many of us the fascination with gross stuff doesn’t

fascination with gross stuff doesn’t

fascination with gross stuff doesn’t exactly go away we just kind of pretend

exactly go away we just kind of pretend

exactly go away we just kind of pretend like it’s not there but truthfully we

like it’s not there but truthfully we

like it’s not there but truthfully we all spend like sort of a big part of our

all spend like sort of a big part of our

all spend like sort of a big part of our lives just trying not to be gross when

lives just trying not to be gross when

lives just trying not to be gross when you really think about it we’re sort of

you really think about it we’re sort of

you really think about it we’re sort of just like bags of fluids and some weird

just like bags of fluids and some weird

just like bags of fluids and some weird tissues like surrounded by a thin layer

tissues like surrounded by a thin layer

tissues like surrounded by a thin layer of skin and to a certain extent multiple

of skin and to a certain extent multiple

of skin and to a certain extent multiple times a day whether consciously or

times a day whether consciously or

times a day whether consciously or subconsciously I need to remind myself

subconsciously I need to remind myself

subconsciously I need to remind myself not to fart publicly you know

not to fart publicly you know

not to fart publicly you know so we’re desperately trying to avoid

so we’re desperately trying to avoid

so we’re desperately trying to avoid being gross all the time

being gross all the time

being gross all the time I think many of us take this kind of

I think many of us take this kind of

I think many of us take this kind of voyeuristic delight in learning about

voyeuristic delight in learning about

voyeuristic delight in learning about gross things this is certainly true of

gross things this is certainly true of

gross things this is certainly true of kids and the number of middle school

kids and the number of middle school

kids and the number of middle school teachers who show my videos in their

teachers who show my videos in their

teachers who show my videos in their science classes is like a testament to

science classes is like a testament to

science classes is like a testament to that but I think it’s totally true of

that but I think it’s totally true of

that but I think it’s totally true of adults too you know and I think we all

adults too you know and I think we all

adults too you know and I think we all love hearing about gross stories because

love hearing about gross stories because

love hearing about gross stories because it’s a socially acceptable way to

it’s a socially acceptable way to

it’s a socially acceptable way to explore the growth side of ourselves but

explore the growth side of ourselves but

explore the growth side of ourselves but there’s this other reason that I think

there’s this other reason that I think

there’s this other reason that I think talking about gross stuff is so

talking about gross stuff is so

talking about gross stuff is so important a while back I need a video on

important a while back I need a video on

important a while back I need a video on tonsil stones sorry everyone which are

tonsil stones sorry everyone which are

tonsil stones sorry everyone which are these balls of mucus and bacteria and

these balls of mucus and bacteria and

these balls of mucus and bacteria and food that get lodged in your tonsils and

food that get lodged in your tonsils and

food that get lodged in your tonsils and they smell really terrible sometimes you

