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Cómo Combatir la Corrupción | Daniel Cubría | TEDxMoreliaSalon


this time it sounds good really good

there are usually many people who

when they arrive this scenario are

well known to the public

then they have no need to

presentation but I think it would require

I rather do the opposite

I would need to present myself with you

little so you understand why I’m

in front of you my name is daniel

I covered I am an activist political scientist

during 2012

I gave a leap of confidence in a jump

towards basically public life to

through activism and I learned

A lot of things

during that course not then

particularly the thing that I learned

more is that I have a huge passion for

politics and it’s very important now

I would like to emphasize that when

I talk about politics I ‘m not saying that

I’m president, I’m not saying that

want to be municipal president I’m not

saying he wants to be a deputy

saying that politics as a one

tool that we citizens have

that we have the people to solve

everyday problems

that’s what I ‘m really passionate about and

that what I would like to convey to you

today to you

basically what counts in this

process in which I in activism is

that a process is necessary a leap to

empty a leap to emptiness in the sense

in which you have to start trusting

in the other people to start

achieve things to start achieving

changes and that if you do not ‘jump to the

empty ‘you’re basically staying

in the nullity you are staying in the

reluctance you are staying in

basically in the place where

we are not to begin to change

we have to start trusting if

no no i am i am not very photogenic

then either to pass expected me

these people would like first to start

with a brief social experiment

I would like everyone to please close the

eyes to everyone

please if in the eyes I can not see

a lot with this light but I’m going to try

see it now since it has all eyes

Closed

do the favor of raising your hand to

those who believe in

staff in your individual area are

able to respect the law

the law does not have to say anything do not open

eyes for favors this exercise is

important not to open the eyes of

Agree please get off at

the hand does not open the eyes yet and

now I want to raise their hand

people who believe that the person

side is able to respect the law

please do not open your eyes in agreement

now you can lower your hand again and

good

I would like to start then by showing you

costing them first a graph is a

graphic that basically summarizes the

history of the perception index of

corruption that we have in Mexico the

yellow line represents the

rating that we have in the index

of perception of corruption while

that the orange line is the line that

represents the ranking ie the place

that Mexico has regarding the

other countries

in terms of level of corruption if

they realize the yellow line is a

line that does not follow the line there all

yellow is a line that remains

relatively static many many

difference according to the time while

that the orange line is a line that

will grow proportionally

as time passes one would believe that

this is a good thing but it is everything

contrary in fact the fact that the

orange line grow means that

mexico every time has a worse place a

positioning regarding the combat to

corruption and that is explained

basically because we have not changed in

qualification at the same time as others

countries and have made progress as soon as

to the subject

now the subject does not stay any more in

the statistics because the

statistics tend to be very cold

no attempt has been made to summarize the reality

as for the number and many times that

number does not necessarily tell us

what it does tell us are the acts of

corruption that we see every day in

the television that we see them in the

newspaper that we see them and swarm by

all sides and that however for not

we see that it really demands that these

these scandals generate a change

meaningful of what kind of

scandals I’m talking to you

I’m sure if you see in this picture

you know what I mean the famous

white house that this image has

become an iconic image all

world knows perfectly what

represents this room the relationship that

has the president with a contractor

of the state of mexico and the way in

what this photo and other other photos and a

particular reportage meant in

Regarding the loss of confidence that

we had the executive then also

there are other cases not only stays in

the white house talking about the

disappearance of 43 normal teachers who

could again summarize the story

but everyone knows what’s going

it meant a major crisis to

from the second year of this sexennium

from which many but many think

that simply the current government does not

will recover

we also have other cases of

cynical governors and governors who

they do not have any kind of

fill many who are fugitives

rather particularly one that is

fugitive and that is an evil that is

reproducing in across the country

we all know that the problem of

public debt is extremely strong

particularly at the state level and nobody

he knows how to stop this and

finally I’m going to put one last

image that I think is very symptomatic

what are the consequences of the

so we stop corruption but not before

what can happen if suddenly

this one let corruption

pullen or that is just the gasolinazo

the gasolinazo although it was a consequence

of the energy reform is implied and

reflects a lot of bad

decisions that were taken years

before this came and how this

directly impact on the pocket of

the Mexicans and a lot of people were left

extremely angry and it was extremely

frustrated by the now the big question

behind all this is because if

we have such clear problems of

corruption because we have scandals and

we are so so

we see her so alive in our life

public because we have not been able to

stop that is basically a

question that we asked ourselves in the

organization where I am working

currently called option a is a

organization that has as purpose

fight corruption and include

people within the combat to the

corruption through the

citizen participation and the question

is why we have not been able to

curb corruption

we come to an answer that is

simple but not by simple means that

lack of forcefulness and is that the

people do not believe that corruption affects

because we believe that the one that the

corruption is foreign to us

what do I mean by this we divide the

corruption in two types is not

running this is we divide the

corruption in two types

On the one hand, there is the corruption of

them that can be represented to

through this cartoon and then

we also have another kind of

corruption than the corruption of

Now I’m going to explain a

little here I want to go with this the

corruption of them is this corruption

carried out by the economic elites and

policies to seize power and

stay in power through

illegal acts

On the other hand we also have the

corruption of us that are the

actions that we make in our

act everyday and they clearly are

illegal acts but rather the

we understand how the way in which

we interact with the government and many

Sometimes they go through making excuses like

cunning we believe we want cunning by

be corrupt because we believe that we are

turning the law

we think it’s a kind of revenge

social towards people making them the

great abusers of political power and

many times we end up justifying

this corruption

now the sum of these two corruption

is the corruption of them and the

corruption of us

ends by giving a byproduct a product

national that represents a lot in the

way in which these two corruptions

they live that is just corruption

of all

this is a very good example of the

corruption of all because it is

basically where they mix the

