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nearby fewer than 10 miles from here

nearby fewer than 10 miles from here actually is a neighborhood called

actually is a neighborhood called

actually is a neighborhood called Washington Township growing up I spent

Washington Township growing up I spent

Washington Township growing up I spent many hot summer Sunday’s there splashing

many hot summer Sunday’s there splashing

many hot summer Sunday’s there splashing around an aboveground swimming pool in

around an aboveground swimming pool in

around an aboveground swimming pool in my grandparents backyard my brother and

my grandparents backyard my brother and

my grandparents backyard my brother and cousins and I would race and swim and

cousins and I would race and swim and

cousins and I would race and swim and Marco Polo until exhausted we’d flop

Marco Polo until exhausted we’d flop

Marco Polo until exhausted we’d flop onto the deck soggy and stinking of

onto the deck soggy and stinking of

onto the deck soggy and stinking of clorium to dry off and we’d play this

clorium to dry off and we’d play this

clorium to dry off and we’d play this game

game

game maybe you’ve played this game we’d close

maybe you’ve played this game we’d close

maybe you’ve played this game we’d close our eyes tilt our faces up toward the

our eyes tilt our faces up toward the

our eyes tilt our faces up toward the Sun and watch the shapes that passed

Sun and watch the shapes that passed

Sun and watch the shapes that passed beneath our eyelids calling them out to

beneath our eyelids calling them out to

beneath our eyelids calling them out to one another I see a red triangle or

one another I see a red triangle or

one another I see a red triangle or maybe it’s blue no I see a squiggle

maybe it’s blue no I see a squiggle

maybe it’s blue no I see a squiggle mine’s a red squiggle do you see it and

mine’s a red squiggle do you see it and

mine’s a red squiggle do you see it and while we played this game I often found

while we played this game I often found

while we played this game I often found myself wondering were we seeing the

myself wondering were we seeing the

myself wondering were we seeing the exact same things and just describing

exact same things and just describing

exact same things and just describing them differently or were we seeing

them differently or were we seeing

them differently or were we seeing entirely different things but of course

entirely different things but of course

entirely different things but of course there was no way to know right our eyes

there was no way to know right our eyes

there was no way to know right our eyes were closed well years later I was an

were closed well years later I was an

were closed well years later I was an undergraduate in the 90s so picture

undergraduate in the 90s so picture

undergraduate in the 90s so picture oversize flannel shirts and ripped jeans

oversize flannel shirts and ripped jeans

oversize flannel shirts and ripped jeans but the homemade kind shorn by hand and

but the homemade kind shorn by hand and

but the homemade kind shorn by hand and shredded in the dryer oh and black steel

shredded in the dryer oh and black steel

shredded in the dryer oh and black steel toe boots to get me safely through

toe boots to get me safely through

toe boots to get me safely through anything a liberal arts college

anything a liberal arts college

anything a liberal arts college education might throw my way I studied

education might throw my way I studied

education might throw my way I studied history and film and creative writing

history and film and creative writing

history and film and creative writing and for my senior thesis I chose a topic

and for my senior thesis I chose a topic

and for my senior thesis I chose a topic that allowed me to further explore those

