I spent most of my adult life in jail and working in jails I retired as a
and working in jails I retired as a
and working in jails I retired as a lieutenant from the Sheriff’s Office and
lieutenant from the Sheriff’s Office and
lieutenant from the Sheriff’s Office and I have a story to tell you or a
I have a story to tell you or a
I have a story to tell you or a conversation I want to have with you
conversation I want to have with you
conversation I want to have with you about jails there’s approximately
about jails there’s approximately
about jails there’s approximately 700,000 people at any given time in
700,000 people at any given time in
700,000 people at any given time in American jails and there’s more than
American jails and there’s more than
American jails and there’s more than 3,000 jails in America and there’s two
3,000 jails in America and there’s two
3,000 jails in America and there’s two things that I want you to remember when
things that I want you to remember when
things that I want you to remember when we have this conversation one is that
we have this conversation one is that
we have this conversation one is that the condition of environment is not the
the condition of environment is not the
the condition of environment is not the punishment meaning just being in jail if
punishment meaning just being in jail if
punishment meaning just being in jail if you’re convicted of a crime that’s the
you’re convicted of a crime that’s the
you’re convicted of a crime that’s the punishment you’re you’re separated from
punishment you’re you’re separated from
punishment you’re you’re separated from your community you’re separated from
your community you’re separated from
your community you’re separated from your family your friends from
your family your friends from
your family your friends from participating in in life that’s the
participating in in life that’s the
participating in in life that’s the punishment the punishment is not harsh
punishment the punishment is not harsh
punishment the punishment is not harsh conditions the other thing I want you to
conditions the other thing I want you to
conditions the other thing I want you to remember is that when we the way we
remember is that when we the way we
remember is that when we the way we treat people in jail really speaks more
treat people in jail really speaks more
treat people in jail really speaks more to what kind of people we are rather
to what kind of people we are rather
to what kind of people we are rather than what kind of people they are and I
than what kind of people they are and I
than what kind of people they are and I think with those two things in mind we
think with those two things in mind we
think with those two things in mind we can have this conversation so jail is a
can have this conversation so jail is a
can have this conversation so jail is a jarring experience when you go to jail
jarring experience when you go to jail
jarring experience when you go to jail you probably rode there in the back of a
you probably rode there in the back of a
you probably rode there in the back of a police car you were handcuffed you were
police car you were handcuffed you were
police car you were handcuffed you were probably searched when you’re arrested
probably searched when you’re arrested
probably searched when you’re arrested you got to the jail you’re probably
you got to the jail you’re probably
you got to the jail you’re probably searched again you might even been
searched again you might even been
searched again you might even been strip-searched in the jail you were
strip-searched in the jail you were
strip-searched in the jail you were processed you were catalogued they took
processed you were catalogued they took
processed you were catalogued they took information from me they took your
information from me they took your
information from me they took your fingerprints they took your pictures
fingerprints they took your pictures
fingerprints they took your pictures they told you when you could use a phone
they told you when you could use a phone
they told you when you could use a phone when you couldn’t use a phone where to
when you couldn’t use a phone where to
when you couldn’t use a phone where to sit where not to sit and when to go in
sit where not to sit and when to go in
sit where not to sit and when to go in the cell so they could lock the door and
the cell so they could lock the door and
the cell so they could lock the door and we call that locking down you have no
we call that locking down you have no
we call that locking down you have no control over your environment this
control over your environment this
control over your environment this environment that you’re living in in
environment that you’re living in in
environment that you’re living in in jail now it’s jarring but there’s
jail now it’s jarring but there’s
jail now it’s jarring but there’s something else happening when you go to
something else happening when you go to
something else happening when you go to jail jail is an emotional experience as
jail jail is an emotional experience as
jail jail is an emotional experience as well because when you go to jail you
well because when you go to jail you
well because when you go to jail you take a step out from society what’s
take a step out from society what’s
take a step out from society what’s gonna happen to my family am I gonna see
gonna happen to my family am I gonna see
gonna happen to my family am I gonna see my family again am I going to lose my
my family again am I going to lose my
my family again am I going to lose my job am I gonna be able to work in the
job am I gonna be able to work in the
