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[Music]

[Music] when I was very young when I was about I

when I was very young when I was about I

when I was very young when I was about I think all the way up to the age of five

think all the way up to the age of five

think all the way up to the age of five I remember being very confused at school

I remember being very confused at school

I remember being very confused at school because basically the way we were taught

because basically the way we were taught

because basically the way we were taught at school in in Rochester and Kent in

at school in in Rochester and Kent in

at school in in Rochester and Kent in England was we were taught everything by

England was we were taught everything by

England was we were taught everything by repetition you know with its nursery

repetition you know with its nursery

repetition you know with its nursery rhymes or whatever we were doing but

rhymes or whatever we were doing but

rhymes or whatever we were doing but also mathematics

also mathematics

also mathematics I remember the incredible low point of

I remember the incredible low point of

I remember the incredible low point of my life when I was five was being told

my life when I was five was being told

my life when I was five was being told to repeat over and over 1 times 1 is 1

to repeat over and over 1 times 1 is 1

to repeat over and over 1 times 1 is 1 seem pretty pointless exercise to me and

seem pretty pointless exercise to me and

seem pretty pointless exercise to me and actually my mum and dad were really into

actually my mum and dad were really into

actually my mum and dad were really into being quite playful with maths and I

being quite playful with maths and I

being quite playful with maths and I know in India this Vedic maths and it’s

know in India this Vedic maths and it’s

know in India this Vedic maths and it’s the abacus system and I was always very

the abacus system and I was always very

the abacus system and I was always very playful with maths I thought of maths in

playful with maths I thought of maths in

playful with maths I thought of maths in a very fluid way and my mum and dad knew

a very fluid way and my mum and dad knew

a very fluid way and my mum and dad knew Vedic maths as well and and so I was

Vedic maths as well and and so I was

Vedic maths as well and and so I was kind of really interested in the idea of

kind of really interested in the idea of

kind of really interested in the idea of being I suppose more inventive with the

being I suppose more inventive with the

being I suppose more inventive with the way I kind of did times tables and I

way I kind of did times tables and I

way I kind of did times tables and I remember going around talking to other

remember going around talking to other

remember going around talking to other kids and try to get them to learn

kids and try to get them to learn

kids and try to get them to learn different ways of multiplying numbers

different ways of multiplying numbers

different ways of multiplying numbers together and for example I don’t know

together and for example I don’t know

together and for example I don’t know how many of you can do your times tables

how many of you can do your times tables

how many of you can do your times tables up to say just 30 in your head

up to say just 30 in your head

up to say just 30 in your head can it stick your hands up if you can do

can it stick your hands up if you can do

can it stick your hands up if you can do your times tables up to 30 in your head

your times tables up to 30 in your head

your times tables up to 30 in your head okay so not many of you so if I can I

okay so not many of you so if I can I

okay so not many of you so if I can I can teach you how to do that right now

can teach you how to do that right now

can teach you how to do that right now in fact very quickly so let’s let’s do

in fact very quickly so let’s let’s do

in fact very quickly so let’s let’s do it so you’ve got em now if you don’t

it so you’ve got em now if you don’t

it so you’ve got em now if you don’t follow me I’m gonna go pretty fast but

follow me I’m gonna go pretty fast but

follow me I’m gonna go pretty fast but if you don’t follow me play it back so

if you don’t follow me play it back so

if you don’t follow me play it back so okay so we’ve got two numbers we’ve got

okay so we’ve got two numbers we’ve got

okay so we’ve got two numbers we’ve got 18 and we’ve got 14 you take the fall of

18 and we’ve got 14 you take the fall of

18 and we’ve got 14 you take the fall of the smaller of the two numbers take the

the smaller of the two numbers take the

the smaller of the two numbers take the four add it to the 18 gives you 20 to

four add it to the 18 gives you 20 to

four add it to the 18 gives you 20 to put a zero at the end gives you 220 take

put a zero at the end gives you 220 take

put a zero at the end gives you 220 take the two unit numbers multiply them

the two unit numbers multiply them

the two unit numbers multiply them together 4 times 8 is 32 you got you add

together 4 times 8 is 32 you got you add

together 4 times 8 is 32 you got you add them together to it so it’s 2 through 32