that allowed me to further explore those

that allowed me to further explore those interests I decided to write about the

interests I decided to write about the

interests I decided to write about the daily life and cultural influences of

daily life and cultural influences of

daily life and cultural influences of the 1930s as you may know those were

the 1930s as you may know those were

the 1930s as you may know those were very difficult times studied a lot of

very difficult times studied a lot of

very difficult times studied a lot of the history I read endless books which

the history I read endless books which

the history I read endless books which involved battling the Dewey Decimal

involved battling the Dewey Decimal

involved battling the Dewey Decimal System bravely not always successfully

System bravely not always successfully

System bravely not always successfully and I watched the films which were just

and I watched the films which were just

and I watched the films which were just brilliant

brilliant

brilliant but I also wanted some first-person

but I also wanted some first-person

but I also wanted some first-person narrative so I reached out and I met

narrative so I reached out and I met

narrative so I reached out and I met with men and women who had grown up

with men and women who had grown up

with men and women who had grown up during that time period I wanted to hear

during that time period I wanted to hear

during that time period I wanted to hear from them what life was like and I

from them what life was like and I

from them what life was like and I thought I had a pretty good idea of what

thought I had a pretty good idea of what

thought I had a pretty good idea of what we would discuss buta Margaret Edward

we would discuss buta Margaret Edward

we would discuss buta Margaret Edward Henry these men and women

Henry these men and women

Henry these men and women welcomes me into their homes and their

welcomes me into their homes and their

welcomes me into their homes and their businesses and their memories they

businesses and their memories they

businesses and their memories they talked about the day-to-day challenges

talked about the day-to-day challenges

talked about the day-to-day challenges of not having enough food to eat

of not having enough food to eat

of not having enough food to eat not having medication when ill Margaret

not having medication when ill Margaret

not having medication when ill Margaret told me about watching her mother

told me about watching her mother

told me about watching her mother unravel old sweaters to reuse the yarn

unravel old sweaters to reuse the yarn

unravel old sweaters to reuse the yarn because they didn’t have enough money

because they didn’t have enough money

because they didn’t have enough money for new clothing to stay warm and utta

for new clothing to stay warm and utta

for new clothing to stay warm and utta who lived in a rural area she told me

who lived in a rural area she told me

who lived in a rural area she told me about a doll and what her mother had to

about a doll and what her mother had to

about a doll and what her mother had to trade for that single but cherished

trade for that single but cherished

trade for that single but cherished treasure and she told me about a

treasure and she told me about a

treasure and she told me about a neighbor and good friend of hers whose

neighbor and good friend of hers whose

neighbor and good friend of hers whose father had lost his job and how one day

father had lost his job and how one day

father had lost his job and how one day she woke up and they were gone and

she woke up and they were gone and

she woke up and they were gone and nobody could tell her where they went

nobody could tell her where they went

nobody could tell her where they went there were secrets there were words

there were secrets there were words

there were secrets there were words unspoken and many of them talked about

unspoken and many of them talked about

unspoken and many of them talked about it a deep dark fear on the faces of

it a deep dark fear on the faces of

it a deep dark fear on the faces of their parents but there was also hope

their parents but there was also hope

their parents but there was also hope one man in particular Henry he was a

one man in particular Henry he was a

one man in particular Henry he was a good-looking man even in his older years

good-looking man even in his older years

good-looking man even in his older years he was tall and strong I met him in a

he was tall and strong I met him in a

he was tall and strong I met him in a nursing home it was a nursing home that

nursing home it was a nursing home that

nursing home it was a nursing home that defied nursing home stereotypes it was

defied nursing home stereotypes it was

defied nursing home stereotypes it was brightly lit well-appointed decorated in

brightly lit well-appointed decorated in

brightly lit well-appointed decorated in red and green nothing hung in the air no