job am I gonna be able to work in the morning
morning
morning what’s going to happen to me and these
what’s going to happen to me and these
what’s going to happen to me and these charges that they’ve leveled against me
charges that they’ve leveled against me
charges that they’ve leveled against me are these charges gonna mean that I’m
are these charges gonna mean that I’m
are these charges gonna mean that I’m gonna stay in jail for a longer period
gonna stay in jail for a longer period
gonna stay in jail for a longer period of time or maybe even go to prison for
of time or maybe even go to prison for
of time or maybe even go to prison for the rest of my life how is this gonna
the rest of my life how is this gonna
the rest of my life how is this gonna affect me how are people in the
affect me how are people in the
affect me how are people in the community gonna see me after me going to
community gonna see me after me going to
community gonna see me after me going to jail it’s an emotional experience jails
jail it’s an emotional experience jails
jail it’s an emotional experience jails are like small communities they’re
are like small communities they’re
are like small communities they’re little cities and they have all the
little cities and they have all the
little cities and they have all the services that you have in your community
services that you have in your community
services that you have in your community and the people in jail the populations
and the people in jail the populations
and the people in jail the populations in jail are divided into smaller groups
in jail are divided into smaller groups
in jail are divided into smaller groups to manage and care for their custody the
to manage and care for their custody the
to manage and care for their custody the largest group is general population so
largest group is general population so
largest group is general population so general population is like dorm living
general population is like dorm living
general population is like dorm living for the most part you can come out you
for the most part you can come out you
for the most part you can come out you can talk to other people you can watch
can talk to other people you can watch
can talk to other people you can watch TV play board games you might be able to
TV play board games you might be able to
TV play board games you might be able to go to programs it could be parenting
go to programs it could be parenting
go to programs it could be parenting programs educational programs it might
programs educational programs it might
programs educational programs it might be physical programs so that type of
be physical programs so that type of
be physical programs so that type of thing you have some time out with other
thing you have some time out with other
thing you have some time out with other people at night you’re probably going to
people at night you’re probably going to
people at night you’re probably going to lockdown in a Cell either by yourself or
lockdown in a Cell either by yourself or
lockdown in a Cell either by yourself or with somebody else but for the most part
with somebody else but for the most part
with somebody else but for the most part you’re gonna be out with other people
you’re gonna be out with other people
you’re gonna be out with other people male and female inmates aren’t housed
male and female inmates aren’t housed
male and female inmates aren’t housed together they’re housed in separate
together they’re housed in separate
together they’re housed in separate parts of the jail we have inmate workers
parts of the jail we have inmate workers
parts of the jail we have inmate workers in the jail and inmate workers are
in the jail and inmate workers are
in the jail and inmate workers are people who do the work in the jail they
people who do the work in the jail they
people who do the work in the jail they do the cleaning and they do the
do the cleaning and they do the
do the cleaning and they do the preparation of meals and the serving of
preparation of meals and the serving of
preparation of meals and the serving of meals and they do this in exchange for
meals and they do this in exchange for
meals and they do this in exchange for what’s called good time and that means
what’s called good time and that means
what’s called good time and that means that they get to leave jail hopefully a
that they get to leave jail hopefully a
that they get to leave jail hopefully a little earlier before their sentence is
little earlier before their sentence is
little earlier before their sentence is over and there’s another positive to
over and there’s another positive to
over and there’s another positive to doing this they have a distraction
doing this they have a distraction
doing this they have a distraction because remember we talked about the
because remember we talked about the
because remember we talked about the physical environment of being in jail
physical environment of being in jail
physical environment of being in jail and that’s a stress and then the
and that’s a stress and then the
and that’s a stress and then the emotional environment being in jail so
emotional environment being in jail so
emotional environment being in jail so all the emotional things that you’re
all the emotional things that you’re
all the emotional things that you’re dealing with that’s that’s another
dealing with that’s that’s another
dealing with that’s that’s another stressor and having something positive
stressor and having something positive
stressor and having something positive to do or to take your mind off of these
to do or to take your mind off of these