them together to it so it’s 2 through 32

them together to it so it’s 2 through 32 plus 220 gives you 2 5 2 that’s the

plus 220 gives you 2 5 2 that’s the

plus 220 gives you 2 5 2 that’s the answer

answer

answer 18 times 14 is 2 5 2 if you do it now

18 times 14 is 2 5 2 if you do it now

18 times 14 is 2 5 2 if you do it now with two numbers in their 20s we’ll do

with two numbers in their 20s we’ll do

with two numbers in their 20s we’ll do 22 times 23 again take the unit number

22 times 23 again take the unit number

22 times 23 again take the unit number the smaller the to 2 times a 2 plus 23

the smaller the to 2 times a 2 plus 23

the smaller the to 2 times a 2 plus 23 add it onto the larger number 2 plus 23

add it onto the larger number 2 plus 23

add it onto the larger number 2 plus 23 is 25 you

is 25 you

is 25 you public this time it’s the first stage

public this time it’s the first stage

public this time it’s the first stage and it’s in its 20s so you double it so

and it’s in its 20s so you double it so

and it’s in its 20s so you double it so 25 times 2 is 50 but 0 at the end you’ve

25 times 2 is 50 but 0 at the end you’ve

25 times 2 is 50 but 0 at the end you’ve got 500 take the 2 and the 3 multiply

got 500 take the 2 and the 3 multiply

got 500 take the 2 and the 3 multiply them together and you got 6 and you end

them together and you got 6 and you end

them together and you got 6 and you end up with 506 when you add them together

up with 506 when you add them together

up with 506 when you add them together so 22 times 23 is 506 so that’s how you

so 22 times 23 is 506 so that’s how you

so 22 times 23 is 506 so that’s how you do it all the way up to tight Oh 30

do it all the way up to tight Oh 30

do it all the way up to tight Oh 30 times tables and so it’s actually about

times tables and so it’s actually about

times tables and so it’s actually about just being creative and not just simply

just being creative and not just simply

just being creative and not just simply being repetitive with things I felt the

being repetitive with things I felt the

being repetitive with things I felt the same way about music as well because

same way about music as well because

same way about music as well because we’re Western classical music and I was

we’re Western classical music and I was

we’re Western classical music and I was trained on the piano since a very young

trained on the piano since a very young

trained on the piano since a very young age and and I remember thinking well I

age and and I remember thinking well I

age and and I remember thinking well I don’t just want to be stuck to the page

don’t just want to be stuck to the page

don’t just want to be stuck to the page the whole time I don’t just want to be

the whole time I don’t just want to be

the whole time I don’t just want to be reading sheet music and I remember

reading sheet music and I remember

reading sheet music and I remember thinking that through my whole life I

thinking that through my whole life I

thinking that through my whole life I was a jazz musician I played lots of

was a jazz musician I played lots of

was a jazz musician I played lots of different things I got into in classical

different things I got into in classical

different things I got into in classical music listening to that lot and

music listening to that lot and

music listening to that lot and listening to different ways in which

listening to different ways in which

listening to different ways in which people improvised and and I remember

people improvised and and I remember

people improvised and and I remember when I was working on a video game a few

when I was working on a video game a few

when I was working on a video game a few years ago I was working on a game called

years ago I was working on a game called

years ago I was working on a game called heavenly sword and on that in that video

heavenly sword and on that in that video

heavenly sword and on that in that video game what happened was that I actually

game what happened was that I actually

game what happened was that I actually got them I got the orchestra to play an

got them I got the orchestra to play an

got them I got the orchestra to play an Indian classical pattern and North

Indian classical pattern and North

Indian classical pattern and North Indian classical pattern oh I just don’t

Indian classical pattern oh I just don’t

Indian classical pattern oh I just don’t know it’s a diamond something soft hands

know it’s a diamond something soft hands

know it’s a diamond something soft hands to be okay right so so this Indian

to be okay right so so this Indian

to be okay right so so this Indian classical pattern is the seven beat

classical pattern is the seven beat

classical pattern is the seven beat cycle and you might know is real book

cycle and you might know is real book

cycle and you might know is real book and it’s actually a Hindustani pattern

and it’s actually a Hindustani pattern

and it’s actually a Hindustani pattern but I had it in 7/4 time and they

but I had it in 7/4 time and they

but I had it in 7/4 time and they weren’t getting the groove of it in the

weren’t getting the groove of it in the

weren’t getting the groove of it in the way they were playing so I just kind of

way they were playing so I just kind of

way they were playing so I just kind of went up and helped them to do that just

went up and helped them to do that just

went up and helped them to do that just by explaining to the orchestra

by explaining to the orchestra

by explaining to the orchestra in combat situations the music tends to

in combat situations the music tends to

in combat situations the music tends to be quite epic and has a lot of how to it

there’s parts which involving in

there’s parts which involving in classical music sometimes Western

classical music sometimes Western

classical music sometimes Western classical orchestras are not so used to

classical orchestras are not so used to

classical orchestras are not so used to music that’s completely rhythmically

music that’s completely rhythmically

music that’s completely rhythmically based you have to really get into

based you have to really get into

based you have to really get into thinking beyond what is just written is

thinking beyond what is just written is

thinking beyond what is just written is from a Hindi classical times rolling I

from a Hindi classical times rolling I

from a Hindi classical times rolling I [Music]