corruption of them corruption

we go

a result that clearly is

undesirable not electoral democracy

that we are every time we think more

like this act in which some buy

votes

others sell their vote and in the end

we ended up having a cochinero who

nobody wants to have is basically like

a kind of that is the synthesis

that is generated behind from behind

these two dynamics and that clearly

for none of us is undesirable

now there are three consequences behind

are these three types of corruption

the first consequence is our idea

of the public

if our idea of corruption is

fragmented also the public is

fragmented this means what means

what belongs to everyone

those that ideally should be

a space for participation

it really is a space from which we

we fold and we stay in our

individual field

this is very important because then

happens in scandals happening arts and

there is no one out there who is there

to stop it the following consequence

is distrust again the

distrust can also be given

at different levels

distrust of the government 19 by

hundred of Mexicans with barely

trust the government the rest

they simply do not trust the government

81 percent towards the towards the rule

we did a survey we did a

survey in which it turned out that 42 by

hundred of Mexicans associate the law

with something bad while 21 percent

he does it with something good this means

that people do not consider the law to be

a kind of neutral ground in the

which we can base our

trust and start acting in a

public environment and finally the third

and the last link is the distrust

towards the other through the survey

that we did respect that 92 percent

of Mexicans trusts his family and

if we compare this percentage of

trust that we have in the family

towards other types of social actors and

be our neighbors our teachers

government institutions

confidence percentage that we have toward

they are extremely old

This implies that

in general the Mexican is a person

that tends to distrust that tends not to

want to take this leap into the void that I

I was speaking to you at the beginning of this

talk now I’m going to give you a little

been very cynical until now

is not telling you like things like that

they are not giving much hope but

I can tell the gray hair sorry

sorry

still missing a third consequence

what is the politics of the self

the politics of cynicism refers to

this act well if the policy is the

art of making collective decisions

then the politics of the self that

excess transferred to the part in which

the political and economic elites that

they are dedicated to profit with this space that

is everyone use that power that

they have nothing else to watch over their

own interests and then ends up happening

what we have now again does not have

that being like that does not have to be like that

This is more or less what he did

I would like to tell you exactly if

there are these kinds of effects is because

there are people who have not yet given the

quantum leap begin to change this

actually I can tell you several

examples of how we can start

to reverse this type of process the

first of them is Guatemala in 2015

many of you will surely be

aware started a process of

dismissal towards the president of

then otto pérez molina for thanks

that civil society pushed that

there was an international commission

that will watch for justice and that there

that punish the corrupt and in the end

Otto Pérez Molina Fuere was punished at

román ya román is a case in which

in 2013 2014 a series of a several

groups of activists managed to prevent

a protected natural area outside

invaded by a corporation

who wanted to exploit the area to

establish a mining these people

they did now they did all the

desmadre yy manage to stop the finally

we also have Indonesian cases in the

which

the kpk that is like commission

anti-corruption of indonesia

he began to change his attitudes

he began to change his actions and started

to fight corruption through

put the political actors more

corrupt from indonesia to prison and to

final

well rather at the beginning and at the end

the reason why he started doing

this is precisely because it started

see people the kpk started to have

prestige began to depend

completely what I told people

to the point that people went out to

defend it

So what do these have in common?

three acts

basically there here’s

organization and collective action

there is a group of people there is a group of

in this case it is represented by fish there

there are many times that work with each other

there are many times that it is organized in

some way and they manage to find the

way to reverse the matter now not

I’m telling you absolutely nothing

new agreement I’m not finding the

black thread I’m not saying that I

I’m selling the solution to the

problems I’m not saying that it’s

I have the magic formula to achieve

this what I can tell you is that

mexico has had systematically

since many years organized ways

to be able to respond to acts of

corruption and that’s pretty much at

I invite you to do

he has to get involved in politics

you have to go out and participate

because the policy is yours

what kind of acts do I refer to

we have seen a lot particularly the

last years

I’m talking about demonstrations of

entrepreneurs usually businessmen

no they are not seen as these entities so

participatory at least on the way

however public last year

we had a very demonstration

important on the part of entrepreneurs from

the coparmex to demand a penal system

effective and effective anti-corruption

could fight corruption

we also had in recent years

a very important effort on the part of

civil organizations to push a

law

three of three so he could justly

find effective ways to order

that politicians are held accountable

we also had citizen candidacies

we had citizen candidacies

people who were never in

political parties and they achieved

organize though

a small community a process of

reversal of the problem of

corruption and finally this I think that

it’s something that I would also like

tell them not all the actions or not

it is necessary to enter directly the

policy to make it so that it can be

make a political change too

there is another kind of activism and activism

social is to those people who go out and

they want to help other people there

people who build houses for others

people

if they do that yes indeed is what they

like if you like to reforest if you

like not to stay if they like to attend

people in nursing homes and like another type

of activism that also adds up what

I want to tell you is the space there is the

space that is outside is space

public and it’s a space that you

has to start to appropriate and measure

in which we appropriate ourselves more

of public space so then they

I can assure you that they will start

reverse things now at the beginning of

this one of this talk I ask you to

you who of you believe that in

the personal can tend to have the

ability to respect the law and on the other

side I also asked them who believes

that the person next door has the

ability to respect the law

curiously this I did not expect

they ended up saying that they believe that the

next door is better able to respect the law

that oneself

I honestly do not know how to explain this

how to interpret that result is you

I can say that you trust a lot

in others but maybe they do not trust

much in oneself and I think that that is

maybe I should change but good

At least I’m glad to know that there is

there are trust networks here that

exceeds in the individual and I think that

just the invitation then

would be for you to take that leap to

emptiness gets involved in public life

and recover that space that belongs to everyone

thank you very much

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