to do or to take your mind off of these things while you’re in jail is a good
things while you’re in jail is a good
things while you’re in jail is a good thing we have another group that is
thing we have another group that is
thing we have another group that is high-security admin segregation inmates
high-security admin segregation inmates
high-security admin segregation inmates and high-security admin segregation
and high-security admin segregation
and high-security admin segregation inmates these are people that are in
inmates these are people that are in
inmates these are people that are in jail within Jail
jail within Jail
jail within Jail generally high-security inmates are
generally high-security inmates are
generally high-security inmates are inmates that come to jail with a history
inmates that come to jail with a history
inmates that come to jail with a history of violent
of violent
of violent history of escape attempt or or perhaps
history of escape attempt or or perhaps
history of escape attempt or or perhaps when they came to jail they were
when they came to jail they were
when they came to jail they were threatening to be violent admin
threatening to be violent admin
threatening to be violent admin segregation inmates are inmates who have
segregation inmates are inmates who have
segregation inmates are inmates who have a hard time following the rules and
a hard time following the rules and
a hard time following the rules and there’s like a billion rules in jail you
there’s like a billion rules in jail you
there’s like a billion rules in jail you have to wear your shirt your clothes
have to wear your shirt your clothes
have to wear your shirt your clothes correctly you have to clean your room
correctly you have to clean your room
correctly you have to clean your room you have to follow directions you have
you have to follow directions you have
you have to follow directions you have to not backtalk there’s a bunch of rules
to not backtalk there’s a bunch of rules
to not backtalk there’s a bunch of rules that you have to follow in jail and it’s
that you have to follow in jail and it’s
that you have to follow in jail and it’s difficult it’s hard and some people just
difficult it’s hard and some people just
difficult it’s hard and some people just can’t do that they just can’t follow all
can’t do that they just can’t follow all
can’t do that they just can’t follow all these rules that are in this jail so
these rules that are in this jail so
these rules that are in this jail so they find themselves move to the
they find themselves move to the
they find themselves move to the high-security area to jail with in jail
high-security area to jail with in jail
high-security area to jail with in jail and they’re there with the high-security
and they’re there with the high-security
and they’re there with the high-security inmates and let’s talk about what this
inmates and let’s talk about what this
inmates and let’s talk about what this area looks like a lot of steel a lot of
area looks like a lot of steel a lot of
area looks like a lot of steel a lot of concrete the doors are called sliders
concrete the doors are called sliders
concrete the doors are called sliders that means that they’re mechanical doors
that means that they’re mechanical doors
that means that they’re mechanical doors are operated by staff who are sitting
are operated by staff who are sitting
are operated by staff who are sitting remotely behind Plexiglas there’s not a
remotely behind Plexiglas there’s not a
remotely behind Plexiglas there’s not a lot of entertainment in these areas
lot of entertainment in these areas
lot of entertainment in these areas there’s not a lot to do people are
there’s not a lot to do people are
there’s not a lot to do people are generally on lockdown up to 23 hours a
generally on lockdown up to 23 hours a
generally on lockdown up to 23 hours a day so if you want to know what that’s
day so if you want to know what that’s
day so if you want to know what that’s like when you go home today go in your
like when you go home today go in your
like when you go home today go in your bathroom shut the door first remove
bathroom shut the door first remove
bathroom shut the door first remove everything out of your bathroom shut the
everything out of your bathroom shut the
everything out of your bathroom shut the door and sit there for the next 24 hours
door and sit there for the next 24 hours
door and sit there for the next 24 hours and you’ll have an idea what that feels
and you’ll have an idea what that feels
and you’ll have an idea what that feels like
like
like maybe it’s it’s a harsh place to be it’s
maybe it’s it’s a harsh place to be it’s
maybe it’s it’s a harsh place to be it’s a harsh place to live the inmates are
a harsh place to live the inmates are
a harsh place to live the inmates are not able to interact with other inmates
not able to interact with other inmates
not able to interact with other inmates and they’re not interacting with other
and they’re not interacting with other
and they’re not interacting with other human beings there comes a point when
human beings there comes a point when
human beings there comes a point when people have all this stress on them
people have all this stress on them
people have all this stress on them they’re living in this high-security
they’re living in this high-security
they’re living in this high-security area they’re in jail and they’re dealing
area they’re in jail and they’re dealing
area they’re in jail and they’re dealing with just a predicament the emotional
with just a predicament the emotional
with just a predicament the emotional predicament of being in jail and they