[Music]

[Music] think definitely the music has a sense

think definitely the music has a sense

think definitely the music has a sense of excitement to it and an energy that

of excitement to it and an energy that

of excitement to it and an energy that infuses it with a sense of momentum so

infuses it with a sense of momentum so

infuses it with a sense of momentum so that’s really what I was after

that’s really what I was after

that’s really what I was after to me now PlayStation 3 and heavenly saw

to me now PlayStation 3 and heavenly saw

to me now PlayStation 3 and heavenly saw that kind of reproduce something that is

that kind of reproduce something that is

that kind of reproduce something that is more like an interactive film you know I

more like an interactive film you know I

more like an interactive film you know I never really thought it could get to

never really thought it could get to

never really thought it could get to this level it’s a very modern example of

this level it’s a very modern example of

this level it’s a very modern example of something I’ve written for for an

something I’ve written for for an

something I’ve written for for an orchestra but um thank you a much older

orchestra but um thank you a much older

orchestra but um thank you a much older film that I worked on was a film called

film that I worked on was a film called

film that I worked on was a film called The Lodger which is actually an old film

The Lodger which is actually an old film

The Lodger which is actually an old film an old black-and-white film from 1927

an old black-and-white film from 1927

an old black-and-white film from 1927 which was directed by Alfred Hitchcock

which was directed by Alfred Hitchcock

which was directed by Alfred Hitchcock and it’s one of his very early movies

and it’s one of his very early movies

and it’s one of his very early movies and I had to conduct with London

and I had to conduct with London

and I had to conduct with London Symphony Orchestra at the Barbican for

Symphony Orchestra at the Barbican for

Symphony Orchestra at the Barbican for this film and originally when they

this film and originally when they

this film and originally when they mechanically render the film when they

mechanically render the film when they

mechanically render the film when they print the film they do it they do it by

print the film they do it they do it by

print the film they do it they do it by hand it’s and so every single time they

hand it’s and so every single time they

hand it’s and so every single time they print a copy of the film it would change

print a copy of the film it would change

print a copy of the film it would change in terms of its length so the first time

in terms of its length so the first time

in terms of its length so the first time I actually compose the music for the

I actually compose the music for the

I actually compose the music for the film I had all the deceleration and the

film I had all the deceleration and the

film I had all the deceleration and the acceleration of the different tempo

acceleration of the different tempo

acceleration of the different tempo moments for different scenes and then

moments for different scenes and then

moments for different scenes and then all of that had shifted round because

all of that had shifted round because

all of that had shifted round because when it was a much shorter film or a

when it was a much shorter film or a

when it was a much shorter film or a much longer film I had to change all of

much longer film I had to change all of

much longer film I had to change all of that and it was uneven as well so I had

that and it was uneven as well so I had

that and it was uneven as well so I had to use calculus in order to actually get

to use calculus in order to actually get

to use calculus in order to actually get everything to work and one scene I use

everything to work and one scene I use

everything to work and one scene I use calculus on in order to get the scene to

calculus on in order to get the scene to

calculus on in order to get the scene to work fluidly calculus you might know is

work fluidly calculus you might know is

work fluidly calculus you might know is the study of how curves the area of

the study of how curves the area of

the study of how curves the area of curves and also with integration and

curves and also with integration and

curves and also with integration and differentiation is about the

differentiation is about the

differentiation is about the instantaneous rate of change on any

instantaneous rate of change on any

instantaneous rate of change on any given moment on the curb so all of that

given moment on the curb so all of that

given moment on the curb so all of that was very helpful in the way I approached

was very helpful in the way I approached

was very helpful in the way I approached the music for this next scene but

the music for this next scene but

the music for this next scene but strangely enough it’s it’s actually a

strangely enough it’s it’s actually a

strangely enough it’s it’s actually a love scene and and in this scene it

love scene and and in this scene it

love scene and and in this scene it needs a certain type of emotion so it’s

needs a certain type of emotion so it’s

needs a certain type of emotion so it’s interesting that mathematics was what

interesting that mathematics was what

interesting that mathematics was what gave it its emotion in the end

gave it its emotion in the end

gave it its emotion in the end [Music]