they smell really terrible sometimes you

they smell really terrible sometimes you cough them up and it’s like it’s awful

cough them up and it’s like it’s awful

cough them up and it’s like it’s awful and many many people have experienced

and many many people have experienced

and many many people have experienced that

that

that but many of the people who have

but many of the people who have

but many of the people who have experienced this haven’t really had a

experienced this haven’t really had a

experienced this haven’t really had a forum to talk about it and to date this

forum to talk about it and to date this

forum to talk about it and to date this video that I made is my most popular

video that I made is my most popular

video that I made is my most popular video it has millions of views and in

video it has millions of views and in

video it has millions of views and in the comment section for that video

the comment section for that video

the comment section for that video became sort of like a self-help section

became sort of like a self-help section

became sort of like a self-help section where people could talk about their

where people could talk about their

where people could talk about their tonsil stone experiences and like tips

tonsil stone experiences and like tips

tonsil stone experiences and like tips and tricks are getting rid of them and I

and tricks are getting rid of them and I

and tricks are getting rid of them and I think it just became this great way for

think it just became this great way for

think it just became this great way for people to talk about something that

people to talk about something that

people to talk about something that they’d never felt comfortable talking

they’d never felt comfortable talking

they’d never felt comfortable talking about publicly and that is wonderful

about publicly and that is wonderful

about publicly and that is wonderful when it’s about something as goofy as

when it’s about something as goofy as

when it’s about something as goofy as tonsil stones but it’s a little sad when

tonsil stones but it’s a little sad when

tonsil stones but it’s a little sad when a video can have an effect like that

a video can have an effect like that

a video can have an effect like that when it’s about something as common as

when it’s about something as common as

when it’s about something as common as periods so last February I released a

periods so last February I released a

periods so last February I released a video on menstruation and to this day I

video on menstruation and to this day I

video on menstruation and to this day I am still getting messages from people

am still getting messages from people

am still getting messages from people around the globe who are asking me about

around the globe who are asking me about

around the globe who are asking me about their periods there are a lot of young

their periods there are a lot of young

their periods there are a lot of young people and some not so young people out

people and some not so young people out

people and some not so young people out there who are worried that what’s

there who are worried that what’s

there who are worried that what’s happening to their bodies is somehow not

happening to their bodies is somehow not

happening to their bodies is somehow not normal and of course I always tell them

normal and of course I always tell them

normal and of course I always tell them that I am NOT a medical professional and

that I am NOT a medical professional and

that I am NOT a medical professional and that if possible they should talk to a

that if possible they should talk to a

that if possible they should talk to a doctor but the truth of the matter is

doctor but the truth of the matter is

doctor but the truth of the matter is that everyone should feel comfortable

that everyone should feel comfortable

that everyone should feel comfortable talking to a doctor about their own

talking to a doctor about their own

talking to a doctor about their own bodies and that’s why I think it’s

bodies and that’s why I think it’s

bodies and that’s why I think it’s really important for us to start this

really important for us to start this

really important for us to start this dialogue about gross stuff from a pretty

dialogue about gross stuff from a pretty

dialogue about gross stuff from a pretty early age so we can let our kids know

early age so we can let our kids know

early age so we can let our kids know that it’s all right to have agency over

that it’s all right to have agency over

that it’s all right to have agency over your own body and over your own health

your own body and over your own health

your own body and over your own health there’s another reason that talking to

there’s another reason that talking to

there’s another reason that talking to your doctor about your health and gross

your doctor about your health and gross

your doctor about your health and gross stuff is really really important um

stuff is really really important um

stuff is really really important um doctors and the scientific community can

doctors and the scientific community can

doctors and the scientific community can only address issues when they know

only address issues when they know

only address issues when they know there’s something to address so one of

there’s something to address so one of

there’s something to address so one of the really interesting things I learned

the really interesting things I learned

the really interesting things I learned while making the video on periods is

while making the video on periods is

while making the video on periods is that I was talking to this one scientist

that I was talking to this one scientist

that I was talking to this one scientist who told me there’s actually still a lot

who told me there’s actually still a lot

who told me there’s actually still a lot we don’t know about about periods like

we don’t know about about periods like

we don’t know about about periods like there’s a lot of basic research that

there’s a lot of basic research that

there’s a lot of basic research that still hasn’t been done and in part

still hasn’t been done and in part

still hasn’t been done and in part that’s just because there weren’t a lot

that’s just because there weren’t a lot

that’s just because there weren’t a lot of scientists in the field who were

of scientists in the field who were

of scientists in the field who were women to ask questions about it and it’s

women to ask questions about it and it’s

women to ask questions about it and it’s also not a topic that women talk about

also not a topic that women talk about

also not a topic that women talk about publicly so there’s this gap

publicly so there’s this gap

publicly so there’s this gap in what we know just because no one was

in what we know just because no one was

in what we know just because no one was there to ask a question there’s one

there to ask a question there’s one

there to ask a question there’s one final reason that I think talking about

final reason that I think talking about

final reason that I think talking about gross stuff is so important and that’s

gross stuff is so important and that’s

gross stuff is so important and that’s because you just never know what you’re

because you just never know what you’re

because you just never know what you’re gonna find when you peel back all those

gonna find when you peel back all those

gonna find when you peel back all those layers of disgustingness take the

layers of disgustingness take the

layers of disgustingness take the California brown sea hair this is a sea

California brown sea hair this is a sea

California brown sea hair this is a sea slug that squirts this lovely bright

slug that squirts this lovely bright

slug that squirts this lovely bright purple ink at any creature that tries to

purple ink at any creature that tries to

purple ink at any creature that tries to eat it but it also happens to be one of

eat it but it also happens to be one of

eat it but it also happens to be one of the kinkiest creatures in the animal

the kinkiest creatures in the animal

the kinkiest creatures in the animal kingdom so these guys are hermaphrodites

kingdom so these guys are hermaphrodites

kingdom so these guys are hermaphrodites which means they have both male and

which means they have both male and

which means they have both male and female genitalia and when it’s time to

female genitalia and when it’s time to

female genitalia and when it’s time to mate up to 20 individuals we’ll all get

mate up to 20 individuals we’ll all get

mate up to 20 individuals we’ll all get together in this kind of like conga line

together in this kind of like conga line

together in this kind of like conga line and they’ll all mate together a single

and they’ll all mate together a single

and they’ll all mate together a single fear will inseminate the partner in

fear will inseminate the partner in

fear will inseminate the partner in front of it and receive sperm from the

front of it and receive sperm from the

front of it and receive sperm from the one behind which is sort of like an

one behind which is sort of like an

one behind which is sort of like an awesome time saver but if scientists had

awesome time saver but if scientists had

awesome time saver but if scientists had only like saw this and they were like

only like saw this and they were like

only like saw this and they were like okay we’re just not going to touch that

okay we’re just not going to touch that

okay we’re just not going to touch that with a stick they would have missed the

with a stick they would have missed the

with a stick they would have missed the bigger thing about sea hares that makes

bigger thing about sea hares that makes

bigger thing about sea hares that makes them really remarkable so it turns out

them really remarkable so it turns out

them really remarkable so it turns out that these sea hares have a small number

that these sea hares have a small number

that these sea hares have a small number of very large neurons which makes them

of very large neurons which makes them

of very large neurons which makes them excellent to use in neuroscience

excellent to use in neuroscience

excellent to use in neuroscience research and in fact the scientist Eric

research and in fact the scientist Eric

research and in fact the scientist Eric Kandel used them in his research to

Kandel used them in his research to

Kandel used them in his research to understand how memories are stored and

understand how memories are stored and

understand how memories are stored and you know what he won a Nobel Prize for

you know what he won a Nobel Prize for

you know what he won a Nobel Prize for his work so go out there and pick up

his work so go out there and pick up

his work so go out there and pick up beetles and play in dirt and ask

beetles and play in dirt and ask

beetles and play in dirt and ask questions and own your fascination with

questions and own your fascination with

questions and own your fascination with gross stuff and don’t be ashamed of it

gross stuff and don’t be ashamed of it

gross stuff and don’t be ashamed of it because you never know what you’re gonna

because you never know what you’re gonna

because you never know what you’re gonna find and as I say at the end of all my

find and as I say at the end of all my

find and as I say at the end of all my videos you know thank you

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