predicament of being in jail and they
predicament of being in jail and they don’t have any control of their lives
don’t have any control of their lives
don’t have any control of their lives and they want to exhibit some control
and they want to exhibit some control
and they want to exhibit some control over their lives so way they do it is
over their lives so way they do it is
over their lives so way they do it is they might tell staff I’m not gonna do
they might tell staff I’m not gonna do
they might tell staff I’m not gonna do what you asked me to do the deputy may
what you asked me to do the deputy may
what you asked me to do the deputy may say I need you to lock down and usually
say I need you to lock down and usually
say I need you to lock down and usually go in your room and close the door not
go in your room and close the door not
go in your room and close the door not today I’m not gonna lock down I’m not
today I’m not gonna lock down I’m not
today I’m not gonna lock down I’m not gonna do what you say I know that I’m
gonna do what you say I know that I’m
gonna do what you say I know that I’m not gonna have a positive outcome but
not gonna have a positive outcome but
not gonna have a positive outcome but for the next few minutes I’m in control
for the next few minutes I’m in control
for the next few minutes I’m in control of my world
of my world
of my world in control of my life and they say no
in control of my life and they say no
in control of my life and they say no not today and how do we respond in law
not today and how do we respond in law
not today and how do we respond in law enforcement we respond with force we get
enforcement we respond with force we get
enforcement we respond with force we get a team together they’re dressed in black
a team together they’re dressed in black
a team together they’re dressed in black they have equipment they have helmets on
they have equipment they have helmets on
they have equipment they have helmets on they have shields and they go up the
they have shields and they go up the
they have shields and they go up the stairs our high security and our jail
stairs our high security and our jail
stairs our high security and our jail was called to north north side of the
was called to north north side of the
was called to north north side of the building second floor they take the
building second floor they take the
building second floor they take the stairs up they enter the pod they
stairs up they enter the pod they
stairs up they enter the pod they confront the end mate five deputies
confront the end mate five deputies
confront the end mate five deputies looking at the end mate they’re giving
looking at the end mate they’re giving
looking at the end mate they’re giving me a me instructions going that room and
me a me instructions going that room and
me a me instructions going that room and lockdown and they follow it up by one
lockdown and they follow it up by one
lockdown and they follow it up by one sentence they say if you don’t force
sentence they say if you don’t force
sentence they say if you don’t force will be used against you and maybe on
will be used against you and maybe on
will be used against you and maybe on this day the inmates just had enough and
this day the inmates just had enough and
this day the inmates just had enough and he says do your worst
he says do your worst
he says do your worst and you have 500 pounds of deputy
and you have 500 pounds of deputy
and you have 500 pounds of deputy slamming into this inmate pinning him to
slamming into this inmate pinning him to
slamming into this inmate pinning him to the wall paying him to the ground
the wall paying him to the ground
the wall paying him to the ground putting him in restraints taking him out
putting him in restraints taking him out
putting him in restraints taking him out to another part of the jail or maybe
to another part of the jail or maybe
to another part of the jail or maybe even putting him in a restraints here
even putting him in a restraints here
even putting him in a restraints here and I can remember after one of these
and I can remember after one of these
and I can remember after one of these situations talking to an inmate and
situations talking to an inmate and
situations talking to an inmate and booking who’d been removed extracted
booking who’d been removed extracted
booking who’d been removed extracted from this pod and he looked at me he
from this pod and he looked at me he
from this pod and he looked at me he said I my life is just over I just don’t
said I my life is just over I just don’t
said I my life is just over I just don’t my life is over I got nothing because to
my life is over I got nothing because to
my life is over I got nothing because to him
him
him all his trips to jail the the
all his trips to jail the the
all his trips to jail the the environmental conditions of living in
environmental conditions of living in
environmental conditions of living in this high-security pod and emotional
this high-security pod and emotional
this high-security pod and emotional things that he was going through by
things that he was going through by
things that he was going through by being in jail it was just too much and
being in jail it was just too much and
being in jail it was just too much and he couldn’t see a light at the end of
he couldn’t see a light at the end of
he couldn’t see a light at the end of the tunnel
our area our high-security area is
our area our high-security area is called – North as I said and we were
called – North as I said and we were
called – North as I said and we were having problems in this area and when we