[Music]

[Music] you

[Music]

[Music] so and so that’s one example of thank

so and so that’s one example of thank

so and so that’s one example of thank you

you

you now with this next with another

now with this next with another

now with this next with another production I I scored the music for it

production I I scored the music for it

production I I scored the music for it was I was very excited by mathematician

was I was very excited by mathematician

was I was very excited by mathematician Indian mathematician Titian called

Indian mathematician Titian called

Indian mathematician Titian called Srinivasan ram anujan who actually was

Srinivasan ram anujan who actually was

Srinivasan ram anujan who actually was part of the Bengali Renaissance way way

part of the Bengali Renaissance way way

part of the Bengali Renaissance way way back in the early part of the 20th

back in the early part of the 20th

back in the early part of the 20th century and he was behind a lot of the

century and he was behind a lot of the

century and he was behind a lot of the thinking of string theory and this is a

thinking of string theory and this is a

thinking of string theory and this is a man who was very playful with

man who was very playful with

man who was very playful with mathematics and in a way his mathematics

mathematics and in a way his mathematics

mathematics and in a way his mathematics actually inspired the art of the theatre

actually inspired the art of the theatre

actually inspired the art of the theatre the production that I actually scored

the production that I actually scored

the production that I actually scored was called a disappearing number and I

was called a disappearing number and I

was called a disappearing number and I think also there’s a film about him so

think also there’s a film about him so

think also there’s a film about him so it’s interesting his work as a

it’s interesting his work as a

it’s interesting his work as a mathematician inspired art but with them

mathematician inspired art but with them

mathematician inspired art but with them with the next person I’m going to talk

with the next person I’m going to talk

with the next person I’m going to talk about Akram Khan who’s somebody I’ve

about Akram Khan who’s somebody I’ve

about Akram Khan who’s somebody I’ve worked with a great deal over time

worked with a great deal over time

worked with a great deal over time he’s a cup of dancer and he’s somebody

he’s a cup of dancer and he’s somebody

he’s a cup of dancer and he’s somebody who uses arts to inspire mathematics so

who uses arts to inspire mathematics so

who uses arts to inspire mathematics so he uses the thinking of mathematics in

he uses the thinking of mathematics in

he uses the thinking of mathematics in the way he expresses his self himself as

the way he expresses his self himself as

the way he expresses his self himself as a dancer and it’s very interesting

a dancer and it’s very interesting

a dancer and it’s very interesting because I did a production with him at

because I did a production with him at

because I did a production with him at the Sadler’s Wells Theatre which is

the Sadler’s Wells Theatre which is

the Sadler’s Wells Theatre which is called confluence so this is you’ll see

called confluence so this is you’ll see

called confluence so this is you’ll see various images of when we were actually

various images of when we were actually

various images of when we were actually doing confidence together and this has

doing confidence together and this has

doing confidence together and this has been playful on stage and basically we

been playful on stage and basically we

been playful on stage and basically we had some musicians behind us and we were

had some musicians behind us and we were

had some musicians behind us and we were just going through different ideas and

just going through different ideas and

just going through different ideas and trying out different kind of ways of

trying out different kind of ways of

trying out different kind of ways of looking at not only music and maths and

looking at not only music and maths and

looking at not only music and maths and dance and the ways they work together by

dance and the ways they work together by

dance and the ways they work together by actually just celebrating our whole time

actually just celebrating our whole time

actually just celebrating our whole time of of working together as two artists

of of working together as two artists

of of working together as two artists and one of the musicians who was working

and one of the musicians who was working

and one of the musicians who was working with us at the time was the person to my

with us at the time was the person to my

with us at the time was the person to my left which is Nicky wells so give a warm

left which is Nicky wells so give a warm

left which is Nicky wells so give a warm welcome and one of the pieces we did on

welcome and one of the pieces we did on

welcome and one of the pieces we did on stage and actually Nicky and I have done

stage and actually Nicky and I have done

stage and actually Nicky and I have done this many times but we’ve lasted it

this many times but we’ve lasted it

this many times but we’ve lasted it together at the Large Hadron Collider at

together at the Large Hadron Collider at

together at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN for another TEDx talk we did a