red and green nothing hung in the air no

red and green nothing hung in the air no scent no heaviness of history and years

scent no heaviness of history and years

scent no heaviness of history and years gone by I remember thinking this is the

gone by I remember thinking this is the

gone by I remember thinking this is the way to do old he greeted me gallantly

way to do old he greeted me gallantly

way to do old he greeted me gallantly and we sat near tall windows with a

and we sat near tall windows with a

and we sat near tall windows with a table between us I had a tape recorder

table between us I had a tape recorder

table between us I had a tape recorder and jazz music from the late 20s and

and jazz music from the late 20s and

and jazz music from the late 20s and early 30s actually piped through the

early 30s actually piped through the

early 30s actually piped through the background I remember the way his eyes

background I remember the way his eyes

background I remember the way his eyes lit up when he

lit up when he

lit up when he talk to me about the hope that got him

talk to me about the hope that got him

talk to me about the hope that got him through the difficult days he talked

through the difficult days he talked

through the difficult days he talked about his love of film and comedy and

about his love of film and comedy and

about his love of film and comedy and romance it’s basically the same in every

romance it’s basically the same in every

romance it’s basically the same in every generation he said and he talked to me

generation he said and he talked to me

generation he said and he talked to me about a youth group that captured his

about a youth group that captured his

about a youth group that captured his imagination in this youth group everyone

imagination in this youth group everyone

imagination in this youth group everyone had uniforms so no one had more or less

had uniforms so no one had more or less

had uniforms so no one had more or less visibly and there was sport and there

visibly and there was sport and there

visibly and there was sport and there was friendship and there was something

was friendship and there was something

was friendship and there was something to believe in something to aspire to see

to believe in something to aspire to see

to believe in something to aspire to see these boys were told that they already

these boys were told that they already

these boys were told that they already had within them everything they needed

had within them everything they needed

had within them everything they needed to be great the best the best of the

to be great the best the best of the

to be great the best the best of the best they were the elite leaders sure

best they were the elite leaders sure

best they were the elite leaders sure Henry said he knew he was being told a

Henry said he knew he was being told a

Henry said he knew he was being told a bit of a story but it was a story he

bit of a story but it was a story he

bit of a story but it was a story he wanted to hear when he spoke I could

wanted to hear when he spoke I could

wanted to hear when he spoke I could almost forget that the backdrop was

almost forget that the backdrop was

almost forget that the backdrop was Germany in 1938 and that his youth group

Germany in 1938 and that his youth group

Germany in 1938 and that his youth group was called the Hitler Eugen and he could

was called the Hitler Eugen and he could

was called the Hitler Eugen and he could almost forget that I was the young

almost forget that I was the young

almost forget that I was the young Jewish college student he’d agreed to

Jewish college student he’d agreed to

Jewish college student he’d agreed to speak with almost but not quite

any regrets I said to him before leaving

any regrets I said to him before leaving you seemed like a very nice young lady

you seemed like a very nice young lady

you seemed like a very nice young lady he said to me but I tell you had the war

he said to me but I tell you had the war

he said to me but I tell you had the war gone the other way I would have been one

gone the other way I would have been one

gone the other way I would have been one of the worst ones my thesis was about

of the worst ones my thesis was about

of the worst ones my thesis was about German daily life and cultural

German daily life and cultural

German daily life and cultural influences before and during World War

influences before and during World War

influences before and during World War two

the German American consulate had been

the German American consulate had been kind enough to help me meet with German

kind enough to help me meet with German

kind enough to help me meet with German American immigrants who welcome the

American immigrants who welcome the

American immigrants who welcome the opportunity to be heard these

opportunity to be heard these

opportunity to be heard these conversations they they didn’t make me

conversations they they didn’t make me

conversations they they didn’t make me an activist nor an atheist maybe an

an activist nor an atheist maybe an

an activist nor an atheist maybe an empathy though that’s not a word I

empathy though that’s not a word I

empathy though that’s not a word I learned a tremendous amount about the

learned a tremendous amount about the

learned a tremendous amount about the human experience and human nature that

human experience and human nature that

human experience and human nature that year as well as something fundamental

year as well as something fundamental

year as well as something fundamental yet jarring that has changed the way

yet jarring that has changed the way

yet jarring that has changed the way that I try to communicate and help

that I try to communicate and help

that I try to communicate and help others communicate ever since we do not

others communicate ever since we do not

others communicate ever since we do not always see the same thing what I see

always see the same thing what I see

always see the same thing what I see with my eyes closed may not be what you

with my eyes closed may not be what you

with my eyes closed may not be what you see in fact I’m quite convinced that

see in fact I’m quite convinced that

see in fact I’m quite convinced that what I see with my eyes open is not what

what I see with my eyes open is not what

what I see with my eyes open is not what you see either whether red squiggle or a

you see either whether red squiggle or a

you see either whether red squiggle or a contentious board or a difficult teacher

contentious board or a difficult teacher

contentious board or a difficult teacher or global unrest or the earliest bedtime

or global unrest or the earliest bedtime

or global unrest or the earliest bedtime of all my friend’s mom and until you can