having problems in this area and when we
having problems in this area and when we as we had problems and the problems look
as we had problems and the problems look
as we had problems and the problems look like
like
like disturbances inmates would flood their
disturbances inmates would flood their
disturbances inmates would flood their rooms or they’d bang on the door they
rooms or they’d bang on the door they
rooms or they’d bang on the door they refused to lock down and the problems
refused to lock down and the problems
refused to lock down and the problems were getting worse and worse and this
were getting worse and worse and this
were getting worse and worse and this was in 2012 and I was called in one day
was in 2012 and I was called in one day
was in 2012 and I was called in one day at at one day one night at two o’clock
at at one day one night at two o’clock
at at one day one night at two o’clock in the morning as a operations
in the morning as a operations
in the morning as a operations lieutenant to deal with the disturbance
lieutenant to deal with the disturbance
lieutenant to deal with the disturbance and I get to the pod and there’s two
and I get to the pod and there’s two
and I get to the pod and there’s two inches of water in the pod there are
inches of water in the pod there are
inches of water in the pod there are things that I can’t identify floating
things that I can’t identify floating
things that I can’t identify floating around in the water there are inmates
around in the water there are inmates
around in the water there are inmates yelling and screaming it
yelling and screaming it
yelling and screaming it just feels out of control and I just
just feels out of control and I just
just feels out of control and I just think to myself we just can’t live like
think to myself we just can’t live like
think to myself we just can’t live like this
this
this we just can’t continue like this because
we just can’t continue like this because
we just can’t continue like this because in the past all we did in response to
in the past all we did in response to
in the past all we did in response to this is we just were more strict we’ve
this is we just were more strict we’ve
this is we just were more strict we’ve we got bigger sticks no more time out of
we got bigger sticks no more time out of
we got bigger sticks no more time out of your room no more this no more that
your room no more this no more that
your room no more this no more that that’s how we responded to right so we
that’s how we responded to right so we
that’s how we responded to right so we just can’t do that anymore
just can’t do that anymore
just can’t do that anymore when I was asked what we’re going to do
when I was asked what we’re going to do
when I was asked what we’re going to do I remember what my father always when he
I remember what my father always when he
I remember what my father always when he said rather than why rather than curse
said rather than why rather than curse
said rather than why rather than curse the darkness light a candle so I started
the darkness light a candle so I started
the darkness light a candle so I started looking at the plot differently I went
looking at the plot differently I went
looking at the plot differently I went into the pod one of my staffs brought up
into the pod one of my staffs brought up
into the pod one of my staffs brought up to me said you know the TVs are too
to me said you know the TVs are too
to me said you know the TVs are too small there there’s 60 inch TVs and
small there there’s 60 inch TVs and
small there there’s 60 inch TVs and they’re they’re covered in plexiglass
they’re they’re covered in plexiglass
they’re they’re covered in plexiglass and they’re hard to see and they’re hard
and they’re hard to see and they’re hard
and they’re hard to see and they’re hard to see it’s something you would see in
to see it’s something you would see in
to see it’s something you would see in like a 1980s prison movie it’s just
like a 1980s prison movie it’s just
like a 1980s prison movie it’s just really in the the screen would roll it
really in the the screen would roll it
really in the the screen would roll it was ridiculous I said we’re gonna get
was ridiculous I said we’re gonna get
was ridiculous I said we’re gonna get widescreen TVs flat-screen TVs and my
widescreen TVs flat-screen TVs and my
widescreen TVs flat-screen TVs and my staff thought I lost my mind you know
staff thought I lost my mind you know
staff thought I lost my mind you know you’re you’re coddling inmates you can’t
you’re you’re coddling inmates you can’t
you’re you’re coddling inmates you can’t give them flatscreen no flat-screen TVs
give them flatscreen no flat-screen TVs
give them flatscreen no flat-screen TVs it’s in the Constitution well here’s a
it’s in the Constitution well here’s a
it’s in the Constitution well here’s a newsflash go find the 60-inch box TV
newsflash go find the 60-inch box TV
newsflash go find the 60-inch box TV okay good luck so we got flat-screen TVs
okay good luck so we got flat-screen TVs
okay good luck so we got flat-screen TVs that they could actually see we put
that they could actually see we put
that they could actually see we put those in the pods and then we got ear
those in the pods and then we got ear
those in the pods and then we got ear but and I gave him radium’s
but and I gave him radium’s
but and I gave him radium’s so that they had something to listen to
so that they had something to listen to
so that they had something to listen to they could listen to music and when they
they could listen to music and when they