CERN for another TEDx talk we did a

CERN for another TEDx talk we did a couple of years ago but but this is

couple of years ago but but this is

couple of years ago but but this is based on a pattern

based on a pattern

based on a pattern originally from beardy maharaj he was a

originally from beardy maharaj he was a

originally from beardy maharaj he was a very famous catholic dancer and the

very famous catholic dancer and the

very famous catholic dancer and the first part of it is from him and the

first part of it is from him and the

first part of it is from him and the rest of it is something that I created

rest of it is something that I created

rest of it is something that I created as a kind of converse

as a kind of converse

as a kind of converse station in mathematics using

station in mathematics using

station in mathematics using combinations of table balls and also

combinations of table balls and also

combinations of table balls and also also balls from Kathak and all kinds of

also balls from Kathak and all kinds of

also balls from Kathak and all kinds of different things by using the

different things by using the

different things by using the mathematics of different forms so we’re

mathematics of different forms so we’re

mathematics of different forms so we’re going to do that now it thought pinch

going to do that now it thought pinch

going to do that now it thought pinch our API key 13 13 13 13 13 – check sake

our API key 13 13 13 13 13 – check sake

our API key 13 13 13 13 13 – check sake that I don’t change a bunch so tricky

that I don’t change a bunch so tricky

that I don’t change a bunch so tricky today my cousin Jeff – Nikita turkey la

today my cousin Jeff – Nikita turkey la

today my cousin Jeff – Nikita turkey la da da da da da de Jim back at acuña

da da da da da de Jim back at acuña

da da da da da de Jim back at acuña back in the back the gym back at the

back in the back the gym back at the

back in the back the gym back at the kitchen like a pack of the pack to do

kitchen like a pack of the pack to do

kitchen like a pack of the pack to do back Jim connects the next Jim taka

back Jim connects the next Jim taka

back Jim connects the next Jim taka tikka Jim the context detect June they

tikka Jim the context detect June they

tikka Jim the context detect June they take it as a context the texted on Jim

take it as a context the texted on Jim

take it as a context the texted on Jim dedicate a get it in the deck at the

dedicate a get it in the deck at the

dedicate a get it in the deck at the back of the table diggin it back it’s

back of the table diggin it back it’s

back of the table diggin it back it’s like a detective da da da da da da

like a detective da da da da da da

dedicated a cadet steady good thanks

dedicated a cadet steady good thanks dedicated back of that very good mom

dedicated back of that very good mom

dedicated back of that very good mom dedicated a very good bar better get to

dedicated a very good bar better get to

dedicated a very good bar better get to that thanks though look at that look at

that thanks though look at that look at

that thanks though look at that look at that yeah that’s very good it I don’t

that yeah that’s very good it I don’t

that yeah that’s very good it I don’t get it I bet it gets very good advice

get it I bet it gets very good advice

get it I bet it gets very good advice anybody could double tuck it in logic

anybody could double tuck it in logic

anybody could double tuck it in logic it’s not back at the bar bigoted our

it’s not back at the bar bigoted our

it’s not back at the bar bigoted our second job in a bit

second job in a bit

second job in a bit Thank You else just to play you out this

Thank You else just to play you out this

Thank You else just to play you out this is a piece that I wrote quite long time

is a piece that I wrote quite long time

is a piece that I wrote quite long time ago which is which is just based on pure

ago which is which is just based on pure

ago which is which is just based on pure knowledge I guess and it’s kind of

knowledge I guess and it’s kind of

knowledge I guess and it’s kind of really about celebrating knowledge as

really about celebrating knowledge as

really about celebrating knowledge as opposed to and and and celebrating the

opposed to and and and celebrating the

opposed to and and and celebrating the fluidity of knowledge and I guess that’s

fluidity of knowledge and I guess that’s

fluidity of knowledge and I guess that’s what I’ve been getting at is the idea

what I’ve been getting at is the idea

what I’ve been getting at is the idea that I think all not it should be fluid

that I think all not it should be fluid

that I think all not it should be fluid you should be quite flexible in the way

you should be quite flexible in the way

you should be quite flexible in the way you approach science as well as music or

you approach science as well as music or

you approach science as well as music or any art form and it’s about being

any art form and it’s about being

any art form and it’s about being creative and constantly looking for ways

creative and constantly looking for ways

creative and constantly looking for ways to play it be playful as well and I

to play it be playful as well and I

to play it be playful as well and I think that’s very important so this this

think that’s very important so this this

think that’s very important so this this piece is is called Vidya

piece is is called Vidya

piece is is called Vidya it’s just about pure knowledge

[Music]

[Music] thank you thank you much

thank you thank you much

thank you thank you much [Applause]

Oh

Oh [Applause]

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