of all my friend’s mom and until you can

of all my friend’s mom and until you can see what your opponent in conversation

see what your opponent in conversation

see what your opponent in conversation sees you will not you cannot really be

sees you will not you cannot really be

sees you will not you cannot really be heard now to be clear there’s no

heard now to be clear there’s no

heard now to be clear there’s no excusing evil you don’t need to agree

excusing evil you don’t need to agree

excusing evil you don’t need to agree with your opponent in conversation I

with your opponent in conversation I

with your opponent in conversation I hope that none of you ever sits before

hope that none of you ever sits before

hope that none of you ever sits before someone who isn’t sure you should have

someone who isn’t sure you should have

someone who isn’t sure you should have been born but what I do hope for you is

been born but what I do hope for you is

been born but what I do hope for you is the ability to better communicate

the ability to better communicate

the ability to better communicate through conflict by mastering four

through conflict by mastering four

through conflict by mastering four practices and communications listen

practices and communications listen

practices and communications listen learn reflect connect listening that

learn reflect connect listening that

learn reflect connect listening that sounds obvious right but four

sounds obvious right but four

sounds obvious right but four communicators that’s tough but also if

communicators that’s tough but also if

communicators that’s tough but also if you’ve got something to say listening

you’ve got something to say listening

you’ve got something to say listening can be hard but you’ve got to listen and

can be hard but you’ve got to listen and

can be hard but you’ve got to listen and then learn can you see what they see

then learn can you see what they see

then learn can you see what they see can you feel it reflect check in with

can you feel it reflect check in with

can you feel it reflect check in with them did you get that right and then

them did you get that right and then

them did you get that right and then connect now share what it is that you

connect now share what it is that you

connect now share what it is that you see what it is that you want to say and

see what it is that you want to say and

see what it is that you want to say and I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised

I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised

I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised by how willing another human being is to