they could listen to music and when they were in their rooms locked down they
were in their rooms locked down they
were in their rooms locked down they could listen to the TV on this radio
could listen to the TV on this radio
could listen to the TV on this radio they had a distraction not a big deal
they had a distraction not a big deal
they had a distraction not a big deal but it was a distraction from what their
but it was a distraction from what their
but it was a distraction from what their world was their emotional world was in
world was their emotional world was in
world was their emotional world was in their physical world was and then I
their physical world was and then I
their physical world was and then I asked my staff I said I want you to
asked my staff I said I want you to
asked my staff I said I want you to start having conversations with the
start having conversations with the
start having conversations with the inmates and this is what a conversation
inmates and this is what a conversation
inmates and this is what a conversation looks like at the end of your shift I
looks like at the end of your shift I
looks like at the end of your shift I want you to give each of these inmates a
want you to give each of these inmates a
want you to give each of these inmates a report card I want you to tell them you
report card I want you to tell them you
report card I want you to tell them you had a good day and why because we don’t
had a good day and why because we don’t
had a good day and why because we don’t tell people they had a good day in jail
tell people they had a good day in jail
tell people they had a good day in jail we never go up say you had a great day
we never go up say you had a great day
we never go up say you had a great day in jail
in jail
in jail but I want you to tell him they had a
but I want you to tell him they had a
but I want you to tell him they had a good day and this is why or if they had
good day and this is why or if they had
good day and this is why or if they had a bad day I want you to tell them to
a bad day I want you to tell them to
a bad day I want you to tell them to their face you had a bad day in jail and
their face you had a bad day in jail and
their face you had a bad day in jail and this is why you had a bad day because in
this is why you had a bad day because in
this is why you had a bad day because in the past what we did when they asked how
the past what we did when they asked how
the past what we did when they asked how to get out of their predicament how to
to get out of their predicament how to
to get out of their predicament how to change their stairs how to get out of
change their stairs how to get out of
change their stairs how to get out of the area as we did this song and dance
the area as we did this song and dance
the area as we did this song and dance in front of their door we said we’re
in front of their door we said we’re
in front of their door we said we’re gonna write down some information on
gonna write down some information on
gonna write down some information on your behavior and we’re gonna pass this
your behavior and we’re gonna pass this
your behavior and we’re gonna pass this on to the classification board and
on to the classification board and
on to the classification board and they’re gonna look at it and they’re
they’re gonna look at it and they’re
they’re gonna look at it and they’re gonna run it through some matrix and
gonna run it through some matrix and
gonna run it through some matrix and they’re gonna make a decision then we
they’re gonna make a decision then we
they’re gonna make a decision then we weren’t telling them anything we were
weren’t telling them anything we were
weren’t telling them anything we were just doing this stupid song and dance in
just doing this stupid song and dance in
just doing this stupid song and dance in front of their doors and they were
front of their doors and they were
front of their doors and they were frustrated and they should have been
frustrated and they should have been
frustrated and they should have been frustrated but now they knew if they had
frustrated but now they knew if they had
frustrated but now they knew if they had three bad days or more there says wasn’t
three bad days or more there says wasn’t
three bad days or more there says wasn’t gonna change everyone knew that they
gonna change everyone knew that they
gonna change everyone knew that they knew that we knew that everyone you did
knew that we knew that everyone you did
knew that we knew that everyone you did they had lesson that their status was
they had lesson that their status was
they had lesson that their status was gonna change it was transparent we had a
gonna change it was transparent we had a
gonna change it was transparent we had a rule that said only two inmates could be
rule that said only two inmates could be
rule that said only two inmates could be out at one time and this was in response
out at one time and this was in response
out at one time and this was in response to a riot that occurred a decade before
to a riot that occurred a decade before
to a riot that occurred a decade before it was a security measure to limit the
it was a security measure to limit the
it was a security measure to limit the amount of people that were out but the
amount of people that were out but the
amount of people that were out but the problem was with only two people out at
problem was with only two people out at
problem was with only two people out at a time even if your status has changed
a time even if your status has changed
a time even if your status has changed and you had more privileges you couldn’t
and you had more privileges you couldn’t
and you had more privileges you couldn’t exercise your privileges because we you
exercise your privileges because we you
exercise your privileges because we you could only let two people I don’t want
could only let two people I don’t want
could only let two people I don’t want so I said we’re going to have four
so I said we’re going to have four
so I said we’re going to have four people out again and what have my staff
people out again and what have my staff
people out again and what have my staff said you can’t do this you’re coddling
said you can’t do this you’re coddling
said you can’t do this you’re coddling inmates this is this is wrong you can’t
inmates this is this is wrong you can’t
inmates this is this is wrong you can’t do this we’re gonna have a security
do this we’re gonna have a security
do this we’re gonna have a security incident were gonna have a disturbance
incident were gonna have a disturbance
incident were gonna have a disturbance we’re gonna have a riot
we’re gonna have a riot
we’re gonna have a riot what we had was better behavior because
what we had was better behavior because
what we had was better behavior because as corny as it sounds people really do
as corny as it sounds people really do
as corny as it sounds people really do need people they need to be around other
need people they need to be around other
need people they need to be around other people they need to talk to other people
people they need to talk to other people
people they need to talk to other people they need to interact with other people
they need to interact with other people
they need to interact with other people you can’t live in a box you can’t live
you can’t live in a box you can’t live
you can’t live in a box you can’t live in a box so in a year’s time we went
in a box so in a year’s time we went
in a box so in a year’s time we went from running up and down those stairs
from running up and down those stairs
from running up and down those stairs with a response team 15 times to the
with a response team 15 times to the
with a response team 15 times to the following year and five times
following year and five times
following year and five times we went from spending $50,000 a year in
we went from spending $50,000 a year in
we went from spending $50,000 a year in in money for response teams and
in money for response teams and
in money for response teams and equipments and bigger steps and workers
equipments and bigger steps and workers
equipments and bigger steps and workers compensation injuries than in damage to
compensation injuries than in damage to
compensation injuries than in damage to spending $5,000 a year did we change the
spending $5,000 a year did we change the
spending $5,000 a year did we change the way we manage inmates yeah we did I
way we manage inmates yeah we did I
way we manage inmates yeah we did I think we really did change the way that
think we really did change the way that
think we really did change the way that we manage inmates it did we change the
we manage inmates it did we change the
we manage inmates it did we change the inmates behavior well certainly in the
inmates behavior well certainly in the
inmates behavior well certainly in the short term we did change the inmates
short term we did change the inmates
short term we did change the inmates behavior because we got better behavior
behavior because we got better behavior
behavior because we got better behavior people had previously been in this area
people had previously been in this area
people had previously been in this area for 60 and 70 80 and a hundred days were
for 60 and 70 80 and a hundred days were
for 60 and 70 80 and a hundred days were out in 20 days or 25 days since those
out in 20 days or 25 days since those
out in 20 days or 25 days since those long periods of time but the most
long periods of time but the most
long periods of time but the most important takeaway for us at least for
important takeaway for us at least for
important takeaway for us at least for me was the change was in us we changed
me was the change was in us we changed
me was the change was in us we changed the way that we dealt with other human
the way that we dealt with other human
the way that we dealt with other human beings we changed the way that we
beings we changed the way that we
beings we changed the way that we interacted with other human beings we
interacted with other human beings we
interacted with other human beings we did something that was not an industry
did something that was not an industry
did something that was not an industry standard we went the other direction 180
standard we went the other direction 180
standard we went the other direction 180 degrees and these little change in this
degrees and these little change in this
degrees and these little change in this communication with these other human
communication with these other human
communication with these other human beings we were able to see huge effects
beings we were able to see huge effects
beings we were able to see huge effects in this area deputies who normally
in this area deputies who normally
in this area deputies who normally didn’t want to work in this area all of
didn’t want to work in this area all of
didn’t want to work in this area all of a sudden they wanted to work in this
a sudden they wanted to work in this
a sudden they wanted to work in this area it became a choice area to work in
area it became a choice area to work in
area it became a choice area to work in thank you
thank you
thank you [Applause]
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