by how willing another human being is to

by how willing another human being is to walk with you down that now converging

walk with you down that now converging

walk with you down that now converging path let’s talk through three quick

path let’s talk through three quick

path let’s talk through three quick relatable examples

relatable examples

relatable examples say you’re on the phone with Verizon

say you’re on the phone with Verizon

say you’re on the phone with Verizon you’re on hold again relatable okay when

you’re on hold again relatable okay when

you’re on hold again relatable okay when eventually you hear hello missus well

eventually you hear hello missus well

eventually you hear hello missus well felt how are you today well I say I’m

felt how are you today well I say I’m

felt how are you today well I say I’m actually a little bit frustrated this is

actually a little bit frustrated this is

actually a little bit frustrated this is my third time calling about the same

my third time calling about the same

my third time calling about the same issue

issue

issue okay now this could go two ways the

okay now this could go two ways the

okay now this could go two ways the customer service rep could say okay

customer service rep could say okay

customer service rep could say okay ma’am what’s your order number now first

ma’am what’s your order number now first

ma’am what’s your order number now first of all she called me ma’am but second

of all she called me ma’am but second

of all she called me ma’am but second it’s Groundhog Day right or she could

it’s Groundhog Day right or she could

it’s Groundhog Day right or she could say I am so sorry to hear that you’re

say I am so sorry to hear that you’re

say I am so sorry to hear that you’re having a frustrating experience and that

having a frustrating experience and that

having a frustrating experience and that this isn’t the first time you’ve tried

this isn’t the first time you’ve tried

this isn’t the first time you’ve tried to resolve it can I have your order

to resolve it can I have your order

to resolve it can I have your order number so that we can get this figured

number so that we can get this figured

number so that we can get this figured out for you she hears me she feels me

out for you she hears me she feels me

out for you she hears me she feels me and not only that she goes on to rather

and not only that she goes on to rather

and not only that she goes on to rather quickly resolve the issue I believe

quickly resolve the issue I believe

quickly resolve the issue I believe largely because she set the stage and

largely because she set the stage and

largely because she set the stage and were able to now communicate calmly

were able to now communicate calmly

were able to now communicate calmly together she does so well that I asked

together she does so well that I asked

together she does so well that I asked to speak with her supervisor after

to speak with her supervisor after

to speak with her supervisor after because I believe she should be

because I believe she should be

because I believe she should be recognized front line customer services

recognized front line customer services

recognized front line customer services front line corporate reputation after

front line corporate reputation after

front line corporate reputation after all but she listened she learned she

all but she listened she learned she

all but she listened she learned she reflected so that we could connect let’s

reflected so that we could connect let’s

reflected so that we could connect let’s do another example we’ll bring this one

do another example we’ll bring this one

do another example we’ll bring this one home say you and your significant other

home say you and your significant other

home say you and your significant other you share a bedroom and your partner

you share a bedroom and your partner

you share a bedroom and your partner wants a very expensive bedspread

wants a very expensive bedspread

wants a very expensive bedspread comforter but you you manage the

comforter but you you manage the

comforter but you you manage the household budget and you are sure this

household budget and you are sure this

household budget and you are sure this one is out of reach financially this

one is out of reach financially this

one is out of reach financially this could go two ways you could argue over

could go two ways you could argue over

could go two ways you could argue over how expensive the bedspread is why one

how expensive the bedspread is why one

how expensive the bedspread is why one of you needs to earn more money who’s

of you needs to earn more money who’s

of you needs to earn more money who’s not earning enough what’s wrong with

not earning enough what’s wrong with

not earning enough what’s wrong with your white down comforter these aren’t

your white down comforter these aren’t

your white down comforter these aren’t firstworldproblems if you haven’t

firstworldproblems if you haven’t

firstworldproblems if you haven’t noticed or you could stop and listen and

noticed or you could stop and listen and

noticed or you could stop and listen and try to learn what’s behind this interest

try to learn what’s behind this interest

try to learn what’s behind this interest let’s say in this example you discover

let’s say in this example you discover

let’s say in this example you discover that your partner who’s very stressed

that your partner who’s very stressed

that your partner who’s very stressed and so are you by the way because life

and so are you by the way because life

and so are you by the way because life is stressful is looking to create a

is stressful is looking to create a

is stressful is looking to create a spa-like decor in the bedroom to instill

spa-like decor in the bedroom to instill

spa-like decor in the bedroom to instill a sense of Zen a stress-free zone well

a sense of Zen a stress-free zone well

a sense of Zen a stress-free zone well that you can kind of understand so maybe

that you can kind of understand so maybe

that you can kind of understand so maybe instead you say

instead you say

instead you say okay you want our bedroom to be a refuge

okay you want our bedroom to be a refuge

okay you want our bedroom to be a refuge a respite from the day-to-day stress I

a respite from the day-to-day stress I

a respite from the day-to-day stress I get that that actually sounds great but

get that that actually sounds great but

get that that actually sounds great but for me sleeping under a comforter that I

for me sleeping under a comforter that I

for me sleeping under a comforter that I think is out of reach for us financially

think is out of reach for us financially

think is out of reach for us financially that brings stress into that bedroom

that brings stress into that bedroom

that brings stress into that bedroom into that bed that we share can we

into that bed that we share can we

into that bed that we share can we figure this out together so remember

figure this out together so remember

figure this out together so remember this process it doesn’t eliminate the

this process it doesn’t eliminate the

this process it doesn’t eliminate the conflict it just allows you to better

conflict it just allows you to better

conflict it just allows you to better communicate together through it one more

communicate together through it one more

communicate together through it one more example your teenage son Magan he’s

example your teenage son Magan he’s

example your teenage son Magan he’s convinced that all of his friends have a

convinced that all of his friends have a

convinced that all of his friends have a bed time two hours later than he does

bed time two hours later than he does

bed time two hours later than he does this conversation can go only one way

this conversation can go only one way

this conversation can go only one way too bad I’m your mother see not every

too bad I’m your mother see not every

too bad I’m your mother see not every conversation requires mutual

conversation requires mutual

conversation requires mutual understanding which brings me back to

understanding which brings me back to

understanding which brings me back to Henry ours was not one of those

Henry ours was not one of those

Henry ours was not one of those conversations that requires mutual

conversations that requires mutual

conversations that requires mutual understanding I was there to listen and

understanding I was there to listen and

understanding I was there to listen and to learn and to reflect but I don’t want

to learn and to reflect but I don’t want

to learn and to reflect but I don’t want you to think I didn’t respond to Henry

you to think I didn’t respond to Henry

you to think I didn’t respond to Henry and to those who told him a story that

and to those who told him a story that

and to those who told him a story that wipes nearly an entire side of my family

wipes nearly an entire side of my family

wipes nearly an entire side of my family off the face of the earth I responded to

off the face of the earth I responded to

off the face of the earth I responded to Henry and I try to respond to him every

Henry and I try to respond to him every

Henry and I try to respond to him every day in every way that I live and love

day in every way that I live and love

day in every way that I live and love and learn and listen thank you

and learn and listen thank you

and learn and listen thank you [Applause]

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